3/5 "Are there any journalists at all interested in figuring out why
this is the case? If Coulter is such a blight on humanity, such a
monument to indecency and all that is wretched in our political
culture, what does it say about the political movement that has been
running our country for the last six years (at least) that they
embrace her so enthusiastically?"
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/03/06/cult/index.html
\ "Can't we all get along?"
\_ It is odd that anyone will defend Coulter. She obviously
is just a giant, not very funny lately troll. I don't think
she even believes half of what she says, it's just for effect.
I think Michelle Malkin is fully crazy, Coulter... just
in it for the money, and we'd all be better for it we just
ignored her.
\_ "Can't we all get along?"
\_ It's the same on both sides. How many journalists and Bill Maher
types said they wished Cheney would have died in the bombing? How
many people look at some dumb jerk like Libby getting convicted for
doing nothing and think that justice was done while certain Clinton
associates stuff national security documents in their shorts, stole
them and got a wrist slap and think what he did was no big deal?
It's all just "my guy is good, your guy is evil" nonsense. Do not
look for the man behind the curtain.
\_ Find me one journalist who said "I wish Cheney had been bombed"
Libby got convicted for lying to the FBI. I think it's
pretty clear he did. Now you can debate that he only
did what Bush/Cheney told him and he's the fall guy, but
I still think it's pretty clear he lied to the FBI and
the 'oh i was busy, my memory is bad' defense is a bunch
of horseshitc
\_ If lying was a real crime in DC they'd all be in prison.
They *should* all be in prison, but if the laws are going to
be enforced in a one sided and arbitrary manner then just
don't bother having laws like that.
\_ Lying is not a crime. Lying to an FBI agent about
information that is pertinent to an ongoing investigation
is. Do you really not understand the difference or are
you just being disingenuous? -dans
\_ I'm being intentionally obtuse, actually, to make a
point: Libby didn't commit a criminal act. He
committed a political crime. His crime being that he
was stupid and didn't conveniently forget everything
when the FBI came snooping around. Richard Armitage
who actually released Plame's ID was never charged with
anything because it wasn't a crime. This poor dumb
jerk might go to prison for having a bad memory about a
non-crime. If the FBI came around and quizzed you
about what you had for breakfast 3 years ago and you
got the answers wrong should we send you to the federal
pen?
\_ If I remembered what I had for breakfast 3 years
ago, and the FBI asked me what I had because it was
pertinent to an investigation, and I lied by
feigning forgetfulness, then yes, if the system
works, I would expect a jury of my peers to find me
guilty and I should be sent to prison. Either you
really don't understand the law or you're being
utterly disingenuous. -dans
\_ Wow, that's crazy. No, you should not. Because
the underlying investigation is a crock. When
'Scooter' was being questioned they already knew
who the pseudo-leaker was (Armitage) and he got
convicted for having different memories from some
reporters who had different memories from each
other of the same events. I'm really quite
honestly surprised anyone around here believes in
the absolute infliction of the letter of the law
bearing the full weight of the State without
mercy upon an individual. That's pretty shocking
stuff if you stop a moment to think about it.
\_ So, you're drawing a line between lying to a
grand jury to cover up a crime, and lying to a
grand jury to protect your boss politically.
What was Clinton impeached for again?
\_ Except Libby didn't cover anyone, so your
comparison doesn't work. As far as Clinton
goes, I think he should have been impeached
but not for lying about Lewinski. I don't
care who screws who in DC. They all are as
far as I know or care.
\_ There was no crime to lie about so that
doesn't apply. I think there were plenty
of things to impeach Clinton for but not
over the blue dress. That was just stupid.
\_ Journalists? Find me one journalist for a major paper/news
service that said they wish Cheney had died? And Bill Maher
isn't the headliner at major party gatherings. Bill Maher
doesn't get his ass kissed by persidential candidates.
And your Bill Clinton stuff has absolutly nothing to do
with Ann "faggot" Coulter. Imagine if she had said the same
"joke" about Obama but with the word nigger. Would you be
defending her then?
\_ AC isn't a journalist either. At no point did I defend what
she said. I'm pointing out the hypocritical nature of
political attacks and media coverage. When one hack proclaims
the world would be better if the VP was assassinated, they
say nothing. When a different hack from the other side of
the spectrum makes a hate comment the world is coming to an
end. Libby gets convicted of having a bad memory about
something that wasn't even a crime. He could have just said
\_ Lying to an FBI is agent about information pertinent to an
investigation *is* a crime. Perjury *is* a crime. A jury
of Libby's peers decided that he was lying when he said "I
do not recall." This is how the system is supposed to
work. If you really believe in justice and the rule of
law, by all means, call attention to when the system
fails, but its self-defeating to say "The system failed in
case A so its unjust if it fails in case B." -dans
\_ The system fails because it is designed to. How many
people have lied to investigators, committed perjury,
put cash in their fridge, stuffed security documents in
their pants and nothing happened. Rhetorical question
to you: if those things were done by Republicans would
you be upset about the lack of justice done in each
case? If a Democrat was put up on charges for lying
about something that wasn't even a crime and send to
prison would you be upset?
\_ Sorry I take back my earlier comment from above.
Your use of language is utterly disingenuous.
I'm done here. -dans
\_ No. My questions were rhetorical because I think
we both already know the answers. You're not into
justice but punishment of the political opposition
at any cost to the concept of fairness and true
justice. Using the legal system as a political
weapon is ugly but useful. Your little personal
slap not withstanding, you've added nothing to
show I'm wrong or strengthen anything you're
trying to say.
\_ Dude, it must be scary believing everyone is
out to get you. -dans
out to get you. I am the best ad you are a
out to get you. I am the best and you are a
worm. -dans
\_ Don't append bogus text to other people's
posts. Or at least get the writer's voice
write. I best is a wanker's adjective.
And I wouldn't have said worm, I would have
said wanker. -dans
wanker. -dans
\_ Aw, how cute you took my advice. The
change to my post is a little better, but,
come on, "I am the best"? Don't you think
that's a bit of a clunky turn of phrase?
-dans
\_ No worries, no one thought it was you
anyway. I can disagree with you and
debate with you but I never thought you
were stupid like your wanna-be clone
up there.
"I do not recall" to all questions and got off but was trying
to help the FBI's investigation. Someone else gets nailed
with $90k in their fridge and has an appointment to the
committee on homeland security. Another person stuffs Nat'l
Security documents in his shorts and gets a wrist slap. You
don't see a double standard or just don't care because it
suits your agenda?
\_ What "hack" said that the world would be better if the
VP were assassinated?
\_ Bill Maher
\_ When? Where? It's worth noting that Bill Maher
is a humorist who moonlights as a hack. Compare
to Ann Coulter who is a hack, who, frankly,
can't do funny. -dans.
\_ They're both hacks. Neither is a journalist,
neither is funny, both are public figures who
make money by stirring shit up.
\_ No, really, Bill Maher got his start as a
comedian. You may not find him funny, but
plenty of other people do. The same
cannot be said of Ann Coulter unless you
mean funny in the tragic and pathetic sort
of way. -dans
\_ Well, that's sort of argueable.
Currently, one generally gets left
leaning entertainment on TV, but right
leaning entertainment on the radio.
Most talk radio hosts are basically
comedians. I think that's the
background coulter comes from, so I
don't see why she can't be classed with
Maher.
\_ It doesn't matter how he got his start.
He is not currently nor has been a
comedian for many years and did not
say what he did meaning it as a joke.
His former career is not relevant.
\_ Google "bill maher cheney better dead"
\_ All I got was this post.
\_ It may interest you that far-right wingers
find Coulter funny. As far as I can tell. no
one but far-lefties finds Maher funny. It is
not hard to be funny to these groups,
variations on "Bush/Edwards is a(n)
idiot/faggot." is sufficent.
\_ The day Bill Maher is a headline speaker
at a major democratic gathering we can
\_ How often does his show run? How is
Maher any different than Rush? Is
Rush bad? Why not Maher? And wtf
kind of name is Rush anyway? Who
comes up with this stuff? At least
AC and BM have real names.
even begin to see if he compares with
Coulter (my guess is he doesn't even come
close, Maher is more of an Libritarian
ass than a Democrat ass.) But until then
even trying to equate the two is stupid
and you know it. It's like saying
"See, move on is a bunch of psychos,
some random person sumbited a video
comparing Bush to Hilter so therefore
when a major administration offical
calls anti-war demostartors traitors it's
pro quid pro!"
P.S. If you don't see the difference
between calling someone an idiot and
calling them a faggot, you sir, are too
stupid to have gone to cal. Please give
back your CSUA account.
\_ I see the different between name calling
and wishing someone was assassinated.
You think name calling is worse? Ok.
You are smart. I am dumb.
\_ Dunno about smart or dumb, but you're
still unsubstantiated. Cite, please.
\_ Ann Coulter has called for the
assassination of federal judges
that she disagreed with. Why didn't
you condemn that with the same fury? |
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