Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2007:March:29 Thursday <Wednesday, Friday>
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2007/3/29-31 [Uncategorized] UID:46136 Activity:nil 66%like:46137
3/28    Altern8!
        \_ They're pretty rocking.  I did some googling and it seems like they
           broke up, but the YouTube dates suggest otherwise.  Any suggestions
           where I can find some of their albums? -dans
2007/3/29 [Uncategorized] UID:46137 Activity:nil 66%like:46136
3/28    Altern8!
2007/3/29-31 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:46138 Activity:moderate
3/28    Good thing the GOP has leaders like Tom DeLay:
        \_ I assume this is a "Tom DeLay is evul!" article.  Seriously, get
           over the whole "our guys are angels, your guys are the devil" thing.
           You've got land scammers, bribe takers, nation security document
           destroyers and various other assorted and sundry felons walking
           around free and in power in the majority party.  Few things are
           uglier than hypocrites.
           \_ Pot, kettle, black. Your "defence" for Tom DeLay's hatred and
           \_ Pot, Bongwater, Hash. Your "defence" for Tom DeLay's hatred and
              corruption is that Democrats do it too? I am actually an
              independent and despise (and actually do something about,
              which is probably more than you can say) corruption in
              both parties. You "assume"? You can't even be bothered to
              read the article, but you feel qualified to offer up your
              opinion on it? On second thought, this is actually pretty
              funny and emblematic of why the GOP is in such bad shape.
              \_ can we please stop the use of "Pot, kettle, black"?  It's
              \_ I don't defend Delay at all.  I point out hypocrisy.  If
                 DeLay is evuul, so be it, but to turn a blind eye to (D)
                 corruption or write it all off as 'not as bad' or to say
                 'charges haven't been filed so no problemo!' is painfully
                 and ridiculously intellectually dishonest.  And no, I can't
                 be bothered to read the article.  Tell me, was I wrong about
                 what was in it?
                 \_ You "pointed out hypocrisy" because I didn't condemn
                    both Democrats and Republicans in the same motd entry?
                    You are the hypocrite, padawan.
              \_ can we please stop the use of "Pot, Bongwater, Hash"?  It's
                 hackneyed, awkward, and stupid.  -tom
                 \_ Pot, kettle, black.
                 \_ Pot, Bongwater, Hash.
                    \_ Pot, Bongwater, Hash.
                       \_ Pot, Bongwater, Hash.
              \_ See, you're misunderstanding the post.  The pp didn't say he
                 was defending DeLay.  He said "stop attacking everyone on the
                 right while ignoring the corruption on the left".  Expose the
                 problems on the left as well. -emarkp
                 \_ Name a corruption problem on the left.  "Voter fraud"
                    will lose you -2 troll points.
                    \_ First of all, I have to ask, do you really thing there's
                       no corruption on the left.  Secondly, look up "William
                       Jefferson"--the guy caught with $90K in his fridge.
                       \_ 1. That guy was not a major leader of his party.
                             \_ so what?
                          2. There is always corruption, but there are levels.
                             \_ *cough* No!  There are no levels!  Your
                                office holders are corrupt or they're not.  If
                                they are corrupt they are undeserving of your
                                support and should get kicked out and
                                prosecuted.  No level of corruption is ok.
                                \_ You obviously have not thought about this
                                   too hard. Is Halliburton getting no bid
                                   contracts an example of corruption or not?
                                   How about companies giving big contributions
                                   to office holders and then lobbying them
                                   after they win office. Both of these are
                                   legal, but borderline cases of corruption.
                                   And not everyone is going to agree with
                                   your black and white definition of what
                                   corruption is, so you should stop trying
                                   to force your vision of it on the world,
                                   to force your vision of it on the motd,
                                   and accept that there are going to be
                                   grey areas in the real world.
                             The modern republican leadership has raised
                             the level of corruption to where something
                             like $90K is pocket change.  William Jefferson
                             is more like Cunningham, not like Delay.
                             \_ Stuffing raw hard cash in your fridge is the
                                most base form of corruption possible.  Even
                                if your 'relativist corruption' view point was
                                valid, it doesn't seem to bother you at all.
                          \_ So you're limiting corruption t leadership?  Okay,
                             then refer beck to the pp about Harry Reid and his
                             shady land deals.  Oh, and I agree that William
                             Jefferson is more like Cunningham.  So why is
                             Cunningham in jail and Jefferson isn't? -emarkp
                             \_ Um, time?  AFAIK, Jefferson has not been
                                charged with anything yet.  He maintains his
                                innocence and was recently reelected.  Now, I
                                personally would love to see him resign both
                                for the horrible appearance of impropriety, and
                                for the fact that his still being in the House
                                serves as a football for people like you who
                                want to say "Democrats do it too!" as cover for
                                the corrupt party you support.  But for now,
                                he is a duly elected representative of the
                                people of his district.  --scotsman
                                \_ The fact that months have gone by with no
                                   prosecution or charges while some shmuck
                                   like Libby is facing prison time for nothing
                                   is insane and the root of the problem.  His
                                   own party has not only not disowned him but
                                   put him on the DHS committee.  Sure makes me
                                   feel so much safer knowing he's only a few
                                   bucks away from screwing over the entire
                                   nations security to the best of his ability.
                                   \_ He asked to be on the DHS committee.  He
                                      has not been seated yet.  He may never
                                      be.  So just chill yourself.
                             \_ Someone had evidence on Cunningham, presented
                                such in court, and had him arrested; Jefferson
                                has been accused, and evidence has been alleged
                                but neither evidence nor charges have been
                                forthcoming. This is why C is in jail and J is
                                not. I agree that "cold hard cash" in his
                                fridge is fishy, but if he committed a crime,
                                charge him. --erikred
                                \_ Fishy?  It's only fishy?  If it was a (R)
                                   you'd be calling for his political death
                                   along with the rest of the left.  *shakes
                                   head* at thought of $90 in the fridge being
                                   merely 'fishy'.
                                \_ Forgot to mention, why the silence about
                                   Harry Reid's shady land deals? -emarkp
                                   \_ Is there an indictment?  Is there
                                      anything beyond allegations?  Are you
                                      going to bring up the boxing thing
                                      again?  How 'bout Vince Foster again?
                                      \- i shot vince foster, just to watch
                                         him die.
                                      \_ Caught with hand in cookie jar.  If
                                         he was a (R) you'd be calling him
                                         the worst sort of criminal.  Getting
                                         lawerly is the last sign of a lost
                                         \_ Cookie Jar?  Where?  Would you
                                            like to cite evidence, an
                                            investigation, anything?
                                \_ So why is congress in uproar about AG when
                                   they haven't said word one or done anything
                                   to investigate WJ?  They can police their
                                   own members. -emarkp
                                   \_ Politics and priorities, duh.
                                   \_ As noted by above response, for the same
                                      reason that RDC wasn't censured and
                                      ejected when the GOP ran Congress. I will
                                      certainly grant you that. But remember
                                      that uproar over the AG need not preclude
                                      investigation of WJ; these things are not
                                      mutually exclusive as though there were
                                      limited resources to investigate ethical
                                      violations. A lack of political will to
                                      pursue WJ until the charges are leveled
                                      has nothing to do with the investigation
                                      of whether the AG fired US Atys in order
                                      to punish them for not embarassing the
                                      opposition party. --erikred
                                      \_ The USAGs can be fired for any reason
                                         at all.  They are politically
                                         appointed positions.  How you can say
                                         their firing is worse than stuffing
                                         your fridge with hot cash is beyond
                                         my ability to understand.  $90k in
                                         your fridge is just fishy, though.
                                         WJ is not defensible yet you defend
                                         it.  The USAG firing were handled
                                         poorly but are in no way illegal, yet
                                         you find this outrageous.
                                         \_ Actually, what I find outrageous is
                                            the idea that the Admin was so
                                            blatant about firing these people
                                            for not launching fruitless and
                                            embarassing investigations of its
                                            political rivals. I find partisan
                                            use of the US Atys as your own
                                            Gestapo utterly outrageous, but
                                            I find the lack of circumspection
                                            and careful planning insulting.
                                            What they're saying is, we'll do
                                            what we like, and you'll shut up
                                            and take it. At least the Reagan
                                            White House went through the
                                            motions; these guys are strictly
                                            amateurs. As for WJ, unlike you,
                                            my capacity for outrage is not
                                            limited to the opp. party; if he's
                                            done wrong here, he's a scumbag,
                                            and he should be censured. I've
                                            got no problem with that. But at
                                            least show me some proof. Also,
                                            am I still talking to emarkp or
                                            just to some AC? --erikred
                                            \_ That swath of entries reeks of
                                               reiffin. --scotsman
                 \_ Since the Democrats have been out of power in Washington
                    for so long, there is probably not a lot at the national
                    level to expose. I have (literally) campaigned for more
                    oversight at the local level, where the politicians are
                    all Democrats. Believe me, there is plenty of Democratic
                    machine corruption in San Francisco, but at least
                    Newsome is doing someting about it finally.
                    Newsom is doing someting about it finally.
                    \_ Newsom is the benefactor of the SF political machine.
                       He was Willie Brown's boy.  I don't live in SF though so
                       I'm curious what he is doing to cut his own support?
                       \_ No, he is not really Willie's boy. Willie endorsed
                          him, but Gavin's "base" is in the Marina/Pac Heights
                          crowd, where Willie's was in Hunter's Point and
                          the Projects and the City's municipal unions. Newsom
                          fired the old corrupt Police Chief and Fire Chief
                          fired the old corrupt Police of Chief and Fire Chief
                          and replaced them with reasonably competent
                          technocrats, has upended the planning dept and
                          indicted a number of corrupt building inspectors,
                          and cleaned out the whole rat's nest of corruption
                          that surrounded placement in public housing.
                          I am sure there is more that I am unware of.
2007/3/29-31 [Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:46139 Activity:nil
3/28    David Brooks apparently hasn't read his Orwell - says the new
        Right-wing paradigm is "security leads to freedom"
        and Glenn Greenwald's response:
        \_ With or without the Orwellian tint, it's closer to the zeitgeist than
           the tax cuts/Prop 13 of the 80s.
2007/3/29-4/2 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Politics/Domestic, Computer/HW/CPU] UID:46140 Activity:nil
3/28    A kind reminder that CSUA stands for Computer Science Undergrad
        Association. It is not the Political Science [aka I hate Democrats
        and I hate Republicans] Undergrad Association.
        In other news AMD is releasing a new laptop chip! EXCITING!!!
        \_ that's chipset.  and CS students like to talk politics.
        \_ Piss off.
           \_ Well someone is pissy.  If this is representative, I think I
              know why I chose to hang out with CS types as opposed to
              poli-sci types. -dans
2007/3/29-4/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46141 Activity:nil
3/28    "Bush's long history of tilting Justice"
        by Joseph D. Rich, JOSEPH D. RICH was chief of the voting section in
        the Justice Department's civil right division from 1999 to 2005. He
        now works for the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.,0,3371050.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail
        \_ This man is a hypocrite because not even once did he mention
           Bill Clinton's c*ck.
2007/3/29-4/2 [Computer/SW/Virus] UID:46142 Activity:moderate
3/28    After almost a decade of not using windows I'm thinking about getting
        a cheap windows computer.  Security wise what are some musts?
        \_ install Linux
           \_ Haha you are still funny.
           \_ I actually agree w/ this. Install Linux and VMWare. Then
              install Windows under VMWare. Patch Windows and Apps.
              Make a copy of your VMWare HD. When your Windows gets
              a virus, spyware, &c. restore from backup. Not only
              can you start over w/o a virus, you get the added benefit
              of the Linux firewall.
              If you are buying Windows for gamez, then this won't
              work for you. I just don't connect my Windows game box
              to the internet, which keeps it virus/hack free.
              \_ There's a reason to own a windows box that doesn't
                 involve games?
                 \_ Photoshop? Acrobat? Not really sure, b/c I have
                    a mac for everything other than games.
              \_ On the subject of games, Parallels is apparently working
                 on 3D support for their OSX VM.  I'd imagine you'll see
                 something similar in VMware at some point, which would make
                 games more feasible.
              \_ If you're clueful enough to use VMWare you should be able
                 to restrain yourself from installing viruses and spyware.
                 Also you can easily image a clean install without VMWare.
                 \_ Really? Personally I feel that in Windows it is very
                    hard to control your system from infection. It just
                    seems like a very sealed off system to me.
        \_ A hardware firewall, and keep it patched.
        \_ I thought about the same thing, but I bought a new MacBook.
           Less hardware. SP2 firewall on (no exceptions) and NAV 2007.
                                                             \_ ?!?
                                                        Only if you want a 386
                        Norton AntiVirus 2007 is WAY lighter than 2006 _/
        \_ ZoneAlarm and a good virus scanner. I use the free one from
        \_ Keep it windowsupdated, run a software firewall (MS's is probably
           good enough) and probably run a free virus scanner. I recommend
  (it is free Kaspersky). A virus scanner
           is not needed if you never run anything strange. Use firefox and
           install adblock and noscript. Note that noscript can cause hassles
           sometimes if you don't understand how it works.
2007/3/29-4/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:46143 Activity:nil
3/29    John Dean on executive privilege and the "unitary executive" theory:
2007/3/29-4/2 [Uncategorized] UID:46144 Activity:nil
3/29    David Brooks - "Security leads to freedom."
        \_ For Isreal or the US?
2007/3/29-4/2 [Uncategorized] UID:46145 Activity:nil
3/29    Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader?
        \_ no .. but I am richer!
           \_ What a bitch, though she's kind of cute though.
2007/3/29-4/2 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:46146 Activity:nil
3/29    My analysis of the Iran UK hostage situation:
        Iran was conducting war games.  UK rubber boats were close to border
        but did not cross.  Iranian navy commander orders capture of UK guys
        because he had orders to detain observers.  Iran calculates UK/U.S.
        won't do shit -- good.  Iran calculates even if UK/U.S. do something,
        it will drive up oil prices -- good.  Any way you look at it, win/win
        for Iran.
        Predicted end game:  Prisoner swap.  UK rules of engagement revised.
        \_ The UK isn't holding any Iranians that we know of.  They also import
           40% of their gasoline, which is somewhat ironic being one of the
           world's largest oil exporters, so a simple blockade would devastate
           their economy.  Not so win/win for Iran if things turn ugly.
           Iran grabbed the hostages in retaliation for American attempt
           to snatch Iranian senior intelligence officials.
2007/3/29-4/2 [Uncategorized] UID:46147 Activity:nil
3/28    pine- "unable to read new mail!" error.. just started today.
        any thoughts?
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