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2006/10/25-27 [Transportation/Car] UID:44956 Activity:low
10/25   I have a friend who's going to Hawaii for honeymoon and they have
        5 days planned for Maui.  She'd really like to not rent a car but
        her frugal side also won't pay 80+ dollars per person per day for
        van tours.  Anyone know of any tours that are significantly cheaper
        or other alternatives?  Thanks.
        \_ Don't have an answer but what are some of the advantages of
           the different islands? I'm Hawaii dumb.
        \_ No car in Oahu, smart.
           No car in Maui, stupid. REALLY stupid.
           Tours... ugh, if you like being herded like a cattle, sure
           there are lots of them out there.
        \_ Your friend should go rent a car.  They are totally missing out
           if all they do is take stupid van tours which will cost way way
           more than renting a car anyway.  While there, they should go see
           the guy doing the magic show in town.  I can't remember his name
           or where it was but he's the only guy with a magic show on the
           island.  And yes, it will cost her a few bucks to get in the show.
           \_ The Magic of Polynesia with John Hirokawa is on the island
              of Oahu. Can you say OH-AH-HU? Oahu is not Maui. Oahu inhabits
              80% of the Hawaiians and is a great place to piss off newly
              weds. It raises blood pressure for new husbands who have to
              deal with their materialistic wives loves to shop at the mega
              Westfield, Gucci, Luis Vuitton, Tiffany, and exact same stores
              one could find at the mainland. If you have a materialistic
              wife and want to raise some blood pressure, go to Oahu.
              What are we talking about? Oh, the magic show. You're getting
              Oahu and Maui confused, you dumb fuck.
              \_ Hi!  Since I've been to Maui and never been to Oahu and the
                 guy I saw was definitely not Hirokawa, maybe you'd like to
                 come back and apologise for being such a complete asshole.
                 No, don't bother, your apology isn't worth anything anyway.
              \_ Here is the magic show I saw on MAUI, not OH-AH-HU.
                 http://www.warrenandannabelles.com
                 And amazingly, the site actually says the show is on MAUI,
                 and not OH-AH-HU.  How odd is that?  But being a dumb fuck
                 I was probably on OH-AH-HU and not MAUI so what would I know?
                 http://www.warrenandannabelles.com show was awesome.
        \_ Doesn't answer your question, but if they rent a car there are
           some really spectacular trips, like the Hana highway, the
           North circuit or up to Haleakala to watch the sunrise.  If they
           go around the South, they'll want a 4x4 though.  Seems like
           kind of a shame to miss this stuff to save a few bucks.  -John
           \- jeeze, it's a honeymoon which means 1. you have two people to
              split the costs over [or would have to buy two tickets in per
              person stuff] 2. you'ld think you'ld splurge a little ...
              trying to save money here is ridiculous. time is money and when
              you come home with amazing memories or photographs, you wont
              miss the cash. if you want to be frugal, eat cheep ... you can
              go out to nice dinners later [and found in hawaii is largely
              go out to nice dinners later [and food in hawaii is largely
              leem or poor price/perf] but take advantage of the unique
              opportunities in hawaii. the other money saving advice: dont
              buy stupid vacation souveniers which just take up space in
              your life. figure out what you want to do and then worry about
              transportation. fixing the transportation options and seeing
              what that lets you do is leem. --king of cheep travel
              what that lets you do is leem. i have a high tolerance for
              discomfort and generally travel quite cheeply, but you've got
              to know when to throw money at problems. you want to set a
              global budget perhaps [like we want to spend $2000-2500 instead
              of $3000], but on a vacation you cant try to optimize every
              step ... too much time overhead. --psb of maghrebia
              \_ She knows the car is really the best option for Maui in
                 general.  It's not the cost of the car she's worried about.
                 The groom's eyes have been really bad lately and she's not
                 a good driver, so she's worried about safety of driving
                 in unknown environment. -op
                 \_ If they can't drive well how the fuck do they get around
                    in California? Are they one of those immigrant drivers
                    who drive 50MPH on the 880/101 carpool lane?
                 \_ Driving there just isn't that hard.  They might want to
                    skip the Hana Highway if they're *really* bad drivers
                    but otherwise they should just get a car.
                    \_ Just drive slowly on the Hana highway.  It's pretty
                       tame but very very doable.  They might just want to
                       make sure to not do it after dark as it gets _very_
                       dark.  And I agree 100% with psb.  -John
        \_ Actually, car rental in Maui doesn't cost all that much. We've been
           paying an average of $30/day and as a rule of thumb, it's cheaper
           when you rent for a whole week. (e.g. you get 7 days for the price
           of 5 days. If she wants it cheaper, buy it as a package (with hotel
           and/or airfare). Hawaii is usually designed to be cheaper when you
           don't buy (airfare, hotel, car) separately.
           \_ If you friends are handicapped, why did you she is frugal?
           \_ If you friends are handicapped, why did you say she is frugal?
              BTW, how much did "they" spend on an engagement ring?
2006/10/25-26 [Transportation/Car] UID:44957 Activity:nil
10/24   We have a Jeep Wrangler because it was the most robust car we could
        find with high clearance and low center of gravity for a lot of the
        non-roads we end up on.  That said, I am surprised at the number of
        these I've seen while visiting SF, and am confused--they're
        mechanically cantankerous, uncomfortable gas guzzlers without much
        cargo space, and seem totally out of place on the mainly paved
        roads here--can someone explain this?  Doesn't parse.  -John
        \_ You obviously haven't seen a Jeep commercial, and if you did you
           didn't dig it. In either case you're totally out of touch with
           mainstream America.
           \_ Probably.  -John
        \_ Welcome to America, you've been gone too long.
        \_ #2 on top ten gay cars:
           http://www.channel4.com/4car/ft/feature/top+ten/1744/3
           \_ Are you one of those people who won't touch men's grooming
              products because they're gay?  -Gay John
2006/10/25-26 [Uncategorized] UID:44958 Activity:nil
10/24   http://www.spankbush.com
2006/10/25-27 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:44959 Activity:kinda low
10/25   Fedora Core 6 is out:
        http://fedoraproject.org/static-tmp/FC6ReleaseSummary.html
        \_ Anyone still use Fedora Core?
           \_ Why wouldn't they?
              \_ Because Ubuntu is a better and more popular distro?
                 \_ In what way is it better than RH/SuSE/Debian?
                    Will most commerical software for RH/SuSE run
                    w/o problems on Ubuntu, or do you have to do
                    a hack job to get it to work?
              \_ Because it's a bleeding edge product with an aggressive
                 EOL timeline and no real advantage over more stable
                 products like CentOS.  -tom
                 \_ Depends on if you use RHEL as your production
                    environment. If so, then it makes sense to use Fedora
                    Core on some systems if you are looking ahead. Ubuntu
                    and CentOS don't really fill that need. If you do not
                    use RHEL, then I guess you don't care.
                 \_ Many of my customers hesitated about deploying
                    on CentOS b/c they didn't really believe that
                    is was RH compatible. For some reason, the same
                    was not true of Fedora Core. They viewed it as
                    a way of testing stuff out on a pre-release of
                    RHEL.
                    \_ Exactly. The "for some reason" is that they both
                       are Red Hat products.
                       \_ So FC is a complete RH inhouse job like
                          in the old days (ie before RH9)? I thought
                          that it was spun off into the open source
                          "community" and that RH merely supervised.
                          \_ "The Fedora Project is maintained and
                             driven by the community and sponsored by
                             Red Hat, Inc."  From http://fedora.redhat.com.
                             One look at that web site should show that
                             you should not be running Fedora in any
                             production environment.  -tom
                             \_ Don't run in production != don't run
                                at all. As above, it's useful for testing
                                pre-release. FC basically ends up becoming
                                RHEL.
2006/10/25 [Computer/HW/Memory] UID:44960 Activity:nil
10/25   Anyone know if ACP-EP memory is a problem?  Looks like it's the
        least expensive where I am, but I don't have any idea of its quality.
2006/10/25-27 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:44961 Activity:nil
10/25   I recall there being a really quick easy perl way to do global
        replace from the command line, but I can't seem to quite get it
        right.  Something like:
        perl -e 's/pattern/replace/' file.txt
        Help?
        \_ I know how to do it with sed:
           sed -e s/pattern/replace/g file.txt > /tmp/output.txt
           \_ modern seds support perl's -i syntax as shown below:
              sed -i -e s/pattern/replace/g file.txt
        \_ perl -pi -e 's/pattern/replace/' file.txt
           (You need the -pi)
2006/10/25 [Uncategorized] UID:44962 Activity:nil
10/25   http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys
2006/10/25-27 [Recreation/Dating] UID:44963 Activity:low
10/25   http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/25/nyregion/26marriagecnd.html
        NJ's highest court rules 4-3 that same-sex unions are entitled to the
        same rights as heterosexual marriage, but leaves the name of that union
        ("marriage", "domestic partnership", etc.) up to the legislature.
        Dissenting justices correctly assert that same-sex couples are entitled
        to participate in state-sanctioned civil marriage.
        \_ I guess I don't understand why thegays are in a tiff about this.
        \_ I guess I don't understand why the gays are in a tiff about this.
           I mean marriage _is_ a historical concept, as is all of the
           terminology associated with it.  Of course gay couples should have
           the same rights and privileges, but why do they think legislation
           should manage "repurposing" of traditional terms?  Do they think we
           should legislate away the terms "husband" and "wife"?
           \_ Marriage has legal as well as social meaning.  You are free to
              any social meaning you want, but if the legal term is marriage
              it should be the same legal term for both.  Would you have a
              problem with the government getting out of the "marriage"
              bussiness entirely and just having a blanket civil partnership
              setup?  Seems the easiest solution to me.  -aspo
              \_ Totally. -pp
                 \_ I agree as well, but I think that's because we're all
                    unsentimental libertarian geeks.
                    unsentimental liberarian geeks.  To the extent that
                    marriage can be interpreted as a religious instutution,
                    the government has NO business ever getting involved in
                    that.  To the extent that it's just providing infrastructure
                    for two people to form a legal contract in regards to
                    things like hospital visitation and wills, I think most
                    Americans are ok with allowing that for gay couples
                    at this point.
              \_ Yes. The gubamint had better start getting its act together
                 and protecting our family values by outlawing deviancy like
                 garraige, abortions and evolution. Otherwise, hellfire and
                 brimstone like soddom and gommora will surely be visited on
                 this sinning land.
           \_ ob "separate but equal"
              \_ ob distinguishable from Brown.
                 \_ i don't think so, but it does need to go to SCOTUS
                    \_ The Brown plaintiffs had the weight of the 13th,
                       14th and 15th amends. behind them. Those amends.,
                       esp. the 14th were passed primarily for the
                       purpose of preventing the States from engaging
                       in discriminatory behavior against a particular
                       class of of people, a class of people of which
                       the Brown plaintiffs were members.
                       No such claim can be made wrt gays. The 14th
                       was not passed for their benefit or to right
                       wrongs the States had visited upon them. Even
                       under Carolene Products, it is hard to argue
                       that gays are a suspect class who are in need
                       of special court protection b/c they are unable
                       to avail themselves of the political process
                       and therefore they ought to be protected by
                       the 14th (thus rendering Loving, &c. inappl-
                       icable.)
                       Barring a 14th amend. claim, I do not see the
                       basis for fed intervention in a purely state
                       law issue.
                       \_ "separate but equal" & 14th must be tested in SCOTUS
                          as it applies to gay marriage. i'm not sure whether
                          carolene or loving really help you that much.
2006/10/25-27 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44964 Activity:nil
10/25   So I'm reading about the recent law passed that takes
        away Habeas Corpus from non citizens.
        Was there a huge plague of non citizens clogging up our courts
        with their petitions?
        \_ url?
           \_ Really?  You didn't know George W Bush just signed into
              a bill denying the right of any non citizen we arrest
              from filing an appeal of their detainment, one of those
              'basic rights under the United States Constitution' things?
              Fuck.
              \_ The USSC made the exact opposite ruling regarding Germans
                 and Japanese held off shore during WWII so this isn't that
                 shocking an event.
                 \_ Are you refering to Korematsu or some other case?
              \_ No I didn't know that. And I was asking for a URL
                 for the text of the bill, not a news story.
                 \_ Ask Google, no time to help you today.
              \_ I didn't realize the US Constitution applied to random
                 people in other countries.
2006/10/25-27 [Recreation/Dating] UID:44965 Activity:nil
10/25   bra rant that replaced motd wiped.  motd restored.
        \_ Ok, I want to know what I missed.  Next time put it in a tmp
           directory or something so people can read it.
           \_ ob"Oh my breasts are so big and my bras don't fit and blah
              blah blah".  You missed nothing.
        \_ What is the deal with the bra rant, anyway?  Is it some g-mag
           letter or something?
                \_Best thing about having enormous breasts:
                  Having an enormous erogenous zone in an easy to reach place.
                  Worst thing about having enormous breasts:
                  Having a very sensitive area in an easy to reach place.
                  http://flickr.com/photos/oliviamiao/279221151
                  \_ Huh?  All I see is some hot boobs in a white sports bra.
                  \_ Huh?  All I see is hot boobs in a white sports bra.
                     Here's a similar one:
                     http://flickr.com/photos/oliviamiao/260259968
                     \_ I like http://static.flickr.com/53/152151238_1829c26dd2_o.jpg
                        more
                  \_ No idea but replacing the motd with it was not cool.
2006/10/25 [Recreation/Dating] UID:44966 Activity:nil
10/25   Argh, I don't know what to do. I've been dealing with so much hassle
        for more or less the past 6 months, trying to shop online for bras,
        dealing with sizing issues, returns, exchanges... now it's to the point
        where I ABSOLUTELY NEED new bras, as I have ONE that, while not being
        the right size, is close enough that I can wear it. I NEED more, though,
        because even that one is pushing it. It's more than two years old and
        starting to fall apart.

        There was a sale going on with Lane Bryant's Cacique bra line. I ordered
        a few in 30 G... in most bras, a G is slightly too big. In three of the
        bras I ordered, I was hanging out of it majorly. To the point where I
        don't even know if an H will fit me. I'm going to exchange them this
        weekend if I can. One of the ones I ordered, also in a 30 G, fit pretty
        well. Not perfectly, but considering the dire NEED I'm in, I decided to
        keep it and wear it. Well, in the week and a half I've worn it, it's
        gone from being slightly too snug in the band on the loosest hooks to
        suddenly barely being tight enough on the tightest band setting. How is
        that POSSIBLE? I looked at the bra, and it didn't look stretched out,
        but now I constantly have to tug it down in the back.

        ARGH.

        I am just SO FRUSTRATED right now. I need bras that fit and I need
        them NOW. I shouldn't have to deal with this. I WANTED something cute,
        something that I'm not embarrassed to be wearing, but at this point I
        should probably just return the Lane Bryant bras, go to the one store
        in town that has decent bras in my size, the store that's run by the
        creepy lady who barges in on me in the fitting room, and get one of
        the utilitarian Goddess ones that I HATE because it's the only thing
        they carry. At least then I'll have SOMETHING. Even if they're ugly
        and uncomfortable, at least they're something I can try on in *gasp*
        an actual STORE, and know that they probably won't magically stretch
        out.

        Sorry, I know this is a little bit angsty, but I just kind of need to
        blow off some steam with people who understand.
        \_ Where is this coming from?  Is this some old penthouse letter or
           something?
2006/10/25 [Uncategorized/German] UID:44967 Activity:nil
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2006/10/25 [Recreation/Dating] UID:44968 Activity:nil
10/25   Gawd, http://cnn.com is the ONLY site of all the major media outlets to
        give a misleading headline:  "Same-sex marriage wins state battle"
2006/10/25-27 [Recreation/Dating] UID:44969 Activity:kinda low
10/25   Doing research on hot female teacher, young male student molestation.
        Is there a comprehensive list of their names and/or URLs?
        \_ Niiiiiiiiiice
           \_ Nice. Nice.
        \_ Nice.
           \_ Nice. Very nice.
        \_ someone already beat you to it
           http://moonagewebdream.blogs.com/moonage_webdream/2006/04/debra_lefave_pa.html
           http://tinyurl.com/yz6atw (moonagewebdream.blogs.com)
           \_ Beat him to... asking for a list?
              \_ doing research on hot female teacher molestation
           \_ This dude needs to put down the Celine and the crack pipe --
              his blog entry is unreadable.
           \_ Debra Lefave (sic) and Pamela Rogers Turner are hot.  Mary Kay
              Letourneau and Sandra "Beth" Geisel are not hot.
        \_ WND's been following them for some time--hot or not:
           http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52172
2006/10/25-27 [Recreation/Travel] UID:44970 Activity:nil
10/25   We just went to Oahu for 5 days for only $748. Two roundtrip plane
        tickets AND a 2 star hotel that was only 3 blocks from the beach.
        I got the $1200 package that was on discount for $848 on Expedia,
        and also got an instant $100 rebate that was posted online. Total
        trip excluding food and entertainment was $748. Nice deal.
        \_ 2 star hotel? Is that like a Motel 6?
           \_ No. It was a cozy little place and it felt more like a 3
              star hotel. Clerks treated you like a family member.
           \_ Stars are not the definitive guide to hotel quality--they
              also, depending on the ratings group, take into account things
              like size, handicapped accessibility, a restaurant (no matter
              how crappy), etc.  I've been at 2-3 star places that blew
              away 5 star business hotels.  -John
2006/10/25-27 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:44971 Activity:nil
10/25   LaTeX question: How do I scale a tabular envornment or a table to
        an arbitrary height and width? Using \resizebox seems to work if
        one of the dimensions is !, but it doesn't seem to work right if
        I specify both dimensions. Thanks in advance.
        \_ Explain more? "Resize"? Smaller/larger? Scale what's inside?
           Put more white space in?
           \_ I have a tabular environment that I would like to scale to
              a size of exactly x inches wide and y inches tall.
              \_ scale fonts or not? If not, where do you want the
                 whitespace?
2006/10/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Finance/Investment] UID:44972 Activity:nil 66%like:44988
10/25   http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/30/8391806
        Revolt of the fairly rich
        \_ Because they can best see the broken promises of the prior social
           order where "go to school, work hard = good retirement".
2006/10/25-27 [Consumer/TV, Recreation/Media] UID:44973 Activity:nil
10/25   dish network or directv?  yes/no and reasons for why.  okthx
        \_ neither. If you can't download torrents of your shows, they're not
           worth watching anyway.
           \_ UR s0 K3WL!!11  1 1uv U ]<3\/\/1 p1r8 g1ze!11  ]<@/\/ 1 B leik U?!!!
        \_ No real difference.  Get the one that has the channels you want
           at the cheaper price.
        \_ Dunno about dish, but my parents have directv and I swear that
           after midnight every other channel is paid programming.
2006/10/25-27 [Uncategorized] UID:44974 Activity:nil
10/25   http://www.warrenandannabelles.com for a great magic show on Maui.
        If you're going to Oahu I don't know any shows there.
        \_ Question is, you can watch magic shows anywhere. Sure, some might
           be better than others but no matter how good it is, why in the
           world would you blow a trip to Hawaii to watch a magic show?
           \_ Because you're not blowing a trip to Hawaii to watch a magic
              show.  It is one of the many things you can do while there.
              What were you planning on doing every night for a week on Maui?
              It isn't that busy a place at night.
              \_ I don't know. What type of things do couples do at night?
                 But if the obvious doesn't come to mind, there are plenty
                 of things. Watch the sun set, attend a Luau (if you're
                 fortunate to be invited to one), walk down Lahina at night,
                 gaze at the stars on an island where the skies are actually
                 clear, or just plain sleep early. The thing about Hawaii is
                 that everything closes and opens early. If you plan on
                 going windsurfing at 1pm, you might be out of luck. That's
                 my opinion.
                 \_ Yeah and in a week long trip I'm sure they couldn't find
                    3 whole hours (including dinner) to catch the whole show
                    one night.
              \_ I was planning on doing yermom every night.
2006/10/25-26 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:44975 Activity:kinda low 97%like:44987
10/25   In Syria, Iraq's Fate Silences Democracy Activists
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/25/AR2006102501893_pf.html
        \_ I can't seem to find this URL...?
2006/10/25-27 [Recreation/Computer, Recreation/Humor] UID:44976 Activity:low
10/25   Rush thinks it's funny to make fun of Michael J. Fox by miming his
        movements:
        http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/25/olbermann-gives-us-the-visual-to-limbaughs-attack-on-michael-j-fox
        \_ Rush is a Republican.  Of course he's evil!  You don't need any
           evidence.
           \_ obFollowTheDamnLink
              \_ No reason to follow the link.  Evil!
        \_ Has Rush dropped his whole Compassionate Conservative shtick
           (that he ripped off from Michael Savage, BTW)?  I never hear
           him mention that anymore.  It must be too egregious, even for
           Rush.
        \_ Just the ravings of a junkie.
2006/10/25-27 [Recreation/Humor] UID:44977 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto
10/25   http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/86dd
        The Ex Knife Holder
        Category: Humor
2006/10/25-27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:44978 Activity:nil
10/25   My new favorite built in feature of Firefox 2.x:
        Edit->Preferences->Main->
        When Firefox starts: (drop down menu)
                             Show my windows and tabs from last time - danh
2006/10/25-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44979 Activity:nil
10/25   How far is 1 lap around Martin Luther King Junior High
        track in Berkeley?  thanks. - danh
        \_ Trust no one.  Measure straight sections with laser rangefinder
           measure radii also, compute distances.
        \_ if it's a standard track, it should be a quarter mile (400m)
           \_ This is what I have been told.  How do I know if it's a
              standard track? - danh
              \- the dwight derby track is THE STANDARD ... you can
                 calibrate to it.
        \_ It is a standard high school track.  Likely 440yds, not 400m
           (high school track events are by/large still in yds/miles)
           \_ 440 yards = 402 meters.
        \_ Having attended MLKJr.H.S. I can tell you it is *not* a standard
           size, due to issues with the size of the available space.  When we
           would run a mile, we were supposed to do 4 laps, plus about 2/3
           the length of a straightaway.
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