9/6     The Reagans - one factually questionable scene - YANKED FROM THE AIR
        The ABC 9/11 documentary - Republican propaganda - GOING ON THE AIR
        REPUBLICANS RULE, LIBERALS DROOOOOL!1!11!!1!!!!one
        \_ Wasn't this in 2003?

9/6     One of my profs is debating an ID proponent re the legality of
        allowing ID to be taught in schools (ie whether Katzmiller was
        decided correctly). Does anyone have pointers to good sites
        where I can start looking for info?
        [ I've already read a few law review articles, so I'm looking
          for something a little less scholarly ]
        \_ http://www.venganza.org
           Seriously though, http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org might
           be a good place to look for the kinds of points he's likely to
           encounter.  -John

9/7     http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/07/poll/index.html
        Clinton is Dem's favorite with virtually no chance of winning,
        and Gore is Dem's second favorite with Gore virtually no desire
        of running. This is the story of how Dems fuck it up for the
        third time. This is the story of '08.
        \_ As with Bill Clinton and Dubya, it is quite likely that the actual
           Democratic nominee in 2008 will be someone who is not on the radar
           screen in 2006.  -tom
        \_ Who is the GOP going to run against her? Rice? Clinton would win.
           John McCain is not nutty enough for the Religious Right, so he
           won't get the GOP nomination. Guliani is pro-choice and pro-gay
           rights, so he is too *gasp* "liberal." Who else does the GOP have?
           \_ George "Macaca" Allen. Rick "Don't get it on the sheets" Santorum
        \_ This isn't much, but my picks are:
           Hillary > Mark Warner, Edwards >> Feingold, in that order.
           (fyi, it turns out that the first three are tops on tradesports
           other than Gore, but I came to this independently)
           I would say Hillary in front with VP Warner; alternatively, Warner
           with VP Obama.
           Barbara Boxer is my secret "average American" Democratic candidate
                \_ If Barbara Boxer wins the Democratic nomination, the
                   Dems should just pack up and disband.  Nominating her
                   with her out-of-touch views and shrill personality would
                   be the stupidest thing the Dems have ever done.  Boxer
                   is so polarizing that she makes Hilary seem like a quiet
                   reasonable, helpful librarian type.
                   \_ yeah, and the Republicans have succeeded with
                      moderate, collaborative centrists like...uh...tom
                      delay and dubya.  -tom
                      \_ Sorry, pops, but recent history has shown that the
                         GOP can get away with ultra-conservatives and still
                         appeal to the unwashed masses of the South, Midwest
                         and Rocky Mountain states.  The Dems, however, have
                         to run a centrist candidate to have a shot.  Bill
                         Clinton is the only Dem to win the White House in
                         the past 30 years, and he did so as a centrist.
                         Real liberals like Mondale and Dukakis tried to
                         succeed...and were completely humiliated.  I foresee
                         something even more drastic if a born loser like
                         Barbara Boxer gets the nomination.
                         \_ To suceed in the long run, the Democrats need
                            to articulate and pursue their own agenda, not
                            become Republicans.  -tom
                            \_ Of course, but if that agenda only appeals
                               to 1% of the population, they will still
                               lose, no matter how well the pursue it.
                               lose, no matter how well they pursue it.
                               I'm sorry, but comprimising and coming to
                               the middle to form a consensus is what
                               democracy is all about.  If you
                               represent many Dems in beliving that
                               means "becoming Republicans", then the
                               party is truly hopeless.
                               \_ How many people do you think support raising
                                  the minimum wage?  National Health care?
                                  Keeping Social Security as it is?  Ending
                                  the war?  Take your 1% and shove it.
                               \_ Comprimising and coming to the middle is
                                  not how the Republicans got into power,
                                  and it won't be how the Democrats reclaim
                                  it.  I do not think it should be difficult
                                  to come up with a platform which is both
                                  truly distinct from the current Republican
                                  platform, and attractive to a large number
                                  of Americans.  -tom
                                  \_ That's exactly what they did, they
                                     didn't compromise with YOU, but they
                                     compromised with > 50% of the
                                     population.
                                     \_ No, that's not what they did at all.
                                        Republican policies do not serve the
                                        interests of most of the people who
                                        vote Republican.  Republicans did
                                        a lot of work on getting people
                                        to identify with their agenda; that's
                                        not compromising.  -tom
                                        \_ You're confusing what's going
                                           on now (when the Republicans
                                           are losing) with what was going
                                           on when they came to power.
                                           Remember the Contract with
                                           America?  The Rs are failing
                                           now because they aren't finding
                                           the issues that the majority
                                           people care about.  The Ds can't
                                           capitialize on it because
                                           they're even worse.
                                           \_ Voters *identified* with
                                              the rhetoric around the
                                              Contract With America--they
                                              didn't *care about* the
                                              Contract With America.  It's
                                              an important distinction.  -tom
                                              \_ I guess you're going to
        have to explain this more carefully, because I have no idea what
        you're talking about.
                \_ Most people don't vote on the issues; they vote for
                   the person they identify with most closely.  A
                   typical red-state hick doesn't really *care* about
                   flag burning, or gay marriage, or welfare moms.
                   When you survey people and ask what their most
                   important issues are, those are not the things that
                   come up.  But conservatives use those kinds of
                   issues to project an *identity* for themselves
                   which red-state hicks comprehend and identify with.
                   The liberal challenge is to come up with an identity;
                   right now there is no clear liberal identity which
                   voters can align with.  -tom
                   \_ What I can't understand is how they did that with
                      an Ivy league cheerleader rich boy from Connecticut
                      who used his dad's infulence to avoid military
                      service.
           who knows exactly what's going on and deserves a chance
           Definite no's:  Biden, Clark, Daschle, Kerry, Richardson
                \_ These guys are each superior by 10 times over the
                   opinionated, self-absorbed dunderdead that is Barbara Boxer.
                   \_ I think the key word here is your opinion that she is
                      a "dunderhead".  All those guys you mentioned are
                      opinionated and self-absorbed, except maybe not
                      Daschle on the self-abosrbed part.
           Gore isn't going to run.
           \_ I disagree.  Gore is starting at running back for the 49ers
              this season.  That's why they traded away Kevin Barlow to the
              Jets.

9/7     http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,212743,00.html
        See, it's Clinton's fault. Clinton was preoccupied with Lewinsky
        and thus failed to kill Bin Laden.
        \_ In at least one case, that's true.  The Clinton administration did
           miss several chances to get bin Laden.  Not because they wanted to,
           but because the risks at the time weren't considered worth it, and
           during the Lewinsky mess Clinton was in fact distracted.  Read
           "Dereliction of Duty" and "The Cell" for some of the details.
           \_ So Republicans sacrificed national security at the altar of
              Lewinsky by distracting the president?  Nothing new.
              \_ Wow.  Can you actually think for yourself, or are you this
                 bitterly partisan all the time?
              \_ Have you even read the Constitution? National security
                 falls under the Executive Branch.
              \_ Yes, playing "gotcha" with Clinton was more important to
                 the Republican Congress than national security. They are
                 still playing this game, it seems.
                 \_ Apparently, the Plame story was more important to the
                    lefties than security.
                    \_ what is the Plame story about if not security?
                       what is the case about?  REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION
                       INTENTIONALLY COMPROMISES AGENT.  Anyone NOT concerned
                       with this story is the one not interested in security-
                       you can't have it both ways, liar
                       \_ The Plame story was about the left wing media
                          inventing a story, an overzealous special
                          prosecutor who knew the truth persecuting innocent
                          people, and the non-victim and her lying husband
                          finally getting caught and the very very quiet
                          follow up from the media who owe Karl Rove and a
                          lot of other innocent people an apology.  What did
                          you think it was about?
                          \_ You know, I actually agree with this assessment
                             and I am a Bush hater.
           \_ As I understand it, every single time Clinton had a chance
              to kill bin Laden (other than Infinite Reach), the information
              was single-sourced or there were other circumstances inhibiting a
              clean kill.
              http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch4.htm
              \_ As well as having a standing order with the CIA to execute
                 kill or capture on actionable intelligence.
                 \_ You mean capture, and if CIA judges this is not feasible,
                    then kill.  But it's still a big deal anyway for the
                    President to order killing someone, but that was Osama
        \_ Two Buddhist monks, one young, one old, were walking when they
           came to the banks of river. A young woman, too small to ford the
           river by herself, was waiting for anyone to help her across. Without
           saying a word, the old monk put the woman on his back and carried
           her across. After he'd dropped her off, he and the young monk
           continued walking. Some miles later, the young monk said, "I can't
           believe you broke your vows and carried that woman." The old monk
           replied, "I carried her across the river and then I put her down.
           You've been carrying her in your mind ever since."
           Clinton got a blowjob and suffered. You're still suffering because
           you're jealous.
        \_ Clinton was preoccupied with occupying Lewinsky.

9/7     Any one else noticing delayed mail delivery by at least a day? Message
        sent 9/6, but doesn't show up till 9/7?
        \_ Yes.  Most ( > 90%) messages are received instantly.  However,
           yes, I've also had some delayed over 24 hours.  Why does this
           happen?  This didn't used to happen in past years.  If it wasn't
           broke, why did we try to fix it?  Now it is broke, and someone
           needs to really fix it.

9/7     So which co-op did this happen at? :
        http://www.nbc4.tv/news/9802927/detail.html?rss=la&psp=news
        \_ http://kcbs.com/pages/79601.php?contentType=4&contentId=201324
        \_ Cloyne.  Looks like things haven't changed much. -emarkp
           \- was it the pot or the filthy conditions that lead to the
              problems?
           \- I don't know, when we were there I think the people who didn't
              want to ingest hallucinogens were smart enough not to partake
              in the baked goods being passed around by giggling stoners,
              who had been oddly spending too much group time in the kitchen,
              and the people who wanted too, tended not to call the cops just
              because of a "feeling of doom".  In fact, I think "a feeling
              of doom" was the encouraged norm at cloyne in our day. -crebbs
              \_ I saw no evidence that anyone who didn't want to get high ate
                 the cookies.  My guess is that the cookies were just way too
                 strong and partakers were inexperienced.
                 \_ hmm, and prone to panicking, o.k. maybe things haven't
                        changed.

9/7     Excellent 10 page article on the US/Mexico border.  Read before jerking
        that knee, no matter what side you think that you're on.
        http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/09/exodus.html
        \_ That article's got more spin then the ball at a globetrotters game.
           \_ Care to cite an example?
              \_ "economic theology", "brown invasion" these terms carry
                 a great deal more than information on the condition of
                 the border and enforcement.
              \_ "We worry about nuclear weapons that are not controlled by
                 white people"

9/7     Dress like 'Mac':
        http://www.lifeclever.com/2006/09/07/how-to-dress-like-a-mac

9/7     Iraq deaths multiply in new count
        http://tinyurl.com/qmmsp (news.yahoo.com)
        "BAGHDAD, Iraq - Updated figures from Iraq's Health Ministry show there
        was no significant decline in violent deaths in Baghdad last month, but
        the U.S. military insisted Thursday the murder rate in the capital had
        fallen by 52 percent."
        \_ So...how hard is it to get a concealed carry permit in Baghdad?
           \_ Who there would want to conceal?
              \_ According to the motd gun gods, everyone should be concealing
                 there, because then no one will know who has a gun, and
                 everyone will be polite and peaceful.  Apparently this is a
                 better deterent to violence than slinging an AK across your
                 shoulder in plain sight.
                 \_ Straw man.  Try again.
                    \_ Try what?  I think I've made my point.  Deterrence
                       works when your potential attacker actually knows you're
                       packing.  I support the right to both open carry and
                       concealed carry, but I think it's open carry that
                       is more likely to deter crimes, and that most motd
                       gun nuts are so blinded by their rage about california's
                       restrictive gun laws that they've lost sight of this.
                       In the words of Dr. Strangelove "vay didn't you tell
                       ze verld??!!"
        \_ "He fell on some bullets"

9/7     Is the kind of Russians with light skin (e.g. Gorbachev, Putin)
        considered White or European?  Thx.
        \_ Geographically, Russia is a transcontinental nation. (Ural mountains
           are commonly regarded as the border between Asia and Europe).
           However, regardless of the part of Russia they're living in, the
           ethnic Russians culturally are very European, more specifically
           they're eastern European since they share strong historic and
           cultural ties with the other Slavs.

9/6     Iraqis Will Greet U.S. Soldiers As Liberators. God Bless.
        http://tinyurl.com/2t2u2 (dslextreme.com/users/markpoyser)
        \_ See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack
           each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass
           destruction.
        \_ I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And whats best is
           for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the Secretary of Defense
        \_ We've got hundreds of sites to exploit, looking for the chemical
           and biological weapons that we know Saddam Hussein had prior to
           our entrance into Iraq
        \_ We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.
           [a few months later]
           I don't believe anyone that I know in the administration
           ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons.
        \_ Housing prices will never fall.
           \_ Pluto will always be our 9th planet.
              \_ Nooooo!!!! I just got a 103% mortgage on an unbuilt condo on
                 Pluto because the realtor told me it would be a planet forever
                 and that the 650,000 dollar price would double within five
                 years no matter what!!  I'm doomed!

9/6     Purge, Iranian style!
        http://tinyurl.com/j2kzx (iht.com - Int'l Herald Tribune)
        \_ Sounds like he's been taking notes from David Horowitz.
        \_ Persian girls are hot.  Just check http://persiankitty.com.

9/7     d_skin protective cover for CDs/DVDs:
        http://www.d-skin.com/how_it_works.htm
        \_ Amazon reviews are not favorable:
           http://csua.org/u/guw

9/7     Blair will resign w/in 1 year:
        http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2405434&page=1
        \_ and more than half of those in a recent poll want him out
           now, now, now.  like that's gonna happen with the U.S. mid-terms
           around the corner.  See prediction below from Aug 8:
           [http://csua.org/u/gn5
           I'm pretty sure this is the spin machine trying to keep Blair as PM
           for another year]
           \_ Sadly, the poll question is never given verbatim.  The same poll
              also shows 50% of respondents saying 9/11 was an Israeli-U.S.
              plot.
              http://csua.org/u/gn9 (channel4.com)
           around the corner.

9/7     FYI, the Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 65W (energy-efficient) retail CPU is now
        available on http://mwave.com for $250 (zipzoomfly has been advertising $295+
        for several weeks, newegg doesn't have it)
        \_ Nooo!  It's all about the E6600!  /me rubs his E6600 all over his
           pale, naked body.
           \_ Well the E6600 is somewhat faster than the 4600+.  A fairer
              comparison would probably be the E6300 which should be available
              under $200.
              \_ don't forget mobo cost for Core 2 Duo and quality being
                 a concern (basically all the "my e6300 is 50+ deg C" wtf
                 posts on http://hardforum.com and the C2D being the fastest ramp
                 Intel has ever had to perform and a major architectural
                 change).  AMD has had no quality issues recently.
                 fyi, if you do get C2D, get E6600 or above, I don't see as
                 many posts about temp issues.  dgies maxes @ 40C at load.
                 I'm speculating, but I think there are many e6300/e6400's out
                 there that are e6600+'s with the shitty half of 4MB-shared-
                 cache turned off.  You will need to research a reasonable
                 price/perf mobo (for non-overclockers) which is the other
                 1/2 of the eqn.
                 \_ Why would I want to put it in my computer?  I'm too busy
                    pleasuring myself with it.
                    \_ ob what you do with the thermal gel is your business
                       \_ my chip runs at 37C, baby.

9/8     When you're on a bicycle making a tight turn, should you turn your
        weight into the turn like motorcycles to make the curve better?
        http://www.soundrider.com/images/Riding%20Skills/Unglued/coming5.gif
        \_ user/pass?
        Also, when you need to brake in a turn should you use your rear
        or front more?
        \_ Generally, on a bicycle you should lean the bike more than your
           body, the opposite of the motorcycle situation.  You don't have
           pegs or pipes to hit ground on a bicycle.
           You have a limited amount of traction in a corner, and that
           traction can be used for either braking or cornering.  If
           you have to brake in a corner, straighten up as much as you
           can, and hit both brakes.  The actual rearward force mostly
           comes from the front brake, because your weight transfers
           forward when you brake.  -tom
        \_ In some conditions you might do that, I think mainly if
           there is poor traction. But you don't really see road racers
           doing that. It's kind of dangerous.
           For braking, rear is more stable. Front braking can make you
           wash out the front tire.

9/7     So, if a terrorist stuck a stick of dynamite up his ass, how
        would airports catch that? Or had explosive constituent liquids
        in there in a bag. Or just strapped the liquids next to their
        body. They don't x-ray people yet right?
        \_ If you have a good explosives sniffer, it'll probably pick it
           up.  There was something in the news recently about a DHS fuckup
           with funding for some really kickass Japanese machine.  Plus
           the guy would be walking funny.  -John

9/7     What is a good name to buy for gas stove in $1xxx range?  Is
        16,000BTU enough for an Asian kitchen?  Thanks!!
        \_ Not if you intend to cook your asians whole.  You'll probably
           have to cut them up a bit. -mrauser
           \_ 16000BTU is more than enough to simmer asians whole, provided
              you have a big enough pot.

9/7     Any decent young black men out there that love thick women?
        \_ Right here, baby.  -Fat Albert
        \_ You should look outside that ethnic group for men to
           improve your odds.  Due to racism, unequal application
           of the law, and economic factors, a huge percentage of
           young male blacks are in prison, leaving the rest in
           insanely high demand.  Your odds are poor especially
           if you're not really attractive.
           \_ If you repeatedly get caught selling drugs, stealing stuff,
              mugging, or shooting people, you go to jail regardless of skin
              color. There is nothing racist about that. You also forgot to
              mention a culture that resists assimilation into the mainstream
              and looks down upon those who do try to succeed.
              \_ I think "get caught" is the operative phrase here. Blacks
                 and whites have similar rates of drug use, but blacks are
                 three times as likely to be incarcerated for it.
                 \_ Don't confuse the issue with your blasted facts!

9/7     Is anyone noticing mail being delivered a few days delayed?
        I'm on some different mailing lists (hosted on different
        servers) and I'm getting mails from those lists today that
        have headers indicating they were sent on Monday, Tuesday, and
        Wednesday, but lo and behold it is Thursday!    --srgordon
        \_ Yes, but the question is, is anyone doing anything about it?
        \_ maybe this has something to do with it.
           MTA Queue status...
                /var/spool/mqueue (116513 requests)
           \_ That does not bode well.  Does anyone with super root-like
              powers have any insight into the problem and when it might
              be resolved?  Many thanks...  --srgordon