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2006/9/14-16 [Recreation/Dating] UID:44370 Activity:nil
9/13    lonelygirl15 (Jessica Rose) is cute cute cute! I hope to see more
        of her in future movies, or better yet, porn.
        http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt/archives/2006/09/the_identity_of.php
        \_ For Jessica-Lee Rose fans only:
           http://freejavachat.com/lonelygirl15
           If you know where to find Dear Beloved by Leah Salvisan please
           post it here.
        \_ Second that. There's something really special and magical about
           legal aged women who look underaged. It's like you want to be
           very close to them for no reason and you just can't explain it.
        \_ am i the only one who finds this at least a little disturbing?
                \_ I find ugly fat women more disturbing in porn
        \_ I had never heard of lonelygirl15, what's the deal?
2006/9/14-16 [Health/Men] UID:44371 Activity:nil
9/13    The lonelygirl15 phenomenon in N Cal where a bunch of 30-50 year old
        single men analyzing her videos is a proof that men in Silicon
        Valley are mostly pathetic perverted virgins.
        \_ "the odds are good, but the goods are odd"
2006/9/14-16 [Computer/Networking] UID:44372 Activity:moderate
9/13    What the fuck happened to 101 and Shoreline today?
        \_ A huge portion of the 30,000 employees from the south bay were
           sent to Shoreline within an hour. A convergence of thousands of
           cars into one location caused the denial-of-service on 101.
           This is yet another example of Cisco's lack of planning,
           beauracracy and incompetence. Why they didn't provide a shuttle
           service for employees is beyond me, but not unexpected. They're
           big, slow, and stupid, just like many other super-mega
           corporations.    -former employee, got stuck for 2 hours on 101
        \_ Cisco had a big new branding announcement at the amphitheater.
           Pretty much every cisco employee in the bay area went. My mom
           got me a k3wl t-shirt w/ the logo:
           got me a k3wl t-shirt w/ the new logo:
           http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/Cisco_new_logo.gif
           \_ That logo is kinda gay
              \_ http://csua.berkeley.edu/~scottyg/cisco.jpg
                 is a quick goatse version -scottyg
           \_ if your hardware is second rate you might as well get a new
              logo to improve your image.  yeah.... i was at some shitty
              dotcom which hired a new marketing director.  the first thing
              they did was rebrand everything which cost $500k so they could
              put their stamp on the co.  sort of like a dog marking their
              territory.  useless but makes them feel good.
              \_ I would not characterize cisco hardware as 2d rate (but
                 then again I might be biased b/c I worked there for a
                 long time and my mom has worked there for even longer).
                 Anyway, I'm not sure I really like the new logo. I liked
                 the original orange/red one.
                 \_ Imagine the world reset over the weekend.  No one has any
                    networking gear and no previous experience with any of
                    the products available from any company.  Would Cisco be
                    the default choice for so many?  Would Cisco even make the
                    list on Monday?
                    \_ Why wouldn't Cisco be the default choice? I think they
                       made decent gear and were a decent co. to work w/.
                       (But then again I may have a strong pro-cisco bias,
                        given my family's 10+ year association w/ cisco).
                       \_ Because it is functional but nothing special in
                          most product lines.  They are not a best of breed
                          manufacturer.
2006/9/14-16 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:44373 Activity:nil
9/13    IslamoGaming:
        http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3153332&did=1
2006/9/14-16 [Health/Disease/General] UID:44374 Activity:nil
9/15    You think terrorism is bad.  how about terrorism + bird flu!!
        I think it's game over:
        http://tinyurl.com/hxp9k
2006/9/14-16 [Uncategorized] UID:44375 Activity:nil
9/14    Unable to post on dbushong's http://csua.org motd site. Please fix it.
        \_ Fixed.  Sorry about that.  One of my sequences got out of sync w/
           the table somehow.  Probably when I did a bulk load at some point.
           --dbushong
2006/9/14-16 [Uncategorized] UID:44376 Activity:nil
9/14    DOJ supports Apple's DRM:
        http://tinyurl.com/keg5g (today.reuters.com)
2006/9/14-16 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:44377 Activity:high
9/14    Cheap-Shot Journalism by Thomas Sowell
        http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/09/cheap_shot_journalism.html
        \_ The financing of conservative think tanks is not coincidental;
           it is part of a conscious conservative strategy.  Of course
           Sowell wants to hide that fact.  -tom
           \_ And the financing of liberal think thanks is coincidental and
              random?  Ok.
              \_ No, it's not, but it's also miniscule compared to conservative
                 think tank funding.  I'm sure openness would benefit the
                 liberal side.  -tom
                 \_ Since they did an article posting the $$$s above the heads
                    of the conservatives it seems like there is openness.  You
                    say the liberal think tanks get miniscule funding but since
                    the cheap-shot article Sowell attacks doesn't provide those
                    $$$s we can't know.  We only have your word on it.  It
                    would have been nice if they had provided the $$$s for the
                    liberal think tanks as well but that didn't suit their
                    agenda.
                    \_ Is "liberals help unions" news?  -tom
                       \_ Strawman.  Care to try again?  How about telling us
                          how much unions have given to the left over the
                          years in money extracted from their members who have
                          no choice in the matter?  Nevermind, any abuse for
                          money and power is ok as long as it's your guys doing
                          it.
                          it.  Anyway, should I take it as conceding the point
                          since you ignored what Sowell was saying?
                          \_ What's the strawman?  Reporting that evangelical
                             Christians contribute to churches is not news,
                             and it's not the job of a newspaper to report on
                             it.  The link between big business and
                             pro-big-business think tanks is not common
                             knowledge and is newsworthy, unlike the link
                             between liberals and unions, which has been
                             a core part of liberal politics for a century.
                               -tom
                             \_ Sowell is talking about an article that puts
                                $$$ signs above the heads of conservatives
                                but sort of vaguely mentions in passing that
                                liberals do the same but doesn't mention any
                                or put up $$$.  The links between all these
                                orgs are common and public knowledge, but never
                                mind reality: so if the original article was
                                about liberal think tanks and there were $$$
                                over their heads and they vaguely mentioned
                                near the end that conservatives sort of kind
                                of do the same thing but didn't name any, you'd
                                be ok with that.  Your last line is funny.
                                There hasn't been a liberal in the modern sense
                                of the word for a century.  Liberals are a
                                product of the 60s/70s universities.  Unions
                                began as a product of the communist movement.
                                I hope you're not trying to lay claim to
                                communism = modern liberalism.
                                \_ The link between WalMart and conservative
                                   think tanks is common knowledge?  Do you
                                   have some evidence for that claim?
                                   As I said, newspapers report on news,
                                   and I think it would be silly to write
                                   a report that unions contribute to liberal
                                   causes, or liberals contribute to unions.
                                   If military contractors start contributing
                                   to liberal causes, I think that's newsworthy
                                   and would bear reporting.  -tom
2006/9/14-16 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Languages/Python] UID:44378 Activity:kinda low
9/14    http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2006/09/14/basic
        I never knew C++ was a higher-level language than BASIC
        \_ It's salon.  So what?
           \_ More specifically, it's David Brin, who writes decent hard sci-fi.
              Too bad he apparently didn't get a decent computer education
              either.
           \_ More specifically, it's David Brin, who writes decent hard
              sci-fi.  Too bad he apparently didn't get a decent computer
              education either.  [formatd]
              \_ Still doesn't bother me.  He's a fiction writer, not a
                 scientist.
                 \_ A friend of mine was in a technology-related tv show
                    with David Brin, and reports that he's pretty
                    technically naive / clueless.  I do like his books,
                    though.  - niloc
                 \_ It doesn't bother you that he's saying "the problem with
                    doing X w.r.t educating our children is that <incorrect
                    fact>"?
                    \_ Not at all.  It's a slate article online, not an
                       official publication from anyone who has anything to do
                       with education.  I give it the weight it deserves: zero.
        \_ I once read an article by a tech analyst which said the internet was
           invented in year 1991.
           \_ Wow that guy is a total idiot.  Everyone knows it was the year
              1991 when they invented the 1nt@rw3b!1.
        \_ Quick, someone tell that man about ruby/python/scheme/whathaveyou
           \_ He already discarded Perl as "too high level"  He doesn't seem
              to understand that crappy != "low-level"
              \_ He mentions Python os well, and calls C++ "high-level."
2006/9/14-16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:44379 Activity:moderate
9/14    Harvard's guest to speak on toloerance defends execution as a
        punishment for homosexuality.  Link is from http://hotair.com (yes, I know
        that's Malkin's site -- just ignore the commentary and read the quote)
        http://csua.org/u/gw6
        \_ Please post a link to the quote apart from the Malkin site, so's
           I can continue to not support that lunatic's advertizing.
           \_ Never mind. Found the following:
              http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=514150
              To wit: Iran's former President gave a speech in which he
              defended some pretty crazy stuff. Scary because he was supposed
              to be the liberal side of Iranian politics.
              \_ He *is* the liberal side of Iranian politics.
                 \_ He's probably extremely liberal when we compare him to our
                    Saudi allies.
                    \_ The ruling family is SA is about as Western as it gets
                       outside Western nations.
                       \_ that is a completely false statement.  While Saudi's
                          royal family themselves embrace many of the Western
                          "sins,"  their policy prohibits most of the things
                          which themselves find enjoyable.  Saudi Arabia is
                          one of the most conservative, fundamental islamic
                          nation in the middle east.
                          \_ It is a completely true statement.  You even
                             restated it, "While Saudi's royal family
                             themselves embrace many of the Western
                             'sins,'..." followed by how their policy for the
                             people is different.  But, as stated, the ruling
                             family in SA is about as Western as it gets
                             outside the West.  SA itself is really no
                             different from the bulk of the rest of the Middle
                             East.  Please name all the fun loving Western ME
                             nations.  Which ones don't keep their women as
                             third class non-citizens?  Which ones have
                             anything resemebling a non-dictatorship?  Which
                             ones teach their kids from science texts instead
                             of the Koran?  They're all pretty much the same
                             in that sense.  Oh wait, Israel is different but
                             that's about it.
                                \_ It's a completely moronic statement unless
                                   there are only two kinds of countries in
                                   the world: Western nations and Middle
                                   Eastern nations.  There are lots of
                                   countries in the world that aren't part of
                                   the West but manage not to stone adulterers
                                   or behead thieves.
                                   \_ Name the countries in the middle east
                                      that aren't like SA.  If there are lots
                                      of them you should have no problem
                                      listing several and in what ways they're
                                      different.  We'll talk about moronic
                                      after you come up with a list.
                                        \_ I didn't see the words "Middle East"
                                           in that sentence.
                                           \_ Still don't see a list.  Yawn.
                          \_ Khatami says there is "room for debate" about
                             executing homosexuals.  There is no room for
                             debate in Saudi Arabia.
2006/9/14-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44380 Activity:nil
9/14    Princeton CS professor pwns Diebold
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060913/ap_on_hi_te/electronic_voting
        \_ Check out http://opensecrets.org.  It looks like greater than 90% of
           Diebold's contribution dollars have gone to Republicans.
2006/9/14-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44381 Activity:nil
9/14    Republican Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham, John Warner, and
        Susan Collins tell Dubya to go get stuffed.
        http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aothcPLzAytM&refer=us
        \_ "I will resist any bill that does not enable this program to go
           forward with legal clarity," Bush said at the White House after his
           meeting with lawmakers.
           That's such an elegant way of saying "I will veto anything that
           confirms that what I already did was, in fact, illegal"
           \_ They aren't trying to gut Geneva, honest!  They're just
              clarifying legal language!  All a big misunderstanding.
           \_ He is just trying to keep himself out of jail. All criminals
              do the same thing.
2006/9/14-16 [Computer/SW/Languages] UID:44382 Activity:nil
9/14    I forward a lot of spam to /dev/null, and I just got this error:
          Message from syslogd@soda at Thu Sep 14 17:07:54 2006 ...
          soda procmail[16442]: Error while writing to "/dev/null"
        Ummm, what kind of error does one get while writing to /dev/null?
        \_ the kind one gets when something stupid involving soda, it's
           MTA, its ridiculously huge mail queue, and everything between
           that and user's inboxes does a "chmod go-wrx /dev/null"
           --Jon, evil alumni trying to clear all the undelivered email.
2006/9/14-16 [Uncategorized] UID:44383 Activity:nil
9/14    Can we get xauth installed? Thanks root!
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