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2006/10/19-21 [Uncategorized] UID:44864 Activity:nil
10/18   Queen Elizabeth is looking for a sysadmin:
        http://news.com.com/2102-1014_3-6127178.html?tag=st.util.print
        \_ Here's your chance to find out what/who really killed Princess
           Diana.
           \_ What do you think happened to the last SysAdmin? Ask no
              questions!
2006/10/19-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:44865 Activity:nil
10/18   Flashplayer 9 Beta for Linux is out:
        http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/beta_is_live.html
        \_ Excellent.  My last obstacle to migrating to linux was the ability
           to play dice wars and see youtube.
2006/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:44866 Activity:kinda low
10/19   The Chron endorses Schwarzenegger.  So have they been drifting to the
        right like someone on motd claimed about the LA Times?
        http://tinyurl.com/yyv3xs (sfgate.com)
        \_ The Chron is a Hearst newspaper; Hearst was a Nazi sympathizer.
           They've been solidly right ever since Hearst bought the paper
           and spun off Brand Ex.  They publish Debra Saunders for chrissakes.
           -tom
           \_ If you think the Chronicle is right-wing, do you think The
              People's Weekly World is centrist??
           \_ I'm convinced that the entity that signs "-tom" is a bot, and not
              a person.  No one could be that far out of it.
           \_ I usually agree with tom, but the Chron appears to be less right
              wing than any other major paper that I read, and I read plenty
              of them.  They are right wing if right wing means they have
              slashed the number of reporters so their coverage consists
              of who is responsible for large potholes, lame ass political
              gossip columnists, giant FOOD and WINE sections, and plenty of
              international and national coverage bought from wire services.
              Just because they print Pat Buchanan, Victor Hansen, Saunders,
              and plenty of cranky letters from old farts in the suburbs
              does not by any stretch of the imagination make the
              Chron right wing.  If you want a real right wing paper, read
              the new Examiner, their stories and editorial page have a
              a clear right wing less government evil liberals slant.  I don't
              expect you to though since it is a small, free paper in SF now
              that I doubt gets much readership.
              \_ Personally, I think that the issue of left/right bias with
                 respect to the SF Chronicle is beside the point.  That paper
                 would be a little dissapointing for a middle-American city of
                 100,000 people.  For one of the major cultural, scientific,
                 technological, business, shipping and artistic centers of
                 the U.S., it's a fucking disgrace in just about every way.
        \_ Its all part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Its the same
           conspiracy that is preventing the media from covering the
           "hundreds" of non-random acts of violence perpetrated by the
           "Bush Brownshirts" against dissidents nationwide. Basically,
           the rich conservative people who control the media don't want
           the namby-pamby, high tax, big government democrats to get
           elected b/c democrats would put an end to media consolidation
           by putting anti-consolidation, pro-local media diversification
           people in charge of the FCC, which would lead to lots of
           competition that would hurt big media's monopoly on the info-
           rmation. Information wants to be free! The Tru7h is Out There!
           RUN LINUX! RIDE BIKE!
           \_ did dubya or mr. rove teach you teh strawman?
              \_ it's called humor.  try it.  you might like it.  -someone else
              \_ it's called humor.  try it.  you might like it.
                 -someone else
        \_ once again, it's too bad the editorial staff didn't make a
           reference to the gropinator keeping his hands to himself
           as a plus
2006/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44867 Activity:moderate
10/19   Guys, I need your help to come up with this "Troll of the day:"
        Why today's Iraq is Republican's philisophical utopia?
        - democractic
        - small central government that governs the least
        - right to bear arm   (AK47, RPG, and IED)
        - emphasis on family value (adultry punishable by death)
        - no evolution is being taught in school
        - religion is fully interwined with government institution
        - full "personal responsibility" for average citizens
        anything else that can be added?
        \_ flat tax?  deregulation?  free trade?
           \_ Republican doesn't believe in free trade, though.
              tarrif on steel, agricultural subsidies, you name them all.
        \_ the best trolls are spelled properly.  try again.
           \_ What about chicom troll?
           \_ your sense of humor is worse than my spelling
        \_ man, i was hoping i am being funny, sigh.... op
           \_ It IS pretty funny, you just need to package it
              in a comic or something. Keep up the good work!
2006/10/19-11/7 [Recreation/Dating] UID:44868 Activity:high
11/7    I don't know how computer savvy you guys are, but I need some help.
        I'm still growing, and the bras I currently own are starting to give me
        double boobs. The store I get my bras at have bands that only go down to
        a 32 (I'm a 30) and I'm tired of getting a 32H that rides up my back.
        I need a 30 I (well, bigger now, I guess, since the 32H didn't used to
        give me double boobs and now it does).  Normally I'd dig a bunch of the
        links you guys have posted in the past and go to them for some shopping,
        but I can't. So, here's where the computer part comes in.  I'm using
        my church's proxy to get online and they have a very conservative
        blocking system that not only blocks porn and mp3 downloading sites,
        but also any random sites that they consider "tasteless" (this is the
        word they use...but they don't supply the reason why they consider it
        as such). And you guessed it, online stores that sell bras are blocked
        under the "lingerie and swimsuit" category. So I can't shop for those
        kinds of things through our proxy.  Does anyone know of a free proxy
        I could use so I can shop for new bras (and swimsuits)? The proxy I'm
        using blocks any sites that list free proxies so I can't go find them
        myself. (And no, I can't ask them to unblock stuff...I've tried and they
        won't, even for a clothing necessity.)  Thanks in advance, even if none
        of you can help me. At least an encouraging comment would be nice if
        you don't have any ideas.
        \_ So you presumably believe that your god created your breasts, and
           that your god is responsible for the human mind that figured out a
           good way to support those breasts...and yet these people who claim
           to speak for that same god clearly have no respect for either.
           It's time to think about leaving this religion.  Now.
           \_ because I've been with only one bra that fits for quite a while
              now, I've forgotten if this is normal. I've been slowly loosing
              weight and my current bra, a 30HH, seems to be a bit tight.
              I've found that when I bend over I can fit easily place my entire\
              fist between the band of my bra and my skin. There is no
              stretching of the bra at all, I can just slide it in.
              also I find myself pulling it down quite often.
              I've always been a 28 until this sudden weight gain last year,
              but now that I moved into the church and I'm not eating
              at the DC anymore [and thus eating better], I've already lost
              five pounds. Was five pounds really enough to make me go down a
           \_ because I've been with only one bra that fits for quite a
              while now, I've forgotten if this is normal. I've been slowly
              loosing weight and my current bra, a 30HH, seems to be a bit
              tight. I've found that when I bend over I can fit easily place
              my entire fist between the band of my bra and my skin. There
              is no stretching of the bra at all, I can just slide it
              in. also I find myself pulling it down quite often. I've
              always been a 28 until this sudden weight gain last year, but
              now that I moved into the church and I'm not eating at the DC
              anymore [and thus eating better], I've already lost five
              pounds. Was five pounds really enough to make me go down a
              band size? And if this is the case, what size would I be?
              I've looked at various bra wizards online and imput my
              measurements and they all say I am a 36H, however, I've never
              fit into a 36 in my life, they're far too big. I've only had
              the aforementioned bra a couple of months and it wasnt until
              mid-August that it was the only one I was wearing. and currently
              I'm on the tightest hook.  what's the deal?
              mid-August that it was the only one I was wearing. and
              currently I'm on the tightest hook.  what's the deal?
        \_ Email the local sheriff with the address of your church so they can
           free you from your cell. Or better yet, go the local library or
           Internet cafe and surf from there. Seriously, you don't need a
           free proxy, you need to move.
        \_ If this is a troll - well done! If not, please tell me the "Korean
           Baptist church" isn't Berkland...
           Baptist church" isn't Berkland... But as far as trying to be
           helpful, do they block sites like J. Crew or Banana Republic? Some
           of those stores may sell bras, and I know many "Korean Baptists"
           at least used to wear stuff J. Crew and BR. Another option is the
           smaller yahoo stores and such or even ebay. -former ABSKer
           \_ I think it's kind of interesting that both you and OP take it
              completely for granted that brick and mortar clothing stores
              are dead.  Are brick and mortar clothing stores going out of
              business?
        \_ Please post pics so the experts on the motd can help you find the
           right size.
           \_ let me know if you want more pictures of me.
              this is from last night
              http://i11.tinypic.com/44jt1si.png
           \_ google "doctor sausage"
        \_ I'm waiting for the 80 column nazis to delete this.
           \_ Reformatted just for you -formatd
              \_ Really it was an invitation to delete it because it's a
                 troll.  Do you have any idea how *incredibly huuuuge* a 30I
                 is?  This is either a troll or someone desperately needs a
                 breast reduction because she's going to have severe life long
                 back problems.  Most women are looking 'full' at C, large at
                 D and need a strong support bra at DD.  An "I" would be
                 possible only for someone very heavy (but then they wouldn't
                 be size 30), someone who had surgery and went waaaay
                 overboard, or a mutant.  And anyone that big would already
                 know exactly where to get specialty bras because they'd need
                 to have known years ago as they shot past DD.  The Christian
                 Church thing was just there to bait the "we hate xtians, you
                 need help!" types as a sort of trollerific bonus.
                 \_ How are CSUA geeks supposed to know how big 30I is?
                    \_ obdanddjoke
                 \_ I-cup in Japan measurements are much smaller (still big,
                    though) than the I-cup in US.  Check out these porn stars
                    and sex idols who claim they have Japanese I-cups: Ayaka
                    Fujisaki, Anna Ohura (natural), Rei Hirona, Harumi Nemoto
                    (natural), Sakurako Kaoru (natural), Alice Hoshi, Nozomi
                    Takeuchi.
                    \_ Ok, sure, different countries measure differently.  I
                       didn't see where the OP said she was using Japanese
                       measurements.  Does being Korean automatically imply
                       that?
        \_ This has to be one of the best engineered trolls I've ever seen
           on the motd.
        \_ OK, Assuming the poster is not trolling and means Japanese sizes,
           Japanese I-cup looks about like US D-cup.  My girlfriend swears
           by Title-9 bras.  They have a physical store around here somewhere.
        \_ Regardless of original troll/not-troll:  use TOR for this sort of
           thing.  Either that, google for free proxy.  -John
2006/10/19-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44869 Activity:low
10/19   http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2585531
        N Korean general in charge of demilitarized zone tells Diane Sawyer
        that nukes are for self-defense only, and that N Korea does not have
        a relationship with terrorist groups.
        \_ so what?
           \_ exactly.  japan also announced it won't be building nukes, and
              china says it will just be conducting more vigorous inspections
              of border traffic than usual.
        \_ Why would you take anything a N.K. official says at face value,
           esp. when told to the U.S. media?
           \_ because available data suggest that this face-to-face meeting
              may be providing the relatively accurate current posture.  it's
              beyond obvious NOT to trust a NK PR statement by itself.
              \_ uhm, what data?  i thought nk was incredibly closed and we
                 know nothing about what is going on?
                 \_ data == china and U.S. strategy
        \_ in a strict sense, having a nuke IS for self-defence.  N.Korea
           is under constant threat from USA.  Given USA's policy of regime
           change and all, N.Korea knew it is on top of the list.  I don't
           like N.Korean regime anymore than you do, but I can certainlly
           understand where they are coming from.  In a way, there are times
           I wish USA would do more, including
           - come up with a post-war plan for the first time
           - give assurnace to China that all refugees can be transfered to
             USA
           - etc, etc.  only under such conditions, China might turn off the
             tap.
             \_ Why would we accept 20 million N Korean refugees?
                \_ if you want to be tough against N.Korea, you need to
                   accept that as part of the cost.  Right now, Both Americans
                   and Japanese are being a chicken hawk who want to see the
                   collapse of the regime, but don't want to deal with the
                   consequences.   I think we all know what is like to
                   topple a regime without any nation-building effort by now
                   no?
                   \_ It depends on how the current government falls.  If there
                      is a coup then the old guard is executed or (rarely)
                      exiled and life goes on with maybe a few policy changes
                      and a foreign diplomacy "reset".
             \_ Isn't the natural place for a North Korean refugee to go if
                NK disintegrates South Korea?  I don't know that much about
                Korean politics, but I've never met a Korean who didn't want
                a unified peninsula.
                \_ they all say that but non of them really want to pay the
                   price of absorbing N.Koreans right now.
             \_ Unlike the refugees after the Vietnam war, there is no British
                Hong Kong to actually absorb most of them this time when the
                US claims that it'll accept them.
2006/10/19-23 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:44870 Activity:nil
10/19   http://csua.org/u/h9g http://csua.org/u/h9h (sfgate.com)
        Bay Area home prices fall on a year-over-year basis for the first time
        in four years (dot-com bust era).  Notice houses (not condos) in Santa
        Clara and SF make strong gains in exception to Bay Area trend.  Notice
        also that when considered separately, both houses and condos increased
        in price (fun with statistics).  For a real housing hard landing see
        San Diego County, year-over-year loss of 4.4% for Sep.  ob Swami sux.
        \_ Is 4.4% really that hard after all the up of recent years?
           \_ i guess if you bought at the high with a neg am.  also, SD has
              been pretty steady for two years (since 3Q04).
              http://csua.org/u/h9i (latimes.com)
              CA mortgage default notices now 45% of 1996 Q1 peak
              \_ Were they still doing the super crazy loans at the peak?
                 I know 3-7 years ago they were doing all sorts of wild
                 stuff but I thought that slowed down a lot in the last 2-3
                 years.
                 \_ Credit has been looser than ever over the last 2-3
                    years. You are out of it.
                    \_ ob yermom joke
2006/10/19-23 [Uncategorized] UID:44871 Activity:nil
10/19   Has the Bay Area economy improved, or have more people moved in than
        out?  I noticed that the morning commute on San Mateo Bridge west-bound
        has become more busy these days compared to earlier this year.
        \_ Anecdotal so take it with some salt: I turned off my resume on the
           job sites (monster, etc) about 2 years ago and deleted it a year
           ago.  In the last few months I've had *many* desperate recruiter
           types call me out of the blue offering jobs from their many years
           old copy of my resume from their private database.  YMMV.
2006/10/19-23 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:44872 Activity:nil
10/19   Anyone using a TeraStation or similar product?
        http://www.buffalotech.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=97
        How well do you like it?
2006/10/19-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44873 Activity:nil
10/19   Sometimes humor comes in small, elegant, zen-like packages ... Seen
        on cnn's ticker recently: "Rice in Asia"
        \_ Not long ago the names of the three most powerful men in the
           country were Bush, Dick and Colen.
2006/10/19-23 [Uncategorized] UID:44874 Activity:nil
10/19   Why would someone call their company Piece Of Sh*t Troller?
        http://www.postroller.com
2006/10/19-23 [Health] UID:44875 Activity:nil
10/19   Unprovoked attack of elderly man by a Sting Ray. Crikey! Steve
        Irwin was just the first step in their plan to take over the
        world:
        http://tinyurl.com/y45mck (sun-sentinel.com)
        \_ one inspired sting ray
        \_ Unprovoked? That stingray was preemptively striking against a
           threat to his species! He had a right to defend his species'
           interests! That man had WMD!
           \_ Totally provoked, people have been killing stringrays in
              revenge:
              http://tinyurl.com/f6ey3 (newsvine.com)
2006/10/19-23 [Recreation/Humor, Recreation/Media] UID:44876 Activity:nil
10/19   The latest MMORPG WoW South Park is totally funny! Watch it now!
        "I am socializing artard. I'm logged on to an MMORPG with
         people from all over the world and getting XP with my party
         using teamspeak."
2006/10/19-24 [Uncategorized] UID:44877 Activity:nil
10/19   Is there a big intersection between poseurs and yuppies?
        \_ Yes.  c.f. The Mission District
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