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2007/3/12 [Recreation/Dating] UID:45932 Activity:high
3/12    Hey reiffin, why are you so fucking annoying? Why are you obsessed
        with big boob women?
        \_ If you saw his wife you'd understand.
        \_ I've never once posted a big boob women link or posted a reply to
           any of the big boob women links.  Why do you think I have?
        \_ reiffin is the "let's declare War on Iraq because Our Heroic Leader
           says there are WMD there" guy not "here is another chubby ugly
           teenager with big tata's" guy. You have them mixed up.
           \_ gosh, that was so eloquent, thanks for helping to clear that up
              in such an unbiased and thoughtful way.  i appreciate it.
2007/3/12-15 [Politics/Domestic] UID:45933 Activity:nil
3/12    So now that Halliburton is moving the Corporate HQ to Dubai, will
        they close their Iranian office? Why are they moving everything
        off-shore anyway, are they worried that the Democratic Congress
        will start investigating the war profiteering?
        \_ Maybe you should ask their newest big stockholder, George Soros
           http://csua.org/u/i7t
           \- from the daily show: "the long kiss dubai" ... heh. --psb
2007/3/12-15 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:45934 Activity:nil
3/12    Israel has recalled its ambassador to El Salvador after he was found
        drunk and naked apart from bondage gear. Reports say he was able to
        identify himself to police only after a rubber ball had been removed
        from his mouth.
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6441461.stm
        \_ Considering Isreali's participation in pornography, prostitution /
           sex slavery, and child pornography why is this any surprise?
2007/3/12-15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45935 Activity:kinda low
3/12    What do you all think of the people protesting outisde Pelosi's home?
        Go Team!  or  Abusive Invasion of privacy?  or something else?
        \_ are they protesting the person, or a role of their office. IMO,
           if it is the latter, Pelosi's home is an inappropriate place for
           a protest.
           \_ I believe they are protesting her lack of immediate substantive
              action to pull American troops out of Iraq full scale.
              \_ there's probly thousands of random citizans doing as  much
                 or less 'substanstive action' so unless they want to protest
                 at those peoples' homes too, it is still wrong.  If they're
                 protesting her lack of action in her political office, then
                 the Office is the proper protest site.
                 \_ So you don't think Crawford was the right place either?
        \_ Even though I agree with their cause, I think they are being
           counter-productive jerks.
           \_ Do you think they were counter productive jerks when they were
              in Crawford outside Bush's ranch?
              \_ Not really.  I think Bush throwing away decades of
                 my great country's army, money, good will and moral
                 authority down a giant rat hole for reasons I STILL
                 CANT FIGURE OUT is a big enough deal that I think Bush
                 can put up with a bunch of annoying people camped a mile
                 from his door.
                 \_ But you're ok with the same folks doing the same thing for
                    a while outside Pelosi's home?
              \_ If they camp out in front of his door and demand to speak to
                 him as he walks to his car, then yes, I think they're
                 counter-productive jerks.
                 well-intentioned counter-productive jerks.
                 \_ Thanks.  That's fair.
2007/3/12-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic] UID:45936 Activity:nil 80%like:45942
3/12    Pete Stark comes out of the theism closet
        http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
        \_ http://www.thegodmovie.com
2007/3/12 [Uncategorized] UID:45937 Activity:moderate 80%like:45943
3/12    Which day of the wek do you think is the least crowded day
        for Oakland walk in court?

[kerchunk]
2007/3/12-14 [Finance/Investment] UID:45938 Activity:kinda low
3/12    My iBook's time did not accomodate the time change, which seems
        weird since it gets the time from <DEAD>time.apple.com<DEAD>. How can I
        have it change automatically (i.e. not set it manually)? Thanks.
        \_ <DEAD>time.apple.com<DEAD> will only give you GMT. Your OS will still
        \_ http://tinyurl.com/3cckho will only give you GMT. Your OS will still
           need to adjust for the new DST.
        \_ Get the system update, your time zone files are screwed up.
                \_ Got it. Thanks. -op
2007/3/12-14 [Transportation/Car, Reference/Languages] UID:45939 Activity:low
3/12    What is the definitive pronunciation of Thermopylae?
        \_ see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopylae
        \_ The OED says ther-MAW-pih-lee or ther-MAW-pih-lie.
        \_ see http://tinyurl.com/3cckho
           \_ I did, but I'm not exactly fluent in IPA. -op
        \_ I was taught that the proper pronunciation was something
           like ther-mo-pee-lay or ther-ma-pee-lay.
2007/3/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:45940 Activity:nil
3/12    Cheney secretly converted to Shiite Islam decades ago.
        It's the only explanation for his efforts to destabilize
        Iraq.  When Iraq collapses Iran will dominate it politically,
        economically, and militarily.
        \_ The Tehranian Candidate!
        \_ God bless the Holy Dick.
2007/3/12-15 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:45941 Activity:nil
3/12    Full video of Channel 4's "The Global Warming Swindle"
        http://csua.org/u/i7v
        \_ The documentary was produced by Channel 4, not the BBC.
2007/3/12 [Uncategorized] UID:45942 Activity:nil 80%like:45936
3/12    Pete Stark comes out of the theism closet
        http://tinyurl.com/3cckho
        \_ http://tinyurl.com/3cckho
           \_ http://tinyurl.com/3cckho
2007/3/12-14 [Uncategorized] UID:45943 Activity:low 80%like:45937
3/12    Which day of the week do you think is the least crowded day
        for Oakland walk in court?
        \_ Thursday, probably later in the day.
        \_ Sunday. No one is there on Sunday.
2007/3/12-15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45944 Activity:high
3/12    Alberto Gonzales and Pete Domenici, buh-bye
        http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/012983.php
           \_ Hi there.  So I guess every administration fires
           \_ It's not just the firing, it's the (ab)use of the Patriot Act
              to replace the fired attorneys with Bush-cronies without
              Senate approval.  But of course, no one in our government
              ever abuses the Patriot Act!
        \_ Why isn't the attorney general's office busy rooting out
           corporate crime, fraud, criminal conspiracies, government
           contractor fraud?  Are they really that petty that they would
           devote a lot of time over firing a few federal prosecutors
           who weren't sufficiently anti-Democrat?  Maybe this is better
           than Ashcroft's obsession with prosecuting porn, but I'm not
           sure.  I like how they originally thought for a brief amount
           of time that they should fire EVERY SINGLE federal prosecutor
           and replace them with Bush friendly appointees.  See that
           last line again.  EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.  Funny stuff.
           \_ It's not just the firing, it's the (ab)use of the Patriot Act
              to replace the fired attorneys with Bush-cronies without
              Senate approval.  But of course, no one in our government
              ever abuses the Patriot Act!
        \_ Why not post a news article instead of some wonk's blog?
           \_ If you don't know who Josh Micah Marshall is, just say so.
              If you don't like his blog, read him in The Hill.
           \_ HERE. HAPPY?
              http://preview.tinyurl.com/yo9knb (news.yahoo.com)
           \_ I'm not the op, but what's wrong with posting a link to a blog?
              It's also worth noting that TPM isn't just some random blog, it
              has a readership that rivals some newspapers.  TPM is clearly a
              liberal source, but, last I checked, having a variety of
              viewpoints strengthens debate.  Why not post a link to a
              conservative source on the story?  I took a look on little
              green footballs but he doesn't appear to have a post about this.
              -dans
              \_ I actually just found the blog post hard to read.  He assumes
                 you've read his previous stuff.  That doesn't mean I want a
                 rightie blog.
                 \_ That's an interesting point. -dans
                    \_ Oh look, dans thinks something is interesting!
                       The motd isn't about what you think is interesting. -tom
                       \_ Yes, it's about tom being an asshole with NPD.
                          Well, that or people impersonating tom being an
                          asshole with NPD, which is equally amusing. -dans
                          \_ Sorry to interupt, but what's NPD?
                             \_ Narcissistic Personality Disorder -dans
                             \_ Narcissistic Personality Dansorder -dans
                                \_ It is pretty funny to watch you two
                                   arguing over who is the biggest jerk...
                                   \_ I serve at the pleasure of the motd.
                                      Also, I am recovering from NPD, which
                                      is why I am able to admit I have it
                                      unlike Tom and also why I would like to
                                      help him.  Tom, the first step is
                                      admitting you have a problem.
                                      -dans
                                      \_ dans, I want you to stop talking
                                         about me in the motd immediately.
                                         -tom
                                         \_ I can't believe tom actually wrote
                                            this since it was tom (or someone
                                            who signed as tom) who stepped in
                                            to this thread slamming dans in
                                            the first place only a few lines
                                            up.  That would be shockingly
                                            hypocritical.
                                            \_ I'm reasonably certain it was
                                               somebody who signed as tom on
                                               the first one. One usally have
                                               to eviscerate tom's points
                                               before he resorts to insulting
                                               you.  Though being shockingly
                                               hypocritical is totally in
                                               character for tom since, in his
                                               head, it all makes sense. -dans
                                               you. -dans
           \_ Here is a link to a Washington Post article:
              http://preview.tinyurl.com/34647w (washingtonpost.com)
              Re the subject matter - what is the big deal here? BUSHCO fired
              some attorneys for political reasons? So what? It happens all
              the time.
              \_ It absolutely does not "happen all the time".  This is a big
                 deal because it's unprecedented.  And for the executive to
                 fire DoJ prosecuters at the whim of legislators is possibly
                 a separation of powers issue.  Gonzales is holding a 2pm ET
                 presser.  Let's see if he resigns.
                 \_ It does happen all the time:
                    http://preview.tinyurl.com/ywyvym (nytimes.com)
                    The Times notes that on 24 March 1993 AG Reno demanded
                    the resignation of all US Attorneys for an arguably
                    political reason - to stop the on-going investigation
                    of Dan Rostenkowski.
              \_ These are not just attorneys; they're US Attorneys,
                 responsible for deciding what gets investigated and
                 prosecuted in their regions. The accusation is that they were
                 fired because they refused to open potentially politically
                 damaging investigations of Dems for corruption just prior to
                 the '06 elections. If they're being fired because of
                 incompetence or failure to do their jobs, that's one thing;
                 if they're being punished for not caving in to political
                 pressure to open spurious investigations for political gain,
                 that's something else entirely.
                 \_ How else was Karl Rove going to create his
                    Thousand Year^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HPermanent Republican
                    Majority?
                 \_ Old jungle saying: to the victor go the spoils. BUSHCO
                    won the 04 election, they can decide how they want to
                    run the DOJ. If that means they want to get rid of US
                    attorneys they don't like, that is w/in their executive
                    discretion.
                    I agree that BUSHCO acted in a potentially stupid and
                    short-sighted manner and have set a very bad precedent
                    for future administrations, but there isn't anything
                    "wrong" w/ what they have done; it was completely w/in
                    their discretion to act like a bunch of idiots.
                    NOTE: I agree that if the new appointments are done w/o
                    senate approval and by abusing the Patriot act, then
                    the appointments are VERY suspect and maybe illegal,
                    but I cannot agree that they dismissals rise to that
                    level.
                    \_ The rolling resignations say otherwise.  Gonzales
                       TESTIFIED UNDER OATH about this matter.  He lied.
                       That's what us jungle folk call "perjury".
                       \_ So what? Try him for perjury. That still doesn't
                          make the dismissals wrong. Appointing cronies
                          w/o senate approval, I think, crosses the line.
                          \_ If the dismissals had been across the board or
                             hadn't labeled the failure to prosecute Dems as
                             incompetence and dereliction of duty, they would
                             not have occasioned as much attention.
                    \_ Wow, just wow.  So subverting the justice system
                       for political gain is just hunky dory?  This thread
                       is just crying out for a Godwin...
                       \_ Justice is not subverted simply b/c one set of
                          prosecutors is replaced w/ another. Justice can't
                          be subverted so long as the judiciary remains
                          independent of the executive.
                          The real issue here is merely whether BUSHCO
                          acted w/in its discretion in dismissing attorneys
                          who worked for it. They did, regardless of the
                          motivations for doing so. Let's say that Pres.
                          ALGOR fired a bunch of US attorneys for failing
                          to start politically motivated investigations
                          against big oil, would it even be a "scandal"?
                          Probably not.
                          BUSHCO, like every other administration, is
                          also free to appoint whoever they want as
                          replacement attorneys provided that they do
                          not bypass the approval process. Bypassing
                          the approval process is arguably subvertion
                          of justice.
                          \_ It may not be subverting justice, but it is
                             certainly going to look bad politically, that
                             BushCo fired justice dept attorneys, to try
                             and cover up for Abramoff and DeLay.
                             \_ That I can agree w/. It looks *really*
                                stupid, but if BUSHCO wants to act like
                                a bunch of idiots, that is w/in their
                                discretion (and not really out of char-
                                acter). Its too bad there is no national
                                recall election.
                       \_ My reference to the Thousand Year Reich was
                          not Hitleresque enough for you?
                          \- you may enjoy:
                             http://www.cafepress.com/ipa_politics.14487589
2007/3/12-14 [Health/Men, Reference/RealEstate, Health/Women] UID:45945 Activity:nil
3/12    Best wikipedia page ever:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Chase
        \_ Uh huh. -dans
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