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 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:43700 Activity:nil ```7/17 We have turned yet another corner in Iraq! http://www.csua.org/u/ggm \_ 50 people died today but we're spreading LIBERY FREEDOM AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS in Iraq! -jblack #2 fan \_ We're running out of Iraqi corners \_ We're just circling the same damn block. \_ We should build cities with hexagonal blocks. 50% more corners for the same price! \_ Not octagons, though. The government would get sued by UFC. \_ Can one fill a surface with octagons? \_ Not in Euclidean or spherical geometry. You can do it in the hyperbolic plane, see e.g http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/apps/teich-nav/report/node1.html Some of Escher's designs were based on this sort of pattern. \_ Wow! Thx. \_ What if they were all round? Is that no corners or infinite corners? \_ I'd think of it as infinite corners. But you can't fill a surface with round shapes. \- if we think about this in terms of differentiability i think it is better to think of round as "no corners". You may enjoy reading about THE WEIERSTRASS FUNCTION. --psb \- if we think about this in terms of differentiability i think it's better to think of round as no corners. You may enjoy reading about THE WEIERSTRASS FUNCTION. I suppose you can also read about LOCAL LINEARITY. BTW, there are some pretty counter intuitive stuff in this area [space filling sets and covers]. For a Berkeley connection, you may google(dubins, hirsch, scissor) also see google(dubins, hirsch, scissor) also see e.g. http://sciboard.louisville.edu/math.html#q12 --psb \_ Interesting. I was thinking in terms of circumference and area, which approach 2*pi*r and pi*r^2 as N approaches infinity. So do the two ways of thinking contradict to each other? I'm not a math major. -- PP ways of thinking contradict each other? I'm not a math major and I'm only good at high school math. -- PP```
 2006/7/18-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:43701 Activity:nil ```7/7 George Bush and Chancellor Merkel in LIEBE ATTACK!!!! http://www.csua.org/u/ggk (http://www.bild.t-online.de```
 2006/7/18-19 [Recreation/Pets] UID:43702 Activity:nil ```7/17 On a lighter note, cute cats! http://whatjeffkilled.com (contains gruesome rodent remains) http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com \_ http://www.catsinsinks.com http://www.kittenwar.com```
 2006/7/18-20 [Recreation/Celebrity, Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:43703 Activity:nil ```7/18 Hey Chicom, are you in on this? It would explain a lot. http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=24609 \_ I happened to value freedom of speech, probably value it more than you do because I have experienced those things. I do curious, though. Putin has done a lot more harming the freedom of speech but why no US media ever bitch about it? \_ Because he's not a commie. \_ Our government has. \_ I've read many articles and editorials about this in the mainstream US media. As with many issues that people whine about not being reported fairly, can you show me evidence that the US media is biased in favor of Putin?```
 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:43704 Activity:nil ```7/18 No free evacuations for Americans from Lebanon, alive or dead http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001155.php \_ People should be SELF-RELIANT and be responsible for their own fate. -SELF-RELIANT Conservative. \_ So, uh, apart from like actual government employees, why is it the US taxpayer's responsibility to pay for other private citizens' evacuations? \_ Because we don't utterly suck ass? yet? \_ Too late for that. \_ tOO LATE for that. \_ Because we're a nation of _citizens_, not just taxpayers. We're a community. \_ I thought we were all "consumers" \_ That's all we will be if we continue to let corporations and conservatives run everything. \_ That sounds warm and fuzzy, but why don't the individual states that the people are residents of pay? Too small? Why don't we pay to evacuate everyone (including non-US-citizens)? There's an infinite number of things that the government isn't really responsible for that it _could_ spend money on; I don't see why this is arbitrarily one of them that people feel we should. \_ It's under the umbrella of foreign policy and national security. Those Americans are to be protected in the same way as if they were being attacked on US soil. \_ Well by going to the middle east they knew they were putting themselves in harm's way. It's not like the government is telling people without airfare "too bad, you're stuck", just that they have to agree to cover the cost of their evacuation. I fail to see how this is much different than billing people evacuated from outdoor sporting mishaps. \_ That's how I felt.. It's sort of how if it's a little disaster, you're boned if you don't have insurance, but if it's a big enough deal, FEMA will send you a check. \_ You're quite often boned if you _have_ insurance. \_ Great point. We should also start charging people for police time when they get shot in a bad neighborhood, since it's totally their own fault. \_ The police time isn't for their benefit, if they've already been shot. The medical time is, and guess what, we don't pay for that. \_ "The police time isn't for their benefit"? WTF? Just admit that your argument is BS. \_ Most of the responses to this post are both predictable and depressing. We've gone from putting men on the moon to this in only 40 years? \_ What does landing on the moon have anything to do with this entire discussion? \_ Was the MOTD thread 40 years ago about putting men on the moon more inspiring? \_ I propose we put the men of MOTD on the moon, or at least host SODA on the moon. \_ People would complain about the latency. \_ MOTD 40 years ago was a cork message board, which made it much easier to put up drawings of penises. \_ 8===========>```
 2006/7/18-19 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:43705 Activity:nil ```7/18 The magnet for my bicycle cyclo/speedometer has fallen off. Where can I get new ones without buying a new computer? Thanks. \_ A bike store can order you the part. It won't be cheap. -tom \_ If you're not in a hurry, you can buy it from Cateye. Look for small parts on their web site. A wheel magnet is cateye part number 169-9691. I picked up a bunch of them the last time I bought wiring harnesses. I think they were only \$1-\$2, and Cateye has never charged me shipping for small parts like this. The last time I bought the same thing from a bike store, they charged me \$8. It doesn't make any difference whether or not Cateye made your computer; you just need a magnet that attaches to your spokes.```
 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:43706 Activity:nil ```7/18 When did Hezbullah suddenly become Hizbullah? \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbollah#_note-0 "Hezbollah is predominantly used by American media, such as CNN, Fox News and The New York Times, as well as by the BBC and The Times in the UK, but the organization itself alternatively transliterates its name as Hizbollah or Hizbullah." \_ I thought it's called "Party of (true) God." Just as sometimes I call al Qaeda "Foundation."```
 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:43707 Activity:nil ```7/18 Racist polls. Which ethnicity/race/people love money the most? -Chinese: . -Jew: . -Swiss: . \_ If we loved money so much, we wouldn't be so damn bad at business. -John \_ We as in Swiss or Jew? You are a Jew aren't you? \_ Awesome, I never knew. Hmm. -John -Nigerians: \_ Jewish ethnic Chinese living in Nigeria \_ Is there such a thing as Jewish Chinese or Chinese Jew? \_ Why not? Just like there are many Chinese Muslims in China, and many Chinese Christians and Chinese Catholics in Hong Kong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_China \_ So they have the best of both ethnicity, where they're super rich and super stingy? -English: . \_ Remembering how my former classmate who was a Chinese FOB seemed to worry mostly about what else she could possibly do in her spare time to make even MORE money despite the fact she already had a well-paying 60hr/week programming job, \$0 debt, and that her living expenses were not much higher than those of a typical UCB student, I'd say Chinese. \_ Who has all the old money in the world? How do you think they got it, by not caring about money? WASP's love to complain about how everyone else are only interested in money, while they seem to have all of it. It is a subtle form of putting down the nuevo riche.```
 2006/7/18 [Academia/GradSchool] UID:43708 Activity:nil ```7/16 Dear self righteous German John. I challenge you a game. I will learn enough English and graduate from America's top public \_ "to graduate" \_ "to be graduated" university, you and you will learn enough east asian language to \_ superfluous "you" graduate from any sub-tier university. May the best man win. \_ Congrats on your accomplishment. John's point that you should sharpen your English skills because it'll enhance your success in the real world is valid, though. Face it, just as in the motd, the real world is full of assholes who'll judge you on your language skills. --PeterM```
 2006/7/18-20 [Reference/Religion, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:43709 Activity:nil ```7/18 John may be an idiot but I enjoy trolling him. Thank God for stupid people like him who provide hours of free entertainment. Heil. \_ i liked the swedish chef version better \_ The troll farm flourishes! Troll-Gro worked! Awesome. -John \_ Your chicom troll pen has really blossomed into a best-in-show gallery! Very impressive!```
 2006/7/18-20 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:43710 Activity:nil ```7/18 http://www.commutercars.com Ultra narrow car that'll increase capacity by as much as 2X! (ob rollover and lawsuit discussions below) \_ 0-60 in 4sec! \_ what does the "(ob rollover ...)" line mean? \_ ob = obligatory \_ 0-60 in 4sec! 1000 lb-ft torque! \_ ...it won't roll over, it's got heavy-ass batteries on the bottom read the site. they're getting a patent for the wildly novel concept of using batteries as ballast. \_ Did they take into account the upward shift of the CG when the vehicle is driven by the average fat-ass American? \_ The vehicle weighs an amazing 3000 pounds (is that a typo?) even the fattest American won't affect it much. \_ 3000lb with no regenerative brakes. This vehicle is not going to be very energy efficent. \_ http://www.commutercars.com/features100.php claims 2200lbs and regenerative brakes. The T600 is their like "race car for rich people" version. Also, electric motors are much more efficient than IC or Diesel. This is why gas + fuel cell + electric motors is almost a win. \_ I didn't realize there are more than one model until now! Gee, the web pages are confusing.```
 2006/7/18-20 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:43711 Activity:nil ```7/16 DEAR SELF R1GHTEOUZ GURMAN JOHN. I CHALENGE U A GAME! I WIL LEARN ENOUGH ENGL1SH + GRADU8 FROM AMURICAZ 2P PUBLIC \_ "2 GRADU8" \_ "2 BE GRADU8D" UNIVURSITY. U + U WIL LEARN ENOUGH EAST AS1AN LANGUAGE 2 \_ SUPURFLUOUZ "U" GRADU8 FROM ANY SUB-T1UR UN1VURSITY. MAY THE BEST MAN WIN. \_ Congrats on yo' accomplishment. Rastus's point dat ya' should sharpen yo' English skills 'cuz it'll enhance yo' success in de real wo'ld is valid, dough. Face it, plum as in de motd, de real wo'ld is full uh assholes who'll judge ya' on yo' language skills. --PeterM \_ I assume that both of the above posts were generated using scripts. Someone should write a script that converts real English to chicom troll English. \_ It's actually cheaper to just outsource this to a real chicom troller. \_ Didn't the Chinese govt. just hire something like 500 of these? -John \_ Dat's 'esactly whut it is. Sheeit. Dere is some whole bunch uh dese in /usr/games --(michener | /usr/games/jive)```
 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:43712 Activity:nil ```7/18 "The U.S. government says it has evacuated more than 100 Americans, but their efforts are clearly lagging behind those of other countries. The French and Italians have gotten hundreds of their citizens out." Clearly, cheese eating surrender monkeys are better at ESCAPING! http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog```
 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India] UID:43713 Activity:nil ```7/18 Afghanistan to re-form virtues ministry http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060718/ap_on_re_as/afghan_virtues_ministry \_ GOD DAMN IT I hate this fucking planet. Why must people be such fucking morons? How on earth in Afghanistan is this a priority? Of course the US won't say "get your head out of your ass and do something important" because half the fucking US probably wishes we would move on something like this domestically.```
 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:43714 Activity:nil ```7/18 Breaking News: Seeing how unpopular it is to charge evacuation fees which will affect the November election, two Republican senaators tell CNN that the fees will be waived. So much for preaching "self-reliance" and "you're responsible for your own lives." \_ Oopsiedoodle! \_ Of course they do. We're in the era of "borrow and spend" social-but-not-economic conservatism.```
 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Reference/Military] UID:43715 Activity:nil ```7/18 6000 Iraqis killed in sectarian fighting in May and June, approximately 100 a day. Six thousand deaths in two months, in a country of 26 million residents, is the equivalent of 9/11 every two and a half days. http://www.uniraq.org/documents/HR%20Report%20May%20Jun%202006%20EN.pdf \_ But we're spreading freedom! \_ That will all stop once we turn the corner. Just wait! \_ Maybe they should stop fighting each other then. If you need a totalitarian police state to prevent your citizens from butchering each other then something is wrong with your culture. \_ Sooo I guess that's "oopsiedoodle" on the whole Iraq thing then. \_ Saddam used biological weapons on his own people! ... maybe we should use some on them too! \_ ob we're fighting them there so we don't fight them here. ob if you disagree, you're giving aid and comfort to the enemy and not supporting the troops ob mushroom cloud over major american city \_ so long as the right people are dying what's the problem? If it is truely innocent civilians very very sad.```
 2006/7/18-20 [Health, Health/Women] UID:43716 Activity:nil ```7/18 If you hike in some park, fell, and broke your leg or something, and had to be rescued, are 'they' gonna send you a big bill? What if some criminal chase after you with a gun and shot you? I assume the police won't send you a bill. What about the fire department? \_ Actually that might not be true. For instance a small chunk of park entry fees may go into a "rescue fund". \_ Who is 'they'? You would definitely get billed for the ambulance or helicopter medical evac. If you had health insurance, it would probably cover some or all of this. -dans \_ The question of who pays for wilderness rescue remains a matter of some debate, but a good place to start is 42 U.S.C. 1395dd, aka EMTALA, the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/1395dd.html --Jon```
 2006/7/18-20 [Finance/Investment] UID:43717 Activity:nil ```7/18 GOOG will go up to 850 next summer and deflate back to 750 before winter. -motd stock oracle \_ Why? (ObWhere'sShortGOOGAt100/200/300 Guy?) -tom \_ If you try to reason why stock market is the way it is, you'll never catch the wave. The reason why it'll go up to 850 has nothing to do with any reasoning except for expected human irrationality. -pp, hope to win the stock prediction award \_ *boggle* holy shit, that's stupid.```
 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:43718 Activity:nil ```7/18 So, we call that guy a "chicom", but isn't that sort of a misnomer? Isn't chinese communism extinct, just like communism everywhere in the world except Cuba? I mean, with all the market reforms in China, haven't the leadership admitted, in essense, that communism doesn't work, that the market does, and that they're retaining political control nakedly just for the sake of holding power? And so, shouldn't we rename "chicom troll" after some abbreviation of "Chinese totalitarian governmental pawn" instead? \_ How 'bout: Chipotle? \_ I started using chicom because it's so absurdly anachronistic (like half of his rants.) I think heil cherman john guy left because I didn't have a good name for him. I think every good troll breeder should know his trolls by good names, so feel free to suggest. -John```
 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:43719 Activity:nil ```7/18 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060718/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_out_of_control A Sunni driver lures Shiites into a trojan horse van by promising jobs-- then blows it up. \_ I read an article over a year ago about dudes blowing up copy stores where job applicants were photocopying their job application forms to apply for jobs as cops. - danh```
 2006/7/18-20 [Uncategorized] UID:43720 Activity:nil ```7/18 Juhn mey be-a un ideeut boot I injuy trulleeng heem. Thunk Gud fur stoopeed peuple-a leeke-a heem vhu prufeede-a huoors ooff free-a interteeenment. Heeel. \_ bork bork bork.```
 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:43721 Activity:nil ```7/17 http://www.lcurve.org The L Curve. \_ That's a lot more alarmist than a simple Gini curve, and I'm not sure it's as educational. \- i think they illustrate different things. for example the gini curve [sic ... you mean gini coef and lorenz curve] may say something about the fallout from a tax law change or maybe even something like school vouchers or other cases where you may think in terms of income bands, but if you want to talk about say money and politics [free speech and elections per Buckley v Vallejo, political contributions, campaign spending per huffington, corzine, bloomberg etc] then maybe it makes sense to talk about super-rich individuals. i assume you also realize the gini coef with wide bands will be lower than the GC for the same distribution chopped into narrower bands. there are a lot of problems with the "educational" gini coef. i think this example is just something to keep in mind when we talk about the "american metritrocracy" or "death taxes" [aka "the billionare tax"] and obviously not intended for econometrics calculations or macroeconomic comparasions of economies at different points in time or in different countries. --psb```
 2006/7/18-20 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:43722 Activity:nil ```7/18 http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog The American government is very financially saavy. By cutting unnecessary fat, we save a lot of money to pay for our deficit. \_ After 10 years of Republican control, there is no more fat to cut, government is as lean is it can possibly be!```
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