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| 2006/5/1-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:42870 Activity:nil |
5/1 Colbert lambasts Bush on CSpan. FTW
http://tinyurl.com/qkchv 1 of 3
http://tinyurl.com/ercd8 2 of 3
http://tinyurl.com/s7kyz 3 of 3
--michener
\_ Very nice. Very funny. Thanks. BTW how do I capture the
video as WMV or MPG?
\_ Net Transport
\_ Firefox VideoDownloader, don't know how well it works, someone
just pointed me to it: <DEAD>addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390<DEAD>
-dans
\_ http://www.keepvid.com |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42871 Activity:nil |
4/30 hello. i do not think the wall logs should be on the web
so easily. what do you think?
\_ Wasn't it always on the web in a txt file before?
\_ Can we get motd in RSS too?
\_ Couple problems with that:
1) It's more like a message board than a feed
2) All it takes is one person to booch the formatting
(unlike wall.log, which is consistent enough)
and the whole the whole thing stops working
mrauser's working on a message board anyway, stay tuned
\_ Actually, someone did roll a motd -> rss feed script, but I
don't know what's become of it. If it's lost and I find
some time, I'll do it as an excuse to learn RSS/Atom. -dans
\_ I wrote one, but cgi scripts still are not working
in my cgi-bin directory. I get "Access forbidden"
when I try to run them. -peterl
\_ looks like there's a bug in the httpd.conf:
<Directory /home/*/*/public_html>
AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit
Options Indexes IncludesNoExec SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
ExecCGI
</Directory>
(note the "ExecCGI not on the same line as "Options")
If it were on the same line, you'd be able to put an
executable .cgi file anywhere under ~/public_html and
it would work. --dbushong
\_ Yeah, I built an RSS feed of http://csua.org/motd but it just sends
you an entire thread every time there's a change to any part
of it. Meh. --dbushong
\_ It's WALL! It's not like you're posting trade secrets or steamy
sex tapes. And if you're walling such things, I think you want
\_ Or tax returns. Oh, wait...
them to be found.... mostly it's inane chatter, but it's our
inane chatter, and we can track it now -- and to outsiders, it
reads like what it is. Inane chatter. --michener
\_ It's already tracked (or at least was before Soda got
paved) in /csua/lib/wall . Or did you not know that already?
Why do you want to make wall so easily crawlable by Google?
\_ I think there's a realistic concern for expectation of privacy.
Lots of people wall things like "my boss is an idiot," which
are not trade secrets but which would not be walled if the
expectation were that it would wind up on Google. -tom
\_ Which is why you have the choice of whether or not to log
your walls.
\_ I think that's stupid. How would you feel if all
of your IRC and AIM and Yahoo IM and Google Chat
conversations appeared when someone searches or
stumbles on your name in Google?
\_ Ah, but they don't. And wall doesn't have to if you
don't want it to.
\_ Are you a retard? I am making up a situation
to illustrate my point. If you start archiving
the wall log on google, this stuff will happen.
I have some pretty funny wall logs saved from
years ago where someone on soda accidentally
walls about some horrible things that I will not
mention because you will be scarred for life.
I would never ever put this somewhere google
would find it. Making everyone not log their
walls is stupid.
\_ Erm. Some people don't care whether what they
say is available to the public. Wall has been
\_ maybe you should start caring. I think
arbitrarily sticking soda walls on google
when soda walls predate google by like
10 years is not the correct way to do things.
\_ Uh, we've always done it this way so we
should keep doing it this way? That's
idiotic. -dans
public for a long time. The non-logging option
was put in for those who _were_ concerned. If
you want to use it, use it. If you're worried
about someone saving your non-logged walls, don't
wall. Who said anything about "making everyone
not log their walls"?
btw, RealClimate guy, you just overwrote me.
merge your changes.
\_ That's not a reasonable response. -tom
\_ That's not a reasonable response. -tom, arbiter of all
things reasonable
\_ IIRC, that's exactly why that functionality was written
into wallall. Also when lwall/walld was still running,
walls were publicly read/write available
\_ "publicly readable" is not the same as "indexed
by Google." And it is quite annoying when people
don't log their walls. -tom
don't log their walls. -tom hasn't attended a
politubro meeting or
csua event in years
despite working on the
Berkeley campus, but
still feels the
politburo and the
undergrads should do
what he wants, when he
wants it. tom commands
the politburo to give
him a blow job!
\_ Logging walls is so you can do a tail -whatever !*
wall_log when you log in and see the context of an
ongoing conversation, not to make it public ("public"
in this case being visible and indexed on the great
big Internet.) Meditate briefly on the difference,
young padawan--great truths may be revealed. -John
\_ Oh, look, an undergrad wrote some code to do
something new, and it messes with the little sandbox
we've been playing in for the last decade! Wah Wah!
Let's lynch the upstart prick! Seriously though, I
am disgusted by how certain alums treat soda and the
CSUA as their personal pissing ground, expect that
*nothing* will ever change, and abuse undergrads who
actually write interesting software. The situation
is fucked up. It needs to stop. -dans
\_ Take a chill pill, dans. This is about a
specific feature that would have undesirable
consequences for both undergrads and alumns.
Don't turn it into some battle of the ages between
us evil alumns and the poor oppressed undergrads
we're constantly shitting on. -John
\_ Um I don't think disagreeing with an idea counts
as abuse. The root post of this thread is just
someone expressing an opinion. Get over yourself.
The RSS thing is kind of cool but personally, I
don't think wall fits what RSS is for. Just
because you can do something doesn't mean you
should. But I hardly even use wall anyway so it
doesn't really matter to me.
What actually is the point of wall going out as
an RSS feed? wall is more of a real time
conversation mechanism, not a news feed thing.
Having motd.[official and/or unofficial] on it
would make more sense.
\_ No, disagreeing with an idea is not abuse, but
when specific alumni repeatedly gang up
against the undergrads, flame the politburo
and root, and troll the motd, it adds up to
abuse. What's so fucked about this situation
\_ Well you know, geeks sometimes don't have
the best social skills. They attack
\_ Then maybe we should go back to
beating social skills into them.
everything because this is how they function
in their engineering jobs. But they might
not be wrong.
is that there is a technological solution for
enabling wallrss while stopping Google from
spidering it, but none of the alums who bitch
so loudly are stepping up with code or configs
to solve the problem. Why the hell should the
alumni get to decide what the undergrads can
and can't do? That's stupid. -dans
to solve the problem. Just becaus you can do
\_ I'm still waiting for action on
the last two things I've "stepped up"
with.
\_ Namely? Maybe the ugrads are more
interested in rolling new
functionality than trying to
recreate soda exactly the way it
has been for the last decade?
Maybe they're busy kids doing this
in their spare time, not treating
CSUA root work as a paid job. -dans
\_ perhaps they (or you) shouldn't
suggest mailing root and stepping
up then
\_ Hey, if they (or I) can con
you into doing free work,
but pick and choose what we
implement when, more power
to us. -dans
\_ yes, it's always better
to jerk people around.
this is why people bitch
instead of doing stuff.
--------------------------------------/
\_ Actually, I find a mixture of jerking people around and
rewarding them works best. It simulates gambling, which
causes people to work like madmen. -dans
\_ I hope this is a feeble attempt at humor....
\_ No, I find it's a legitimate management technique of
last resort. Works nicely with ornery, lazy teams, but
isn't really necessary for teams of smart folks who get
things done. -dans
something doesn't mean you should, but if you
use that as an excuse never to do anything,
nothing would ever change. -dans |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Academia, Academia/GradSchool] UID:42872 Activity:nil |
5/1 The Sheldon awards!
http://csua.org/u/foa |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Computer/SW/Security, Uncategorized/Profanity, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:42873 Activity:nil |
5/1 Fuck it.
RSS wall feed isn't down, so much as only serving out my little diatribe on
the life and death of the hack.
I got shit to do. Later.
--michener
\_ Bring it back. This is *your* organization. It should run *your*
code. If bitchy alums, myself included, have problem with it, fuck
em! If bitchy alums have a problem with google seeing it, tell
them to get off their asses and write robots.txt file to fix the
problem. -dans
\_ root staff seems much more inclined to ignore than do anything.
It's rather discouraging for alums to even bother trying to
help when work making old desired software run is ignored, and
for requests that people "mail root if you want to do this," are
met with much silence.
\_ yes, you can "fuck em" but if the existence of a feed
makes people revolt, and not use wall logging, and therefore
make the feed pretty much useless as well, what's the fucking
point?
\_ Lowers the alumni noise floor of wall thereby making it a
useful channel for undergraduate signal? Sounds like a win
to me. -dans
\_ that way all 6 undergrads can talk. If the alumni noise
is a concern for them, I'm sure they can figure out
how to make a second wallall channel
\_ If, as you indicate, there are only 6 active undergrads
in the organization, then perhaps the CSUA has run its
course and should be shut down. Of course, you're
wrong, so the point is moot. -dans
\_ Do you actually work on getting stupider every
day? -tom
\_ For you tom? Anything. :-*
It's cute how you define stupid as "Any view
that doesn't support what you believe." Here in
reality, i.e. that place outside of the bubble
you live in, we call that closeminded and
juvenile. meh. Bored now. -dans
\_ Coming from you, this is hilarious.
\- but is it ironic?
\_ Let me add some useful info to this debate. For the record, I
think it's a cool idea, and don't care of Google indexes wall, in
which case you could just reenable it as is. But, the bitchy
alumni can read these:
http://csua.org/u/fok - How do I request that Google not crawl
parts or all of my site?
http://csua.org/u/foj - How can I remove content from Google's
index?
\_ Interesting and useful. But, really. I seriously have code to
write for classes and such and shit to do. So I'll revisit at
a later date. Until then, bad alums, no cookie! ;) --michener |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Uncategorized] UID:42874 Activity:nil |
5/1 http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bestjobs Best Jobs in the US. #1-- Software Engineer. \_ booyah |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:42875 Activity:nil |
5/1 what do you use for source code control?
list of opensource ones: http://www.venge.net/monotone/others.html
(Thanks for the link danh)
what is this?:
cp foo foo.bak: +-
sccs:
rcs: ++
cvs: +++
c-fucking-v-goddamned-s: +
subversion: +++
codeville:
bitkeeper:
clearcase:
VSS: +
perforce: +++++
cat foo.cc | mail sodan@gmail.com +
\_ i used cvs at a previous job, then we switched to perforce. job
after was perforce. now using subversion. i think i like perforce
best so far -- but havent really had a chance to try anything
complicated with subversion yet. perforce branching seems
pretty sophisticated - rory |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:42876 Activity:nil |
5/1 RealClimate rules. Real climate science blog by real climate
scientists. Joe Bob says check it out.
http://realclimate.org |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Consumer/CellPhone, Consumer/PDA] UID:42877 Activity:nil |
5/1 Rally in front of SF City Hall (pix from my Treo, looking through
binoculars):
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~erikred/protest01.jpg
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~erikred/protest02.jpg
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~erikred/protest03.jpg
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~erikred/protest04.jpg
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~erikred/protest05.jpg
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~erikred/protest06.jpg
\_ Is that today's communist/illegal immigrant rally?
\_ Yep.
\_ 06 doesn't exist
\_ Fixed.
\_ err.. May Day originated in Chicago, USA
\_ So? Most of the rallies were organized by ANSWER.
\_ You need to photoshop on some crosshairs to make these look even
creepier.
\_ Yeah. It's not going to put your mind at ease if I tell you I
work for the government, is it?
\_ Nah, the fact that you had to use (presumably your own)
binoculars and a Treo puts my mind at ease. If you'd whipped
out 8192x6144 pics of this stuff... _then_ I'd be worried.
\_ The Treo pictures were taken only to put your mind at ease.
\_ Cool thanks for the pictures. May I ask what your occupation
is at the City Hall?
\_ email me. Thnx. |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:42878 Activity:nil |
5/1 Where can I find step by step instructions to change my ssh pass?
How do I change my login password? Sorry I haven't been on unix
for too long.
\_ What do you mean? You mean your login password? Run passwd.
You mean the password used to decrypt your private key? If you
stored a private key on soda, shouldn't you assume that's been
compromised too and generate a new private/public key pair?
\_ yes the compromised passphrase fo rdecrypt the key. Please
how do you remember the steps to regenerate a new priveate/pub
key? All I remember there were some very tricky steps to generate
the key. Like I either 1) have to use the keyboard that is on
the server; or 2) use the java interface to generate the key
Now I can't find the procedures on csua website....
\_ You seem to be confusing ssh keys with the ridiculously
paranoid (and not altogether useful) "advice" on securing
your pgp/gpg key. Try "man ssh-keygen"
\_ Passphrase you mean?
\_ Would this help? http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/ssh-howto.html
\_ http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~ranga/notes/ssh_nopass.html |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:42879 Activity:nil |
5/1 Has more always been less? Now I have to hit q when I get to the end
of the motd, as opposed to just returning me to the shell. Is this
new or did I just not notice this change? Now I have to do LESS=-EF
\_ on FreeBSD, more was basically less with certain arguments assumed.
on most linux distribs, it's just less, period. (more or less)
\_ What are you talking about? If I use /bin/more it returns me to
the shell at the end.
\_ /bin/more is a separate binary from /usr/bin/more, which is a
symlink to /usr/bin/less If (like most people), you have /usr/bin
before /bin in your path, you'll get less.
\_ Ah, I had /bin before /usr/bin. What's the reasoning behind
having /usr/bin before /bin? Or maybe, that symlink should
be removed. It makes no sense, because less doesn't behave
identically to more. Maybe if less had a feature to behave
like more when invoked as that. (Like bash/sh)
\_ except bash doesn't
really act like sh still
\_ Usually the crappiest, simplest, oldest, safest versions of
things are in /bin, the system standard ones in /usr/bin,
the sexy new weird local ones in /usr/local/bin, and your
own custom build in ~/bin. So most people order their path
~/bin /usr/local/bin /usr/bin /bin
\_ Well, ok but normally, stuff in /bin wouldn't be also in
/usr/bin. But mainly yeah more just shouldn't be linked
to less like that. |
| 2006/5/1 [Recreation/Stripclub] UID:42880 Activity:nil 75%like:42884 |
5/1
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| 2006/5/1-5 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:42881 Activity:nil |
5/1 Please don't (yeah right) turn this into a pro/anti-immigration
flame war, but I am genuinely curious: would the immigrant groups
striking/demonstrating/boycotting/whatevering be happier if all
illegal immigrants were given green cards/citizenship, and (along with
their employers) made to pay taxes/SS? -John
\_ There isn't one answer to that question. But many immigrant
groups are advocating for amnesty for illegals currently in the
U.S., which would have that effect. -tom
\_ Well, Mecha and La Raza appear to be advocating returning the
southern states to Mexico.
\_ I think this whole immigration issue is being blurred on purpose.
Employ illegal immigrants is one of the worse form of corporate
welfare: employer is able to exploit cheap labor who has no
bargaining power, while passing down the cost of illegal immigrants
(school, health care, etc) to the government. If you look at this
whole thing from "corporate welfare" angle, then, you probably would
agree with me that yes, all illegal would *LOVE* to have
work permit/permanant residence/citizenship given, but that is not
going to happen for one simple reason: Those illegal, cheap
labor will no longer cheap when they become a legal labor.
Employers would have to pay health insurance and taxes on employing
these labors, which defeat the purpose of hiring those illegal
immigrants at first place.
\- well it is also a benefit to white collar people who hire
them for services. re: your last point, that is why the
corporate section of BUSHCO has split with hick BUSHCO ...
the hicks want them out [and are opposed to outsourcing too]
while the corporate types want to have an official class of
second class citizens.
\_ I would view white collar hiring of nanny and gardners are
also a form of "corporate welfare," except individual end up
paying more taxes on supporting those illegals than the
actual per-hour wages we paid.
While it's clear that Republicans are split, I am not even
sure what is Democrat's position on this issue. |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Uncategorized] UID:42882 Activity:nil |
5/1 Hey ilyas, please come back!!! ilyas:x:30637:100:Ilya Shpitser:/home/apollo/ilyas:/csua/adm/bin/safesorry |
| 2006/5/1-3 [Uncategorized] UID:42883 Activity:nil 72%like:42925 |
5/1 http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9396/piggiebankflyersm3iz.jpg Eat bacon, drink vodka, be merry. Yes there will be girls there. \_ If there are girls their then I want to DO them! |
| 2006/5/1-4 [Recreation/Stripclub] UID:42884 Activity:nil 75%like:42880 |
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