Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2006:August:07 Monday <Sunday, Tuesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2006/8/7 [Uncategorized] UID:43927 Activity:low 75%like:43930
8/6     Any recommendations on local (Berkeley) retailers that sell Katyusha
        rockets? How about online?
        \_ <DEAD><DEAD>
2006/8/7-11 [Computer/SW/Compilers] UID:43928 Activity:nil
8/7     OK all you compiler geniuses looking for a cool job:
        \_ Why do you keep posting this?
           \_ There must be no compiler geniuses reading motd, only sysadmins
2006/8/7-11 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:43929 Activity:nil
8/7     hey ax watch this when you get home from work
        \_ Is there a CSUA login?
           \_ Use to find a login.
                \_ That was work safe in my book, but thanks for thinking
                   of me.  Has anyone one noticed any patterns concerning
                   women who wear Bebe shirts?  -ax
                   \_ I wanna work where you work.  I think there's
                      a pattern for chicks who wear Hollister shirts.
                      \_ one more for you
                         \_ Jesus Christ.
                            \_ That's not Jesus Christ. --Mel Gibson
2006/8/7-10 [Recreation/Activities] UID:43930 Activity:nil 75%like:43927
8/6     Any recommendations on local (Berkeley) retailers that sell tennis
        rackets? How about online?
        \_ Costco.
        \_ Plaza Tennis, on Solano - Bill (the owner) is very helpful, and
           they have a demo program.  I've bought rackets from them for over
           15 years...
2006/8/7-11 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:43931 Activity:nil
8/7     I need to flash my MB BIOS and I don't have a floppy drive.  Is it
        generally possible to boot off a USB thumb drive and flash from that?
        \_ Only if your BIOS allows you to boot from USB.  More common on
        \_ Assuming your MB supports booting from USB, you'll probably
           also need:
        \_ Unless you have some really odd hardware you should have a floppy
           port and power lead from your power supply.  If your BIOS doesn't
           support USB boot then temporarily installing a floppy (don't bother
           to screw it into the case, etc) is very easy.  You'll need to boot
           from a DOS image.  Try FreeDOS if your BIOS didn't come with a fully
           bootable floppy image file.
        \_ Of course. -proud AOL user
                       \_ So you're the one!
        \_ Make an eltorito bootable CD with a bootable DOS floppy image
           make sure to put the BIOS flash code and program in the image.
           Then you can boot from the CD and flash your BIOS. I've done it
           before. Works great..
2006/8/7-11 [Health/Sleeping] UID:43932 Activity:nil
8/7     Please help solve the Riddle of the Insane Former Roommate.  He stole
        all the lightbulbs, left burn marks on the matress, along with a
        brown powder of some kind, left knife slash marks in the pillow,
        cut out the screen with a knife, smashed the window, and stole all
        the glue from the garage.  He's long gone and this is not a particularly
        important issue, but the landlady and I have been trying to figure
        out what sort of shenanigans he was into just out of curiosity, and
        we are both totally ignorant of drug culture.  He was not smoking
        ciggarettes in the room.  Any guesses?
        \_ Was he skinny with lots of zits on his face?
           \_ No.  Most of his posessions were climbing-related, and he looked
              like a climber.  In good shape.
        \_ An ex-roommate did it to him, and he's just trying to pass along the
           crack meme.
        \_ Maybe he was just insane?
        \_ He didn't dump the glue into the sink drainage?  Lucky you.
        \_ Lightbulbs were stolen to light up his meth lab in the basement.
           Burn marks are from sparking up the glass pipe to smoke the meth.
           Slash marks are accidents from the knife used to cut and pound
           down the crystals to powder so that they burn better.  Screen
           was used to filter the meth powder and bits.  Smashing of the
           window was done in a meth-induced feeling of rage and euphoria.
           Glue was used for sniffing once he ran out of meth.  That about
           explains it.  -Robert Downey, Jr. and Anne Heche
2006/8/7-11 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:43933 Activity:nil
8/7     Microcenter in Santa Clara has E6600 processors, OEM for $379.  I just
        got one.  If they still have some, you can request a "one day hold".
        \_ I'm still wondering what use everyone has for a CPU like this that
           a CPU at half the cost won't do.  I understand this is the bang for
           the buck price point.  What's all that bang for anyway?
           \_ Games, multitasking a bit too much, and replacing an old box.
           \_ Well, what looks nice is that it's the cheapest chip of the
              next generation that just came out.  So you get that "next-gen"
              boost, but are still coming in on the bottom rung (which is
              the best price/perf at that level)
              \_ No it isn't, there is the E6300 etc.
                 \_ Right, but those are 2M cache, IIRC
                    \_ And again I ask, so?  What do you need 4M cache for?
                       What is all this bang going to bang on, so to speak?
                       \_ I'm not the OP, but... why do you ever buy a new
                          computer?  And when you do, don't you ever buy a
                          middle-to-new spec'ed one so that it'll last that
                          little bit longer?
                    \_ Then you should have said "cheapest chip of the next
                       Intel generation with 4MB cache".
        \_ pls report on the CPU temp and cooler you're using.  I'm reading
           on about three E6300's running > 60 degrees C at load.
           \_ Haven't assembled yet, but my cooler is rated for <0.25C/W so
              given 65W TDP and 30C case, I'd expect the mid 40's.  With bad
              case cooling and a less efficient cooler, I could imagine 60C.
              But keep in mind the Athlon X2s are rated at what, 89W?
              \_ you haven't heard the big argument about TDP for Intel and
                 AMD having two different meanings?
                 anyway, pls do report.  i'm really curious about whether
                 anyway, pls do report.  i'm concerned about whether
                 all the reviewers got super-clean CPUs, while the rabble
                 are getting crap.  thanks.
           \_ Better than my old-process Athlon XP which runs @ 82C
           \_ Better than my old-process Athlon XP 2100+ which runs @ 82C
              \_ AMD 4400+, ~20C idle, ~32C under full load.
                 \_ I have a little trouble believing the accuracy of that
                    measurement.  At idle, it should be no cooler than the
                    interior of your case, and 20C is pretty low for a case.
                    What case fans do you have and what is the ambient temp?
                    \_ Case: ExtremEngine 3T.  Temps are as measured by the
                       motherboard and cpu sensors.  I don't care enough to
                       stick a contact thermometer in the case to get more
                       accurate readings.  Ambient is about 20C, often
                       \_ I guess with that case I can believe your case temp
                          is that low. -pp
                    \_ i'm gonna guess he's water cooling!
                       \_ My 3.6GHz P4 is only -40C!*
                          (* When cooled with liquid nitrogen)
                          \_ My penis is 2 inches flaccid and 5 inches erect.
2006/8/7-11 [Computer/SW] UID:43934 Activity:nil
8/7     Hello guys, the nightmare is finally over. What a relief!
        "Hello, This is just an email verification for you that we've now
        closed your Account as you just requested via our web panel.
        You will no longer receive any bills from us (unless you kept an
        active domain _registration_ with us) nor other communications.
        We're very sorry it didn't work out and maybe we'll see you again
        someday!  Sincerely, The UnHappy DreamHost Goodbye Team"
        \_ If this had you that stressed out you're really in for it when
           real life smacks you in the face.
           \_ Please do not use my name in vain. --Real Life
2006/8/7-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:43935 Activity:nil
8/7     Dubya and the strawman (
        \_ Real men want Bush.  -redneck
2006/8/7-8 [Uncategorized] UID:43936 Activity:nil
8/7     I'm getting weird behavior in chaos Linux.  It appears that
        when a process has no children, it spin-waits on system
        calls, but when it has at least one child process, it blocks
        normally.  I don't want my processes to ever spin-wait.  Does
        anyone know if you can turn off spin-waiting??  (If you can,'t I
        guess I'll just have to launch a bunch of fake child processes.)
2006/8/7-11 [Uncategorized] UID:43937 Activity:nil
8/7     GLOBAL WARMING IS A FRAUD!!!!!11!!!!!111one
        \_ Ever heard of the wobble?
           \_ Is that kind of like the twist?  -Chubby Checker
           \_ No, but I've heard of the bootyshake. -Carmen Electra
2006/8/7-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:43938 Activity:nil
        Per Politburo's approval, the Berkeley Motd (formerly known as
        KAIS MOTD) will have advertisements on the right side, with proceeds
        going back to CSUA. Hopefully, people searching for UNIX help or
        looking for Intel chip info or any interesting and helpful topics
        on motd, will lead to more people clicking on the ads. In general
        the more technically helpful the topic is, the more click-thru-rates
        we'll get, so go ahead and contribute good contents [minus mindless
        political discussions] on motd for the sake of CSUA!        -kchang
        \_ What are the rates, and are there CSUA discounts?
        \_ PS I haven't added the ads yet. It should be there some time
           towards the end of this week. I just applied for an account
           (5:20PM today) and it returned "Your application has now been
           submitted for review and we will follow up with you by email in
           1-2 days." We'll have to wait. BTW I've never done this before,
           has anyone used the ad services from major ad companies before,
           and what kind of advice do you have? Thanks.
        \_ Alright, CSUA charity click fraud!
           \_ I kindly ask people to not click on the ads for the pure sake
              of generating revenue for CSUA. It is dishonest and does
              everyone a big disfavor, including ad consumers and ad
              producers. Ads that get excessive CTRs will in fact get tagged
              and future Berkeley sites may be subject to bans, and we may
              stop getting any revenue. Please click on the ads only if
              you're genuinely interested in buying the products.
                Lastly may I add that this is only an experiment, and may
              end should it fail. For example, it may fail to generate enough
              CTRs, too much CTRs (which gets us banned), or any other
              unforseable problems.
        \_ Don't be so sure. Political topics should generate lots of
           ads now that Nov 2006 is coming near!
           \_ Uh, like Vote For Pedro t-shirts and hats?
              \_ Vote for Pedro.  -pedro
              \_ What is up with the "Pedro" meme anyway?  Where is that
                \_ From the movie Napoleon Dynamite, you illiterate,
                   non-movie going ignoramus.  -pedro
        \_ Has the politburo checked with the campus policy people as to
           whether this is legal?  It's a risky area.  -tom
           \_ Excellent point tom. As someone who is intimately familiar
              with the University, do you think this would this be very
              different than say, ethnic groups in front of Sproul Hall
              selling ethnic food for club fund raising?
              \_ Yes, it's quite a bit different, because it involves
                 corporate businesses.  If La Raza let Taco Bell sell
                 burritos at their table on Sproul and took a share of
                 the profits, there would be some serious questions
                 about the appropriateness of the activity.
                 The Electronic Communications Policy says:

                 "University electronic communications resources may
                  not be used for: ...
                  * commercial purposes not under the auspices of the

                 If KAIS MOTD were hosted somewhere else, as it used to
                 be, it might not be an issue, but I think it's very likely
                 a problem while it's hosted on a Berkeley machine.  -tom
                 \_ Interesting. Oh well too bad.
2006/8/7-11 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:43939 Activity:nil
8/7     Where on the web can I find Windows Service Pack 2 for XP Pro.  I
        went to the microsoft update site or whatever, but didn't find it.
        \_ Your fu is weak.  Searching Google for "Windows XP SP2
           download" yields: (
           Or go to
           and click on "Download and deploy SP2 to multiple computers".
           \_ I found the one for multiple computers, but was looking for
              just one computer.  Thanks though.
              \_ then you should have gone to windowsupdates
              \_ Uh, whether for one computer or multiple computers,
                 it's the same service pack.  It's just a
                 redistributable version.  Or just run Windows Update
                 and if you need it, it'll tell you.
              \_ are you saying you have a pirated version of Windows and
                 looking for an update without WGA?
                 \_ There's nothing more pro-American than pirated
                    versions of WIndows!!  -proud American
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