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2006/11/7-8 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:45208 Activity:low
11/7    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZrjr4A-ASQ
        Geico Insurance Caveman Commercial. I really like the song, what
        band sings it and what is it called?
        \- it's by this norwegian band contrlled by karl rove's family:
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royksopp
           \_ Really awesome in concert if you ever get a chance to see
              them.  Melody A.M. is a really cool album;  "So Easy" is the
              track they perform best live.  -John
              \_ I just checked out their music video on youtube. Dude,
                 this music totally sucks. Is this typical of European
                 pop?  It sounds 70ish. It needs a bit more hip and maybe
                 some hop. A bit more bass doesn't hurt either.
                 \_ I guess I should have been more emphatic about the "better
                    live" part.  Whatever, your preference.  -John
                 \_ I don't think they are a typical group. But god forbid
                    a group can sound like something other than mainstream
                    hip hop. By the way, what is an example of good music?
                    \_ Good music: Eminem. Snoop Dogg. Anything loud.
                       Get down man.                            -pp
2006/11/7 [Politics/Domestic] UID:45209 Activity:nil 57%like:45228
11/7    Okay, so http://tradesports.com has House GOP control at ~ 20, and Senate
        GOP control at ~ 70.  Let's see how we do!
2006/11/7-8 [Finance/Investment] UID:45210 Activity:kinda low
11/6    The new 007 doesn't have a strong handsome look like Sean Connery
        and Timothy Dalton. Instead he looks like an average Joe, like me!
        This makes me feel really good about myself. Hooray!   -average joe
        \_ Have you watched any of the Sean Connery Bond films recently?
           Casino Royale is technically the first of the Bond stories, since
           it begins before Bond is a double-0 agent.  I think that as a nod
           to this they cast Daniel Craig who is more in the Sean Connery mold,
           i.e. strong and something of a bastard, than either Timothy Dalton
           or Pierce Brosnan who, compared to Connery are kind of pussies.
           -dans
           -gay dans
           \_ I for one welcome the change. I'm sick and tired of my gf
              saying how handsome Piercie looks.        -jealous dude
           \_ I don't think that Craig is really in the Sean Connery mold.
              He seems too muscular and brutish, more like a thug than an
              intelligence officer. I'm willing to give him a chance, but
              I don't really have high expectations b/c the trailer makes
              the movie look like yaActionFlick, which is not what a Bond
              movie is/was. I actually liked Brosnan in GoldenEye and TND,
              but he was terrible in the last two movies. I'd say he was
              my 3d favorite bond behind Connery and Moore (yes I liked
              Roger Moore, he was humorous).
              To OP - I don't know many "average Joes" who look like this:
              http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/CasinoRoyale/CasinoRoyale_400.jpg
              (but I am gay, so YMMV)
              -stmg
        \_ A lot of women I know seem to think he's pretty handsome, although
           most of my female friends who care were hoping for Clive Owen or
           Robbie Williams (?!?)  One even mentioned Ewan McGregor but I guess
           he's too much of a prettyboy.  -John
           \_ Obi-Wan as 007?!? Inconceivable! -stmg
              \_ What?  I see no mention of Alec Guinness anywhere in this
                 thread.
                 \_ Okay, Young Obi-Wan as Young 007!?!? Inconceivable! -stmg
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:45211 Activity:kinda low
11/7    This question is mostly for the supporter of the war and those
        who oppose quick withdraw from Iraq.
        One option which no one talked about is mobilizing entire freaking
        nation for Iraq.  Draft until we got 2.5 million pairs of boots,
        ration supplies if absoultely nessarily, and blanket Iraq with an army
        of 2.5-3million strong, pacify the country, and leave.
        What is wrong with THAT idea?  Do you guys really think we can
        "win" this war with the current troop level in Iraq?  at 8 billion
        a month, such idea is even economically sound!
        \_ The problem with such a tactic against a guerilla force is they will
           melt away into the civilian populace, only to resurface when the
           massive force goes away.
        \_ "pacify"ing the country
           == Saddam kills you if you piss him off
           || Shiites kill you if you piss them off
           != Americans there temporarily (same thing above guy said),
              unless it serves bullet point 2
        \_ 2.5 - 3 million non-radical Sunni/Shiite loyalists?  Aaaaanyway.
           We'll just arm both sides..  I'm sure they'll only use their training
           and weapons to Keep the Peace.
           We'll just arm both sides..  I'm sure they'll only use their
           training and weapons to Keep the Peace.
        \_ I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit; it's the only way
           to be sure.  -John
           \_ done that in Japan, it worked well.  I wonder why don't we do
              that again.
        \_ There are many things wrong with that idea: politics, economics,
           logistics, military structure.  And oh yeah, it wouldn't work
           anyway.  I don't have to be a war supporter or oppose retreat to
           see that a draft won't work and wouldn't help.  How about you
           explain how and why this could possibly work?
        \_ Naw, the right way to do this is to deport Iraqis to reservations
           in New Mexico and replace them with illegal immigrants waiting for
           deportation. That, and raise all of the kids in orphanages. Oh,
           yeah, and give everyone smallpox blankets. Let's see, have I missed
           any really terrible imperialist ideas here?
           \_ Er, orphanages are imperialist?
              \_ Google: australia lost generation
                 \_ Edit: Grr, afternoon brainhit: The Stolen Generation:
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generation
                 \_ my question of the day is, how come Australia never
                    charged with Genocide??  Or it is ok if White do this to
                    non-white and take their land?
                    \_ Australia has been working pretty hard to deal
                       with decimating the native population of Australia.
                       Hey either get grammar training, quit pretending to
                 \_ Since neither Canda, USA, nor Austrilia was punished for
                    this, I have been long advocating Chinese to do this to
                    Tibetian, Mogolians and rest of the minority tribe. :D
                       be ignorant, or I'll bust out the Im 30HHH and
                       no bra will hold me postings.
                       \_ Why USA say china bad when advocate australia
                          congress iraq no tibet?!  you racist white dog
                          not understand USA no good bad native genocide!!
                          Do we get more bra postings now?
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:45212 Activity:nil
11/7    Josh Marshall's got lots of nice vote suppression stories.  Sounds like
        lots of e-voting machines may be broken in poor districts.  Go GOP!
        http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061107/ap_on_el_ge/eln_voting_problems
        \_ Go Democrats! http://www.soundpolitics.com/archives/003472.html
        \_ Can you explain how it is the GOP's fault?  Does the GOP run these
           district's vote machines?  Train the staff?  Purchase the machines?
           Send evil haxx0rz out to break them?
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:45213 Activity:nil
11/7    so where's that button in the back of the voting machine
        that lets me vote multiple times?  I can't find the www link.
        Please post soon so I can vote early and often during lunch.
        Do you think they'll get mad if I bring my linesman headset
        into the booth?
        \_ You need to stop blocking GOP email as spam.  It's in there.
           \_ Uh, isn't the Democratic party historically the vote-rigging
              party? Where does this revisionist history come from?
              \_ The last six years.
                 \_ Ah. Got it. So this is typical Dem rationalization here.
                    "Anyone who disagrees with us must be stupid/racist!" and
                    "We lost so the winners must have cheated!"
                 \_ You missed a 30 there.
                 \_ That's right.  Dems demanded new voting machines--this was
                    just a Rovian plot to get machines that Repubs could rig
                    more easily.
                    \- somewhat ironically handicapped access is/was one
                       the driver to electronic voting.
                       \_ Because mashing a virtual button that provides no
                          feedback is easier than punch cards with a little
                          stick?
                          \_ No, numbnuts, because electronic voting machines
                             allow blind people to have their choices read to
                             them by a machine instead of a condescending poll
                             worker. Also, it's easier to use the controllers
                             they have for EVMs than to poke holes in paper if
                             you have CP or MS.
        \_ I got it from my local DNC rep.  They had a few boxes for us
           to practice on.  We then tossed the real votes in the SF bay
           just like last time.
2006/11/7-8 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:45214 Activity:nil
11/7    Next-gen console predictions anyone?  I'll start:
        PS3s sells out instantly, eBay for around $8-900, remain out of stock
        through christmas then just as supply is kicking in, they run out
        of people willing to spend $600 on a console.  Wii will sell out
        initially, but resupply will just barely keep up with demand.
        \_ You do realize that there are almost exactly as many ps3s
           available as there were xbox 360s last year.  I'm amused how
           the 360 gotgood press about  what a successful launch they
           had while the ps3 is getting dumped on.  --buying a wii
           \_ I don't recall the 360 launch being called successful...
           \_ According to this, 360 had 1mil consoles at launch i nthe US.
              That's more than twice the number of PS3s.
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360/official-360-launch-numbers-136058.php
        \_ How about ps sells out upon release and are 2,000 on ebay the
           moment sellers get the machines (in fact thats what they are
           already).  Since Wii is sooo much cheaper it will probably sell
           many more units.  $600 is just too much.
           \_ That's basically what he said.  The PS3 is having huge
              manufacturing issues, and there will only be at most 500,000
              available at launch, worldwide.  The Wii is easy to
              manufacture, so Nintendo is planning to have over 1 million
              just in North America.
        \_ I'll buy one for $8
        \_ My take: first batch sells out but sane people aren't willing to
           spend 8 gajillion dollars on a console when the competition costs
           1/2 to 1/3rd as much and the second batch sits on shelves for a
           month followed by drastically reduced prices leading to sony
           rethinking their entire home entertainment strategy and possibly
           leaving the console market.
           \_ My take: you are wrong
2006/11/7 [Uncategorized] UID:45215 Activity:nil
11/7    Now that the polls are open, let the lawsuits begin!
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:45216 Activity:nil
11/7    Haha.  From CNN:
        "Bonds rally on election bets: Market surges on hopes of fiscal
        discipline created by Democrat-controlled Congress; dollar mixed."
        \_ that must be CNN TV I guess, cuz http://money.cnn.com mentions
           the bond thing in the very last paragraph and just says "change
           in control of the House" w/o mentioning Dems
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45217 Activity:nil
11/7    http://www.electoral-vote.com
        Review the 2006 polls, watch all Blue-leaners go Red just like '04!
        \_ After Al Gore and Kerry's uber-fuckups beyond comprehension
           I'm no longer voting for anyone.             -disillusioned
        \_ Sorry Republicans have to work.
        \_ in the Gurus section, add Novak:  Senate 47-53, House 222-213 -op
        \_ Where do you get specific state results? (Props, etc.)
           \_ there probably isn't a central repository for state ballot item
              pre-election polls
           \_ You can get the CA stuff from the CA Secretary of State site.
        \_ for completeness, here's the Washington Post "tournament of
           champions" (of previous election-prediction winners)
           http://csua.org/u/hed (washingtonpost.com)
        \_ So why is it only a third of the Senate?
           \_ So why is it so many motd'ers are idiots?
              \_ Because I flunked history?  How about be helpful rather than
                 a prick?
                 \_ Have you flunked google as well?  Or the great wikipedia
                    search?  Grow up.
                    \_ No, his real problem is the schools stopped teaching
                       any form of civics before he was born.  It isn't his
                       fault his government controlled education taught him
                       nothing about government.
                       \_ BACK IN MY DAY WE WALKED UP HILL BOTH WAYS IN THE
                          SNOW AND WENT TO SCHOOL 10 HOURS A DAY STUDYING
                          POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY IN LATIN.  THESE DAMN
                          KIDS TODAY ARE IGNORANT AND HAVE NO RESPECT
                          UNLIKE WE DID IN THE OLD DAYS.
           \_ yer hawt 6th grade teacher who wants to have sex with you sez:
              "because Senators have 6-year terms, House reps have 2-yr terms"
              \_ Thanks!  (Duh)
        \_ So why is it only half-ish of the Senate?
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Computer/Rants] UID:45218 Activity:nil
11/7    I just received my 250GB segate HD that is made in China. I've
        had good experience with segate but they were made in
        Singapore. Has anyone been using Segate drives made in China?
        Any issues? It'll suck if my 250G drive would go bad..
        \_ It doesn't matter.  Your drive *will* go bad, it is just a matter
           of when.  Do backups, use raid or mirroring or both.
2006/11/7-8 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:45219 Activity:low
11/7    FedEx cancels Airbus, orders Boeing. Go Eurotrash engineering!
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15605861
        \_ It's not the engineering, it's the way the European economies
           work. In some ways this whole Airbus thing has been more
           command economy than demand economy.
           \_ that is very funny.  you really think Boeing is a product
              of free economy?
              \_ Yes.
                 \_ you are an idoit beyond help.
                    \_ What is an idoit?
        \_ The Airbus rollout is delayed largely because of wiring problems.
           Those problems have been largely caused by....software
           incompatibilities between version 4 and 5 of Catia.
           http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/24.46.html#subj12
           \_ From a business prospective, wouldn't the larger problem be
              the attempt to spread control of the company across 3
              different contries?
2006/11/7 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:45220 Activity:nil
11/7    Don't forget to vote and don't get too complacent about the polls!
        Remember, you need to add 10-15pts in favor of Republicans. Democrats
        may be loud and vocal thus giving the faulty impression that they're
        leading the polls. Republicans on the other hand tend to be quiet
        until the election day.
        \_ I thought it was because of the get-out-the-vote machine.
           \_ No.  That's only worth a tiny 1-2% at best.
              \_ oic, thanks!!
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:45221 Activity:nil
11/7    Has anybody heard the rumor about the college students who
        are going to kill themselves publicly if the Dems lose?
        \_ Just like the ones who were going to move to Canada?
        \_ Sounds like a plan, go for it!
        \_ McCain says he'll commit suicide if the Dems win [the Senate]...
           http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/10/18/160016.shtml
           \_ Some HIV+ gay activists in NYC said they were going to
              do something earth shattering if the Dems lose.
              See dailykos.
              \_ Can't find it.  (Never read DailyKos before, can't figure
                 it out.)
              \_ They've been losing every year since 94.  Why now?
                 \_ You have been trolled.
2006/11/7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45222 Activity:moderate
11/7    Democrat: "Fuck the War in Iraq! Impeach Bush!" -> Forget to vote
        Republican: "My vote is none of your business." -> Votes Republican
        My prediction: Forget the polls. Republicans will hold on to power.
        \_ Republican: "You know, we've got a lot of problems, but you've
           still got to vote for us. Because my opponent is a slug, and
           they're going to tax you into the poorhouse. And on the way to
           the poorhouse, you'll meet a terrorist on every street corner.
           And when you try to run away from that terrorist, you'll trip
           over an illegal immigrant.
           \_ Hahaha that's a funny way of putting it.
           \_ You're confusing the party message with OP's idea of voter
              thinking & action.  The Dem message is the equally stupid,
              "We hate GWB!" and that's about it.
              \_ 6 in '06, first 100 hours, etc.  Dems have published their
                 plans.  That you've only heard "We hate GWB!" is telling.
              \_ Not giving an incompetent and abusive executive
                 administration a congressional blank check is not
                 considered "stupid", IMHO.
        \_ but GOP won't retain majority in the House, right?
           \_ Election Swami has read the polls and says all shall be
              revealed within 24 hours!
        \_ http://images.chron.com/apps/comics/images/2006/11/7/Heart.806.g.gif
2006/11/7 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:45223 Activity:nil
11/7    Yay, Dell unveils OptiPlex 740 with Athlon 64 X2, although it's
        rated at the same speed as Pentium D dual core (but still naturally
        lower than Core 2 Duo)
2006/11/7-8 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:45224 Activity:nil
11/7    A lot of XML documents contain things like:
        xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"
        Isn't it bad practice to have an IT infrastructure depend on a
        resource hosted on a machine that may have down-time?
        \_ That's not a "real" URL, it's what's called a URN.  Basically it's
           just a unique string to say "this is the unique namespace which 'xi'
           will be an abbreviation for."  Common convention is that it point at
           the DTD or something that links to the DTD, but in general that
           URL is never actually fetched.  --dbushong
           \_ I say this because I have a document that is dependent on
              files hosted on http://docbook.sourceforge.net I didn't
              notice that the site had gone down until I looked at the
              stylesheet I was using and realized why xsltproc was hanging.
              \_ Ah, that's different.  That's <?xml-stylesheet, which DOES
                 require that it be fetched.  You should definitely have a
                 local copy of those referenced.  --dbushong
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:45225 Activity:nil
11/7    Chicago man sets himself on fire in protest of You Know What:
        http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/123692,CST-NWS-bodyfire04.article
        his self written obituary:
        http://www.savagesound.com/gallery100.htm
        his 'mission statement':
        http://www.savagesound.com/gallery99.htm
2006/11/7-8 [Recreation/Celebrity/BritneySpears, Politics/Domestic/HateGroups] UID:45226 Activity:nil
11/7    Britney files for divorce.
        \_ She is so white trash.
           \_ No, white trash is Tiffany.
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45227 Activity:nil
11/7    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/07/election.main/index.html
        "Don't underestimate our ability to blow it." -sr democratic aide
        Wow, I didn't know the Dems were like Cal football!  Go Bears!</troll>
                                                             \_ Learn to
                                                                spell. It
                                                                is GO BEAH!
                                                                not Go Bears!
2006/11/7 [Uncategorized] UID:45228 Activity:nil 57%like:45209 76%like:45235
11/7    http://tradesports.com House GOP control now at ~ 12, Senate still at ~ 70.
        \_ What do these numbers mean?
           \_ basically 0 means people think it will not happen
              100 means people think it's guaranteed to happen
2006/11/7-8 [Computer/Rants] UID:45229 Activity:nil
11/7    Hey motd, I've gotten quite popular lately because I've been
        exchanging $2 bills with my friends. I'm known as the $2 bill
        ATM, people come to me to exchange money. I've even gotten a
        date this weekend!!! Go $2 bill!!!              -$2 bill guy
        \_ http://www.msnbc.msn.com
        \_ Gee, how many did you have?  I've got around 80 of them.
        \_ Funny.  I met another guy like you.  He always went into the bank
           in person and asked for all his cash in 2 dollar bills, and then
           used them all the time as a novelty.  Do you find that a lot of
           people in stores don't know they're actually legal currency?  He
           found that.
           \_ I find it hilarious that people in stores don't know that
              they are legal tender. -different $2 guy
        \_ Hi, please go back to playing WoW.  Ok tnx.
        \_ I've done that with the Sacagawea dollars.  It can be fun.
           \_ An SF cop once thought I was trying to pass slugs when I tried
              to get change in MUNI for a Susan B. Anthony dollar--after the
              MUNI booth monkey called over about it.  -John
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:45230 Activity:nil
11/7    57 Iraqi police officers charged with torture
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061107/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
2006/11/7-8 [Science/Space] UID:45231 Activity:nil
11/7    "Water flow in China's Yellow River hits record low"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061107/sc_nm/environment_china_water_dc
        \_ what the fuck? that is an old news.  Yellow River no longer
           goes to the sea for a long long time.
2006/11/7-8 [Industry/Jobs] UID:45232 Activity:nil
11/7    http://pandora.com
        Free music, wide variety, easy to use. I LOVE IT.  -motd reviewer
        PS Are you guys going IPO any time soon?
        \_ Hi, I'm an engineer there.  We have lots of openings:
           http://blog.pandora.com/jobs
           Ask me anything.  --lye@csua
           \_ I love your Brazilian variety. It's got a surprisingly
              comprehensive Bossa Nova collection. Pandora KICKS ASS.
              PS. Fuck mainstream pop/rock.
           \_ Excellent site.  I wish there were a way to combine music
              streams to "triangulate" between two or more styles.  -John
              \_ There is.  Try "QuickMix".  --lye
                 \_ Bah, can't find it, I'll keep looking, thx.  -John
2006/11/7-8 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:45233 Activity:nil
11/7    Royksopp is awesome:
        http://youtube.com/watch?v=lBvaHZIrt0o (MTV of Sims characters
        a variant of the Geico caveman commercial song)
        http://youtube.com/watch?v=jl4rwMZWATs
        \_ Definitely interesting videos, but the music's not very exciting.
        \_ Weird. I was just listening to "So Easy" and trying
           to figure out the lyrics and now there's all this Royksopp stuff
           on the motd.
2006/11/7-8 [Uncategorized] UID:45234 Activity:nil
11/7    Disgruntled voter smashes electronic voting machine using a cat
        statue:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/y6usxf (mcall.com)
2006/11/7-8 [Reference/RealEstate, Politics/Domestic] UID:45235 Activity:nil 76%like:45228
11/7    http://tradesports.com House GOP control now at ~ 10, Senate back to ~ 65.
        \_ What do these numbers mean?
           \_ basically 0 means people think it will not happen
              100 means people think it's guaranteed to happen
              \_ Does that mean that if I bet on GOP control of house, I get
                 back 10X what I bet if they win?
                 \_ if you buy at 12, and the GOP wins the House, then you get
                    88 x $0.10 = $8.80 profit for every contract (share) you
                    bought at 12.
                    let's say GOP loses the House (and you held onto your
                    contracts until the bitter end).  Then the contracts you
                    bought are worthless.  You're out what you paid for them,
                    12 * $0.10 = $1.20 per contract.
                    \_ Please excuse my denseness, but this site is blocked
                       at work, and I'm considering going home to bet.  I still
                       don't get it.  In your scenario, how much did each share
                       cost?  Did I pay 12 dollars and get back 12+ the 8.80,
                       or what?
                       \_ updated answer.  any more q's?
                          \_ I just don't understand what's going on.  Is each
                             share 0.1 dollars?  Then where does the 88 number
                             come from?  How does that relate to 12?
                             \_ Let's say the price is 12 right now.
                                This means 1 contract (share) costs $1.20.
                                You buy 1.
                                Let's say the GOP wins the House.
                                You can now automatically sell this for $10.
                                You make $8.80 profit for that 1 contract.
                                If you can find someone who's selling 100
                                If you find someone who's selling 100
                                contracts (shares) at 12, and your dream comes
                                true, then you make $880 profit.
                                Actually, I see someone offering 440 contracts
                                at 10.5, so you can get them even cheapter.
                                \_ Ok, I finally get it.  Thanks!
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:45236 Activity:nil
11/7    Most election comedy so far:
        So far Foley winning in FL 16 49% - 48%.
        This is what we might call "joke voting."
        \_ Foley is not really the candidate they are voting for.  FL is a
           state where the party can change the candidate late in the game
           and a vote for Foley is really a vote for the Republican
           candidate.
        \_ Foley/GOP lost.  HAHAHAHAH!
2006/11/7-8 [Health/Women] UID:45237 Activity:kinda low
11/7    Has anyone been to Ipanema in Brazil? Is it as nice as Waikiki?
        Are the women there as beautiful as the song?
        \_ THere are tons of hookers there.  But they are mostly black women.
        \_ It's not all good though, your dick gets sore eventually from all
           the free blowjobs.
           \_ They are not free.  Each blowjob costs 20 U.S. dollars.
           \_ He can start charging for it then.
        \_ If Trancoso in Bahia is any indication (it's where the ultra-super-
           stupid rich with the great plastic surgery hang out), no.  The
           beaches blow the crap out of anything I've seen in Hawaii, though.
           Can't say about Ipanema, but Bahia and the Northeast are great.
           Mail me @zog.net if you want some pics.  -John
           \_ Pictures of women or pictures of the northeast?
              \_ Uh, I think there's a girl in a swimsuit on one of my pics
                 but she was kinda fat up close if I recall.  -John
        \_ http://www.ipanema.com
        \_ This is *THE* girl in "The Girl from Ipanema":
        \_ This is *THE* Girl from Ipanema:
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Helo_Pinheiro.jpg
           \_ EWWWW! What the hell was Tom Jobim thinking? Was he on drugs?
2006/11/7-8 [Uncategorized] UID:45238 Activity:nil
11/7    Dang, Allen over Webb in VA by a full 2 points (30K+ votes)
        with 72% counted.
        \_ 1/2 a percent with 85%
           \_ i dunno, the updated http://cnn.com exit poll has allen winning, which
              is kind of weird, since I thought I saw the same 1,986
              respondents when Webb was leading
        \_ Also in VA, an amendment to limit marriage to a man and a woman is
           passing 60/40.
2006/11/7 [Uncategorized] UID:45239 Activity:nil 54%like:45246
11/7    Dems projected to take house by at least 21 pickups, senate still
        in play.
2006/11/7-8 [Consumer/Camera] UID:45240 Activity:high
11/7    looking for an entry level digital slr camera.  canon eos
        digital rebel xt with lens selling at $590 with shipping.
        good deal?  thanks!
        i am new to slr camera.  i just want to get something
        cheap to start with.  will the price come down for
        thanksgiving?
        \- my one piece of advice: for similarly priced camera [like
           the entry level nikon dSLRs] rather than focusing on small
           technical details, pick on interface. things like location of
           exposure copensation or focus lock ... or does one camera have
           something on a 1-deep menu that another has on a 3 deep menu ...
           this stuff really ends up matting in practice. for example
           one of the really annoying thins on the Nikon D70 is dual
           purposing the ISO change button ... that is something i do a
           lot and it is annoying that if the preview display is active
           the button changes picture preview type. this stuff ends up
           mattering more than a few pixels here and there or other stuff
           that will be mostly a wash.
        \_ Nikon D70 or or the Rebel XT.  If you can afford it, get the 400D
           instead of the 350D, but there's no huge difference.  I don't like
           the Nikon's size.  More important:  get a decent lens (I have a
           350D with an 17/85) and a UV or polarization filter or something
           similar to protect it with.  The kit lenses are usually kind of
           crap.  If money's an issue, go for the lesser model with the
           better lens and a big memory card and shoot RAW.  As for the ISO
           button, I shoot in ISO 100 unless it's absolutely not possible, so
           YMMV.  If you want really specific info, http://dpreview.com  -John
           \- you do not get a polarizing filter to "protect" the lens:
              1. they actually do something 2. they are expensive. the kit
              lenses are going to be reasonable but not great ... they
              will have distiortion at the ends of the zoom range, but
              this is fine for entry level. for entry level photographer
              the most important thing is what encourage you to take
              lots of pix ... since you skill will be the "liming reagent",
              not the technical specs of the camera. [i am assuming the OP
              doesnt have that much photo experience. if you are
              an experienced photographer looking for a cheep digital,
              other criteria apply]. i also thing shooting RAW is a mistake.
              also i would get probably 1-2gb memory cards at the largest.
              you really dont want to put all your eggs in one basket
              when it comes to your pix ... and it's not like carrying
              3 cards is a lot of extra weight. cant give lens advice until
              the OP says what kind of photography is important to him ...
              but the kit lens is generally a cheep enough addition
              that it's worth getting.
              \- BTW, the comparison to the Rebel 400 is the Nikon D80.
                 also if you have a friend you can borrow gear from (lenses
                 typically), that can be a consideration for which camera
                 to get sometimes. if you budget is in the $600 range, these
                 may exceed that.
              \_ _You_ do not get a UV filter, I do. YMMV, let op do some
                 research.  Fair point on the D80, hence dpreview.  Do some
                 comparison.  I found the 17/85 a great general purpose lens
                 to start with, it's just a tip.  As for RAW, if he's getting
                 an SLR I assume it's for higher quality pics.  It took me a
                 while to figure out that shooting jpeg was pretty pointless
                 as I lost a lot of detail and color even highest settings--
                 just passing that on.  And I have two 2GB cards, I wasn't
                 talking about 16GB or anything likee that, probably should
                 have been clearer.  -John
                 \- you realize a UV filter != polarizing filter right?
                    yes, the lens protection filter is often called a UV
                    or Haze or skylight filter. Also a circular polar
                    will cause prolems if you have polarizing sun glasses.
                    I really like polarizing filters ... if you do plan to
                    shoot landscapes, i'd get a decent one. [and make sure
                    it doesnt vignette at 18mm ... although may not be an
                    issue on a dSLR]. as for shooting RAW, i think you are
                    better off braketing a lot than shooting RAW ... which
                    isnt to say cant do both, but i bet you arent ...
                    hundreds of giant files are pretty hard to deal with.
                    [how big are your RAW images?]
                    [how big are your RAW images? ... also RAW is not really
                    a format ... so it is unclear software will be able
                    to read it in 10years. canon RAW today isnt even canon RAW
                    of 5 yrs ago ... although i assume at a given point in time
                    canon-RAW is the same across the whole product line. but
                    i would think with a major platform like canon there
                    will be some software aroudn that can read/convert it].
                    you might want to google(raw, jpg, workflow). a lot of
                    people ahve weighed in on this.]
                    \_ Partha, you may have noticed I said "UV filter OR
                       pol filter."  My RAW are about 7 megs, which is, what,
                       35,000 photos on a 250GB drive?  Plus, CR2 is
                       handled very nicely by iPhoto, GIMP, and most other
                       non-stone-age photo tools.  As for bracketing, it takes
                       some practice to get the feel, and I've not found it to
                       be nearly as good dealing with haze.  OP:  You might
                       prefer to find a good photo store where they can advise
                       you, given what we posted.  I'd still look at dpreview
                       first just to get the skinny on all this crap.  I don't
                       know good stores in the SFBA, but http://bhphotovideo.com in
                       NYC is where I've gotten 2 cameras and they're great.
                       \- re: filter: you get a UV filter for protection.
                          nobody who isnt stupid gets a polarizer ... because
                          they are expensive and they will affect you picture
                          and you want the protection element to be as netural
                          as possible, while a pol will cost you some stops.
                          taking refuge in the "or" is like saying "you can
                          either get a UV filter OR a cow to protect your lens,
                          BUT the cow might now work as well." OP: bhphoto is
                          great. anybody significant cheeper than bh ... you
                          should worry about no free lunch. there are a huge
                          number of sleazy dealers so do some research if
                          price seems too good to be true. well if you
                          are up to using RAW, that's fine, but it's not a
                          no brainer. i'd distinguish between "settled"
                          info and personal preference when giving advice.
                          you might find some of the debates interesting BTW.
                          \_ Re. filter:  UV filter _is_ more neutral, but my
                             use of a pol filter is based on my own
                             experimentation.  As I said, YMMV.  I don't
                             notice much difference--you were aware that you
                             can adjust these, right?  Try turning the little
                             ring thingy, it's pretty cool.  -John
                             \- i wrote the mueller calculus software to
                                model polarimetry systems for NASA and was
                                one of the underpaid designers [along with
                                another ucb person] the polarimetry system
                                on http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu so yes,
                                i know how polarizers work. you might use
                                a CP opprotunistically as lens pro, but nobody
                                gets one as lens pro.
                                \_ Fine, that sounds more reasonable.  I got
                                   mine for about $120 (no drop-in.)  -John
        \_ The Nikon D50 and D70s have 1/500sec top flash sync speed.  this
           comes handy when you don't want to spend money on an external flash
           and you want to use the whimpy built-in flash to fill when shooting
           in sunny outdoor settings.  The higher and newer model D80, on the
           other hand, only goes up to 1/200sec.  Stupid.  -- yuen
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:45241 Activity:nil
11/7    Gay marriage bans win approval in 3 states. Conservatives rule!
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15613198/from/RS.1
        \_ Americans aren't ready.  One day we'll have domestic partner
           rights for the biologically gay.
        \_ But not in white Republican Arizona.  Strange.
2006/11/7 [Uncategorized] UID:45242 Activity:nil
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        Oh that felt good.  --democrat
2006/11/7 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:45243 Activity:nil 76%like:45246
11/7    Dems take house, senate in play.
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
        Oh that felt good.  --democrat
        \_ I was all set to be cautious about this, but Fox News says the same
           thing. Oh, what is that feeling? It's the ice breaking off my heart.
           What a long, bad trip this has been. --erikred
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45244 Activity:nil
11/7    wtf?  freeper thread says Dems will take Senate
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1734539/posts
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:45245 Activity:kinda low
11/7    What party are they counting Joe Lieberman as?
        \_ (I - Running for Secretary of Defense)
        \_ yeah, and he /says/ he will caucus with Dems for Senate majority
           \- and then he added "unless they dont honor my seniority
              perqs" ... which means that asshole is basically saying
              "if you try to punish me, i will punish you".
              \_ Even the Dems aren't that stupid.  They will give Joe
                 anything he wants so that the Dems can be in control.
                 \_ I hate him, i guess that makes me anti-sematic.
                    \_ And I hate him too, which makes me a self-hating Jew.
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45246 Activity:nil 54%like:45239 76%like:45243 50%like:45247
11/7    Dems take house, senate in play.
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        \_ I was all set to be cautious about this, but Fox News says the same
           thing. Oh, what is that feeling? It's the ice breaking off my heart.
           What a long, bad trip this has been. --erikred
           \_ Update: Freepers concede the House. Oh, it's so, so sweet.
           \_ Down goes Bush!  Down goes Bush!  Down goes Bush!  HAHAHAHA!
2006/11/7-8 [Uncategorized] UID:45247 Activity:nil 50%like:45246
11/7    +28 Dems in the house (231 - 204), Senate at 50 - 50 so far.
        \_ You mean 49-49
           \_ And heading for 49-51
              \_ In favor of the Dems.
2006/11/7-8 [Uncategorized] UID:45248 Activity:nil
11/7    FUCK YES! Lampson wins Tom DeLay's old seat!
        \_ I saw that loser DeLay on MSNBC this morning.  He looked like
           someone had shot his dog.
           \_ I'd shoot his dog.
2006/11/7-8 [Uncategorized] UID:45249 Activity:nil
11/7    jeebus, look at that 24-hr swing in Missouri
        http://csua.org/u/hej (tradesports.com)
2006/11/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:45250 Activity:low
11/7    whoa, Webb pulling ahead of Allen by 7,800 votes with 99.63% precincts
        did someone hack the voting machines, cuz exit polls say Allen should
        win by at least 1.5 points
        \_ Exit polls do not reflect absentee votes.
           \_ People also lie to pollsters.
        \_ ask Gore.  He will tell you everything about exit polls.
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