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Security screeners at Denver Int'l miss 90 PERECENT of simulated
weapons that undercover agents brought into the airport.
\_ They should just have taser guns next to every seat on the plane.
The crowd could then overpower any likely number of terrorists.
A well armed society is a safe society.
\_ My heart tells me you're sarcastic, or trolling, but sadly
my head tells me that there are many that really think this
way.
\_ Why are you sad about people thinking this way? -emarkp
\_ The idea that a "tazer on every seat" would promote the
general welfare is a sad one.
\_ You're repeating yourself. Why is it a sad idea?
-emarkp
\_ It makes me sad. I don't have to explain myself.
Do you think it's a GOOD idea? I wasn't trying
to reason about weather arming every passenger
to reason about whether arming every passenger
on an airplane is a good idea.
\_ Of course you don't /have/ to repeat yourself, I
was simply asking you to. Just because you feel
sad about something doesn't mean the sadness is
justified or should have any impact on public
discourse. I was just trying to figure out why
you're sad. -emarkp
\_ That we live in a society where people are
sufficiently frightened and alienated from
one another that they consider being armed
and (likely) a danger to themselves and
others a better outcome than the vanishingly
small chance that their plane might be
highjacked. You don't have to agree with
this, of course. Mmmkay?
\_ Why do you believe that people who are armed
are a danger to themselves and others?
-emarkp
\_ Jesus fucking christ. Why are either of
you taking this "arguement" seriously?
A taser next to every seat? Yeah, why
not guns on every lamppost, attached to
a chain to prevent theft while we're at
it? This isn't a debate about an armed
society, this is a debate about a
cartoon scenario. Allowing individual
passengers to carry weapons would be
a different thing entireley.
\_ Well, see, the tasers next to every
seat is well targetted towards a
particular situation: overpowering
terrorists or other maniacs on a
plane. Anyone using the tasers without
sufficient reason would be easily
identified and tasered themselves.
Having guns on every lamppost would
not work because a) lampposts are
too far apart b) they are deadly
c) they would be stolen d) their
use could not be easily monitored.
A plane flight is a contained
environment with identified people.
Honestly I did post the idea in jest,
but I'm also interested in a serious
treatment of it for argument's sake.
In an environment where weapons are
already introduced I do believe that
the "armed society" principle is true.
(And every society has weapons, even
if it's martial artists or knife users
or just large scary men with clubs.
\_ So we're, as a nation, up at the
top of violent crime rates etc
because there... aren't enough
weapons. We just haven't reached
the critical mass (no pun intended,
seriously)? Also, tasers aren't
deadly?
\_ They are "non lethal". As for
crime, I think violent people
are violent for reasons mostly
unrelated to firearm
availability.
You can't depend on the police to
protect you. Is this sad? Yeah but
it's the way of the world. Guns are
the most civilized form of combat.)
\_ Alright, I'll play along and just
attack the most obvious and least
potentially controversial aspect.
I fly very frequently, and I'd say
that about 10% of the time the
tray table is somehow broken. This
consists of a piece of plastic and
a hinge, and it's still not robust
enough for the beating stuff takes
on an airplane. What exciting
failure modes will we find in the
hundreds of poorly maintained tasers
sitting on a typical plane? How
many dumbass passengers will think
they're electric shavers and taser
themselves in the face? Or get
drunk and taser themselves in the
ass? Look, I support the right
of weapons-owners to own weapons,
but I think it's equally important
to support the right of non-weapons
owners to not own weapons. Me? I
train hard in hand to hand combat
six days a week and have a knife
fighting background, so if I see
a terrorist on the plane, I'll leap
into the aisle and try to kill him
immediately with his own boxcutter.
\_ It's the motd. Kick back, laugh,
enjoy. This is just a proxy for
the standard gun rights non-debate.
\_ Statistics.
\_ Freedom typically comes with a price.
But tell your argument to victims of
shootings who could have prevented the
shootings with a gun. Look at the
statistics that show that when
criminals believe the people around
them are armed, they're less likely to
commit violent crime. -emarkp
\_ yeah, if those Critical Mass
bicyclists had been armed, the
driver would have been less
likely to ram into them. They
were forced to use their bikes
to defend themselves! Guns for
all! -tom
\_ Actually, it was the cyclists
attacking the vehicle. The
lesson is, when you go to SF, be
sure to be armed. -emarkp
\_ Right, I'm sure the cyclists
just spontaneously decided
to attack. They're like
pit bulls that way. -tom
\_ From what I read, yes they
are. -emarkp
\_ from what you read,
you mean, the article
above where it says
the driver ran into
a cyclist and then
kept trying to drive
through the pack? -tom
\_ You mean the poor
out of town woman
surrounded by bikes
trying to get away
and out of the flow
of bikers madly
dashing through the
city violating
every safety and
traffic law on
the books? Yeah,
that one.
\_ Poor out of town
woman who ran
deliberately
ran into someone.
You forgot the
part where she
committed assault
with a deadly
weapon first.
\_ not first.
surrounded
hit her car
she moved
two get
out of
their way
\_ Horseshit.
Critical
Mass doesn't
hit cars
just for
existing.
-tom
\_ Are you gonna pay for the taser
training for every "air trafficker"
out of your very own pocket? That
would be awesome. My sister's been
a real bitch lately, and I don't
want to accidentally kill her.
\_ please. don't bring facts into
this.. let the sheeple liberals
bend over and take it up the
u know what.. they enjoy it
anyway
\_ What an insightful comment. |
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