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2006/10/14-16 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:44820 Activity:high
10/14   Bush Brownshirts attack gallery owner for displaying
        contriversial art:
        http://www.capogallerysf.com
        So one of the Bush supportes on the motd claims that this was
        a "hoax." Do you seriously believe that this woman broke
        her own nose as a publicity stunt?
        \_ 1) Go read this for what the real brown shirts did:
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_broken_glass
              If you read that you might learn something.
              By slapping "hitler!!!" on every trivial event you only make
              yourself sound like Chicken Little and an ignorant idiot.
           2) A single isolated event does not a conspiracy make.  Here are
              two more isolated events that prove nothing:
                  http://tinyurl.com/uqkjy (icayrshire.icnetwork.co.uk)
                  http://tinyurl.com/y4aqqt (http://www.king5.com
              \_ It was hardly a single isolated event. That was the one
                 in *San*Francisco* that I was aware of. This kind of thing
                 was repeated hundreds of times all over the country. It is
                 to bad you think that a random gang attack on an unfortunate
                 soldier on leave is somehow equavalent to calculated
                 political violence intended to intimidate and silence
                 \_ So you have a problem with equating two acts of violence
                    against individuals (neither of which were state-
                    sanctioned) but you have no problem with equating a single
                    act of violence with the systematic state-organized
                    round-up of Jews? Okay, this is obviously a troll here.
                    Everybody move along...
                 your opponents. By the Bush Adminsitration standards, the
                 attack on the gallery owner was in fact terrorism, but you
                 will never see the GOP go on record as opposing their thugs.
                 The second attack "baby killer" one, is reprehnesible too.
                 \_ This kind of thing was repeated hundreds of times all
                    over the country? Really? Where is the proof? If this
                    is really happening, I guess the vast-right-wing
                    conspiracy that controls the media is covering it up.
                    \_ No, it was all dismissed as some local rowdy. It
                       just isn't "news." Just like the soldier that got
                       beaten up, it was never widely spread. You must
                       not get out of the Bay Area much.
                       \_ I see.  It has happened everywhere but no one knows
                          about it because it has been covered up by the VRWC.
                          Ok.  We're done here.
                       \_ So basically this is an organized campaign of
                          terror that has been skillfully disguised by
                          the Bush Brownshirts to look like a bunch of
                          random acts of violence by some local loony?
                          Well, I guess the people behind the coverup
                          of the alien presence at Area-51 needed some-
                          thing to do after X-Files went off the air.
                          The Tru7h is Out There!
           3) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/controversial art is
              going to elicit unwanted and sometimes violent responses from
              idiots.  I don't think someone should have punched her nose in
              for hosting some pictures of Abu Graib but with 300 million
              people in the country I'm not surprised she found one nut.  Is
              there a guy in jail for it?  That's what our system does with
              violent nuts.  Does 1 idiot mean we're on the road to a brown
              shirt night of broken glass?  No.  Come back when you have some
              sense of history.
              \_ No one was punished for the act of violence.
                 \_ Probably because there wasn't an act to investigate.  She
                    didn't conce.
                 \_ Probably because there wasn't an act to investigate.  She
                    didn't cooperate with police so how are they supposed to
                    do their jobs?  Cop magic?  Or was it a conspiracy of The
                    Blue Shield to stand in the way of Progressive Art?  I've
                    changed my mind.  I'm not done here, this is getting fun.
           4) You diminish what really happened to real people who were truly
              innocent by casually flipping Nazi terms at people and seeing
              conspiracy where there is none.  I don't actually expect you to
              get a clue here but it cost me nothing to try.  Please carry on
              with your tinfoil idiocy and abuse of history.
              \_ Beyond wikipedia articles, people who want to know more about
                 what really happened in Germany during the rise of Nazism
                 should read Mein Kampf.  I think that finding elements of
                 mass behavior in today's society that are slightly similar
                 to that of pre-Nazi german behavior is not always crazy, but
                 comparing almost anyone to Hitler is almost always crazy.
                 Fortunately, that man was unique.-!OP
                 should read Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich.  I think that
                 finding elements of mass behavior in today's society that
                 are slightly similar to that of pre-Nazi german behavior is
                 not always crazy, but comparing almost anyone to Hitler is
                 almost always crazy.  Fortunately, that man was unique.-!OP
                 \_ The rise of Nazism was due:  1) the over-
                    representation of Jews in the leadership of the
                    Weimar republic which most Germans viewed as
                    profligate and destroying traditional German society
                    and 2) the overwhelming presence of Jews among
                    the Bolsheviks and their involvement in the Russian
                    revolution which led to the slaughter of millions of
                    Russians.  I imagine most Germans wanted to avoid
                    a similar revolution there.
                    and 2) the disproportionate presence of Jews among
                    the Bolshevik leadership and their involvement in
                    the Russian revolution which led to the slaughter
                    of millions of Russians.  I imagine most Germans
                    wanted to avoid a similar revolution there.
              \_ So your contention is that this is okay because what these
                 guys did was not as bad as what Hitler did? Okay, strange
                 stance to take, but I guess that is where you stand.
                 \_ No, it is not OK to punch someone in the nose because you
                    don't like their art.  Nor is it ok because it doesn't rise
                    to Hitlerian levels of violence.  See point 3.  Thanks.
        \_ Um, Bush Brownshirts? So you are claiming that the President
           sanctioned this attack? Or that the President would refuse to
           enforce criminal sanctions against those who perpetrated the
           attack, if the SFPD and the DA were to bring charges against
           them?
           \- http://www.cafepress.com/ipa_politics.14449333
              \_ A mouse pad proves Bush sanctioned this alleged attack and
                 hundreds of others no one heard of?  Can one of you investing
                 types please tell me how to get into metals futures?  Thanks.
                 \_ It does, however, prove that you have no sense of irony.
                    \_ It isn't irony.  It's a mouse pad.  Maybe you needed
                       the translation from German to see the lack of irony.
                       \- which bring us back to metals. --man with the iron
                                                           mouse pad
                          \_ aren't you concerned it will rust?  i suspect
                             "rusty mouse pad" is not covered by your dell
                             support agreement.
        \_ It was a hoax:
           http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1151762/posts
           \_ It's worth noting that the freeper posts in this thread do not
              offer any support for the alleged nose-puncher.
              \_ This one sure does though:
                 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1144565/posts
                 \_ I'm not saying you're wrong, but would you mind
                    a pointer to a particular post?  I don't feel like
                    scrolling through 5 pages of "hee haw!" for that.  -John
                    \_ The Truth IS Out There, John.  You just have to open
                       your eyes!  --Mulder
                       \_ If finding the truth involves sifting through
                          pages of idiots, I'll stay ignorant!  -John
                          \_ You are getting so area 51 abduction black
                             helicoptered.  Then you'll believe.  --Mulder
           \_ Maybe the Bush Brownshirts were too busy to attack her
              that day b/c of all the "hundreds" of other attacks they
              had to carry out (not to mention all the media outlets
              they had to silence), so she took it upon herself to help
              them out and attack herself.
              them out and attack herself. Even if she hadn't faked it,
              it might possibly maybe have happened on its own at some
              indeterminate time in the future when the Brownshirts
              weren't so busy. So even if she faked it, its just as
              good as if she had actually been attacked by the Bush
              Brownshirts.
2006/10/14-17 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:44821 Activity:nil
10/14   Harry Reid seems to have quite the history of shady land deals
        http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2685
        \_ you know it really seems like Harry Reid's land scandal
           is pretty boring stuff.  I try but I just can't get that
           excited about it.
           \_ yeah corruption and graft is pretty boring.  if only he'd nailed
              an intern or page then we'd get excited about it.  but abuse of
              office for personal gain?  pfah!
        \_ From this website: "We know the Dems want to surrender Iraq to Al
           Qaeda, tear down our most successful defensive monitoring efforts,
           and supply lawyers to terrorists now in jail."
           Yawn. If you're going to troll, couldn't you at least get creative?
           \_ So because you don't like some of the opinion, you reject the
              stated facts?
              \_ The Internet: A hundred million sources, a few thousand
                 citations. In the face of overwhelming noise, guilt by
                 association sticks.
2006/10/14-16 [Uncategorized] UID:44822 Activity:nil
10/14   Timelapse video of the Aurora Borealis:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIXs6Sh0DKs
        \_ Wow, Thanks, that is really cool! I'd love to see that
           in person some day.
           \_ Better learn to sit really still and control your perception of
              time.
2006/10/14-16 [Recreation/Dating] UID:44823 Activity:high
10/14   Motd too dull.  What percentage to poeple on the motd generally tip a
        prostitute?
        \_ Only if she's a real cow.
           \_ moo!
        \_ You don't tip a hooker a "percentage" of anything.  Your payment
           is the "tip."  Could be $100 - $150 in a massage parlor.  Could
           be $300 - $600 in Vegas, depending on the quality of the girl.
           Could be 50 Euros for a suck-and-fuck in Amsterdam.
           \_ Quality of the girl?  Is there a grading standard?  Maybe some
              FDA approved process?  Or would that be FEMA working with DHS?
        \_ I'm very against paying women for sex.  It is just completely
           immoral and wrong.  Women should be paying ME for sex.
           \_ Fine.  How much do you expect them to tip you?
              \_ Tipping is optional, of course, but how about $10/orgasm?
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