11/8    Rumor is Cheney may/will leave for Saudi Arabia if the Democrats
        win the Senate, just in case they try to get him.
        \_ Neither Cheney nor Bush has anything to worry about,
           impeachment wise, 'cause the senate is not democratic
           enough.  Unless some really stinky shit comes out.
           \_ "Stinky shit?"  Oh, you mean like Abu Ghraib?  You mean like
              holding people prisoner for years without charging them?  You
              mean like wiretapping one's own citizens?  You mean like
              invading a country under false pretenses?  You mean like
              revealing the identity of a CIA agent as a form of political
              retaliation against her husband?  That sort of thing?
              \_ None of that shit is stinky in the noses of the Senate
                 Republicans.  There will be no impeachment unless Bush/Cheney
                 is shown to have had gay sex for money, irrefutable
                 evidence of bribe-taking, etc.
              \_ None of that shit is stinky in the noses of Senate
                 Republicans.  It'll take irrefutable evidence of Bush/
                 Dick taking bribes, having gay sex for money, or something
                 like that.  Civil rights violations, or anything done
                 to "terrorists", aren't going to bring them down.
                 \_ Bill Clinton was impeached for much, much less.  He got
                    impeached for getting blowjobs where he never even
                    climaxed.  Bush (or Karl Rove) betrayed the entire CIA
                    by revealing Valerie Plame's identity.  Civil rights
                    violations to brown people might not bring the Bush
                    Administration honkeys down, but the CIA fiasco may.
                    \_ You know, I really hope you're right.  I think
                       Bush and Cheney both deserve impeachment for this
                       and for war crimes and everything you mentioned.
                       However, I do not see it happening.
                       \_ second that.  I would swear my alegience to a
                          president who lied about a blowjob over a president
                          who lied about war anyday.  Then again, I think
                          majority of population don't have that sense of
                          proportion.
        \_ I heard that jackass actually went hunting on Election Day.  This
           was apparently the first that DICK had gone hunting since he shot
           his boy in the face.
        \_ You have been trolled.

11/7    Waiting for jblack to saying something about the election
        \_ congratulations to the party of "the tribe", your team
           did pretty well.

11/8    Santorum announces will run for President in 2008.
        \_ How better to bounce back from a large margin defeat?
        \_ That should provide some nice comedy until the New Hampshire
           primary and Iowa caucus.
        \_ You have been trolled.

11/7    The Gropenator wins over Angelides. I told you. People prefer
        jocks over nerds.
        \_ well, I can't think of a single major newspaper that didn't
           endorse the gropinator. then again, control of the editorial page
           at the l.a. times was conveniently moved from news to management
           in time for the election, and the top two existing guys have
           been fired.
        \_ The margin was closer than expected.  Arnold 49%.  Phil 46.2%.
        \_ The margin was closer than expected.  Arnold 55.8%.  Phil 39.2%.
           Phil only lost by 16.6%.  LOL!  Harvard loses out to steroids.
        \_ "What a fantastic evening; I love doing sequels," Schwarzenegger
           told supporters in Beverly Hills. "But this without any doubt is my
           favorite sequel."  http://www.csua.org/u/heo

11/8    DEMOCRATS TAKE THE SENATE DEMOCRATS TAKE THE SENATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        \_ Of course.  All the idiots on the motd the last few months
           talking up an "October surprise" and "November surprise" was
           just a lot of hot air.  Gee, imagine that.  The motd was filled
           with idiots who had no idea what they were talking about.
           Shocker.
           \_ The November surprise was the Saddam conviction. It just
              didn't work. It might have saved a few House seats for the GOP.

11/7    First woman Speaker of the House! Hooray for womenkind!!!
        \_ So if Dick has a heart attack and GWB has a bicycle accident,
           we'd have her as a President? Dear lord...
        \_ Nancy isn't a bad looking 66-year old.  I can tell that she was
           probably pretty hot as a young woman.  Not surprising at all that
           her investment banker husband impregnated her 4 times.
           \_ Funny I was going to say the same thing on motd. I wouldn't
              mind jerking off to pictures of her when she was younger.
              \_ You need a girlfriend badly.
                 \_ He can try http://csua/~jean
           \_ Anyone got pics of Nancy Pelosi as a young woman?  URL?
              \_ Busty Pelosi:
                 <DEAD>www.wyolife.com/kerryfest/WHAT'S-HER-FACE.gif<DEAD>
           \_ She has nice big brown eyes.

11/7    Where's Election Swami?  Let the mocking begin.
        \_ He's busy hiding under his red-colored blanket.

11/7    Wow, check out the Democratic party imploding!  My goodness!
        \_ Agreed. The only reason Ds won is because of GWB.  This will
           be a one time victory in many years to come because there will
           not be another GWB after 2008.
           \_ 2008 belongs to the Dems.  The Dems have control of the state
              governorships now, so expect some creative gerrymandering and
              control of battleground state campaigning.
              \- i am kinda curious if any loose canon democrats are
                 going to go "beyond the pale" to "get even".
        \_ Pelosi should just slit her wrists...
        \_ I bet you can find some choice quotes in the motd archive.
        \_ http://csua.com/2006/10/18/#44863

11/7    Webb up to almost 12,000 votes ahead, getting really tough for a
        recount...
        \_ Back down to a little over 7,000.  Still, Webb is going to win this
           one.  Last year, Virginia had a re-count for a state attorney
           general race.  323 vote margin.  After the re-count, it went up to
           a 360 vote margin.  So don't expect George Allen to be able to make
           up a freaking 7,000+ vote margin.  That's what you get for calling
           psb's relative a macaca.
           \- i'm not worried about george allen making up a 7k vote margin.
              i am worried about karl rove making up 7000 votes.
              see http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/green etc. --psb

11/8    FoxNews (cable) keeps showing Schwartzegenner's victory party
        and not really covering the rest of the election. What's up?
        \_ One red spot in an ocean of blue?
           \_ I bet you think politics (or got interested) in politics
              after Clinton.
              \_ Actually I was interested in politics before Clinton
                 and then I graduated from high school and grew up.
        \_ Bah.  The Governator is pretty damned liberal for a republican.
           A popular centrist getting elected isn't much of a story.
           \_ Yet our politics are so partisan.  What the Dems should learn
              from this election is that being a far left/right idealoge is
              a recipe for failure.  Unfortunatly, with Pelosi as speaker of
              the house...
              \_ I can't stand Pelosi. Why give her and her nutjob status
                 such power? As you say, someone more moderate would be
                 better.
                 \_ Pelosi is not a nutjob, unless you define nutjob as
                    anyone that Rush Limbaugh doesn't like. She is actually
                    pretty much in the middle of the Democratic Party:
                 \_ Pelosi is about in the middle of the Democratic Party.
                    It says much about you and your extremism, that you
                    consider her a "nutjob".
                    http://www.csua.org/u/hen
                    \- i dont know much about pelosi but so far like her
                       more than i like hillary, or ALGOR ... but right now
                       i woudl settle for somebody who didnt torture people,
                       invade countries on false intelligence, appoint
                       partisan hacks to formerly technocratic civil
                       service positions, think religion has equal footing
                       with science as a way to understand the world,
                       and has some respect for article 1 and artcile 3 of the
                       constitution, and doesnt think governing is about
                       sloganeering [cut and run, change hourse midstream,
                       "i am a constituional orginalist" etc], drag us toward
                       plutocracy ... i can live with some differences on
                       immigration policy or afformative action etc.
                    \_ "But the Democratic caucus has gone so far to the
                       left that, hell, she's in the middle." She has a
                       95 ADA rating. No, she's not a moderate at all.
                       Maybe compared to a communist.
                       \_ You aren't paying attention. I did not say that
                          she is a moderate: there are almost no moderates
                          left, in either party. I am saying that she is
                          about in the middle of the Democratic Party.
                          She is as far left as Frist or Hastert are Right.
                          Do you call these two gentlemen "nutjobs"?
                          http://www.csua.org/u/heu
                          \_ Being in the middle of a bunch of ultra leftists
                             does make her an ultra leftist nutjob.
                             \_ So you think anyone who doesn't want to suck
                                George Bush's dick and lick Bill O'Reilly's
                                ass is a leftist extremist or "ultra leftist"
                                or whatever it is you want to call us?
                                \_ isn't an ultra-leftist a communist?
                                        \_ no. not necessarily.
                                   they are self-evidently not communists.
                                        \_ not in name.
                                   ergo they are not ultra leftists.
                                        \_ no. not necessarily.
                                   ergo ppp is a moron.
                                        \_ work on your logic and reading comp.
           \_ I actually feel sorry for Lincon Chaffe...
              \_ don't.  the senate GOP has been voting like robots, and
                 chafee was never the difference.

11/8    I think it's really great that Dems are emphasizing bipartisanship
        in their victory speeches - that there was a divided America, and in
        order to defeat terrorism, we would need to work together.  I feel
        really good about this election.
        \- assming the Rs hold on to the Senate, I think te play between
           the two chambers will be itneresting ... sort of a "if you
           are total assholes [nuclear option etc] then we at least
           have some scope to respond."
           \_ Democrats take Senate. Wonder what will happen to Lieberman?
              \_ url?
              \- nothing will happen to lieberman. Harry Reid already
                 said that. if the margin was large, he might be able to
                 reneg, but it wont be, and also harder to reneg on
                 something that is sort of public.
                \_ As of 8:34am MST it's not quite a done deal, but it looks
                   like the Democrats got both Montana and Virginia,
                   thus winning a Senate majority.
                   http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/senate

11/8    Oh great... all the measures and all the propositions passed.
        Urge to kill... rising.
        \_ Oh, you were in favor of letting convicted child molesters live
           near elementary schools?
           \_ Thank you to all the urban areas that exported their child
              molesters to rural areas!  We really appreciate it.  Now where
              did I put that shotgun?
           \_ I'm opposed to making these people wear a GPS for life.
              That's ridiculous. Are we not even pretending to rehab
              people anymore? If you're a teacher and boff a 17 year old
              student then you wear a tracking device for life?
              \_ For me, this depends on what genders you and your student
                 are.  I'll scream either "Rape!" or "Hot!" accordingly.
                 \_ I guess my point is that if these people are still so
                    dangerous that they need 24/7 monitoring then maybe
                    we should not let them out. However, I think this law
                    is mostly based on hysteria. I am fine with most of
                    the bill, but not the monitoring. It seems like a
                    violation of civil rights, very Orwellian, and EXPENSIVE.
           \_ Regarding that prop, I believe it adds a lot of expense for
              no actual safety benefit. Plus I agree with the above poster
              that it's an appeal to emotion and hysteria. Every semi-urban
              area is reasonably close to a school and/or children. Why are
              you in favor of letting convicted child molesters live?
              \_ Exactly. Shouldn't we also be tracking anyone with
                 a felony conviction then? I'm more concerned about
                 violent criminals with long rap sheets. I'm concerned
                 about molesters, too, but why single them out?
        \_ except all those that you know, didn't
           \_ sorry I saw stuff yesterday projecting them all winning, but
              the bonds are still bad.
        \_ Who cares.  Only the bond measures passed.  The tax measures like
           the stupid added parcel tax failed.  Good.
           the stupid added parcel tax and the ridiculous cigarette tax all
           failed.  Good.
           \_ Do you know how much the passed bonds will add to our annual debt
              service?
              \_ ^^^
              \_ ~2.8b in payments every year.

11/8    OpenSSH 4.5 is out:
        http://www.openssh.org/txt/release-4.5
        ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/openssh-4.5.tar.gz
        ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/openssh-4.5p1.tar.gz

11/8    What stops this from happening? JoeL decides he wants more than his
        seniority and chair position.  He wants to be majority leader and have
        final say about what goes into every senate bill or he'll caucus with
        the R and switch control back.
        \- because then some marginal R might switch to D in return for other
           privilages. when yoyu have this knife edge balance, this is a
           real problem. it is a problem in parliamentar systems, it was
           privilages. when you have this knife edge balance, this is a
           real problem. it is a problem in parliamentary systems, it was
           a problem when JEEM JEFFORDS switched ... it's also a generic
           economic problem [look for "hold out problem"].
           economic problem [look for "hold out problem"]. insitutions
           deal with or mitigate them in various way ... usually by
           evolving norms or agreeing to bylaws and such.
           \_ What marginal r?  Joe isn't a D.  He can do what he wants and
              go where he'll get the best deal.  That's how politics works.
              There are no bylaws or agreements in place to stop this.
              [hey thanks whoever over wrote this, please dont]
        \_ i hate JoeL mostly because he torpedoed the GAAP and other
           financial reforms right after Enron. sigh...
           \_ He was also one of the leaders of "OMG violent video games! Won't
              someone please THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"
              \_ I lost respect for Hillary over that, too.  Not just because
                 it's knee-jerk and reactionary, but because it shows they
                 aren't in touch with modern America... who plays video games..
                 aren't in touch with modern America... who play video games..
                 as ADULTS.
                 \_ Not too many people over 30 are playing games as
                    adults. I know a few, but they are freaks. This is
                    definitely not the norm for 'modern America'.
                    \_ Average gamer age is over 30 last I heard.
                       \_ I read something a while ago that "average gamer
                          age" is skewed by all the Madden/whatever sports
                          game players, who don't consider themselves
                          "gamers".  I mean, it's just sports, right?  -John
                       \_ What defines a 'gamer'? If I play Playstation
                          5x per year does that make me a 'gamer'?
                          \_ Playing video games.
                             \_ Yes, but how often? If I play once per
                                year am I a gamer? That's about how much
                                I play. I don't consider myself a gamer
                                based on that.
                                \_ No, no - you're a gamer you freakin'
                                   cheese-eating, non-wife-screwing, slacker,
                                   kids-ignoring, Everquest-playing zombie!
                                   MOTD told you so!
                    \_ a) how'd you pick "over 30".. why not "over 18"?
                       b) there's this (very, very wrong) mentality that only
                          kids play video games.  it's like saying "let's put
                          restrictions on the (book) publishing industry because
                          restrictions on the (book) publishing industry b/c
                          lots of kids read books"
                          \_ It's not that adult should not play games, it's
                             that adults generally don't have the time.
                             Those who make the time are generally
                             shirking responsibilities. All of the wives
                             of gamers I know are none too happy about it,
                             except for the couple of wives who play, too.
                             Is it worth getting a divorce over? Do you
                             want to miss playing with your kids because
                             your Everquest pals are going on a quest?
                             Whenever I play games I feel like I am
                             wasting my time. Sure, I waste time in Vegas
                             once per year, too - and that's about how
                             often I play video games.
                             often I play video games. I feel the same way
                             about, say, people who watch too much TV. If
                             you are spending more than a couple hours per
                             week playing games/watching TV/whatever then
                             you are not a very productive adult. There
                             does come a time to 'grow up'. Go fuck your
                             wife for that hour and forget the game.
                             Believe it or not, some people have issues
                             with that.
                             \_ I know plenty of married gamers whose spouses
                                don't game but don't have a problem with it.
                                It's a question of how much you do it.  Being
                                a gamer doesn't mean you are a terminal case
                                who makes games your first priority.
                             \_ You're all missing the point.  The point is
                                that "gamers" are not a voting block.  Whether
                                they're 19, 30 or 50, they'll vote based on
                                taxes, war, religion, social policy or whatever
                                just like everyone else--whereas the moms of
                                underage gamers can easily be swayed by stupid
                                fear campaigns.  So you can win votes from
                                soccer moms who are known to vote in large
                                numbers and to be willing to vote for either
                                party by demonizing video games, but in spite
                                of all their bitching on slashdot or motd,
                                the "gamer vote" doesn't matter.  How old the
                                gamers are is completely beside the point.

11/8    As it turns out, despite more spending for Republican campaigns,
        the Democrats won.  Elections do not always follow money.
        \_ err. they did kept the Senate.  and only Senate can impeach
           the president, no?
           \_ Well, unless 'kept' means 'lost' in this context.....
           \_ I guess kept is a way of saying "didn't keep"?
           \_ No, the house can impeach the POTUS.
              \_ More correctly, the house impeaches, the senate convicts.
                 While presidents have been impeached by the house, none has
                 been convicted by the senate.
                 \_ Simple majority in the House to impeach; 2/3 majority in
                    the Senate to convict.
           \_ This is a new meaning of the word "kept" that I'm not familiar
              with.  Perhaps you could enlighten us?

11/8    So I guess we can dismiss all the nutty claims that Diebold was fixing
        their machines to make Republicans win?
        \_ Great.  Maybe the first time someone hacks a US election, it'll
           be the dems, maybe it'll be a foreign power, and maybe it'll be a
           super 37337 15 year old jolt addict from St. Petersburg.  But as
           long as it didnt' happen yesterday, and didn't involve the GOP,
           you're happy?  Does it seriously not bother you that we have less
           oversight for voting machines than the state of Nevada does for
           video slot machines?  When every vote is counted electronically,
           and our next president ends up being a death metal star from
           eastern Europe, don't come crying to me.
           \_ how about just Ah-nold?  ob after constitutional amendment
        \_ No.  You can say that any vote machine fixing that took place
           was insufficient to skew the overall result.  -John

11/8    So what happened to all the absentee ballots?  Wasn't that one of the
        big pre-election stories?
        \_ i thought absentee ballots are not counted unless the election is
           really close, no?
           \_ 50% of voters in CA were estimated to be absentee.  And absentee
              ballots are *always* counted if they qualify.

11/8    And now for something completely different. (NANOWRIMO joke)
        http://www.homeonthestrange.com/view.php?ID=126

11/8    Hah.  Dems win and Rummy steps down.  Suddenly all those people who felt
        guilty about voting Dem feel a whoooooole lot better.
        \_ Watch those Democrats implode!
        \_ I just realized Rummy was also Secretary of Defence when he was in
           his forties.
                \_ I think Rummy has been both the youngest and oldest sec
                   of defense.

11/8    im in ur capitol CONTROLIN UR SENATE
        \_ oh no I hate that meme, it was never funny... please don't let it
           infest the motd thx

11/8    Every single CA prop failed!  Thank you CA voters for
        restoring my faith in humanity.
        \_ Except for the ones that passed?
           http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/00.htm
        \_ Maybe this person meant the non-bond-issue props. The sex-
           offender one passed.
           \_ Mmm.  That's $2B well spent.  I mean, there are serious doubts
              it will actually protect a single child, but you can't vote
              against TEH CHILDREN!
                \_ "sex offender" + "children" = sure win prop
              \_ Sigh. Never mind that public urination is considered a sex
                 crime (misdemeanor) in some places.
                 \_ Of course prop 83 didn't apply to public urination.
              \_ Man, i just had a way better idea than Jessica's law.  When
                 the Child molesters get out of prison, we'll give them the
                 option of $10,000 and a free 1-way ticket to Bankok as long
                 as they agree to never return.  (We revoke citizenship.)  I
                 think John Mark Karr would take it.

11/8    One good thing about the Dems winning--I'll finally hear the good news
        about the economy.
        \_ Loser says what?

11/8    Dear John, could you please post pictures of Ipanema and the
        beautiful girls there? And may I ask how and why you travel
        to exotic places so much? Are you a consultant or something?
        I'd like to go to these places one day, when I have more money.
        Thanks for sharing your pictures John! You're awesome.
        \_ This reminds me of when there was some interesting wildlife outside
           the building where I work, and everyone was running around to take
           pictures of them.  One guy pointed out that if you really want
           good pictures of wildlife for some reason, you can just do a
           google images search for the same animals where you'll see hundreds
           of pictures taken with better cameras closer up than you're going
           to get, and taken by more talented photographers.  Why don't you do
           a google images search for hot women on a beach and pretend John
           took all of them.
           \_ If you want to find quality pictures, try http://flikr.com.
        \_ Here's a few.  They're from Trancoso and South of there, in
           Bahia state.  The colors aren't great as I don't have any good
           CR2-PNG converters (shut up, Partha), but I even found one with
           a Brazilian gurl for you!!11  As for travelling, it's what I do
           a lot with my girlfriend, especially while we're spending a year
           in S. America and I've got basically fuck-all for work down here.
           http://www.flickr.com/photos/20046048@N00  -John

11/8    It turned out that energy and oil companies like Chevron paid over
        100 million dollars to anti Prop 87 TV ads. Will they take that
        as a loss, or will we as consumers have to pay them back 100
        million dollars at the pumps?
        \_ It will be booked as a lobbying expense.  It's not so simple as
           "raise prices to recover $100M", but it has a negative effect on
           profit margins and will encourage them to raise prices to compensate

11/8    Firefox 1.5.0.8 is out.

11/8    when dubya says he "takes responsibility" for loss of the House,
        does that mean he'll resign and let Cheney take over, or that he'll
        appoint some moderate SCOTUS judges?
        \_ No he means it like all people in power mean it.  And do you
           really want Cheney?

11/8    Allen concedes.  House and Senate officially in hand of
        the Democrats.  I expect great things.  Don't let me down!
        \_ All the news sites I see say "Associated Press declare Webb winner".
           WTF?
        \_ Do you have examples of what you expect? Just curious.
        \_ Is this the first time a Mormon will lead the Senate?
        \_ Allen concedes?  url please.
           \_ He was down 7k.  Lawsuits and noise about election fraud
              with big spreads aren't a Republican trait.
              \_ Right.  They steal their elections fair and square.

11/8    motd getting a bit long?
        \_ yesterday's discussion removed

11/8    AP Reporting dems take senate.  All the networks are reporting this.
        "An adviser to Allen, speaking on condition of anonymity because his
        boss had not formally decided to end the campaign, said the senator
        wanted to wait until most of canvassing was completed before
        announcing his decision, possibly as early as Thursday evening.
        The adviser said that Allen was disinclined to request a recount if
        the final vote spread was similar to that of election night."
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061109/ap_on_el_se/democrats_senate

11/7    http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/mapBN.htm
        The only counties that voted for Angelides were the LA county
        and N Cal liberal counties. The OC (south of LA) overwhelmingly
        voted for Republican as expected, as did the inline empires.
        \_ But he will wear the Crown of Appolonius upon a troubled brow...
        \_ But he will wear the Crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow...
                                           \_ Thanks for the correction.
                                              I bow to your superior Conan
                                              knowledge. -OP
                                              knowledge. -PP

11/8    Say you're a politician and you just lost an election, and say
        you're not a wealthy dot-comer who made millions from eBay or
        inherited millions from your family, what would you do
        for a living?
        \_ You stay home all day and cry. Like Al Gore. Then after a year
           or two you start making a movie you're passionate about so that
           you can forget about your loss. Like Al Gore.
           \_ Well, you could always hit the lecture circuit and make an
              absurd amount of money...like Al Gore
        \_ Lobbyist.  Go back to law.  Give talks.  Do what you were doing
           pre politician.  Lots of things.
        \_ http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/3afec4f94f.jpg
           1. Buy daughter a puppy
           2. Send son off to Hogwarts
           3. Repress homosexual urges
           4. Profit!
           \_ awesome.

11/8    rm: remove write-protected regular file `Great BJ-HJ-CS vid clips
        Vol. III.torrent'? y

11/8    Inland valley hicks voted NO on prop 90 (limiting Eminent Domain).
        Why is that? Do they enjoy having personal property taken away?
        http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/mapR090.htm
        \_ hi troll!
        \_ 90 was a great proposition with a really horrible one attached to it
           ..but since i don't expect most of the inland valleys to read.. no
           clue why they voted against it
        \_ There are lots of reasons to both like and dislike this Prop.
           It depends on what side of the fence you are on. A similar law
           passed in Oregon led to lots of litigation.
        \_ I think you read the map backwards or we have different definitions
           of "NO" or "inland valley"
        \_ Anti-ED is good but prop 90 had some stuff some people may have
           thought went too far.  I'm a bit surprised it wasn't a land slide
           in 90's favor.  Next time.
           \_ 90 was dumb.  it was written very generally.  even the official
              CA explanation of it was full of "well it might...."
              and "could be interpreted...." clauses.  That sucks.
              Props should be very specific.
              \_ The official explanations are always written in those terms.
                 You have to read the prop itself.  I don't do more than
                 skim the official explanations as a quick prep for reading
                 the actual real text of the prop.  I hope you don't think
                 it sucked based on the generalised terms used by to describe
                 it by the Secretary of State's office.