Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2006:September:12 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2006/9/12-14 [Uncategorized] UID:44351 Activity:nil
9/11    I just got an e-mail from June and one from May.  ub3r.
2006/9/12-13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44352 Activity:nil
9/12    I got bored, so I decided to run the huge mailqueue on soda
        which had messages back from fucking forever.  enjoy getting
        email from May/June (as reported below) --Jon, Evil Alumni
        \_ Just out of curiosity, why is it queueing stuff up?  -John
           \_ hell if I know.  I'm sure the undergrads know better
              than I do. --Jon
2006/9/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44353 Activity:high
9/12 (Kristol, Lowry via Wash Post)
        "There is now no good argument for not sending more troops."
        There's a very good argument:  We don't have more troops to send.
        Discussing force levels, Lt. Col. Ronald Gridley, the XO with
        Regimental Combat Team 7, a Marine unit that is charged with
        securing a large swath of [Anbar] province, said then that his
        regiment had recommended that additional troops be allocated ...
        "What we recommend and what we get is going to be two different
        things," Colonel Gridley said.
        \_ Maybe next time you could provide the full quote for Colonel Gridley
           and also not mishmash unrelated articles together.  Your NYT
           article and misquote of Gridley is not support for your contention
           that "we don't have more troops to send".  It may be true (or not)
           that we don't have more troops but your links don't cover that.
           Anyway, I thought we're supposed to want to bring them all home
           right now, not send more because sending more is just going to piss
           off the local population and cause the insurgency to grow.  Here's
           another choice quote from the NYT link:
                Without the deployment of an additional division, "there is
                nothing MNF-W can do to influence the motivation of the Sunni
                to wage an insurgency," the report states, according to a
                military officer familiar with it. MNF-W stands for
                Multinational Force-West, the formal name of the Marine
           Which is anothter way of saying they don't have enough marines there
           to kill enough Sunnis to break their will to fight.  That's what you
           are advocating?  More dead Sunni?
           \_ I think if they really got to work, they could probably kill
              enough Sunni with their current troop levels.
           \_ I don't think that was a misquote.  That was lifted verbatim.
              Nevertheless, here is the remainder of what he said:
              \_ Yeah, if all of a sudden being Sunni and without a weapon
                 meant you were a legitimate target.
                 \_ Whaddya mean "all of a sudden"?
           \_ "In our perfect world, we could use some more infantrymen to be
              able to patrol the streets and partner with the Iraqi Army."
              Fact:  This LTC wants more boots on the ground to help secure
              Anbar.  Opinion:  I don't think this is something you see in
              every war.
              Fact:  This LTC recommended more boots on the ground to help
              secure Anbar.
              You also assume I advocate killing more Sunni, when the only
              assertion I make is that we don't have more troops to send.
              As far as that goes, I don't mind being shown that I'm wrong
              about that assertion, and to what degree.  I do concede that
              the 2nd URL doesn't offer conclusive proof to the assertion.
              about that, and to what degree.
              \_ The frontline guys always recommend more troops, weapons,
                 food, higher pay, hotter women, and more time on leave.
                 That's been going on since the first army formed.
                 As far as availability of fresh troops goes, I made no
                 statement in either direction.  Only that your claim is not
                 backed by your links.  I really don't know and don't want to
                 do your fact check for you.  Anyway, what the guy was saying
                 is they need more troops so they can crush the Sunni rebels.
                 That means killing more of them, faster.  If you want more
                 troops in Iraq to end the insurgency then you *are*
                 advocating more Sunni deaths.  Are you opposed to bringing
                 them home and forcing the Iraqi government to get their act
                 together and sort it out for themselves?
                 \_ Okay, where did I say I want more troops in Iraq?
                    Okay, where did I say that I didn't think you made a
                    statement pro or con about troop availability?
                    Read both my posts.
                    \_ I read your posts.  What is the point of saying there
                       are no more troops to send if you don't want more troops
                       sent?  I'm sure there is a huge shortage of moon rocks
                       in Iraq but you're not posting that we need to send
                       more of those.
                       \_ I quoted Kristol and Lowry's very definitive
                          statement and then I said:  uh, actually, there's a
                          big problem with that.  that's the point.
                          \_ You quoted them then added your own spin, that we
                             don't have troops to send, then provided a link
                             to an article that didn't prove your contention.
                             If you're going to claim something your follow up
                             link should back your claim.
        \_ Basically, these two numbnuts are repeating what Murtha said two
           years ago:  If you want to crush the insurgency, send more troops.
           Don't do it half-assed.  As far as Dubya is concerned, we are still
           going with the plan of "maintain GOP majorities" via "they stand up,
           we stand down ... any change in strategy can wait until after
           November ... since we can't win in Iraq if we don't have GOP
           majorities in Congress ...", IMO. -op
           \_ Crushing insurgencies requires killing people.  Why do you want
              more dead Iraqis?
2006/9/12 [Computer/Rants] UID:44354 Activity:nil 71%like:44365
        Fold $20 bill to look like WTC on fire
        \_ Yeah, um we saw that 5 years ago.
        \_ One can fold a pre-1997 Hong Kong $100 bill to show the male
           \_ urlP
2006/9/12-15 [Recreation/Dating] UID:44355 Activity:low
9/12    For the trusting folks out there who are into personal space, dating
        others and telling their SOs to be cool with it:
        "The Secret Lives of Wives: Why they stray"
        \_ So, if you let your relationship run on autopilot, your SO/spouse
           will start looking elsewhere? When did this become news?
           \_ we had been arguing about whether it was okay to see a movie with
              a female friend if you already were in a relationship, so this
              URL was posted to keep the motd Fair and Balanced. </troll>
              \_ The discussion already covered this point. If your relation-
                 ship is good and your SO has no trouble with you going out
                 with a FotOS, there is still no problem.
                 \_ Yermom runs FatOS!
2006/9/12-15 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44356 Activity:nil
9/12    How did they get that 46 percent drop in the murder rate in Baghdad?
        Easy, just don't count deaths from "bombs, mortars, rockets or other
        mass attacks -- including suicide bombings."
        \_ "If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very
            low crime rate." -- Marion Barry
            \_ "Bitch set me up!" -- Marion Barry
        \_ It makes sense to define ordinary murders from warlike activity--but
           then it should be made clear, and not claim a decrease simply
           because of redefinition.
                \_ It makes even more sense that the administration would want
                   to spin their quagmire any way they can.
2006/9/12-15 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:44357 Activity:kinda low
        for all u p0s3ur5, Space Rangers 2 is the best top-down space game
        (equipment upgrades, trading, missions) i've played.  plus, you can
        play 1 hour or 12 hour sessions, save, and come back later.  i got the
        full version via direct2drive, but I think there's a demo too.
        \_ Of course, the demo is only 1.2 GB to download.
        \_ Er....  I bought SR2 a few months ago.  I'm still on my first game.
           It has a lot of potential but there was no there there.  Some of
           the mini games are cool, some are a PITA.  The RTS mini game got
           so fast and brutal and the UI was so primitive it became
           unplayable even though RTS is my favorite genre.  The pizza making
           contest was amusing.  Space combat is irritating because the
           targets keep docking at local planets in mid combat.  Some of the
           alien-alien humor and backstory made me laugh, approaching the humor
           in some other classics like Star Control 2.  At the start of the
           game I suggest getting a trading type ship (forget weapons, you
           can't kill anything anyway), and get a long range engine and big
           fuel tank.  There is a *lot* of hopping from star to star and going
           A->B is much better than having to stop in C, D, and E on the way
           to refuel.
           \_ I don't play the RTS, and I make sure to let targets fly far
              away from any dock before I open up.  I stopped doing assassinatn
              missions anyway since killing pirate hulls piss off all Peleng
              planets.  i also agree that long-jump engines are the #1 priority
              along with trading drugs/luxuries (primarily peleng) in the early
              game.  Mid-game, courier with high courier bonus makes money
              faster.  SC2 is a classic, but I really enjoy SR2 ... better than
              Diablo w/o the sore-fingers and potion-chugging.
              faster.  SC2 is a classic, but I really enjoy SR2 ...
              \_ What are some good osX games?  Are there any free ones?
                 \_ When Steve says you're ready for good osX games you'll get
                    good osX games and not a minute sooner.
2006/9/12 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:44358 Activity:nil
9/12    I haven't used MS windows since the win95 days. Can someone please
        explain to me what in the world a "domain" is? I'm familiar with
        IP addresses like or domains like
        but what are things like "\\My Workgroup" or "\\MYCOMPANY"?
        Is Microsoft inventing new linguo?
2006/9/12-15 [Uncategorized] UID:44359 Activity:nil
9/12    An Alternate 9/11 History
        \_ Geez, newsweek has turned into a rag.
        \_ Excellent piece. Almost makes up for the crap article on cheaters.
        \_ Wow. I think I actually got dumber reading that.
           \_ dummer dan dubya?
2006/9/12-15 [Reference/Law/Court] UID:44360 Activity:nil
9/12    USPTO Trademark attorney cites 10 MB of pr0n as evidence to
        reject a trademark filing:
2006/9/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:44361 Activity:nil
9/12    Why is soda really slow this evening?
        \_ spamassassin?
2006/9/12-15 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44362 Activity:nil
        Wash Post staff ask intl panel what they think about Dubya's military
        tribunals that strip Geneva rights:
        The German dude is hilarious.  Also, the only panelist who comes out
        for torture sets up strawmen, saying he doesn't support "unlimited
        torture" nor "withholding all forms of physical and psychological
        pressure".  Dude, no normal person in the whole damn world supports
        unlimited torture OR withholding all forms of physical and psych
        pressure.  What a moron.
        \_ You framed this in such a way that there is no response other than
           questioning your framing which gets into boring rhetorical noise.
2006/9/12-15 [Transportation/Car, Health/Dental] UID:44363 Activity:nil
9/12    When authorities say someone died instantly (like in a car
        accident), how fast counts as instantly?  I mean I suppose 1 minute
        would not be instantly, but what about 5 seconds?  I mean how
        quickly can someone die?  I mean do people really die instantly
        from the impact of a car accident?  I suppose they do if their
        head gets crushed, but otherwise, I gotta think it would at least
        take a good fraction of a minute.
           Yes, the guy who said the Croc Hunter died instantly was a
           television producer and in no way a medical expert.
2006/9/12-13 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:44364 Activity:nil
9/12    All bow to the great debian nfs action!
        nfs: server not responding, timed out
        e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog_task: NIC Link is Down
        e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog_task: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex
        e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog_task: NIC Link is Down
        e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog_task: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex
        e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog_task: NIC Link is Down
        e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog_task: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex
        e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog_task: NIC Link is Down
        e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog_task: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex
        Already mailed root.
        \_ the NFS error is a symptom there, not the problem.  -tom
2006/9/12-15 [Computer/Rants] UID:44365 Activity:nil 71%like:44354
9/12    Fold $20 bill to look like WTC on fire (
        \_ Yeah, um we saw that 5 years ago.
        \_ One can fold a pre-1997 Hong Kong $100 bill to show the male
           \_ urlP
2018/12/17 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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