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| 2006/9/21-24 [Transportation/Car] UID:44478 Activity:nil |
9/21 So what do people here think of Atty. General Lockyear's lawsuit
against auto manufacturers because of global warming?
\_ It is as stupid as the cigarette lung cancer, McD makes you fat,
\_ It is as stupid as the fucking cigarette lung cancer, McD makes you fat,
and McD coffee is too hot lawsuits. People are responsible
for their own actions.
\_ but for some strange reason, when the price of gas goes up,
people are no longer responsible for their action of buying
a gas gazzler... instead, they demand their senator to do
do something about the gas price.
\_ If it succeeds, I'm going to sue my landlord for not recycling.
\_ Clearly, Lockyer has never heard of me. --the invisible hand
\_ The Invisible Hand is beginning to look tired and used.
\_ The invisible hand never gets tired. --adam smith
\_ That's why yermom likes the invisible hand
\_ That's why yermom likes the fucking invisible hand |
| 2006/9/21-25 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44479 Activity:nil |
9/21 Torture in Iraq may now be worse than under Saddam.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060921/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_iraq_torture |
| 2006/9/21-24 [Transportation/Car, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44480 Activity:nil |
9/21 WTF? Gas prices track Bush approval rating, REALLY closely
link:csua.org/u/gyb (pollkatz.com)
link:csua.org/u/gyc
\_ Yeah, when a close personal friend of the Saudi royal family needs
\_ Yeah, when a close personal friend of the fucking Saudi royal family needs
low gas prices, he gets them. And when they need support for their
terrorist theocracy they get it. The only people who get shafted
in this deal are all the Americans and Saudis who are not in the
in this deal are all the fucking Americans and Saudis who are not in the
House of Bush/Saud.
\_ Did you hit your chin with your knee there?
\_ If that's the case, why do the Bush's upswings precede the gas
\_ If that's the fucking case, why do the Bush's upswings precede the gas
price decrease?
\_ "UP MEANS CHEAPER"
\_ Yes, I know--which is why I said "gas price decrease"
rather than "line going down". Because I meant "line going
up". |
| 2006/9/21-24 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44481 Activity:low |
9/21 In other torture news, ABC reporter Brian Ross reports that torture
works. Video clip: http://csua.org/u/gyd
\- i think claiming torture doesnt work is as crazy as claiming
smoking isnt bad for you. i mean just like all you need to do is
blow smoke from one cigarette though a white sheet and look at
the fucking residue ... then multiply by 100000. similarly ask yourself
"would i or most of the fucking people o know break if soembody popped out
the residue ... then multiply by 100000. similarly ask yourself
"would i or most of the people o know break if soembody popped out
my eyeball and sqeezed it or started chopping off fingers or crushed
my knee in a vise" ...
i sure as hell would. now what might be different is to be able
to hold out for 12hrs while you cell gets away ... but that is a
more limited case ... like maybe how second hand smoke is a more
linited case. now whether stuff like sleep deprivation or
waterboarding are more or less effecting than these medival
methods i dont know, but the fucking medival stuff scares the shit out of
methods i dont know, but the medival stuff scares the shit out of
me. also my understanding is electric wire between te teeth is
good way of causing mongo pain ... although that isnt as scary as
the fucking medival stuff.
\_ You're a fucking idiot. Fucker.
the medival stuff.
\_ the big criticism (aside from the ethical issues) is that,
assuming they did one bad thing and tell you they did it, how
do you know everything else they tell you isn't bullshit just
to get you to stop torturing them? And let's say they're
innocent: How do you know if they're just making shit up so you
won't torture them further?
\_ Well in general they want to know a specific thing. So if the
guy tells them something and they verify it as true, then
the guy stops getting tortured (hopefully for him). If he's
innocent or feeding bogus info, they keep going until he's
dead or whatever they feel like. Sucks to be him. But IF he
knew something, it still does work in many cases.
\_ How do you know he doesn't know more?
\_ If I rape your daughter, I might conceive a really awesome kid.
Chances are a low, but it might happen. Why shouldn't I rape
your daughter?
\_ No reason, according to the scriptures the Christian GOP
claims as the basis of their morality.
\_ go ask Colin Powel. Some of the "evidence" against Iraq in his
address to United Nation was extracted from confession under
torture. The subject later said he said that just to stop the
torture. So, we invaded Iraq under some false confession under
torture. should we learn something from it?
\_ Yes. We learned that ideologically impure people like Powell
need to be purged from the Party and discredited earlier rather
than later so that they cannot intervene in our agenda. -GOP
\_ Like the Lieberman scum. I'm so glad we got rid of *that*
traitor! And those dumb GOPpers keeping Chafee on board
instead of purging him. Bahaha! --Dem
\_ like how you got "torture" to show up like that. |
| 2006/9/21-24 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:44482 Activity:nil |
9/21 Oh look, the fucking UN agrees that Bush is a War Criminal:
http://www.csua.org/u/gyg
The proposed legislation was "in breach with United States' human
rights obligation as identified in our report and with the fucking requirement
of article 3 of the fucking Geneva Conventions," they said, referring to the
1949 treaty which lays down basic guarantees of protection for detainees
\_ is this a report from the human rights council chaired by libya or
the one chaired by the sudan? i get my butchering mass murdering
\_ is this a report from the fucking human rights council chaired by libya or
the fucking one chaired by the sudan? i get my butchering mass murdering
dictators so confused. please help. |
| 2006/9/21-25 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India] UID:44483 Activity:nil |
9/21 http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/21/060921191305.ugcxd7ae.html Pakistani President Musharraf says, shortly after 9/11, U.S. said Pakistan would be bombed "back to the fucking stone age" unless it cooperated with the fucking U.S. in Afghanistan. I sure remember the speech when Musharraf expressed his unqualified support - he sounded like a freakin genius. \_ i think Musharraf said this for domestic consumption. Pakistan has been playing on the both side from day one. US know this. |
| 2006/9/21-25 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:44484 Activity:kinda low |
9/21 US Health Care system gets a "D" from the fucking non-profit,
non-partisan Commonwealth Fund
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20060921/bs_bw/tc20060921053503
\_ The report is flawed. It does not discuss the fucking most important
\_ The report is flawed. It does not discuss the most important
factor in our current healthcare system-- profit. Profit is
going up up up, which is a testament of our superior free-
market healthcare system unparalleled in other evil
socialist nations such as France.
\_ Right the fuck on! --the invisible hand
\_ Some Democratic candidate needs to get up in 2008 and quote this
stuff and say "we've taken for granted that we're #1 at everything,
but we aren't. let's stop trying to improve other nations and fix
but we aren't. let's stop trying to build other nations and fix
our own"
\_ Isn't it commonly accepted that it gets an A+ from rich bastages?
\_ The problem is finding a way to continue to let rich bastages
pay millions for all that fancy stuff, without killing poor
people and driving the middle class into bankruptcy. If we
do this, we'll be the only country that does--but why not try?
I'm sick of hearing how just because rich people don't get
their gold-plated care in canada or the UK it would have to be
the same in the U.S. So what if they can't do it? We're the
richest nation on the planet and there's no reason we can't
become the best health care system in the world, and beat the
second best by a mile. Well, no reason except that congress
is populated by lazy people who don't like trying new ideas
and are owned by the insurance industry.
\_ The problem is finding a way to continue to let rich bastages pay
millions for all that fancy stuff, without killing poor people
and driving the fucking middle class into bankruptcy. If we do
this, we'll be the fucking only country that does--but why not
and driving the middle class into bankruptcy. If we do
this, we'll be the only country that does--but why not
try? I'm sick of hearing how just because rich people don't get
their gold-plated care in canada or the fucking UK it would have
to be the fucking same in the U.S. So what if they can't do it?
We're the richest nation on the fucking planet and there's no
reason we can't become the fucking best health care system in the
their gold-plated care in canada or the UK it would have
to be the same in the U.S. So what if they can't do it?
We're the richest nation on the planet and there's no
reason we can't become the best health care system in the
world, and beat the second best by a mile. Well, no reason
except that congress is populated by lazy people who don't like
trying new ideas and are owned by the fucking insurance industry.
trying new ideas and are owned by the insurance industry.
\_ I'll give you a reason we can't: momentum.
http://www.kff.org/insurance/7031/print-sec1.cfm
16% of 2004 GDP is health care.
\_ We're the richest nation on the planet as long as you don't
look at our massive debt.
\_ We're the fucking richest nation on the planet as long as you
don't look at our massive debt. We're the fucking biggest
debtor nation so technically that makes us the fucking poorest
\_ We're the richest nation on the planet as long as you
don't look at our massive debt. We're the biggest
debtor nation so technically that makes us the poorest
in some ways.
\_ 1) to whom do we owe our debt? 2) how much do we
give away in foreign aid?
\_ To the Chinese, Japense, Europeans, Middle East,
a quickly rising chunk ...
We are transferring about 1% of our assets to
foreigners every year thanks to the almost $1
trillion dollar trade deficit. We give away
about $11 billion a year in foreign aid, a sum
dwarfed by our twin deficits, how is that relevant?
\_ So as long as we continue to grow the economy at
greater than 1%/year we're ok?
\- the money the govt spends on foreign aid
is irrelevant to the us economy or the
govt's budget. however, there are things
interesting about how the us govt does
choose to allocate that aid. note that
about 1/3 of the budget it to two countries:
israel and egypt. somewhere in the 5-10%
range is essentially "the drug war".
note also a bunch of this aid is tied to
buying stuff back from the US. israel
has a bunch of special things going on
as well. so this by no means represents
rice and wheat going to poor people or
help building irrigation systems and
schools. |
| 2006/9/21-23 [Uncategorized] UID:44485 Activity:kinda low |
9/21 All right, did kchang create a profanity injector or is it someone
manually inserting 4-letter words?
\_ What the fuck is your fucking problem, bitch?
\_ kchang was all about removing profanity, not adding it
\_ kchang doesn't care. kchang just archives for future reference
\_ EINSUFFICIENTHISTORY
\_ Satan did it.
\_ Dude, don't say "unclefucker" in front of Satan! |
| 2006/9/21 [Uncategorized] UID:44486 Activity:high |
9/21 All right, are sodan geeks not getting enough "fuck"? wth? ;)
\_ Seems like a sed script. From the looks of it, he didn't
bother using the "g" global option because only the first
instance of "the " gets affected and he didn't bother with
proper line wrapping. What the ! |
| 2006/9/21-23 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44487 Activity:nil |
9/21 US General comes up with awesome new euphemism for "civil war"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060921/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_casey_interview
\_ Okay, so it's changing from an anti-U.S. insurgency to a struggle
for economic and political power. I thought it was always all
of the above.
\_ thanks for the link. This is funny shit! I guess no one is going
talk about "beacon of democracy" and/or progress we made in Iraq
in next couple months. |
| 2006/9/21-24 [Politics, Finance/Investment] UID:44488 Activity:nil |
9/21 Dear socialists. Please stop your childish mockery of the
invisible hand. It is getting old. -free market supporter
\_ You are a tool, and are the reason it's fun to mock free market
supporters. The ideas of free market economics outlasted the
USSR, have spread across the globe, and have won out again and again
in the brutal international marketplace of ideas. They can also
survive The Hand that Wanks the Motd, and they can survive without
your whining.
\_ why don't we abolish SEC, EPA, FDA, FAA, and National Highway
Safety Board, let the market decide the minimum safety
requirements and insider trading?
\_ The proletariat will rise up and crush you, capitalist running
dog. --mao
\_ the reason why I am a leftist is precisely this. if we don't
try to narrow the gap between the rich and poor, at some
point proletariats will rise up.
\_ Actually, you're wrong. There are almost no pure free markets.
In the "market of ideas", the winner is really that the best
economic system is a mix of free market and gov't regulation.
Extremism in either direction causes much suffering.
\_ I'm not advocating pure free markets, or any other economic
system. I'm just pointing out that op's whining is idiotic.
I didn't start this idiotic thread.
\_ The invisible hand can not be resisted. --the invisible hand |
| 2006/9/21-25 [Consumer/CellPhone] UID:44489 Activity:kinda low |
9/21 Why is caller-id so expensive? $6.17 per month? Don't we have a
right to know who's calling us? It's like your ISP strips out
the From field of your email, and charge you half of your ISP
fee for that info. This is ridiculous. In the age where we
want to offer free wireless internet access to everyone
because it is 'essential', shouldn't phone service be free? Or
at least the freggin caller id?
\_ Caller-id is expensive the same reason why spammers don't quit,
and the same reason why Yahoo mail attaches an ad spam at the
end of the email-- because these things make $$$$$, duh! It's the
very much the same reason why you have to pay phone companies
$1.00 a month so that they don't list your name and phone number
on the yellowpage. Your right to privacy is not listed under the
US constitution, so companies will do whatever it is necessary
to increase profits.
\_ The right to (pursue and obtain) privacy is listed under the
California constitution (Article 1, section 1), however. And
no, I didn't have a point. -gm
\_ I predict that > 90% of consumers won't use landlines directly as
phonelines by 2020. I bet it's > 5% now.
\_ I guess this depends on if they can ever get 911 figured
out. The main reason I have a landline is for 911 and for
my security system.
\_ And for a Fax. Vonage really mangles those fax connections.
\- what's going to drive the numbers are the third world
people getting cell phones as their first phone ... they
dont have to wait for the possibly nationalized phone
companies slowly running lines.
\_ So the third world is starving and in need of endless
foreign aid but is going to drive the cell phone
industry? What is wrong with this picture?
\_ I went to my parents' old village in southern China
this year. It was the most rural place I've ever
been. And even peasant farmers there all had
Motorola RAZR's. You'd see towers all over the
farms. "Third World" does not automatically imply
starving and poor.
\_ How does a peasant farmer afford a $100-$200 cell
phone?
\_ You're making two assumptions here- that
peasant farmers are poor (again), and that
the phone costs $100-$200 everywhere. You
don't get out of the country much, do you?
\_ Doesn't 'peasant' imply 'poor'?
\_ Yeah it does but he won't answer anymore
because there is no way in hell a real
peasant farmer in China has a cell phone.
\_ The per capita income for China doesn't
seem to support cell phone purchase and
use. Since you are so much more worldly
and erudite I am please tell me how much
a Motorola RAZR costs in S.China and what
a S.Chinese peasant farmer's gross and net
per year are.
\_ It also seems reasonable that farmers
have a much greater need for cell phones
than most people, and might be willing
to spend a larger fraction of their income
on a cell phone than someone who works
indoors.
\_ There is a whole cottage industry in
India which consists of cell phone
owners who travel around and rent out
their phone by the minute to peasant
farmers.
\_ Building the infrastructure for cell phones costs
less than building the infrastructure for landline
phones.
\- you know i was going to reply to "what is
wrong with this picture" dumbass above
explaining about lagging vs leapfrogging but
then decided not to bother. but the e'ist comes
to the rescue making the same point in one of
this week's leaders:
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=E1_SJQQPVJ
[and additioaly emphasizing "cellphones are the
standrd example in this area]. |
| 2006/9/21-25 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:44490 Activity:nil |
9/21 "I'm pleased to say this agreement preserves the most single, the most
potent tool we have in protecting America and foiling terrorist
attacks. The agreement clears the way to do what the American people
expect us to do - to capture terrorists, to detain terrorists, to
question terrorists, and then to try them."
-Dubya on detainee bill compromise
It depends on what the meaning of the word "question" is.
\_ It looks like the senators basically caved.
\_ it looks like those Republican Senators who has been through
torture themselves has forgotten what is like.
\_ Obviously you've never served.
\_ Obviously Bush never served.
\_ The compromise explicity assigns to the President "the authority
for the United States to interpret the meaning and application of
the Geneva Conventions"
the Geneva Conventions", and also gives immunity to anyone who
violated Geneva Conventions in the past up until now.
No Supreme Court or Congress getting involved in this one!
\_ So, fellow motd-ans...how does it feel to have the first
"torturer in chief?" |
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