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| 2006/11/3-4 [Reference/Military] UID:45124 Activity:moderate |
11/2 Do modern fighter jets still have machine guns, or are they
mounted with missiles exclusively?
\_ true dogfighting requires canons
\_ true dogfighting requires cannons
\_ Why don't jet fighers have rear-facing machine guns? I think
it's useful for deterring the other guy from trying to shoot you
with their machine gun from your back. The apparent range of a
rear-facing gun should be longer than a forward-facing one,
because the air speed, hence air resistance, for the bullets is
lower.
\_ Guessing: targetting would be too difficult because the odds
of your enemy coming in straight behind you are very low
compared to your odds of lining him up in front. For that
tiny chance of a rear-facing kill you'd have to carry extra
weight, extra targeting equipment for rear-firing, etc, etc.
The big WWII bombers had room for all that but fighters, both
old and new, both jet and props are a different animal.
\_ On the other hand, I'm pretty sure the Russians played
around with rear-firing missiles.
\_ I think ever since Vietnam, when our F4's would run out
of missiles and then have no armament for shooting down
even more MIGs, all US jets have had cannons.
\_ M61A1/A2 Vulcan machine gun. NOT a cannon. Russians use cannons.
While a high-rate of fire, there is limited number of rounds
that can be carried before dry.
\_ What's the difference between machine gun and cannon? It's just
bigger bullets and smaller bullets, right?
\_ MG: Rat-tat-tat-tat-tat! Or in a modern super high rate of
fire MG: brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Cannon: thump! thump! thump!
\_ This may be the single best post on today's motd.
\_ Yup. Much more descriptive than rounds-per-second
numbers. :-) -- !PP
\_ I see. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:45125 Activity:nil |
11/2 How the hell did the world become so dependent on automobile?
\_ Ever own one? You can watch movies, listen to music, and
have your butt massaged in your own private space on your way
to where you want to go at (ostensibly) 120mph. It's a
wonderful invention! The problem is when there are too many
people with them in a given area. However, imagine you are
the only one with a car. Would you use it? Would you depend
on it? Hell, yeah! That's how!
\_ Cars = mobility. Mobility = opportunity. Most of the country is
not jam packed all day the way LA and SF are.
\_ The world? Not really. Not in third-world countires or densely
populated areas in developed countries. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45126 Activity:nil |
11/2 Congress terminates Inspector General of Iraq Reconstruction
http://www.csua.org/u/hd6 (nytimes.com) |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Health/Disease/General] UID:45127 Activity:nil |
11/3 Cancer Alicia addicted to lollipops
http://tinyurl.com/ybwlkr - danh |
| 2006/11/3 [Politics/Foreign, Reference/Religion] UID:45128 Activity:nil |
11/2 In what can only be described as a surprise move, God has
officially announced His candidacy for the U.S. presidency. During
His press conference today, the first in over 4000 years, He is quoted
as saying, "I think I have a chance for the White House if I can just
get my campaign pulled together in time. I'd like to get this country
turned around; I mean REALLY turned around! Let's put Florida up
north for awhile, and let's get rid of all those annoying mountains
and rivers. I never could stand them!"
There apparently is still some controversy over the Almighty's
citizenship and other qualifications for the Presidency. God replied
to these charges by saying, "Come on, would the United States have
anyone other than a citizen bless their country?" |
| 2006/11/3 [Recreation/Dating] UID:45129 Activity:high |
11/2 In what can only be described as a surprise move, God has
officially announced His candidacy for the U.S. presidency. During
His press conference today, the first in over 4000 years, He is quoted
as saying, "I think I have a chance for the White House if I can just
get my campaign pulled together in time. I'd like to get this country
turned around; I mean REALLY turned around! Let's put Florida up
north for awhile, and let's get rid of all those annoying mountains
and rivers. I never could stand them!"
There apparently is still some controversy over the Almighty's
citizenship and other qualifications for the Presidency. God replied
to these charges by saying, "Come on, would the United States have
anyone other than a citizen bless their country?"
Sarah felt her chest heave painfully whenever she jumped over
or a plant root. Her pants bound her thighs and made them chafe.
She lagged behind the others, deciding that it wasn’t worth
seeing the huntsman’s kill up close and personal. She felt sweat
dribble down her breasts and thighs. She placed her hand on her
chest to wipe it off; it throbbed with her heart. Her nipples
tingled with each beat. Her shirt was soaked; she could clearly
see the outline of her bra, and the curved outsides of her breasts
flowing over the edges. Her pants were now skin-tight, and the
very bottoms of her buttocks were squeezed out of the thigh holes.
Then she felt her foot hit something. She looked down and saw a
thick foot wrapped around it. She tried to stop, but it was too
late-she began to tumble foreword. Throwing her arms out, she
landed on all fours. Her upper body’s momentum caused her to
arch her back. With a ripping noise, she felt her bra give out,
the seams of her cups splitting and her breasts surging downward.
In the same moment, all of the buttons on her shirt snapped
off and buried themselves in the dirt, causing it to fall open.
Her breasts stopped inches above the dirt, bouncing and slapping
each other, slippery with sweat, and nipples engorged with blood
from her roiling arousal. She stared at them, then stood back up,
watching them pile on her ribs, wobbling and undulating very gently.
They stuck out several inches. She tried to close her shirt,
but there was, at the closest, a two-inch gap between both sides.
There was no way she was going to hide this. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45130 Activity:high |
11/3 Keith Olbermann on Bush and political manipulation:
http://csua.org/u/hd9 (rawstory.com, YouTube video)
\_ Just don't call them Brown Shirts...
\_ Unless you are a Conservative, then it is okay:
http://www.mrc.org/press/2006/press20061102.asp
\_ The mind utterly reels. OTOH, what a superb illustration of
the point: no nonsense is off-limits to the ultra-right.
[Edit: To be fair and balanced, yes, I understand that the
rhetoric of the ultra-left is silly and nonsensical as well.]
\_ They slip in a brownshirt comment at the end, but overall
they do have a point about Olbermann and the press in
general. Certainly Olbermann is a lunatic and has gone
way overboard. His little tirade about Bush being at
fault King Henry style for Stephanie Miller getting
death threats from some old crank or Olbermann getting
fake anthrax in the mail are simply insane. Why does
a lunatic like Olbermann get air time? It can't be
ratings because his suck.
\_ When you call the other > 50% of the population who
don't agree with you "lunatics", you're not making
a great case for the 30% of the population who
support your viewpoint.
\_ I'd *love* to see the URL that says 50% of the
population thinks Bush ordered a hit on Stephanie
Miller or to have Olbermann sent fake anthrax.
You are woefully confusing "will vote Democrat or
doesn't like Bush" with "think Bush sends Men In
Black out to threaten and kill people".
\_ You're either being purposefully obtuse, or you
did not listen to what Olbermann said.
\_ I did listen and I read it, too. Read what I
replied to because you don't seem to be
responding to what I said at all.
\_ Olberman said "you sir, of course, did
not order any of these things" but somehow
you heard the exact opposite. I kind of
wonder if it is he or you that is the insane
one.
\_ *laugh* nice way to pull half a line
completely out of context. Come back
when you've read the whole thing and
are willing to quote it for real and
stop playing rhetorical baby games.
\_ Just becasue someone disagrees with
you does not make them insane. This
might be something you should learn
so that others will take your ideas
more seriously. Many, many Americans
think that Bush is at least partially
responsible for coarsening the tone
of the debate in this country. You
obviously do not. But calling those
who disagree with you "insane" does
not help your case. At all.
\_ For those of us who don't think Fox is Fair or Balanced,
Olbermann does not sound like a lunatic. His outrage
(at this, at the mishandling of Katrina) is shared by
many of us non-lunatics.
\_ So you think Bush is somehow responsible for SM
getting a death threat from some old coot or
Olbermann himself getting fake anthrax or any of
the other things he ranted in that article's quote?
Katrina is an entirely different issue. If you'd
like to discuss that, it deserves a new thread.
\_ I think the President is responsible for fostering
an us-or-them partisan atmosphere where criticism
of the President is characterized as treason. The
President could rectify this by calling on his
supporters to behave like civilized human beings
instead of implicitly condoning this behavior by
remaining silent. That said, I doubt Bush has any
inclination to curtail these actions taken on his
behalf by unscrupulous loyalists.
\_ It went like this: Bush squeaks it out in
2000. Partisans start with the name calling
and various other stupidity. Bush makes
attempt to "work with the other party" by
letting Kennedy write the education bill.
Bush gets bashed by conservatives for being an
idiot trying to deal with Kennedy. Other
party continues endless bashing. Bush fumbles
around for a few years pretending it doesn't
exist which annoys his base. Bashing from
other party continues. Bush makes some weak
half hearted effort at hitting back. Bush is
Satan. As far as the details of this thread
go, I seriously doubt Bush even knows who
Stephanie Miller is and certainly wasn't aware
and didn't encourage anyone to send Olbermann
any fake anthrax. Nor do I believe Nancy
Pelosi is responsible for the various idiots
running around for years calling Bush, etc,
war criminals, among a long list of other
things, nor is Nancy responsible for the
soldiers who have been attacked and harassed.
\_ Not condemning the acts of lunatics is sort
of an implicit approval. Why didn't Bush
condemn the people who we're calling on
others to threaten federal judges who were
doing thier jobs? The democrats have never
been shy about denouncing the lunatics from
the left. Nor have they been shy about
apologising for thier mistakes. Where was
the apology over "Mission Accomplished"
banner as our troops still die? I'll
agree that both sides can get pretty crazy
at times but the democrats don't support and
encourage thier crazies. (at least nearly as
much as the republicans)
\_ So Bush is supposed to get on TV and
condemn the act of every idiot in this
country? Until yesterday I not only
had not heard that Stephanie Miller got
death threats I didn't even know who
Stephanie Miller was. I'm sure the
President's morning briefing includes a
section on nut-heads he has to apologise
for. That makes no more sense than
asking the Dems to apologise for Hinkley
shooting Reagan. You've stretched it way
beyond reason.
\_ Well, at least you are admitting your
ignorance. This is a start. Hint:
ever charge Olberman made about
every charge Olberman made about
political attacks against those who
spoke out against Bush happened. I
can provide you with evidence if you
wish, but we should probably start
another thread, becasue it is going
to be a long one...
\_ Um.. Whatever.
\_ Links were posted. Check the archives.
Sorry if reality doesn't fit your
world view.
Not any more than Bush, Rove, etc, is
responsible for the old coot with Stephanie or
Olbermann's fake anthrax. That sort of hate
filled lunacy has reached ridiculous
proportions on both sides. The worst part is
reading the anecdotal stories of people who
don't speak to their relatives anymore because
they vote for the other party, which ever that
may be. The hatred, all of it, is just
irrational. Thus I call Olbermann and anyone
who thinks like him a lunatic. It's just pure
blind hatred. The inability to see the flaws
in his left wing heroes while determining
without zero evidence that all ill in the
world is the fault of the political opposition
is simple insanity. --wordcount
is simple insanity.
\_ I love it. Condeming political violence
is just "pure blind hatred" in your world.
\_ Bzzt! Read comprehension--. Olbermann
isn't insane for being pissed off that
he got fake anthrax. He is insane for
blaming the President for it. Thanks.
\_ When the President takes his former
opponent's comments out of context and
distorts their meaning, how is that not
the very hate you're railing against? It's
base manipulation, and it shouldn't be
stood for on behalf of either party.
\_ I don't know what out of context quotes
you're refering to in this case but both
parties do it and I agree that it isn't
acceptable. Either way, to blame Bush
for Stephanie Miller's run in with the
crazy old guy is crazier than the old
guy. To blame Bush for his fake anthrax
delivery is equally insane. Olbermann
is a mad man.
\_ Um, Olberman did absolutely zero of
these things.
\_ Did you read his quote in the
mrc link? Are they lying? He
said them.
\_ They are lying by omission/
stupidity.
The full speech is online.
Find it, read it. Get back
to me. He did not "blame Bush"
for any of these things.
\_ I found it, I read it, the
answer is the same. He
blamed bush. It is right
there in the mrc link. Show
me another one that shows
the mrc link has pulled him
out of context.
\_ Yeah, I remember when Clinton was
President and the liberals threatened
violence against his critics and
mailed out fake anthrax letters
and called for the hanging of and
treason charges against anyone who
disagreed with him. Oh wait. None
of that happened, did it.
\_ WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?
\_ Now you're just paraphrasing
Olbermann's unfounded allgations.
It didn't happen under Clinton and
it isn't happening now under Bush.
I'm so investing in tin foil.
\_ Stupidity is never ok. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:45131 Activity:nil |
11/3 Go stanford! USC dr00ls!!!! who-=00000!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:45132 Activity:nil |
11/3 This latest meme floating around sounds like something I read
on best of craigslist:
http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bdorsey1/41docs/51-fra.html - danh |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Transportation/Car] UID:45133 Activity:nil |
11/3 To the guy who crapped in my parking stall last night...
http://vancouver.craigslist.org/rnr/213492593.html
\_ Removed. Mirror? -John |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Recreation/Stripclub] UID:45134 Activity:nil |
11/3 http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/15914427.htm Naked man arrested after pulling awl from rectum A police encounter with a naked man near the El Cerrito BART station turned into an arrest on suspicion of carrying a concealed weapon Thursday. Passers-by called officers about 7:50 a.m. to report that a naked man was lying on a tree stump beside the Ohlone Greenway path, exposing himself and masturbating. Police saw 33-year-old John Sheehan and arrested him on suspicion of indecent exposure. Officers led him to the nearest street, the 2000 block of Kearney Avenue. Before putting Sheehan in the back of his car, Sgt. Paul Keith asked him if he had anything on him that police should know about. Sheehan replied that he had hidden a screwdriver in his anal cavity, Horgan said. \_ "Mindful that a 6-inch metal awl wrapped in black electrical tape could be used as a weapon, officers kept their weapons trained on the 33-year-old." No one wants to get shiv'd with a poo covered awl. \_ That's 6 kinds of stupid. Judging by the location description he was practically in the middle of a parking lot, just yards away from a BART police substation. I like the passing-the-buck: Police: "Uh.. let's get the fire department" Fire Dept.: "Uh, send him to the hospital" ER Tech: "Oh teh noes! Pwn'd!" |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Politics/Domestic] UID:45135 Activity:nil |
11/3 Today's moment in Republican film:
When Sgt. Hartman made the comment about Pvt. Cowboy giving a man a
"reach around" the director stopped filming and asked what it was,
and Ermey very matter-of-factly told him. Kubrick broke out into
laughter and decided to keep it in the film.
\_ Kubrick was republican? I thought he was a brit.
\_ Kubrick was republican? |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:45136 Activity:nil |
11/3 I'm running Ubuntu and Firefox 2. What do I need to install
to watch the Daily Show clips on http://comedycentral.com ? - danh |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:45137 Activity:nil |
11/3 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263 Ok so the pastor admits to some unspecified version of events with the gay male prostitute and the gmp has turned over some voicemails to the press. It was pretty fishy the way it first came out but no real doubt in my mind now. It's just the details which I don't find that interesting since I assume the pastor's issue is that he didn't actually *pay* for sex or drugs in some twisted Clintonian version of the truth. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:45138 Activity:low |
11/3 Chevron and the big guys raised 80 million dollars to defeat
Prop 87. Too bad they can't give back some of that money
to the consumers.
\_ The fact that they already allocated 80 million dollars
translates to 80 million extra dollars the consumers will soon
have to pay at the pumps.
\_ When I lived in California, back in the late 90's, there were
propositions in the 200's. How come there is now a two digit
proposition? Did they reset the counter?
\_ It's a 10 year rotation. There was a time when the numbers
reset every single election.
\_ Cool, thanks for that tidbit.
\_ If someone was trying to reach into my pocket for $4B, I might spend
$80M to prevent it as well.
\_ They're a corporation. Their responsibility is to their share
holders not consumers. Prop 87 is stupid anyway.
\_ The fact that it specifically excludes itself from conflict of
interest laws is a little more than stupid IMO. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Health/Disease/General, Health/Eyes] UID:45139 Activity:nil |
11/3 After tech jobs, outsourcing now infests health care.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061102/ap_on_he_me/outsourcing_health
\_ Health care was destroyed the day the first HMO was born. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:45140 Activity:nil |
11/3 Please, please, please vote McClintock for Lt. Gov.
\_ I am: ..
No:
\_ Why? |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:45141 Activity:nil |
11/2 The patch is dangerous:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15526127
\_ The Patch is awesome. It made my girlfriend's breasts grow
from a large B to DDD/DDDD or something crazy.
\_ Uh yeah. Gosh, that's great for her. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Health/Men] UID:45142 Activity:nil |
11/3 For you John. Don't brag about your superior EuroAmeritrash penis,
it is considered rude in other cultures:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/10/31/cultural.etiquette
\_ No mention of penis size. |
| 2006/11/3 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:45143 Activity:nil |
11/3 "Gore to advise British on global warming"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061030/ap_on_sc/britain_global_warming_10
The funny thing is: I used a tabbed window in Firefox to open this
page a few days ago, then forgot to close it. Today when I brought
up the window again, I saw the tab displaying "Gore to advise British
on global war..." and I thought "oh no". |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:45144 Activity:nil |
11/3 http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/cory.lidle.ap/index.html NTSB reports dufuses Cory Lidle and flight instructor attempted wide U-turn from center of narrow East River corridor, and pushed along by a light wind, went right into the center of a 50-story condo bldg. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:45145 Activity:nil |
11/3 Thinking about joining a frat?
http://www.local6.com/news/10232497/detail.html |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Consumer/CellPhone, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:45146 Activity:low 62%like:45115 |
11/3 It's here. Cell phone SMS spams. Anyone having problems? How do
you deal with it? I'm paying 10 cents/message. Spammers
need to die.
\_ With Sprint the nice lady offered to block text messages, so I did
\_ But that also blocks non-spam text messages from friends or
alert from your server, etc. What they need to do is stop
charging for received messages and charge/increase fee for
sending a message.
\_ Carry a pager.
\_ I went to my Sprint account page, and I can configure "ACCEPT
ALL" or "BLOCK ALL" except a list of phone numbers, e-mail
e-mail addresses, and domain names.
addresses, and domain names. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:45147 Activity:kinda low |
11/3 "Gore to advise British on global warming"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061030/ap_on_sc/britain_global_warming_10
Open this page in a tabbed window in Firefox 1.5x, then check out the
tab to see the hidden message.
\_ Just tell us what it is. Why would I have 1.5x when 2.0 is out?
\_ I have no idea how tabs in 2.0 look like. In my 1.5.0.7, the
tab reads "Gore to advise British on global war...".
\_ You don't have nearly enough tabs. Mine says "Gore..."
\_ I only have two tabs, so my tabs are of the default width.
\_ Oh, I guess I'm too slow today. It does the same in 2.0.
Btw get 2.0. But the new tab close buttons are stupid. So
set browser.tabs.closeButtons to 3 in about:config. The
new buttons require you to hunt for them instead of being
fixed in the corner, besides being redundant (middle click
closes the tab). Basic UI mistake. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:45148 Activity:high |
11/3 Motd Poll:
- What did Haggard mean when he said he just received a "massage"?
Back massage:
Frontal massage / Hand job:
Oral massage of penis:
Massage of anal orifice:
All of the above:
He was lying, just like yesterday: .
\_ Couldn't you describe all sex as "massage"?
\_ Who is Haggard, why do we care if he got a "massage"?
\_ Haggard was the head of (I think) the evangelical
christian coalition for fighting gay marriage. His
gay gigolo/lover got tired of him being hypocritcal
and exposed him.
\_ He was also filmed for Jesus Camp, and he came across
as a total asshole (and we all thought he was gay).
\_ I didn't know pro-gay sex == pro-garriage. Seems
to me you could be pro-gay sex and anti-garriage.
\_ I didn't know pro hot gay sex == pro garriage. Seems
to me you could be pro hot gay sex and anti-garriage.
\_ Yeah, who's he gonna bone if all the gays get married?
\_ Except that Christians are supposed to be against
pre-marital sex.
\_ Except that Christians supposedly are against pre-marital
sex.
\_ If he was actually even religious, I bet he just
thinks gay sex is a sin. Christians like to think
of stuff as sin, but they think everyone sins all
the time anyway.
Turning the other cheek: . |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:45149 Activity:nil |
11/3 Was this real?
"Mozilla stomps IE": http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mozilla/stomps.html |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:45150 Activity:nil |
11/3 http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/gallagher/index.html So, CNN had (now removed) on its front-page a URL questioning the timing of the gay prostitute drug-dealer story. Are we going to have a story on the timing of Sunday's Saddam Hussein verdict? |
| 2006/11/3 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:45151 Activity:nil |
11/3 I can't log into any of the office machines, can someone reboot one
of them to a Unix variant? |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Recreation/Activities, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:45152 Activity:moderate |
11/3 Running Windows on the office machines, what is the CSUA coming to?
\_ Um, a LAN party.
\_ Does it feel good to betray your roots for a little fun?
\_ Haggard would agree that it felt good to betray his roots
for a little "fun."
\_ His "roots", indeed.
\_ His "root" indeed.
\_ Haggard was rooting his betrayer. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:45153 Activity:nil |
11/3 In my WinSock.h for v1.1 (dated 6/4/02), there is this line:
#define AF_FIREFOX 19 /* FireFox */
What is that??? FireFox socket address family?
\_ It is a hack MS put into the windows network stack back in '02 to
slow down FireFox network connections. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:45154 Activity:nil |
11/3 http://www.google.com/search?q=prop+87 http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=prop+87 If big oil companies are spending 80 million dollars on anti- Prop 87 which will cut their profit, let's help them spend some of that 80 million by clicking their ads. Click on the NoOilTax dot com link now! \_ You're kidding, right? |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45155 Activity:low |
11/3 http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/12/neocons200612 Leading neo-cons assume no blame for ideas, but blame Dubya admin for terrible execution (I can't decide whose pic is worse: Dubya's or Condi's) \_ Annie Leibovitz clearly knows what she's doing. -tom \_ Dubya's picture was taken with a wide-angle lens at close range. Either it was a lousy photog, or the photog did it on purpose. \_ It's Annie Leibovitz. It's on purpose. -tom \_ What Condi's pic? \_ page 3 \_ We know execution was terrible. There is little to dispute on that point. It is just a case of do you believe American power should be used to "right wrongs" around the world or not? Places like Darfur and *many* others can't be rectified by diplomacy so the choice is invade/attack or ignore genocide. Some philosophies say "screw em, not our problem, not worth our blood and treasure", the neocons disagree. If you're ok with the Saddams of the world and more Darfur genocide then you're not a neocon. /shrug \_ Iraq is not Darfur. As bad as Saddam was he wasn't slaughtering millions. \_ Millions aren't dead in Darfur either. Yet. 'Just' a few hundred thousand or so. Saddam was estimated to be killing about 5000 Iraqi's a *month* which was going on for how many years? There is little difference if you're only looking at body count as your measure to take action or not. \_ First, the number is probably being pumped up, just like everything else. Secondly, under *OUR* rule, we got about 100 guys killed EVERY DAY. that is almost 3000 Iraqis a MONTH. According to *YOU* even with the violance today, Iraqis *ARE* better off today than under Saddam. But for some weird reason, every poll conducted by every country has said otherwise. \_ The Neocons arguement has never primarily been humanitarian. They argue that our countries best interests are promoted by spreading democracy and "Western Values." The humanitarian argument is sort of tangential to this. And of course, the number of bodies is an important consideration in deciding if it is worth taking action. \_ I am not sure what this "Western Value" means. I think it really means "western value defined by US government." Frankly, I don't think Neo cons believe in Western Value themselves. This administration is by far most secretive and imperial administaration since Nixon. In terms of human right violations, they are rapidly approaching Eisenhoers and FDR's administarations. |
| 2006/11/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:45156 Activity:nil |
11/3 How much of this is conspiracy theory and how much has a basis in
reality?
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=17432
\_ Wasn't Bush criticized heavily after Katrina for NOT deploying
the Natl. Gaurd to keep order?
\_ Could he have deployed? National Guards are under states'
control, not federal, during peace time.
\_ Looks about 90/10 to me.
\_ Depends. Have you read the law? -John
\_ Yes. There are some interesting and perhaps scary things in here,
but they could also be viewed as overblown rhetoric. They could
also be "just in case" clauses added to prevent cockups like the
Katrina disaster. What I thought was particularly interesting was
the section towards the top that gives the President (and his
SecDef) the ability to administer the Oath of Office for military
officers. A paranoid mind could certainly draw references to
Hitler's consolidation of control of the military.
\_ Isn't the US President already the top supreme commander of
the US Armed Forces? How is the new law different?
\_ the President used to need the governor's consent to
federalize a state's guard forces |
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