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| 2006/9/1-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:44224 Activity:nil |
9/1 Who's the greatest 1337 h4x0r in the entire history of CSUA?
Sameer. C2, great programmer, nice guy, self made millionaire.
Sameer is the greatest 1337 h4x0r of CSUA.
\_ Duh, Phil is.
\_ Isn't Sameer in the marines now or something? -John
\_ Isn't the gtk toolkit, included with just about every single
goddamn linux install in the universe, based on work by
josh, spencer, and pete ? I think that makes them uber
super hackers.
\_ I'd go with tawei. No question.
\_ Who?
\_ Tawei Liao: http://ereview.com/archive/tawei
I love his wanted ad though I'm not sure exactly what he
contributed to the hax0r or computer science community |
| 2006/9/1-3 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:44225 Activity:moderate |
8/31 Suppose the ice-age instead of global warming is occuring. Would
the scientists start to suggest everyone to consume as much as
possible, and suggest people to drive SUVs and use as much energy
as possible as a method of saving earth?
\_ Global warming & ice age may be one and the same thing. Bad
troll, no troll snack. -John
\_ So the earth heating up causes it to cool down?
\_ the earth heating up causes *some places* to cool down.
Climate is a chaotic system. -tom
\_ Chaotic, meaning unpredictable?
\_ No, as in chaos theory, I assume. Look up the
various oceanic conveyors. -John
\_ So fluid dynamics is a solved problem?
\_ Do you have a point?
\_ Absolutely. "GW & ice age may be one and the
same thing" is not at all the same as "the
earth heating up causes *some places* to
cool down". The second statement may be
true. The first statement is ridiculous. It
is the first statement I was replying to, the
second statement, although possibly true, has
nothing to do with the thread. What was your
point?
\_ My statement would have been ridiculous if
you had said "global ice age." Nice try.
And you did catch "may", right? -John
\_ No. They would still suggest people to cut back energy usage on
driving, and spend the energy on heating homes and greenhouses. |
| 2006/9/1-3 [Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:44226 Activity:kinda low |
8/31 7/25 bought my Prius
8/9 Got my license plate number, sent $8.00 application
8/30 Got my actual license plate
8/31 Got my carpool stickers
I can carpool now. I have special privileges for about a year.
I am so cool!!!!!! -Prius owner asking to be flamed
\_ Thanks for overpaying for your car purchase. That is exactly the
sort of thing the economy needs to stay revved up. You, sir, are
a great American!
\_ I'm a consultant making well over 6 digits and the time I saved
on the carpool lane is well worth it, although I have to admit
that at times the carpool lane is just as slow as the other
lanes.
\_ Supply and demand.
\_ What about it?
\_ There was no overpaying.
\_ Do not be too proud of this technological marvel that you have
purchased, zero emissions are insignificant when confronted w/
an H2 in a head on collision.
\_ Is the Prius a zero-emission vehicle?
\_ Intermittently it is |
| 2006/9/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:44227 Activity:low |
9/1 motd boob guy, i have gift for you
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/dubracks/Britt/407e5218.jpg
\_ Scary troll!
\_ I think she's appeared on http://bustywebshots.blogspot.com before. |
| 2006/9/1-3 [Uncategorized] UID:44228 Activity:nil |
9/1 How do I disable anonymous browsing in bugzilla? |
| 2006/9/1-5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran] UID:44229 Activity:nil |
9/1 No, Iran and N.Korea, You can't do this, only -benign- power like USA
is allow to test its nukes:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200608/s1728616.htm
May be USA should sign Nuclear Test Ban Treaty... May be we should
impose economic sanction on those who violates NPT... which is...
err... ourselves.
\_ Well, we are neither importing from nor exporting to ourselves.
\_ We should do whatever is in our national interest. Iran should do
whatever is in their national interest. Any nation that does not
do whatever is in their national interest will cease to be a nation
and will be replaced by one or more entities that do whatever is in
their own interest.
\_ but they are axis of evil and we are doing everything defend
democracy and human rights.
\_ thanks for trolling the thread today. the rest of us will
be having a discussion elsewhere that you're welcome to
contribute to.
\_ Acting in our interest does not necessarily translate into
acting against the interests of other nations; the overlap of
these interests is the basis of diplomacy.
\_ I didn't specify what "interest" meant. For example, a tiny
weak country may find it is in their interest to do whatever
their larger neighbor wants a la "Findlandization" during the
Soviet era. The Fins didn't like this policy but it was in
their interests to knuckle under to avoid invasion and out-
right take over. Had Finland told the Soviets to piss off
that would have not been in their national interest because
shortly after there wouldn't be a Finland.
\- in general, the two behaviours are called
"bandwagoning" vs. "balancing" [as in
"balance of power"]. BTW, if you are
interested in IR theory it is pretty
amazing how much you can learn from
Thucydides: History of the Peloponnesian War ...
given that it is a 2400 yr old story and "only"
involved a few greek city-states.
\_ Read it. Great stuff.
\_ Five countries are permitted under the NPT to possess nuclear
weapons, by virtue of their having nukes at the time they signed the
treaty. Notable countries w/nuke tech but w/o nuke weapons who have
signed: Japan, Iran. Notable countries which produced nukes at
signed: Japan, Iran. Notable countries which developed nukes at
a time when they were not NPT signatories: India, Pakistan, Israel.
Now guess which countries had nukes at the time they signed the NPT?
Iran. Now guess which countries had nukes at the time they signed
the NPT? |
| 2006/9/1-5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran] UID:44230 Activity:kinda low |
9/1 Highly enriched uranium found in peace love electricity needing Iran.
http://upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060901-070212-4100r
\_ Why do you bother? I think it's clear they want a bomb, they're
working towards a bomb, and that likely they'll get a bomb, the
only thing up for discussion right now is whether or not they
have any "right" to it, and how to deal with them once they
succeed... -John
\_ There is no such thing as a "right" to anything. They either
have the tech, the resources and the will power to do it or
they don't. The rest of the world has the tech, the resources
and the will power to stop them or they don't. There is no
such thing as international rights, international law or other
similar fabrications.
\_ hey, the freshmen are back in town. -tom
\_ ad hominem. non-responsive. F.
\_ Responding to a red herring is pointless. -tom
\_ then don't respond if you feel it is a red herring.
ad hominem is never the appropriate response. also,
you might want to look up "red herring".
\_ exactly which MOTD have you been reading? -tom
\_ the same one as you. mine has tons of smart
people talking about interesting stuff who
often provide links to sites and info I
wouldn't otherwise see, interspersed with a
few non-contributors. what is on your motd?
\_ apparently, mine has self-righteous
anonymous cowards who love MOTD Boob Guy.
-tom
\_ mine also has a few mostly harmless
people amusing themselves and a few
others. nothing wrong with that.
\_ Of course they have a right to it. They have a right to make a
massive weapon that they can use to threaten their enemies with.
And we have a right to do everything in our power to stop them
from getting it. It's not about rights. It's about power. We
have it and we don't want them to get it.
\_ Agreed.
\_ Kewl, so we can forget about all that UN silliness, or the WTO
or any sense of obligation to honor treaties we sign, might
makes right! W00t! -John
\_ Welcome to the real world. If a long term treaty obligation
is against a nation's interests they *should* break the
treaty unless breaking it involves even worse consequences.
Everything is about national interest and a nation's ability
to enforce their will. The UN, WTO, and every other multi-
national .org only exist at the whim of the member states who
have decided that continuing the existence of these groups and
sometimes following their rules is more valuable than
scrapping the agreements and going alone. The UN isn't some
magical creature that has some inherent right and power. Like
the League of Nations it is likely to be swept aside by
history only to be remembered by historians as an interesting
footnote at best. Nations will continue on by some name.
Powerless orgs will come and go.
\_ So if there are no cops around, and I'm confident that I
can kick your ass and take your lunch money, than I not
only *can* kick your ass and take your lunch money, I have
the historical mandate to do so. Could you please post how
much lunch money you usually carry, where you eat lunch,
and how you get there? Thanks!
\- the lunch episode exists in a state of
law ["the cops are not around"]. states
exist in an anarchic system [anarchic =
no hierarchy, not "it is random and
chaotic"]. life for individual in the
(anarhcic) state of nature is "nasty,
brutish, and short" ... but a state can
potentially survive [e.g. it doesnt have
to sleep], but it needs to rely on itself.
anayway, you cannot compare the possibility
of cooperation under the rule of a soverign
[who can enforce contracts, has monopoly on
use of force etc], and the self-help system
that characterizes the system of states.
See: Hedley Bull: The Anarchical Society (not
that great, but it is The Standard for background),
and Waltz: Man, the State and War (excellent,
not too hard going), and Waltz: Theory of Interntl
Politics (some what involved read, but The Standard
on IR).
\_ Yes and no. If you're willing to deal with the
consequences afterwards then yes you might get one
day's worth of lunch money and then find yourself
suspended from school or your knees broken the next day,
etc. Cute analogy but doesn't fully apply since you
and I aren't nations. The difference between personal
conflict and national is that nations are more
amorphous than people but can theoretically live on
forever. Individuals are always subject to the
consequences of their actions by the state, their
neighbors, etc. Unless you're a super villain you
can't get away with things a powerful nation can, or
even a weaker nation within it's own regional sphere
of influence. I'm sure you knew all this but I thought
your cute reply deserved a response.
\_ stop digging. -tom
\_ uh whatever.
\_ I bet you're one of these people who're surprised
about being treated rudely as an American when
abroad or when a bomb goes off in Manhattan. There
are no "international cops", yes, but you know what,
in the absence of law & order, vigilanteism arises.
And guess what, if the response of the stronger is
to go kick the ass of the weaker, the weaker won't
hit back at the stronger's army, they'll hit back at
his soft spot, i.e. you. -John
\_ All part of national interest. Being treated
rudely as a tourist has to be weighed against
other interests. In my book that weighs quite
low. Anyway, if I get treated rudely as a tourist
it is much more likely because most people are
just rude idiots or they simply hate all tourists
than some grand geo-political statement and their
small effort to Fight The Man. As far as soft vs.
hard spots goes, that is another thing to be
weighed. I'm sure the US would be safe from
Muslim terrorists if we all converted to Islam,
\_ If you really believe this, then you're an
idiot.
\_ If you really believe this, then you're an
idiot.
but I'm ok being a soft spot rather than join an
ugly 8th century cult of death. I certainly
agree that we're taking the wrong approach to
the middle east's Islamic states. We should
either just go home, leave a power gap and let
it sort itself out or stomp them down for real
instead of this namby pamby stuff. I'll bet the
secular states in the region would much more
quickly crush the extremist Islamic movements in
their areas than us if their to their own devices. |
| 2006/9/1-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44231 Activity:nil |
9/1 More proof that Karl Rove was involved and Bush should be impeached.
Of course there won't be a single mea culpa on this one from the left.
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101460_pf.html
"Nevertheless, it now appears that the person most responsible for the
end of Ms. Plame's CIA career is Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson chose to go
public with an explosive charge, claiming -- falsely, as it turned out
-- that he had debunked reports of Iraqi uranium-shopping in Niger and
that his report had circulated to senior administration officials. He
ought to have expected that both those officials and journalists such
as Mr. Novak would ask why a retired ambassador would have been sent
on such a mission and that the answer would point to his wife. He
diverted responsibility from himself and his false charges by claiming
that President Bush's closest aides had engaged in an illegal
conspiracy. It's unfortunate that so many people took him seriously."
\_ If this was all so harmless, why did Cheney's chief of staff
take the risk of lying to a federal prosecutor about it?
\_ Who said he lied about it? Has he been found guilty of anything?
In this country he's still innocent until *proven* guilty in a
*court of law* not the media. No one has been found guilty of
anything except Armitage, Powell, and the State Department folks
who knew the truth years ago and only recently let it be known.
\_ err... Guantonimo Bay, Cuba?
\_ Uh? what's that have to do with scooter or plame/wilson or
anything else on this thread?
\_ That op-ed seems deluded. There is plenty of evidence that
Cheney and Rove instructed their staff to gather 'dirt' on
Wilson and ruin anyone who got in the way of their
campaign to convince the public that Iraq was trying to
acquire nuclear weapons.
\_ Plenty of evidence, such as? This is from the WaPo who were at
the forefront of the "frog-march Cheney" brigade. This is a huge
180 from their former position. What do you know that the WaPo
doesn't?
\_ Joe Wilson on the matter of Iraq, Niger, and yellowcake:
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm
\_ Published in 2003 and since then, fortunately, enough facts have
come out that even WaPo now says he's a liar. Seriously,
sometimes people we trust, especially public gov. figures with
an axe to grind lie to us. Wilson is a liar. Delay is corrupt.
The other guy was stashing $90k in his freezer. Most of them
are cheating on their spouses, taking campaign money in exchange
for votes and 'custom' legislation, taking freebie trips on your
tax dollars and their patron corporate sponsors. Washington is
dirty. There are no clean hands in the entire city, no heros.
dirty. There are no clean hands in the entire city, no heroes.
Deal with it.
\_ the WaPo editorial board is full of nincompoops
\_ For a bunch of nincompoops they sure do get quoted a lot
on the motd without anyone questioning the quality of
their editorials or their neutrality.
\_ Spell out for me, using facts and sources, how Wilson was
wrong about Iraq, Niger, and yellowcake.
\_ Answering myself, so don't bother to flame:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake_Forgery#Butler_Report_2
\_ I don't have an agenda or an axe to grind. I wouldn't
have flamed. I'm interested in the truth and a govern-
ment free of corruption no matter who is in office.
There are no heroes in Washington D.C. I don't see it
as you vs. me but the truth vs. a blizzard of lies and
propaganda from the agenda driven power pols in DC, the
media, corporate board rooms, etc. Had Wilson proved to
be honest and if his wife was actually a secret agent
who got her cover blown then I'd be the first one
calling for heads to roll. |
| 2006/9/1-3 [Uncategorized] UID:44232 Activity:nil |
9/1 Sorcery makes my skin crawl!
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3298039,00.html |
| 2006/9/1-3 [Uncategorized] UID:44233 Activity:nil |
9/1 Which cell phone carrier has the cheapest
'as many text messages as you can handle' plan? |
| 2006/9/1-4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44234 Activity:nil |
9/1 http://csua.org/u/gtm (realtor.org) "We've never seen a general decline in the housing market against a healthy economic backdrop where jobs are being created, the economy is growing and interest rates are favorable ... Contributing to this hesitancy is a lot of negative news stories, but in the end we believe that underlying market fundamentals will prevail." - National Association of Realtors Chief Economist David Lereah \_ http://davidlereahwatch.blogspot.com I have no further comments. \_ This is just a bunch of quotes from D.L. archived by some random dude (as far as I can figure). What about it? \_ That guy is a hack. \_ Correction - "hack" doesn't really get it right. More like "That guy is a paid shill for the real estate industry." \_ there is a report that we are already in a recession! \_ There is no civil war, we're not losing the war in Iraq, and the economy is stronger than ever. -Republican |
| 2006/9/1-3 [Computer/Networking, Computer/HW] UID:44235 Activity:nil |
9/1 I want to add a quick and dirty alias for a server on my local machine.
So instead of using some-really-long-host-name, I want to use srlhn:
scp me@srlhn:foo
But if I put that into /etc/hosts, it requires an IP address, and this
server may be changing its IP address from time to time. I'm not
running DNS. Any suggestions?
-- tcsh user suffering from RSI
\_ read the ssh config man page,
just edit your personal ssh settings in
~user/.ssh/config
Host srlhn
HostName some-really-long-host-name
\_ my fingers and I thank you. |
| 2006/9/1-5 [Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:44236 Activity:nil |
9/1 Diesel > Hybrids >>> Hydrogen
http://www.dailyreckoning.com/LP/CarOfTheFurture.html
\_ "On an open road, the conventional engine actually gets better gas
mileage. When you look at the Prius's true mileage, there are
plenty of conventional vehicles that do as well or better."
\_ are you stupid or something? Hybrid is best at stop-n-go
traffic where accelearation/deceleration is frequent. For that
purpose alone, hybrid is worth the investment.
*FURTHER* great thing about hybrid is that it's not an
exclusive technology. we could easily come up with a
electric / diesel hybrid that take advantage of both world.
By the way, the reasons why GM and rest hyped about hydrogen
are: 1. it is decades away so it's a good PR stunt to prentent
they are doing SOMETHING about the environment. 2. guess where
the hydrogen going to come from? you bet, fossil fuel. So,
by going with hydrogen, car makers won't break the centry-old
alliance with the petroleum industry.
\_ hybrids don't break that either. what would you have them do?
\_ if you know anything about this subject, you will know that
it is impossible to break dependency on fossil fuel.
Instead of shooting for an impossible dream, one need to
embrace incremental improvement on efficiency.
\_ momma always said stupid is as stupid does
\_ Do hybrids have a giant battery similar to pure electrics? Battery
disposal is going to be a huge problem later.
\_ Uh, diesel and hybrids aren't mutually exclusive (and
"future" has only one "r"). |
| 2006/9/1-4 [Science/Electric] UID:44237 Activity:nil |
9/1 eGo, go electric! http://www.egovehicles.com/home/index.cfm?doc_id=1 |
| 2006/9/1-5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44238 Activity:nil |
9/1 Headlines as of 2PM:
FoxNews: Iraq Edging Closer to Civil War, Report Says
CNN: Pentagon: Cold-blooded carnage soaring in Iraq
Edging closer vs carnage soaring. Fair and balanced my ass.
\_ You can have soaring carnage without a civil war. They should
use that headline. "Soaring carnage, edging closer to civil war" |
| 2006/9/1 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:44239 Activity:nil 90%like:44243 |
9/1 Cal Thomas, "Al Gore is Right About the Media" http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/al_gore_is_right_about_the_med.html |
| 2006/9/1-5 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:44240 Activity:nil |
9/1 How many of you bought one of those new Intel CPUs, whatd you pay
and what are you doing with it? --Just curious
\_ E6600, $380 on release day, games and replacing old machine mostly.
\_ didn't buy, leery of initial CPU/mobo releases and especially the
strange mobo pricing for Core 2 Duo. The dev and ramping of C2D
seem unusually rushed.
seem worryingly rushed. Also, review sites need to perform reviews
on anonymously ordered CPUs, not on CPUs donated by Intel which
probably have lowest power draw for its stepping, the donations
occurring far in advance of widespread product availability. |
| 2006/9/1 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/India] UID:44241 Activity:nil 85%like:44244 |
9/1 http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-01-afghanistan-opium_x.htm We're already in there, how about using Agent Orange? \_ Because it's toxic to humans? [don't edit my posts please, add your own comment if you have something to say. thanks.] |
| 2006/9/1 [Uncategorized] UID:44242 Activity:moderate |
9/1 The "Scream" was recovered:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5303200.stm
\_ See yesterday's thread on the same topic below. |
| 2006/9/1-5 [Recreation/Celebrity, Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:44243 Activity:nil 90%like:44239 |
9/1 Cal Thomas, "Al Gore is Right About the Media"
http://tinyurl.com/kad79 (realclearpolitics.com)
\_ Who the hell is Cal Thomas? |
| 2006/9/1-5 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44244 Activity:nil 85%like:44241 |
9/1 http://tinyurl.com/l6j3a (usatoday.com) We're already in there, how about using Agent Orange? \_ Because it's toxic to humans? \_ Because it's toxic to Americans? [don't edit my posts please, add your own comment if you have something to say. thanks.] something to say. thanks. -white person] \_ Because it's toxic to harmans? |
| 2006/9/1-5 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:44245 Activity:moderate |
9/1 I want to give a small gift to several faculty members who are
writing me letters of recommendation. What's an appropriate,
professional gift I could get them? Any ideas will be appreciated.
Thanks.
\_ A big brown paper bag full of cash. Make sure you hand it over
in person with no witnesses present. Preferably in a dark
alley.
\_ If you are female and the professors are female, get a gift card
to Nordstrom or a day spa like Burke Williams.
If you are male and the professors are female, get a gift card to
your favorite classy lunch spot.
If you are female and the professors are male, a simple piece
of paper with your phone number written on it, along with the
short message "Call me anytime" will suffice.
If you are male and the professors are male, then you are a total
fag.
\_ Succeed in their field and expand their empire. Mwuahahahah!!!
I think it's clear what they all want.
\_ Paper weight.
\_ Starbucks gift cards. My profs really liked these.
\_ Nice pens. -John
\_ but nice pens cost a lot. wouldn't you think it would both
parties a bit uncomfortable? How about a nice, made-in-China
fake pens? Tell him/her flat out that those are fakes. It
has a lot of entertainment value.
\_ They needed. Yes, if you're looking at ebony & silver
\_ They needn't. Yes, if you're looking at ebony & silver
Faber-Castell fountain pens, they'll run a few hundred. But
Cross and others make really nice, not-crazily-priced ones
too. Anyway, it was just a suggestion. The wine idea
below is good too (just make sure they drink.) -John
\- ObBottleofWineInYourBudget. Even if faculty member doesnt
drink can take to colleague party. Give a gift that is
consumable rather than persistent. If you are in Berkeley,
go down to Kermit Lynch and talk to one of them.
\_ Does a big variety bag full of different types
of condoms from Good Vibrations count as
"consumable rather than persistent?"
\_ Yes, those are consumable. However, you may
be sending the wrong message to your professor.
\_ I considered wine, but I then I thought (falsely?)
that alcohol might be inappropriate. I'll
consider it now. -op
\- a bottle of tequila is inappropriate.
wine is ok. [well i suppose it is
possible if one is muslim or something
like that it might be inapprorpate.
but wine is easy to get rid of in the
academic social milleu]. wine is the
standard. |
| 2006/9/1-5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:44246 Activity:kinda low |
9/1 The UN finds the perfect force to prevent Hezbollah from rearming!
Syria (not kidding)
http://tinyurl.com/gskah (cnn.com)
\_ Israel has made one stragetic mistake after another. One of the
biggest mistake is impose air and see embargo against Lebanon
even cease fire has taken effect. By doing so, Lebanon's only
route to the outside world is via Syria. UN has previously express
"concern" that weapons will flow to the Hezbollah and some even
propose having an international force patrol the border. Syria
threatening to close off the border complely if UN decided to do so,
which will spark humantarian crisis among Lebanonese civilians.
UN right now have no choice but allow Syrian do whatever they want
to keep the border open.
\_ 1) So in order to keep weapons from flowing back in to rearm
Hezbollah, your best answer is to completely open all the
borders so they can be rearmed via land, air or sea instead of
just the Syrian border? 2) The UN has never had any choice in
just the Syrian border?
\_ No, I am saying that a better alternative is to open air and
sea, but have an UN mandated patrol along with Syria border.
If Syria decide to seal the border, than, we can actually
say "go ahead."
\_ Exactly. So with open sea and air, weapons can fly and
float right in directly from Iran or anywhere else in the
world. What a brilliant idea. That way there is no real
pressure on the Syrians to keep weapons from flooding in
via their border so they can claim they adhered to the
UN border mandate, we can all feel really good about a
diplomatic success, Hezbollah can rearm really fast, so
they can get back to what they do best: killing civilians
by firing rockets over a settled border with a nation that
isn't occupying any Lebanese land in order to 'resist'
the continuing non-occupation of Lebanese land. Truly
brilliant. There's a place in the State Department for
people with ideas like that.
\_ 1. flying air and transfer by sea is more difficult than
truck loads of AK47s and rockets. 2. airport and harbors
are in the full control of Lebanonese government, which
is a better party to deal with. Would these measure
stop the flow of weapons? no. would it slow it down and
make the logistics more expensive for Hezbollah? i
would say yes. The purpose is making rearming Hezbollah
difficult. If this means make Syria looked good at the
same time, so be it.
\_ No, the purpose is to prevent Hezbollah from ever
rearming. I have no idea where you came up with
the idea that shipping by truck is somehow more
efficient than shipping by... ship. And by air
is certainly faster if speed is important. As
far as dealing with the Lebanese government being
a better party to deal with... better than what?
Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government and
also separate and stronger than the Lebanese
government in the ways that count. You're just
making up random stuff and really have no idea
what you're talking about. Ending the blockade
will not somehow magically make it harder to bring
in a zillion tons of weapons to Hezbollah at a
critical time in the region.
\_ I am more realistic, you want all-or-nothing
which won't get you anywhere. Airport and
harbor are a much easier to control than a
complete open-border. If you are talking about
smuggling, then, it's a different story.
You can't stop Smuggling. you can only manage it.
\_ That isn't realism. That's fatalism. "It is
hard so let's pretend to do something useful
elsewhere and ignore the elephant walking
across the border". There is no benefit at all
to Israel to end the blockade. There is a big
short term minus to the Lebanese to have a
strict blockade and a big long term plus if it
means their weak and ineffective government
will finally be out of excuses and be forced to
take control of their own territory from
Hezbollah which can then lead to peace, trade,
and normalized relations with Israel which is
good for everyone, except Hezbollah, Syria,
and Iran.
2) The UN has never had any choice in
anything anywhere in the world. The UN is powerless and exists
at the whim of the member nations. It has an extremely poor
track record of enforcement. Why? Because enFORCEment requires
at least the implied threat of FORCE which is impossible for the
UN as a dependent body. The UN does not exist to make anything
happen. It exists as a place where the countries of the world
can air their grievances in the _hope_ that a diplomatic
solution can be formed. 3) It is long past time for the locals
to kick the foreign funded Hezbollah to the curb and retake
their country but the government of Lebanon isn't interested in
their own people's well being.
\_ The government of Lebanon is trying to avoid another civil
war which no one but Syria was able to stablize it.
This entire notion of having UN peace keeper is a joke.
In order to enforce the peace, UN need to have the capability
and the stomach to both take on Hezbollah *AND* Israel.
UN forces can't do anything. Its presense is nothing but
a face-saving gesture for both side to stop fighting.
\_ I feel bad for the Lebanese, the ones I know (these are the
civilized, merchant ones, not the unwashedeen) hate the Syrians and
Hezbollah almost as much as the Israelis. Poor bastards. -John
\_ Hate Hezbollah? Ack! They must be anti-Arabists and hate
the Lebanese people too! Hezbollah, as we all know, is merely
defending the good people of Lebanon from the evil Jew Zionist
Occupiers.
\_ those who live in Lebanon no longer hates Hezbollah. Thanks to
US policy :D |
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9/2 Iranian views of US from an ex-official
http://tinyurl.com/ojgtj
This guy got his finger nail torned during Shah's regime because
of his political activities back in the day.
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