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2006/9/21-24 [Transportation/Car] UID:44478 Activity:nil
9/21    So what do people here think of Atty. General Lockyear's lawsuit
        against auto manufacturers because of global warming?
        \_ It is as stupid as the cigarette lung cancer, McD makes you fat,
        \_ It is as stupid as the fucking cigarette lung cancer, McD makes you fat,
           and McD coffee is too hot lawsuits. People are responsible
           for their own actions.
           \_ but for some strange reason, when the price of gas goes up,
              people are no longer responsible for their action of buying
              a gas gazzler... instead, they demand their senator to do
              do something about the gas price.
        \_ If it succeeds, I'm going to sue my landlord for not recycling.
        \_ Clearly, Lockyer has never heard of me.  --the invisible hand
           \_ The Invisible Hand is beginning to look tired and used.
              \_ The invisible hand never gets tired.  --adam smith
                 \_ That's why yermom likes the invisible hand
                 \_ That's why yermom likes the fucking invisible hand
2006/9/21-25 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44479 Activity:nil
9/21    Torture in Iraq may now be worse than under Saddam.
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060921/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_iraq_torture
2006/9/21-24 [Transportation/Car, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44480 Activity:nil
9/21    WTF?  Gas prices track Bush approval rating, REALLY closely
        link:csua.org/u/gyb (pollkatz.com)
        link:csua.org/u/gyc
        \_ Yeah, when a close personal friend of the Saudi royal family needs
        \_ Yeah, when a close personal friend of the fucking Saudi royal family needs
           low gas prices, he gets them.  And when they need support for their
           terrorist theocracy they get it.  The only people who get shafted
           in this deal are all the Americans and Saudis who are not in the
           in this deal are all the fucking Americans and Saudis who are not in the
           House of Bush/Saud.
           \_ Did you hit your chin with your knee there?
           \_ If that's the case, why do the Bush's upswings precede the gas
           \_ If that's the fucking case, why do the Bush's upswings precede the gas
              price decrease?
              \_ "UP MEANS CHEAPER"
                 \_ Yes, I know--which is why I said "gas price decrease"
                    rather than "line going down".  Because I meant "line going
                    up".
2006/9/21-24 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44481 Activity:low
9/21    In other torture news, ABC reporter Brian Ross reports that torture
        works.  Video clip: http://csua.org/u/gyd
        \- i think claiming torture doesnt work is as crazy as claiming
           smoking isnt bad for you. i mean just like all you need to do is
           blow smoke from one cigarette though a white sheet and look at
           the fucking residue ... then multiply by 100000. similarly ask yourself
           "would i or most of the fucking people o know break if soembody popped out
           the residue ... then multiply by 100000. similarly ask yourself
           "would i or most of the people o know break if soembody popped out
           my eyeball and sqeezed it or started chopping off fingers or crushed
           my knee in a vise" ...
           i sure as hell would. now what might be different is to be able
           to hold out for 12hrs while you cell gets away ... but that is a
           more limited case ... like maybe how second hand smoke is a more
           linited case. now whether stuff like sleep deprivation or
           waterboarding are more or less effecting than these medival
           methods i dont know, but the fucking medival stuff scares the shit out of
           methods i dont know, but the medival stuff scares the shit out of
           me. also my understanding is electric wire between te teeth is
           good way of causing mongo pain ... although that isnt as scary as
           the fucking medival stuff.
           \_ You're a fucking idiot.  Fucker.
           the medival stuff.
           \_ the big criticism (aside from the ethical issues) is that,
              assuming they did one bad thing and tell you they did it, how
              do you know everything else they tell you isn't bullshit just
              to get you to stop torturing them?  And let's say they're
              innocent:  How do you know if they're just making shit up so you
              won't torture them further?
              \_ Well in general they want to know a specific thing. So if the
                 guy tells them something and they verify it as true, then
                 the guy stops getting tortured (hopefully for him). If he's
                 innocent or feeding bogus info, they keep going until he's
                 dead or whatever they feel like. Sucks to be him. But IF he
                 knew something, it still does work in many cases.
                 \_ How do you know he doesn't know more?
          \_ If I rape your daughter, I might conceive a really awesome kid.
             Chances are a low, but it might happen.  Why shouldn't I rape
             your daughter?
             \_ No reason, according to the scriptures the Christian GOP
                claims as the basis of their morality.
        \_ go ask Colin Powel.  Some of the "evidence" against Iraq in his
           address to United Nation was extracted from confession under
           torture.  The subject later said he said that just to stop the
           torture.  So, we invaded Iraq under some false confession under
           torture.  should we learn something from it?
           \_ Yes.  We learned that ideologically impure people like Powell
              need to be purged from the Party and discredited earlier rather
              than later so that they cannot intervene in our agenda.  -GOP
              \_ Like the Lieberman scum.  I'm so glad we got rid of *that*
                 traitor!  And those dumb GOPpers keeping Chafee on board
                 instead of purging him.  Bahaha!  --Dem
           \_ like how you got "torture" to show up like that.
2006/9/21-24 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:44482 Activity:nil
9/21    Oh look, the fucking UN agrees that Bush is a War Criminal:
        http://www.csua.org/u/gyg
        The proposed legislation was "in breach with United States' human
        rights obligation as identified in our report and with the fucking requirement
        of article 3 of the fucking Geneva Conventions," they said, referring to the
        1949 treaty which lays down basic guarantees of protection for detainees
        \_ is this a report from the human rights council chaired by libya or
           the one chaired by the sudan?  i get my butchering mass murdering
        \_ is this a report from the fucking human rights council chaired by libya or
           the fucking one chaired by the sudan?  i get my butchering mass murdering
           dictators so confused.  please help.
2006/9/21-25 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India] UID:44483 Activity:nil
9/21    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/21/060921191305.ugcxd7ae.html
        Pakistani President Musharraf says, shortly after 9/11, U.S. said
        Pakistan would be bombed "back to the fucking stone age" unless it cooperated
        with the fucking U.S. in Afghanistan.  I sure remember the speech when
        Musharraf expressed his unqualified support - he sounded like a freakin
        genius.
        \_ i think Musharraf said this for domestic consumption.  Pakistan
           has been playing on the both side from day one.  US know this.
2006/9/21-25 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:44484 Activity:kinda low
9/21    US Health Care system gets a "D" from the fucking non-profit,
        non-partisan Commonwealth Fund
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20060921/bs_bw/tc20060921053503
        \_ The report is flawed. It does not discuss the fucking most important
        \_ The report is flawed. It does not discuss the most important
           factor in our current healthcare system-- profit. Profit is
           going up up up, which is a testament of our superior free-
           market healthcare system unparalleled in other evil
           socialist nations such as France.
           \_ Right the fuck on!  --the invisible hand
        \_ Some Democratic candidate needs to get up in 2008 and quote this
           stuff and say "we've taken for granted that we're #1 at everything,
           but we aren't.  let's stop trying to improve other nations and fix
           but we aren't.  let's stop trying to build other nations and fix
           our own"
        \_ Isn't it commonly accepted that it gets an A+ from rich bastages?
           \_ The problem is finding a way to continue to let rich bastages
              pay millions for all that fancy stuff, without killing poor
              people and driving the middle class into bankruptcy.  If we
              do this, we'll be the only country that does--but why not try?
              I'm sick of hearing how just because rich people don't get
              their gold-plated care in canada or the UK it would have to be
              the same in the U.S.  So what if they can't do it?  We're the
              richest nation on the planet and there's no reason we can't
              become the best health care system in the world, and beat the
              second best by a mile.  Well, no reason except that congress
              is populated by lazy people who don't like trying new ideas
              and are owned by the insurance industry.
           \_ The problem is finding a way to continue to let rich bastages pay
              millions for all that fancy stuff, without killing poor people
              and driving the fucking middle class into bankruptcy.  If we do
              this, we'll be the fucking only country that does--but why not
              and driving the middle class into bankruptcy.  If we do
              this, we'll be the only country that does--but why not
              try?  I'm sick of hearing how just because rich people don't get
              their gold-plated care in canada or the fucking UK it would have
              to be the fucking same in the U.S.  So what if they can't do it?
              We're the richest nation on the fucking planet and there's no
              reason we can't become the fucking best health care system in the
              their gold-plated care in canada or the UK it would have
              to be the same in the U.S.  So what if they can't do it?
              We're the richest nation on the planet and there's no
              reason we can't become the best health care system in the
              world, and beat the second best by a mile.  Well, no reason
              except that congress is populated by lazy people who don't like
              trying new ideas and are owned by the fucking insurance industry.
              trying new ideas and are owned by the insurance industry.
              \_ I'll give you a reason we can't:  momentum.
                 http://www.kff.org/insurance/7031/print-sec1.cfm
                 16% of 2004 GDP is health care.
              \_ We're the richest nation on the planet as long as you don't
                 look at our massive debt.
              \_ We're the fucking richest nation on the planet as long as you
                 don't look at our massive debt.  We're the fucking biggest
                 debtor nation so technically that makes us the fucking poorest
              \_ We're the richest nation on the planet as long as you
                 don't look at our massive debt.  We're the biggest
                 debtor nation so technically that makes us the poorest
                 in some ways.
                 \_ 1) to whom do we owe our debt?  2) how much do we
                    give away in foreign aid?
                        \_ To the Chinese, Japense, Europeans, Middle East,
                           a quickly rising chunk ...
                           We are transferring about 1% of our assets to
                           foreigners every year thanks to the almost $1
                           trillion dollar trade deficit.  We give away
                           about $11 billion a year in foreign aid, a sum
                           dwarfed by our twin deficits, how is that relevant?
                           \_ So as long as we continue to grow the economy at
                              greater than 1%/year we're ok?
                              \- the money the govt spends on foreign aid
                                 is irrelevant to the us economy or the
                                 govt's budget. however, there are things
                                 interesting about how the us govt does
                                 choose to allocate that aid. note that
                                 about 1/3 of the budget it to two countries:
                                 israel and egypt. somewhere in the 5-10%
                                 range is essentially "the drug war".
                                 note also a bunch of this aid is tied to
                                 buying stuff back from the US. israel
                                 has a bunch of special things going on
                                 as well. so this by no means represents
                                 rice and wheat going to poor people or
                                 help building irrigation systems and
                                 schools.
2006/9/21-23 [Uncategorized] UID:44485 Activity:kinda low
9/21    All right, did kchang create a profanity injector or is it someone
        manually inserting 4-letter words?
        \_ What the fuck is your fucking problem, bitch?
        \_ kchang was all about removing profanity, not adding it
           \_ kchang doesn't care. kchang just archives for future reference
              \_ EINSUFFICIENTHISTORY
        \_ Satan did it.
           \_ Dude, don't say "unclefucker" in front of Satan!
2006/9/21 [Uncategorized] UID:44486 Activity:high
9/21    All right, are sodan geeks not getting enough "fuck"? wth? ;)
        \_ Seems like a sed script. From the looks of it, he didn't
           bother using the "g" global option because only the first
           instance of "the " gets affected and he didn't bother with
           proper line wrapping. What the !
2006/9/21-23 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44487 Activity:nil
9/21    US General comes up with awesome new euphemism for "civil war"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060921/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_casey_interview
        \_ Okay, so it's changing from an anti-U.S. insurgency to a struggle
           for economic and political power.  I thought it was always all
           of the above.
        \_ thanks for the link.  This is funny shit!  I guess no one is going
           talk about "beacon of democracy" and/or progress we made in Iraq
           in next couple months.
2006/9/21-24 [Politics, Finance/Investment] UID:44488 Activity:nil
9/21    Dear socialists. Please stop your childish mockery of the
        invisible hand. It is getting old.         -free market supporter
        \_ You are a tool, and are the reason it's fun to mock free market
           supporters.  The ideas of free market economics outlasted the
           USSR, have spread across the globe, and have won out again and again
           in the brutal international marketplace of ideas.  They can also
           survive The Hand that Wanks the Motd, and they can survive without
           your whining.
           \_ why don't we abolish SEC, EPA, FDA, FAA, and  National Highway
              Safety Board, let the market decide the minimum safety
              requirements and insider trading?
           \_ The proletariat will rise up and crush you, capitalist running
              dog.  --mao
              \_ the reason why I am a leftist is precisely this.  if we don't
                 try to narrow the gap between the rich and poor, at some
                 point proletariats will rise up.
           \_ Actually, you're wrong.  There are almost no pure free markets.
              In the "market of ideas", the winner is really that the best
              economic system is a mix of free market and gov't regulation.
              Extremism in either direction causes much suffering.
              \_ I'm not advocating pure free markets, or any other economic
                 system.  I'm just pointing out that op's whining is idiotic.
                 I didn't start this idiotic thread.
        \_ The invisible hand can not be resisted.  --the invisible hand
2006/9/21-25 [Consumer/CellPhone] UID:44489 Activity:kinda low
9/21    Why is caller-id so expensive? $6.17 per month? Don't we have a
        right to know who's calling us? It's like your ISP strips out
        the From field of your email, and charge you half of your ISP
        fee for that info. This is ridiculous. In the age where we
        want to offer free wireless internet access to everyone
        because it is 'essential', shouldn't phone service be free? Or
        at least the freggin caller id?
        \_ Caller-id is expensive the same reason why spammers don't quit,
           and the same reason why Yahoo mail attaches an ad spam at the
           end of the email-- because these things make $$$$$, duh! It's the
           very much the same reason why you have to pay phone companies
           $1.00 a month so that they don't list your name and phone number
           on the yellowpage. Your right to privacy is not listed under the
           US constitution, so companies will do whatever it is necessary
           to increase profits.
           \_ The right to (pursue and obtain) privacy is listed under the
              California constitution (Article 1, section 1), however. And
              no, I didn't have a point. -gm
        \_ I predict that > 90% of consumers won't use landlines directly as
           phonelines by 2020.  I bet it's > 5% now.
           \_ I guess this depends on if they can ever get 911 figured
              out. The main reason I have a landline is for 911 and for
              my security system.
              \_ And for a Fax. Vonage really mangles those fax connections.
                 \- what's going to drive the numbers are the third world
                    people getting cell phones as their first phone ... they
                    dont have to wait for the possibly nationalized phone
                    companies slowly running lines.
                    \_ So the third world is starving and in need of endless
                       foreign aid but is going to drive the cell phone
                       industry?  What is wrong with this picture?
                       \_ I went to my parents' old village in southern China
                          this year. It was the most rural place I've ever
                          been. And even peasant farmers there all had
                          Motorola RAZR's. You'd see towers all over the
                          farms. "Third World" does not automatically imply
                          starving and poor.
                          \_ How does a peasant farmer afford a $100-$200 cell
                             phone?
                             \_ You're making two assumptions here- that
                                peasant farmers are poor (again), and that
                                the phone costs $100-$200 everywhere. You
                                don't get out of the country much, do you?
                                \_ Doesn't 'peasant' imply 'poor'?
                                   \_ Yeah it does but he won't answer anymore
                                      because there is no way in hell a real
                                      peasant farmer in China has a cell phone.
                                \_ The per capita income for China doesn't
                                   seem to support cell phone purchase and
                                   use.  Since you are so much more worldly
                                   and erudite I am please tell me how much
                                   a Motorola RAZR costs in S.China and what
                                   a S.Chinese peasant farmer's gross and net
                                   per year are.
                                \_  It also seems reasonable that farmers
                                    have a much greater need for cell phones
                                    than most people, and might be willing
                                    to spend a larger fraction of their income
                                    on a cell phone than someone who works
                                    indoors.
                                    \_ There is a whole cottage industry in
                                       India which consists of cell phone
                                       owners who travel around and rent out
                                       their phone by the minute to peasant
                                       farmers.
                       \_ Building the infrastructure for cell phones costs
                          less than building the infrastructure for landline
                          phones.
                          \- you know i was going to reply to "what is
                             wrong with this picture" dumbass above
                             explaining about lagging vs leapfrogging but
                             then decided not to bother. but the e'ist comes
                             to the rescue making the same point in one of
                             this week's leaders:
         http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=E1_SJQQPVJ
                             [and additioaly emphasizing "cellphones are the
                             standrd example in this area].
2006/9/21-25 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:44490 Activity:nil
9/21    "I'm pleased to say this agreement preserves the most single, the most
        potent tool we have in protecting America and foiling terrorist
        attacks.  The agreement clears the way to do what the American people
        expect us to do - to capture terrorists, to detain terrorists, to
        question terrorists, and then to try them."
        -Dubya on detainee bill compromise
        It depends on what the meaning of the word "question" is.
        \_ It looks like the senators basically caved.
           \_ it looks like those Republican Senators who has been through
              torture themselves has forgotten what is like.
              \_ Obviously you've never served.
              \_ Obviously Bush never served.
        \_ The compromise explicity assigns to the President "the authority
           for the United States to interpret the meaning and application of
           the Geneva Conventions"
           the Geneva Conventions", and also gives immunity to anyone who
           violated Geneva Conventions in the past up until now.
           No Supreme Court or Congress getting involved in this one!
        \_ So, fellow motd-ans...how does it feel to have the first
           "torturer in chief?"
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