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| 2006/7/20-23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:43737 Activity:nil |
7/20 If you click on individual UIDs on the Berkeley Motd you
may see somewhat relevant links below the line "You may also
be interested in these entries." Below is an example:
http://csua.com/?entry=43724 |
| 2006/7/20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:43738 Activity:nil |
7/19 Why is Bush groping the Chancellor of Germany? Did his wife
stop putting out? Can't he find a chubby intern or something?
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/07/19/bushs_grope_blitzmas.html
\_ Because he is an idiot.
\_ ob because Condi didn't seem to mind! |
| 2006/7/20-22 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:43739 Activity:nil |
7/20 Military analysts question Israeli bombing
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060720/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_strategic_bombing
"This is a classic strategic bombing campaign," said Stephen Biddle, a
former head of military studies at the U.S. Army War College now at the
Council on Foreign Relations. "What the Israelis are trying to do is
pressure others into solving their problem for them, hence the
targeting of civilian infrastructure."
\_ Dunno if you're talking about the gaza strip or lebanon.
In Lebanon, Hezbollah quite deliberately has all of their
offices in the 1st floor of dense apartment buildings
populated by civilians. Whatcha gonna do?
\_ Blow up the rocket installations and camps along the southern
Lebanon border, establish a DMZ with a range approx. equal to
the range of the rockets Hizbullah is chucking at your cities,
and call it a day. I have no issue with punishing Hizbullah;
I do have an issue when you start bombing civilians and calling
them collateral damage.
\_ So you think it's a good idea for Israel to grab an 80 mile
DMZ into Lebanon? You're just trolling, right? Please tell
us you're just trolling. No one sane can want that no matter
what 'side' they take in this.
\_ I'm trolling. Well, what I'm trying to say is that, no,
it wouldn't be a good idea for Israel to make an 80 mile
DMZ in Lebanon, but if they did, it would at least be more
reasonable and vaguely justifiable than the continued
bombing of Beirut.
\_ That looks like what Israel is planning on doing right now. |
| 2006/7/20-22 [Transportation/Car] UID:43740 Activity:low |
7/20 What is the greater violent menace to the Israeli people?
Here are the fatalities from Palestinian terrorism:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/osloterr.html
And here are the fatalities _so_far_this_year_ from the terrorists
of Detroit:
http://www.israelroadsafety.org
In other words, cars kill more israelis in a typical year than terrists
did in the *peak* of the intafada.
\_ gee, and cars kill 10 times more Americans in a typical year than
9/11 did. How insightful. -tom
\_ but there are also car terrorist in israel in addition to
hamas.. so there is double terrorism
\_ And your point is?
\_ My point is that the people who are frantically calling up
friends in Israel to see if they're ok, and who are jumping up
and down shouting about the End Times are completely out of
touch with reality. If one were in touch with reality, you'd
be worried about anyone who goes to Israel being killed by
a psycho driver on a shit road, and terrorism would not be
taken anywhere near as seroiusly in comparison. Especially since
terrorism is basically random, whereas calling up your friends
in Israel to remind them to wear seatbelts, drive less
aggressively, and wear helmets on their bikes might actually
save their life. My other point is that cars are a major
threat to world peace and that ending car culture is a national
security issue.
\_ Nice try, car culture guy, but you're still a silly idiot.
\_ Whoa you were kinda making sense until the last bit. -John
\_ Clearely we need to revert to a simpler, more peaceful and
safer way of life. Just like the Amish.
\_ or the Taliban
\_ I said Peaceful, the Taliban most decidedly were not
that.
\_ you just don't understand their culture has different
priorities. all cultures are equal.
\_ Some are just more equal than others.
\_ Wow, and cars provide no benefit that might make the risk
worth it.
\_ Don't forget all the benefits we get from terrorism!
\_ The terrorists win if we try to drive less and use more
public transportation.
\_ In some ways, that's almost true. If everyone is
driving in seperate cars, it's very hard to kill a
large number of them. Terrorists prefer to bomb
public transit.
\_ That's what they want you to think.
\_ Oh riiight! As if they've bombed so many buses and
trains compared to individual autos. Not a single
skateboarder has *ever* been killed by a suicide
bomber. Think about it!
\_ Ride bike! ^_^;;
\_ Really? Price per barrel will drop and we'll be buying
fewer barrels. So they'll be getting less money from us.
\_ Even worse than car accidents and terrorism is the fatality rate
of being born, at a staggering 100%. |
| 2006/7/20-21 [Computer/Domains] UID:43741 Activity:nil |
7/20 I assume other people have also been getting letters about their
domain names from "Domain Registry of America" - I've seen lots of
postings about the scams online. Is it legal for companies to take
the addresses associated with domain names and mail paper spam to
them? (I thought there were restrictions on this, in theory - since
the address is completely public...)
\_ I think (IANAL) it violates the TOS of most registrars. So
theoretically, they could deny the offender access, or even sue
them, but I dunno whether there are any specific US laws
banning this. -John
\_ "This is not a bill".... |
| 2006/7/20-22 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:43742 Activity:nil |
7/20 Check out the May 2 warning about traveling to Lebanon:
http://www.osac.gov/Reports/report.cfm?contentID=46555
"U.S. citizens who travel to Lebanon despite this Travel Warning should
exercise heightened caution when traveling in parts of the southern
suburbs of Beirut, portions of the Bekaa Valley and South Lebanon, and
the cities of Sidon and Tripoli. Hizballah has not been disarmed, it
maintains a strong presence in many of these areas, and there is the
potential for action by other extremist groups in Tripoli." |
| 2006/7/20-21 [Recreation/Pets] UID:43743 Activity:nil |
7/20 Infinite cat project: http://www.infinitecat.com -John \_ Would be appreciated if people could add more description to the link (like is it a humor site? is it a political statement site? is it a game site?) It'll help a lot of busy people here who don't have much time to check it out. Thanks! |
| 2006/7/20-22 [Uncategorized] UID:43744 Activity:nil |
7/20 Why is it that Dayquil works like a charm while Safeway's DayTime
(which contains the same active ingredients) did not? Is there some
magic mojo in the mixing process at Vick's that Safeway can't crack?
\_ Must be the unlisted ingredient "Quil"
\_ I swear some of those generic stuff is just a placebo. Friend
a test of antiacids for ChemE and found the Rite-Aid pepto-fake
was 100% ineffective. |
| 2006/7/20-23 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:43745 Activity:nil |
7/20 http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060719/ts_csm/acoldshoulder "In 2002, illegal immigrants living in the US used $2,700 worth of government services per person more than they paid in taxes, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, an organization that advocates curtailing immigration levels." \_ Wow. An anti-immigration lobbying group provided numbers claiming that illegal immigrants are a drain on the economy. Breaking fucking news. \_ Just looking at gov't services is myopic. Illegal immigrants probably provide more than $2.7k worth of labor, reducing prices, and benefitting those who paid taxes. \_ Do they provide the more than $2.7k worth of labor for free? No, they get paid. \_ Sorry, I meant 'labor below market rates'. \_ Which drags down pay scales for citizens, which further erodes what citizens pay in taxes, increases the amount of government services citizens require, etc, all so some people can get a head of lettuce for 10 cents less. Although if you own a mega agribusiness you're scoring big time off this scam, more power to you. Everyone else is getting hurt, at least indirectly. \_ unless you consume produce \_ Depends on what % of your budget you spend on produce. \_ This is *still* a myopic view on your part. The rest of the population benefits from the reduced prices on everything that immigrant labor goes into. Can you quantify it and balance it against the costs you correctly mention? You're giving only one side of the story. Yes, the gov't gets less taxes, but is "taxes paid to gov't" the sole benchmark of a successful economy? Anyway, without said quantification your assertions are just ^[i.e., illegals are bad] assertions. I'll find you credible when you have numbers. And if you *do* back your assertions with a non-myopic balanced analysis of real costs and benefits, and immigration is a downside, you'll have my vote. Seriously, I admit you might be right, it's just I don't think you've made your case. \_ So your line is basically, "I like cheap stuff so it is up to you to justify enforcing immigration law". The burden of proof is on those who flagrantly violate the law or advocate such violation that the illegal population is an over all plus for the country. You not only have to demonstrate that illegals are good for the country economically but that the benefit far outweighs the all the other negatives. You have an additional burden: illegal workers who are mostly in farming and construction are getting lower pay than citizens *because* they are illegal and thus are being abused. How can you ethically and morally justify paying unjustifiably low wages for such hard work when the basis of that low wage is the illegal status of the worker which puts them at the tender mercy of their employers? If you own stock in any of the mega agribusinesses, more power to you for the money you make on others this way. \_ Actually, the burden of proof is on bigoted isolationists who defend current barriers to legal immigration. Why not make those workers legal and have them pay taxes? And incidentally, the entire argument is a red herring, since poor people as a group will always pay less in taxes than they take in in services. -tom \_ No, I'm not making the claim that immigrants are good. Did you not get the part where I said I'd listen to you if you were convincing? I'm merely pointing out that immigrants COULD be good, that your argument that they are bad ignores or doesn't weigh possible benefits of illegal immigration compared to the costs. I'm not standing up for immigrants: I'm listening to you and finding you unconvincing because you don't really address counterarguments. Get it? Similarly, I'd jump on a pro-immigrant guy who didn't bother mentioning consumption of public resources. Right now, I am neutral: I simply don't know. All I am saying is that you are not convincing. You've said nothing that makes me feel compelled to get off the fence on your side. \_ Let's not confuse immigrants who got in line and followed the law and came here legally with illegal immigrants who did not. I'm quite pro-immigrant. Going on from there: the basis of my argument is that it doesn't matter if they are good for the country economically (which many studies dispute and a visit to your local emergency ward would empirically confirm) but the greater issue I raised of 'they are here *illegally*'. If you want free and open immigration, that's fine, let's make that the official on-the-books law instead of this nonsense where we have laws we flat out ignore and intentionally fail to enforce as a matter of official policy. Then at least everyone would be legal and the entire issue would settle itself in a libertarian style truly-free economic free-for-all. I think that would be a horror but at least the artificially low wages and employer control over their helpless workers would end. If you're not up for libertarian style border enforcement then what is wrong with actually enforcing our laws? I'm unwilling (for example) to see hospitals going out of business, reducing service quality while passing increased costs on to evreyone to provide basic medical care out of emergency rooms because the agribusinesses have uninsurable off-books workers. Or schools getting crushed with an overload of students. Or increased crime from multi-national gangs. Or continuing to let giant agribusinesses get away with maintaining an underclass of people to boost their bottom line. And no, I don't seriously believe produce prices are lower because of it unless you can convince me these companies are run by philanthropists who are trying oh so hard to give us the best products at the lowest prices (cough, wheeze, gasp). The only people benefitting from this are the rich, the Mexican government, and the very rich. \_ Um, the original argument started with illegal immigrants costing $2700 in gov't services. There was no balanced view of the economic benefit of their labor, so the $2700 number is a number that is useless. And if the economic benefit really is just to the rich, then you're right, that benefit should be discounted. \- I dont like saying complex public issues are "simple" but it seems to me not having serious sanctions against employers of illegal aliens [as well as the will and resources to enforce them] make this largely shadow boxing ... just like anti- aff action people who are ok with major departures from "metritorcratic admissions" such as legacies are totally disingenuous ... i'm not saying college admissions can be done like the medical residency match, but it could be a lot cleaner, if there was a serious desire to be so [i.e. it was goal directed rather than politics directed]. this idea of creating a second class labor pool shows it is business interests driving the elite side of the republican view [BUSHCO] regardless of the rest of the rhetoric. the sttements that these insidious illegal are too clever for tyson foods are ridiculous ... if anything those are the easiest employers to go after. the harder ones to do go after. the harder ones to go after are probaby the illegal baby- care workers of yuppie couples, and say irish programmers over staying their visas ... arguably not a security or economic problem for the US, but whether this is a prob depends on your view of equity and enforcement. |
| 2006/7/20 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:43746 Activity:nil |
7/20 Does anyone know a good, thread-safe, C++ streambuf? We currently
have a non-thread-safe streambuf doing our logging, which is bad.
I don't really want to have to write my own streambuf, or change
all the code to use a whole new library, I'd like to just plug in
a safe streambuf. (Although, a whole new library is better than
writing my own.) |
| 2006/7/20-22 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:43747 Activity:low |
7/20 How can I get IMAP over SSL to work (I'm using Mail.app)?
I've set the port to 465, checked SSL, set auth to Password,
and entered my username and password. I don't get an error but my
messages don't get delivered. TIA.
\_ derrr, corrected, I meant SMTP (outbound).
\_ 993/tcp open imaps
Try 993? 465 doesn't appear open on soda. --michener
\_ 465 is SMTP over SSL outbound. Soda does not do SMTP/SSL
but rather has TSL on (uses port 25.) OP, are you talking
about _getting_ or _sending_ your mail? In mail.app, for
soda's TLS, you need to use port 25 and SSL for 'server
settings' under outgoing mail servers (under the 'account
information' tab.) For Getting mail via IMAPS, under
'advanced', use port 993 and SSL and most likely
password auth. -John
\- I have http://csua.berkeley.edu as the outgoing server, port 25
SSL checked, and "Password" authentication. What is TSL/TLS?
Still won't connect.
\_ TSL was a typo, like the kind you never make. TLS =
transport layer security, based on SSL 3.0. The
difference is that SMTP/SSL is a dedicated, fully
encrypted connection, while SMTP/TLS runs over the
SMTP port and wants a 'STARTTLS' command. I don't know
what the problem with scotch/soda is; maybe it has
something to do with not accepting esmtp. Telnet
http://zog.net 25 and do an ehlo and see what happens. -John
\- if the typo comment was directed at me, that's not me.
--photuris
\- My apologies, I thought only psb did \- -John
\- somewhat ironic in a thread about authentication.
--yes, it is me
\_ When I try using TLS on port 25, I keep getting errors
about relaying being denied, but I am supplying the
same login information as for IMAPS, which works fine.
-!op |
| 2006/7/20-22 [Finance/Investment] UID:43748 Activity:nil |
7/20 My old 401k from my old employer offers about 12 plans whereas my
403b (I work in the government now) offers maybe 40 plans. I like
my 403b plans a lot better and think maybe I will rollover. Is this
a good/bad idea? Is it typical for 403b to offer more choices
than 401k? Any advice would be appreciated, thanks!
\_ How much do you trust the Government and the Banks to provide for
your retirement? As a government employee, I have decided my
level of trust: I do not buy into any official plan, save 2/3 of
my after tax income to cash, and spend it on supplies for the
comming apocalypse. Maybe you should take a look at who's calling
the shots with the U.S.'s money and consider doing the same.
\_ I'm not sure about that, but I do know that 403b plans are not
allowed to match employee contributions the way most 401k plans
do. This sucks. That said, my 403b plan offers 100s of
investment plan options, although it used to only offer 10 or
so.
\_ matching vs. not really doesn't matter now that OP has a 403b
job as far as rolling in is concerned. to the OP: taxes are
hard. get a professional. it'll cost you $200 at most and may
save you many tens of thousands.
\_ wow, so if we say some engineer is making $100K/year, that
$200 service may save at least $20K for that year?
or are you talking about dual-engineer-income?
\_ Not pp, but making a mistake on rolling over a
retirement can cost you a LOT of money on penalties.
Since op is asking for financial advice on motd,
there's a good chance op doesn't know about all the
possible pitfalls.
\_ Why would you rollover into the 403b? Roll over into an IRA
and then you'll have even *more* choices.
\_ 2nd that suggestion |
| 2006/7/20 [Uncategorized] UID:43749 Activity:nil 75%like:43751 |
7/20 Anyone know a good, free, Linux, C++ logging library? |
| 2006/7/20-22 [Recreation/House, Reference/Law] UID:43750 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
7/20 Annoyed at ADVO's junk mail in your mail box? Now you can request
to be taken off online!
http://www.advo.com/consumersupport.html |
| 2006/7/20-22 [Uncategorized] UID:43751 Activity:nil 75%like:43749 |
7/20 Anyone know a good, free, thread-safe, Linux, C++ logging library?
\_ Anyone tried log4cpp? |
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