4/11    Going to San Diego for 2-3 days with my gf, what are some things
        we *must* do there?
        \_ sea kayak  -tom
           \_ op, don't get too far away from the crowd.  i attended a wake
              a couple years ago for a 20-something engineer whose kayak
              overturned and didn't get help for a few hours and died from
              hypothermia.  kayak drifted away, 1 survivor.  channel islands.
              \_ That is horrible! I'd hate to be the engineer who debugs
                 a deadman's code. That's horrible.
        \_ Visit San Diego Zoo
           \_ Seconded. It is one of the best zoos in the world. --erikred
           \_ I actually live in San Diego and found it very overrated and
               just thought it was"ok", about the same as Sacramento's (where
               just thought it was "ok", about the same as Sacramento's (where
               I'm originally from).  The Wild Animal Park is much better and a
               different experience, best described as a Zoo w/o cages.  Also be
               sure to check out La Jolla Cove, La Jolla Cliffs (Glider Port),
               Coronado Island/ Beach (always ranked in the top 10 US)
               \_ San Diego and Sacramento Zoo similar? Are you crazy? I
                  agree to go to the Wild Animal Park, though - especially
                  if they still have the 'safaris' where you can drive up
                  to the animals with a guide and help feed them. The park
                  the SD Zoo is in is very nice and worth spending time
                  in. It contains some museums, too, including an aircraft
                  museum, a natural history museum, and an art museum.
               \_ SD Zoo is much nicer than any zoo I've ever been to, and
                  it has the nicest Koala exhibit. I also agree that the
                  Wild Animal Park is very good as well. If you can only
                  choose one thing, I would go to the Zoo. If you have been
                  to the Zoo before, I would go to the Wild Animal Park.
               \_ Although I disagree with your assessment of the SD Zoo, I
                  wholeheartedly agree with you about the Wild Animal Park.
                  It's in Escondido, though, which makes it a bit of a slog
                  from SD downtown. Well worth it, if you can make it. --e.red
        \_ I lived in San Diego for 2 years and I can honestly say that there
           are no *must* do things there. But Balboa Park is quite nice,
           the beaches are all great, especially La Jolla Cove and there is
           a pleasant walkable downtown. -ausman
        \_ Legoland.

4/11    Judge approves racism in enrollment:
        http://www.csua.org/u/igd (SFGate)
        \_ double plus good

4/12    "Bill Gates eyes flight to space: cosmonaut"
        http://www.csua.org/u/igl (Yahoo! News)
        Gates: I'll pay you ten times for the trip if you'll switch your flight
                computers to run Windows.
        Russian Space Agency: Well, did I mention that our trip is a round
                trip?

4/12    The Bush Administration's amazing propensity for "losing" important
        documents:
        http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/04/12/lost_documents/index.html

4/12    Do you want to play dirty politics? Do you want to waste McCain
        and Romney's money? Go to the link below and click on their ads.
        Forward this message to all of your friends now!
        http://www.google.com/search?q=mccain
        http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=mccain
        \_ This post makes me remember how much adblocker r0x0rz
        \_ So you're a Giuliani man?
        \_ Gosh, how about we just let each candidate from whatever party do
           their best to get their message out and let the voters decide who
           should be President?  Do you slice car tires of get out the vote
           vans, too?
           \_ That's the job for the Critical Mass folks.
              \_ Yeah, but the people in the vans looked at them a little
                 funny, so they deserved it.
                 \_ No, they drove a VAN so they deserved it.
                    \_ They drove a van INTO a bicyclist, you keep forgetting
                       that part.
                       \_ Those five girls giggled and asked what those tiny
                          bulges in the front of those cyclists' tight pants
                          were, so they deserved it.
                       \_ No they didn't.

4/12    http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/11/cooper.transcript/index.html
        I knew it! Duke players innocent. This will teach colored people
        a lesson that you can't use the race card all the time.
                                        -someone pissed about oj's trial
        \_ Uhm, yeah whatever.  It was pretty clear the prosecution's case
           was flawed in the first few months.  Your last line about 'teaching'
           people is weak trolling.  Try again some other time.  Or just don't.
        \_ O.J. Simpson vs. Scott Peterson.

4/12    Are Matt and Trey gay? Season 10 and 11 show waaaaay too much
        explicit gay sex in South Park (both with Mr. Garrison) and I
        no longer find the show enjoyable to watch. Maybe I'm just
        getting old.
        \_ South park hasn't been worth watching since around season 3.
           \_ The Tom Cruise in the closet episode and the death of chef
              thoroughly redeemed the series for me. -!op
           \_ South Park is still very worth watching. The first few
              minutes of "With Apologies to Jesse Jackson" was the
              funniest thing on TV all year.

4/12    WTO: China overtakes U.S. in exports
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_bi_ge/wto_china
        "Oh, we are just a developing country.  Really."
        \_ If you ever went to China and saw what a shithole it was you'd
           see that it's closer to Third World. I hope they begin to
           develop their own country.
           \_ I agree.  Once you go outside Shanghai it's a third world
              police state.  And Beijing has unpaved alleys right off the
              main streets where people are living in squalor that reminds
              me of the concrete bunker and dirt floor huts outside of
              Cancun on the way to Chichen Itza.
        \_ How did Germany beat the US?  All the BMWs, Mercedes's and Porsches
           did the trick?
           \_ Everything we export gets reverse engineered and/or copied by the
              Chinese
              \_ The Chinese don't do the same to German products?
                 \_ Apparently David Hasselhoff music doesn't sell as well
                    outside of Germany.

4/12    Give the man a hand!
        http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070412/ids_photos_wl/r1292165505.jpg;_ylt=Ah6mXO4MbXEEnv0GL8CMvaMDW7oF

4/12    Anyone have a link to video of Olbermann becoming the next McCarthy?
        Or Sharpton doing the same?
        \_ Please give context, troll, thanks.
           \_ Last night on Olbermann, he called for Imus, Limbaugh, Savage,
              and others to be pulled off the air.
              \_ That's unfortunate.  Looks like Imus is gone.  I'd
                 simply not to choose to buy any product ever advertised
                 on Savage's show.  What a cesspit.  I don't listen to
                 Savage though (anymore).  I don't know how anyone can
                 put up with it.  It's a giant daily shower of insults,
                 rage, racism, hate and bile.  I really hope no one
                 I know listens to that and can identify with it.
        \_ Wow, Olbermann is a senator with the power of the legistlative
           branch behind him?  When did that happen?
           \_ You know that McCarthy was in the house, right?
              \- Uh no. Maybe you are confused beacuse of HUAC, or
                 possibly because your brain is small.
              \_ You know you're an idiot, right?
              \_ Is Olbermann a member of Congress?
        \_ How many conservatives have called for liberals to be rounded up
           and put in camps?
        \_ I love seeing people defend Imus.  You look stupid either way.
           Do you think Imus hired a writer/foil/cohort just to make
           nigger jokes?  Look it up.

4/12    Give the man a hand!
        http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070412/ids_photos_wl/r1292165505.jpg
        \_ That guy's lucky he was in Taiwan and not the mainland.

4/12    Free advice to the Bush Administration: Turn whatever machine you have
        for passing on talking points toward getting your people to stop f-ing
        up, at least for a while; there are too many fish in the shooting
        bucket already:
        http://news.google.com/?ncl=1115102767&hl=en (Wolfowitz, girlfriend)
        \- FT call on Wolfowitz to resign. Let's hope others chime in.
           \- meanwhile, back at the DoJ:
              http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1610738,00.html
              (although these guys were never the biggest fans of ALBERTO.
              although i cant imagine they are going to get somebody hugely
              more appealing now, unless it is a senator)

4/12    Bill McKibben, who is the sponsor of this Saturday's grass-roots
        environmental action (http://stepitup2007.org--check it out and
        participate) has a fascinating article on the subject (touched on
        below) of the fallacious equation of economic prosperity and happiness,
        the reasons we have become conditioned to equate those two, and some
        new ways to think about how to measure success.
    http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/03/reversal_of_fortune.html
          -tom

4/12    The high urban density vs. suburbia flight discussion below promtps
        for a new poll. Do you *personally* prefer the following and why:
        urban living: ..
        \_ I value intellectual stimulation, convenience and the safety
           of my children. Children are much more likely to be killed
           in the suburbs, due to traffic accidents.
        suburban living: ..
        \_ I value having freedom, open space, and safety
        \_ I value not having to see bums defacating in alleys.
           \_ Clearly, suburbs are better for kids. If you raise your kids
              in the city they risk running into drug dealers, homeless,
              weirdos, and gays. I wouldn't want my kids to turn gay or
              become bi-curious.
              \_ if this is not satire, it's incredibly stupid.

4/12    Good vs. Evil Foos Ball:
        http://www.notcot.com/archives/2007/04/good_vs_evil_fo.php
        \_ I want a conservative vs. liberal foos ball. On one side
           you have GWB, Cheney, Sam Walton, Kenneth Lay, etc. On the
           other side, you have Saddam, Kim Jung the Second, hippies,
           gays & lesbians, etc.
        \_ Evil will always triump over good because good is dumb!

4/11    BYU students protest...Cheney?
        http://urltea.com/57v (nytimes.com)
        \_ You know you may have gone too far when even the people you can
           count on want nothing to do with you.

4/12    tom took psb quickly and bravely. the pain made him cry out and writhe in
        shock, but he held him hard against him and in great love compelled
        him to endure it

4/12    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/world/middleeast/13iraq.html
        "a policeman opening the passenger door of the truck, seeing a mass of
        wires and batteries, and running away.  Ten minutes later the bomb
        exploded, so powerfully that it killed six people some distance away,
        sent several cars careening into the river and destroyed 65 percent to
        75 percent of the steel structure."
        \_ That policeman should be put in jail.
           \_ Was he on the bomb squad? If not, probably not.