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2006/10/12-13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:44780 Activity:low
10/11   How do you save youtube vidoes?
        \_ search with ^vidoes^videos
        \_ When I put that into google, I got tons of useful links.  Maybe you
           should...STFW.
        \_ I know how to save it.  I just don't know how to play it back.
        \_ how do i save it in my browser?  there's a lot of ways
           tha tdepend on external websites.
        \_ I figured it out.  In Firefox, use this bookmarklet:
           http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/video-bookmarklets.html
        \_ http://keepvid.com
        \_ Uses external website.  above bookmarklet better solution
2006/10/12 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:44781 Activity:nil
10/11   Dear root, what's the possibility of upgrading spamassassin to
        something more recent?  I think we are running 3.1.0, which is
        released on Sept 2005.  The most current is 3.1.6 on Oct 2006.
        As a side note, anyone getting a lot of spam with an image and
        a bunch of "randomish" words after it.  sa-learn is obviously
        not doing a very good job to learn this kind of spam.
2006/10/12-13 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:44782 Activity:nil
10/11   Star Wars characters USB thumb drives:
        http://tinyurl.com/kjg53 (gizmodo.com)
2006/10/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:44783 Activity:kinda low
10/12   So given that Schwarzenegger is going to win reelection, how do you
        plan to vote?  As a conservative who thinks R's are now useless and am
        interested in securing the border, I'm going to be voting for the
        Libertarian candidate, Art Olivier (electart.com). -emarkp
        \_ God, emarkp, don't you get it?  the issue is illegal immigration,
           not border security!   right now border is not secure because
           there is a huge incentive for them to get acrossed without much
           downside.   To REALLY address the problem, we need to either
           remove the incentive, and/or increase the disincentive.
           If you REALLY want to solve the problem, PUNISH THE EMPLOYERS
           SEVERELY for hiring illegal immigrants.  *BUT* that is against
           the core GOP's platform of corporate welfare.    The entire
           issue of "illegal immigrant" is actually an issue of "corporate
           welfare,"  as corporations can exploit cheap labors without mandated
           benifits, and push the cost of illegal immigrants to the government
           (schools, emergency care, etc).  If you want a sensible immigration
           policy, then, write your GOP congressman and push for punishment
           for the employer.   If you just want to use this issue to win
           elections, just keep secure the border, then.
                                kngharv, bitter legal immigrant
           \_ Now is the time for the Invisible Hand to point out that if the
              U.S. didn't spend so much effort imposing unfair trade agreements
              on Mexico which destroy the livlihoods of Mexican farmers there
              would not be so much motivation for people to migrate north
              and this problem would be much smaller.
           \_ FYI, I'm currently working on a research project re
              employer punishment statutes for my con. law prof.
              He is concerned that one possible challenge to these
              statutes is that the states lack the power to enact
              them b/c any enactment related to immigration is
              exclusively w/in the power of the fed. gov, therefore
              the states, even in the absence of fed. action, lack
              the power to act in this field.
              I'm not sure, but I think that the states can argue that
              in the absence of fed action (or expressed inaction), they
              can enact these laws, even though they are related to
              immigration policy.
              \_ If you're a law student then surely you know about the
                 10th Amendment. I don't think the Constitution mentions
                 immigration at all. Correct me if I am wrong. Therefore,
                 this is a matter for the States.
                 \_ Under Art I, Sec 8 cl 4 Congress has the
                    power to "establish an uniform rule of
                    naturalization." This power has been viewed
                    very broadly by courts to touch on all aspects
                    of immigration law and policy. In addition,
                    Art I, Sec 8 cl 3 and Art I, Sec 10 further
                    limit what states can do in the field of
                    foreign affairs.
                    Since the Const. has expressly delegated
                    the immigration and naturalization power to
                    Congress, the 10th does not apply.
                    Even if the immigration clause didn't exist
                    there is a STRONG argument under US v. Curtis-
                    Wright Corp. that the regulation of immigration
                    is a power so closely tied w/ national
                    sovereignty that the states are barred from
                    acting in that area.
                    Also re the 10th - it is basically useless.
                    Also re the 10th - it is basically meaningless.
                    All it says is that powers not delegated are
                    reserved. Well, if the power was not delegated
                    it would necessarily be reserved. In addition,
                    the 10th does not require EXPRESS delegation.
                    Implicit delegation is also sufficient. As in
                    Curtis-Wright, it only applies to powers that
                    the states actually had before the Const. If
                    the states didn't have the power, then it can't
                    be reserved.
                    the states (or the people) didn't have the power,
                    then it can't be reserved.
        \_ I plan to vote in my home state, where we don't even have a
           governator.
        \_ You could do what my friend did and bake a lot of muffins
           and go to the borderand hang out with the Minutemen
           \_ If I lived further south, I would.  But I was asking about the
              election. -emarkp
        \_ Who cares.  Schawarzanegger is going to win.  The Propositions
           are more interesting.  What do you feel about Prop 90?
           \_ There's an election or something soon right?
        \_ I'm voting for Schwarzenegger, even though I think that the
           GOP on a national level is really messed up. I think that
           by supporting sane GOP candiates like McCain and Ah-nuld,
           we can rid the party of the wackos.
           \_ What principles of the GOP platform do you think the gov.
              believes in? -emarkp
              \_ Who gives a shit anyway. a) 3rd parties can't win. b) with
                 two parties, political values only loosely map onto the two
                 candidates we get stuck with. Sometimes I wish we were
                 parliamentary like the Euros. But then the fundies would
                 probably have even more power.
                 \_ a) is incorrect at the state level.  The examples that
                    come immediately to mind are Jesse Ventura and Loell
                    Weicker.  Not common, but not insignificant either.
2006/10/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44784 Activity:nil
10/12   http://www.csua.org/u/h67 (Yahoo! News on 10/10):
        'China's U.N. Ambassador, Wang Guangya, told reporters: "I think that
        there has to be some punitive actions.'
        http://www.csua.org/u/h68 (Yahoo! News on 10/12):
        'Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said North Korea
        should understand it had made a mistake but "punishment should not be
        the purpose" of any U.N. response.'
        \_ There is a fundamental differences between Japan/US and
           China/S.Korea.  Both Japan and US want the N.Korean regime collaps,
           China and S.Korea doesn't simply because they don't want to deal
           with the refugees.  Besides, China got a big party coming up
           (Olympics) they don't want N.Koreans to ruin the party.
           American policies toward N.Korea is actually not much different
           from Iraq:  regime change without any plan for post-war
           planning and nation building.   Everyone talk about punish N.Korea,
           but China's concern is that if we tighten the screw just a little
           bit more, the regime might collaps and millions of refugees would
           flood across the Yalu river.  China's consideration is more
           practical, yet Neocons and China-haters on motd kept painting this
           as some sort of ideoogical fight.  Unless you are prepared to
           occupies collapsed N.Korea (when I say you, I mean S.Koreans and
           Americans) and feed the people and help S.Koreans to absorb the
           rest of N.Koreas, keeping the regime as it is is probably the best
           thing we can do right now.   and for those who don't have any
           sense of history:  It is not a good idea for China to occupy
           N.Koreas.  Koreans will deeply resent that, take my word for it.
           \_ This is like saying the Soviets should have been kept in
              power because no one wanted to deal with the Eastern bloc
              refugees.
           \_ Wow.  I was just pointing out the fact that official statements
              from the same government two days apart contradict to each other.
              If you think this is the way to get practical, okay.
           \_ Wow.  How could I have staged an ideological fight when the other
              party claims that North Korea should AND should not be punished?
              Whichever side I'm on, the other party agrees with me!  I was
              just pointing out the fact that official statements from the same
              government two days apart contradict to each other.  If you think
              this is the way to get practical on issues, okay.  --- OP
2006/10/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:44785 Activity:nil
10/12   is there a live IRC feed of transcript or close captioning of
        CNN or Fox or something like that?
2006/10/12 [Uncategorized] UID:44786 Activity:nil
10/12   \_ Who cares.  Schawarzanegger is going to win.  The Propositions
           are more interesting.  What do you feel about Prop 90?
2006/10/12-14 [Reference/Military] UID:44787 Activity:nil
10/12   http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/sports/baseball/08yankees.html
        Flight instructor who died with Cory Lidle:
        "Part of Stanger's job is to surprise students by simulating
        emergencies. He will pull the throttle to the idle position,
        essentially letting the plane coast as if the engine were failing."
        CNN:  "No confirmation that plane issued mayday call before hitting
        high-rise"
        \_ "The whole plane has a parachute on it, ...... But if you're up in
           the air and something goes wrong, you pull that parachute, and the
           whole plane goes down slowly."  What?  Is that just a metaphor?
           \_ No, the plane has a Cirrus Aircraft Parachute System that lowers
              the whole plane to the ground.  Questionable effectiveness,
              one person got crushed vertebrate, another was flying too fast
              and the chute ripped off, another was in a death spiral and
              the chute didn't operate correctly
2006/10/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/RealEstate, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:44788 Activity:kinda low
10/12   Why do numbers in some street addresses have so many digits?  There are
        only ten houses on the one-block dead-end street in Fremont that I live
        on, but the numbers start at 34000.  On the other hand, street numbers
        in the Bay Farm area in Alameda only have two or three digits.
        \_ IIRC, numbers don't repeat in a given "line", so if you find the
           next street before/after that cul-de-sac that's roughly in a line
           w/ it, the numbers will continue that way.  I have a similar deal.
           I'm on a relatively long st. w/ a 4 digit address, but the 10 house
           cul-de-sac around the corner is 5-digit, because it points the
           direction of the rest of the (fairly long) city.
        \_ some address numbering trivia.  There are a number of long streets
           running through Orange County which go through multiple cities,
           each with their own numbering scheme.  Usually, it's not a source
           of much confusion since most cities cooperate.  But there are/were
           small stretches (like < 6 blocks) in unincorporated areas of the
           county which are on the county numbering scheme -- usually 5 digits
           instead of the 4 digits that most cities use/used.  Yeah, that's
           fun trying to find an address -- 3340 3350 3360 27400 27420 3520 ...
           \_ In Florence (Italy), numbers run in disjoint blue (residential)
              and red (commercial) sequences.  So you can have 1 2 3 4 1 5
              6 2 7 3 4 8 and so on.  -tom
              \_ disjoint is not really the right word.
              \_ How do you tell which sequence it is from the address on an
                 envelop?  Are people required to write/print with red and blue
                 ink?
                 \_ Dunno, maybe they just do "R15" or something.  -tom
                    \- on an envelope or otherwise you write ###r if it is
                       "rosso". Stendahl's famous novel "The Red and the Black"
                       is about a fight between people with red and blue/black
                       addresses in Florence, which he wrote after having a
                       breakdown there trying to find the right address.
                       YMWTG(stendahl syndrome, florence).
           \_ All I gotta say is "Japanese Addressing Schemes" particularly
              say in Tokyo or Kyoto.  Street numbers are picked on totally
              an arbitrary basis many times -- family tradition, good luck,
              numerology, whatever.
2006/10/12-14 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:44789 Activity:nil
10/12   On a dual-processor PC, the two CPUs can concurrently run one thread
        and one interrupt handler, or two interrupt handlers.  Can a dual-core
        processor PC and a hyperthreading processor PC do the same things?
        Thanks.
        \_ Dual-core is basically dual processor sharing the same socket, so
           I don't see why not.  Hyperthreading is weird, I dunno.
2006/10/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44790 Activity:low
10/12   GOP hit squad goes after poor innocent Harry Reid in brutal political
        hit design only to destroy a good man's reputation.  </sarcasm>
        http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061011/D8KMO6NG0.html
        \_ The "reporter" who "broke" this is John Solomon.  This is the
           third time he's written hit pieces on Reid with no there there.
           \_ Is this the same guy who wrote a story on Reid about him
              going to a boxing match when he was boxing commissioner...
              in Nevada?
        \_ So his name was thrown around to push through rezoning and he hid
           the sale.  So far this doesn't seem _that_ bad.  (vs. championing
           a bill that would increase the value of his property, as Hastert
           did)
           \_ As a leader of his party (and I don't care which) he or any other
              party leader should be held to a higher standard, not lower nor
              should the crimes of others (such as stuffing $10k wads in your
              fridge) make this sort of 'alternative ethical lapse' ok.
              \_ Agreed. Let him step down as leader of his party, and let
                 Hastert resign as a poltician. This would be commensurate
                 with their respective crimes.
                 \_ If he wasn't a leader I'd say the same thing.  They should
                    all go.  Corruption of any sort to any degree is *not* ok.
                    Kick out all the so-called 'career politicians'.
                    \_ Preach on, brother! Clear Bush/Cheney out of the White
                       House!
                       \_ If you're going to troll at least put some effort in.
                          \_ No troll! I'm right behind you! All corrupt SOBs
                             out, startng at the top!
                    \_ Both parties are equally corrupt, they just have
                       different patrons. For the GOP it is Big Oil and
                       the military-industrial complex, for the Dems it
                       is the Unions and Blacks.
                       \_ "Blacks" are a patron?
           \_ My favorite part is that he hung up the phone when asked about
              it.  That's classic.
2006/10/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:44791 Activity:nil
10/12   US Election Assistance Commission finds little evidence of fraud
        at voting polls.  Most voting fraud apparently occurs through
        absentee ballots:
        http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20061011/1a_lede11.art.htm
        \_ So they didn't find stuffed ballot boxes... who said they would?
           Now, where does it say they didn't find evidence of or the potential
           for manipulation of Diebold voting machines?
        \_ Just in time for a story about recently found fraudulent voting
           registration applications by a Democrat group:
           http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/10/11/ap3084684.html
2006/10/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:44792 Activity:nil
10/12   http://csua.org/u/h6f (tradesports.com)
        Futures trading on Mark Warner as Dem '08 Pres candidate.  Can
        you guess what happened?  You're right.
2006/10/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:44793 Activity:nil
10/12   http://csua.org/u/h6k (dailymail.co.uk)
        Head of the British Army says "our presence in Iraq exacerbates" the
        "difficulties we are experiencing around the world", says should
        "get ourselves out sometime soon".  Also calls for UK soldiers to
        recover in military wards, and laments decline of "Judeo-Christian
        tradition" in UK and rise of Islamic extremism.
        \_ I love how he manages to blame (apparently secular) liberalism for
           the horrible state of British affairs.
        \_ so he wants the uk to go isolationist and pray to jesus?
2006/10/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44794 Activity:nil
10/12   http://csua.org/u/h6i (latimes.com)
        http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/12/iraq.main/index.html
        Libural media receive their just deserts - all 13 males at Baghdad TV
        station shot with weapons muffled by silencers (two females let go).
        Gunmen pulled up in six cars resembling police vehicles at 7am, some
        wearing police uniforms.  Neighbors and nearby guards heard no gunfire.
        "That there were no holes or cracks in these glass dividers which
        means that the executioners are professionals, not ordinary killers"
        \- gee, at least anarchy is temporary
           \_ so's life.
2006/10/12-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44795 Activity:nil 50%like:44747 66%like:44758
10/12   motd boob guy says
        http://www.imagebeaver.com/view.php?mode=gallery&g=62047
2006/10/12-14 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:44796 Activity:kinda low
10/12   Who needs science?  Just try and execute people who disagree with you!
        http://epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=264568
        \_ Of course what he said as stupid, but lest you shrug off the guilt
        \_ Of course what he said was stupid, but lest you shrug off the guilt
           factor here a little bit... there probably are one or two people who
           honestly believe global warming is a myth, but the vast majority of
           those who louds profess that are doing it for personal gain.  So
           those who loudly profess that are doing it for personal gain.  So
           we've got people whose words and actions have a potential to cause
           millions of deaths a year through inaction on greenhouse gas
           abatement programs, and they're doing it for personal gain.  We have
           no system for trying people for such a thing, but it's something to
           think about.
           \_ One or two people?  And the vast majority of this one or two are
              in it for personal gain?  While the GW-is-real crowd has nothing
              to gain from this and do it from the pure goodness of their
              hearts and love of Mother Earth?  And anyone who dares challenge
              dogma should be tried and executed.  Ok.  At least you're honest
              about it.  I'm pretty sure there used to be a time when science
              was based on the whole concept of conjecture->hypothesis->theory
              ->proof thing with a healthy dose of debate and challenge at
              each step of the way but I guess that has become annoying.  Trial
              followed by execution is so much easier than proving something.
              \_ Yes, and there was debate.. and it's over.  What about the
                 "healthy debate" over the second law of thermodynamics and
                 devices that defy it?  It doesn't exist because one or two
                 quacks don't make a debate.  Likewise one or two tools of the
                 oil industry don't make a debate.
           \_ As opposed to the vast majority of scientists who depend on grant
              money which is affected by fads and fear-mongering?
        \_ Tell you what: anyone caught denying global warming despite knowing
           otherwise who denies it solely on the basis of making a buck ought
           to be shot. How's that for clarification?
           \_ It's honest but you still need help.
              \_ You're right: I'll never get all these people shot by myself.
                 Here, load this.
2006/10/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:44797 Activity:nil
10/12   Harsh reaction to shoplifting:
        http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/12/BAGVBLO7EE8.DTL
2006/10/12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:44798 Activity:very high
10/12   Give me a reason to not vote NO on every
        single Proposition on the ballot.
        \_ Because "no" really means "yes."  -Mike Tyson, Kobe Bryant, William
           Kennedy Smith, Arnold Schwarzeneggar, and John Mark Karr
           Kennedy Smith, Arnold Schwarzeneggar, and John Mark Karr (don't
           forget Bill Clinton)
           \_ Two of them are related.  Coincedence?
              \_ Mike Tyson is related to John Mark Karr?!?!?
2006/10/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:44799 Activity:nil
10/12   "Study acquits sun of climate change, blames humans"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060913/sc_nm/environment_sun_dc
2006/10/12-13 [Science/Disaster, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44800 Activity:nil
10/12   Someone posted on 8/21: "And btw, where are all those GW caused storms
        and hurricanes we were promised?"
        Here is the answer: "The El Nino has already helped make the Atlantic
        hurricane season milder than expected, said a forecaster for the NOAA."
        http://www.csua.org/u/h6m (Yahoo! News)
        http://www.malaya.com.ph/sep21/agri1.htm
        http://www.sabcnews.com/sci_tech/science/0,2172,134819,00.html
2006/10/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:44801 Activity:nil
10/12   Found a book: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/laf/219756369.html
2006/10/12 [Recreation/Humor, Reference/Law/Court] UID:44802 Activity:nil 80%like:44803
10/12   HANS:
        http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/so-i-married-a-kernel-programmer
2006/10/12 [Reference/Law/Court, Recreation/Humor] UID:44803 Activity:high 80%like:44802
10/12   HANS:
        http://tinyurl.com/jlbjp (geekz.co.uk)
        \_ I find these in poor taste and, worse, unfunny.
2006/10/12-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:44804 Activity:low
10/12   Sometimes in XP, it won't let me change the name of a directory
        because it says it's being used by another program, despite the
        fact that it's not.  Aside from waiting and trying again or
        rebooting, is there a way to reset things so that XP will let me
        change the name of the directory.
        \_ Use something like WhoLockMe or Unlocker to determine what
           has it open.
        \_ There are a ton of tools including the above, both GUI and CLI, that
           will tell you what program has a lock on a file/directory.  You'd
           be surprised how grabby some stuff is in windows.
        \_ Oftentimes an iisreset (type iisreset at run) will work.  -scottyg
        \_ WinXP is right in that *some* program has an open file handle, you
           just don't know which one.  I reccomend Unlocker: it can show you
           the offending program and file, and stomp the file handle.  I avoid
           some of it's more annoying install options however.
2006/10/12 [Uncategorized] UID:44805 Activity:nil
10/12   552: #ifdef REISERFS_CHECK /* killed for journal */
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