4/6 I'm confused. If all the illegals become citizens and we know that
Americans won't do the jobs the illegals have been doing then who
will do those jobs? Won't granting them citizenship kill the
economy just the same as kicking them out?
\_ it's an election year. I don't think people are trying to solve
the problem. If US pardon this wave of immigrant, 5 years
down the road US would have to pardon another wave of immigrants.
Once we pardoned these immigrants and grant them legal working
permit, these people can start to demand minimum wages and
force employers to follow the federal labor standards. If
an employer want to keep it competitive, he would have to to
look for more illegal immigrants to exploit. and the cycle
continues..
\_ Hence the strategery.
\_ I am an immigrant myself. I am a bit angry at pardoning those
illegals mainly because it is not fair for those who patiently
waited in line and follow the system.
\_ Perhaps we should simply brand them, like livestock. Either
you can enter legally, or you can be branded American.
you can enter legally, or you can be branded American. Oh,
and if they speak English passably, brand is "USA", otherwise,
"Estados Unidos"
\_ Comment on the English-speaking part. I managed to go
through high school, college and grad school here in USA
with poor English constantly being riddiculed on MOTD.
Does it ever occur to you that there just might be something
wrong with the public education system? Do you know that
people in USA gives out immigrants IQ test in ENGLISH to
those who just came here, marked them as retard and toss
them into the worse classes available in the school?
In my particular case, it took hard work, luck, and bribe
so I can attend regular English classes in high school
so I have a shot at the UC system? And I was living in
a relatively well-off suburbs with a relatively good
high school in California.
\_ my gf moved here from Poland when she was 9, and says
ESL classes more than a year or two are stupid, you
pick up English from immersion, you just gotta learn
it to get ahead in the United States.
\_ Sorry, I was writing in the tradition of "A Modest
Proposal". I was not seriously advocating branding
illegal immigrants, nor seriously advocating torturing
those with bad English even more. Just like Jonathan
Swift wasn't seriously advocating eating children.
\_ BABY EATER!
\_ Are you aware that so-called immigrant rights people are
the reason you ended up in shitty classes? Bi-lingual
education advocates would have all immigrants learning
nothing useful to advance in society. You have reason to
be angry. You should direct it appropriately. In an
English-only environment you wouldn't have had to bribe
anyone to get into the classes you needed to advance.
\_ Exactly. My parents are both immigrants and the
system doesn't cater to them (not even the DMV test
is in their native language) and they are better
off for it. Catering to Spanish-speakers doesn't
do them any favors. I remember reading a poll once
where Mexican immigrants said they *wanted* their
kids in English classes and not bi-lingual ed
classes, but the limousine liberals ignored that. |