11/11   Does someone have any idea where I could get a file of the startup
        sound for an SGI Indy or O2?
        \_ http://ultrashare.de/f/5986/indy.mp3.html
           \_ Awesome!  Thanks.  Any chance you know about the O2 also?
              \_ Or an Indigo?

11/11   Election's over. Political trolls nuked. Let's move on.

11/11   What's a better game, GTA Vice City or GTA III?
        \_ If I ever get past that damn RC airplane task Vice City might be
           better.
           \_ this mission is much more fun once you connect a gamepad to
              your PC.  I recommend the Logitech wireless rumble one.
        \_ IMO, though each of VC and SA have been technically better than "3",
           they've been less fun as the areas have gotten bigger and you feel
           that getting to know every nook and cranny of "the town" would take
           you for-frickin-ever.  In 3, you could do so, and it was fun.

11/11   Move over youtube, now there's revver! link:www.revver.com

11/11   Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry-- 16 percent would
        vote for him in 2008, 24 percent maybe, and 55 will not vote
        for him, period. And therein lies some good news for President
        Bush as he faces the final two years of his Presidency. At
        least he's not John Kerry. Bahahahahahahahahaha
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15667442/site/newsweek/page/3
        \_ ELECTION IS OVER. This thread will be deleted in an hour. Sorry.
        \_ Loser says what?
           \_ Hmm, yes, elevating political discourse.  Once an election has
              been ended no one is allowed to discuss it if 'their side' lost.
              ended no one is allowed to discuss it if 'their side' lost.
              Ok, whatever.
              \_ Enjoy your 31% approval rating:
                 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15667442/site/newsweek
                 \_ I don't have an approval rating and whatever either
                    party's approval rating is at has nothing to do with
                    the level of political discourse or having the right
                    to express political opinions.
              \_ Loser says what?
                 \_ Exactly.  Thanks for reinforceing my point.
                    \_ It's so enjoyable to have the shoe on the other foot.

11/11   Rummy, Gonzales and Tenant might be sued for "war crimes" in
        Germany:
        http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,1557842,00.html
        \_ How can an American be sued in another country?
           \_ The same way someone can be tried in the US for crimes
              they committed while outside the country (Noriega.)  Some
              countries have weird laws--I think Belgium has or had one
              of these "good luck with enforcing it" statutes that allowed
              their prosecuters to go after anyone for some kinds of crimes
              against humanity committed anywhere else.  -John
           \_ Germany claims to have "Universal Jurisdiction" over war
              crimes. If found guilty, one cannot travel to Germany
              w/o the potential of being arrested on the basis of that
              conviction. The same may be true of countries that have
              an extradition agreement w/ Germany wrt this type of
              crime. Mostly this is symbolic.
              <rant>A conviction will make the Euro-peons feel good
              about themselves and will take their minds of the fact
              that the moors are in the process of recovering what
                       \- moops
              they lost and taking more ground.</rant>
                                        \_<snore>

11/11   FL voter mails in absentee ballot w/ the "inverted jenny" stamp
        (worth about $3 million):
        http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1667782006&format=print
        \_ No, a block of four such stamps is worth $3M.  The person who
           mailed the absentee ballot used only one, which according to
           the article is worth $500K.  It's still a buttload of money
           to have missed out on, of course.
           \_ This must have been intentional.
           \_ Sorry I misread the article, corrected.

11/11   Curt looked at his erection, amazed.  "I thought it had stopped
        earlier...  My God, I'm huge!" Tentatively, he touched his engorged tip
        and patted it with his finger tips.  It bobbed slightly as he stood up.
        Picking up a tape measure from the hall desk, Christa quickly came
        over to Curt and measured him.  She let out a low whistle of
        appreciation at his new length as she wrapped the tape measure around
        his shaft.  She looked up at him...  "Curt, you've grown to eleven
        inches long and five-and-a-half inches around." She did some quick
        mental math.  "Jesus, Curt.  You're 1.7507 inches thick! Make
        sure you keep that thing the hell away from me."

11/11   Why is Cal trying to lose the game?  Red zone, three downs, can't
        TD, why does it feel like the '90s again.
        \_ This game left a bad taste in my mouth. Cal didn't play well,
           but the Hughes interception overturned and Hawkins' ability to
           turn 2 TDs into FGs really hurt. Cal should have won this game,
           despite Longshore playing like dookie. So if Cal beats USC
           and Stanford, we can still go to the Rose Bowl, right? Same as
                         \_ we?  you're on the team?  cool!
           it was before this game happened. BTW, I thought Cal should
           have gone for it on 4th and goal. What good does the FG do
           unless you're worried AZ is going to kick one, too? Cal needed
           the TD. Stupid Hawkins.
           \_ We needed two scores to win.  If Jackson's foot lands one inch
              \_ You're on the team, too?  That's awesome.  I had no idea so
                 many soda geeks played football for Cal on the side.  Way to
                 go sodans!
                 \_ you're a moron.  -tom
                    \_ *laugh* one day 'we' hope to be smart like you.
              differently, we would have won the game because we kicked a
              field goal on the previous posession.  -tom
              \_ Yes, but even without it Cal would have tied. The way
                 it worked out Cal lost. Counting on a miracle drive to
                 win is risky. I'd have rather gone for the TD. It's
                 a lot easier to gain 3 yards than 88 yards.
                 \_ We had just lost yardage on two consecutive plays,
                    then almost had a pass picked off.  Our chance of
                    converting on fourth down was likely less than 50%,
                    and there was plenty of time left on the clock (over
                    7 minutes).  And in fact, we did get the ball back and
                    we did have a really good chance to score.  It didn't
                    work out.  Sometimes that happens.  -tom
                    work out.  Sometimes that happens.  -tom, bear apologist
                    \_ Probably, but what are the chances of converting on
                       an 88 yard drive when we hadn't gone on a drive all
                       game? If AZ had made one more first down Cal
                       wouldn't have even gotten the ball back.