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| 2006/4/4 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:42646 Activity:moderate |
4/3 Suburbs are like SUVs. We know they're not eco-friendly and many
people hate them, but everyone loves to own them because they
provide more space and comfort. Suburb increase our needs for
automobile, energy use, and traffic congestion, thus are detrimental
to the environment as much as SUVs. Suburbs and SUVs are
Weapons of Mass Destruction. Boycott them now!!!
\_ we need weapons of mass destruction to maintain detente
\_ Giving you the undeserved benefit of the doubt by assuming this is
not a troll, what alternative would you suggest? I should point
out that you're completely and utterly ignorant of the history that
led to the rise of suburbs in the last century, and is currently
leading to exurbs. -dans
\_ the alternative is mega-cities where everyone cramped into
apartments which is on average less than 1000 square feet per
household.
FYI, China in the middle of 1990s has decided that they are
going to follow the USA model: concentrate government subsidies
on automobile-related infrastructures. It's been only 10 years
and the problem is already very appearent: tail-pipe pollution,
congestion, fuel shortage that is beyond the imagination of
average Americans who blocked Unical merger.
\_ Maybe they just have too damned many people? Would China have
enough useful land to spread everyone out in the farm lands?
Would super high density no-auto zones really solve anything
or just make people even more unhappy and insane? People
need space. Cramped little apartments are completely
unnatural and unhealthy. No one thinks people *want* to
commute 1-2 hours each way in the US but they do it so they
can get out of the city which they can't afford to live in
anyway.
\_ there are alternative ways to solve the problem. cities
based upon public transportation than private cars, for
example. People even talking about conveyer belt for
side walks, etc. People are getting used to the USA model
and reluctant to dump money on different form of
infrastructure.
\_ when was this magic pre-USA period of time when cities
didn't exist?
\_ I asked you what the alternative was, not for some screed
about another possible consequence of overpopulation. We all
know that too many people in too small a space is a bad
thing. Tell us something insightful. Furthermore, we don't
really have many actual mega-cities, Tokyo, Hong-Kong, maybe
Dubai is shaping up to be one, can you point to others? Can
you point to an existing city that is growing into a
mega-city? I am highly doubtful that this will happen in
either New York or San Francisco, two cities I am intimately
familiar with. -dans |
| 2006/4/4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:42647 Activity:high |
4/3 Firefox SessionSaver plugin kicks ass. Recommend highly! -dans
\_ Actually, you will find later that it kinda sucks.
\_ Why?
\_ (1) It doesn't scale, (2) It's not all that reliable,
(3) It/Firefox have a tendency to crash.
\_ Don't have 90 myspace tabs open. I think there's
more than 1 build of session saver running around.
make sure you have the latest from the extensions
mozdev site. I haven't had it crash on me in
a long time, but I also have flashblock installed.
It's very convenient. I hate liking the same
things dans does.
\_ I'd like to have as many tabs open as I damn well
please, thank you.
\_ You're upset that you share an appreciation for a
useful tool with someone you find personally
distasteful? Words fail to describe how stupid that
is. -dans
\_ Opera's had this feature for years (sans plugin).
\_ No tabs. I grabbed the freebie Opera a few months back,
couldn't find tabs, couldn't find a Firefox style extensions
system, and uninstalled.
\_ Um, Opera is designed as MDI. Pages only exist as tabs. I'm
sorry you weren't able to figure it out.
\_ That's nice n all but if it wasn't obvious in the first
30 seconds it's a waste of my time. The software is there
to help me get my work done and improve efficiency. If I
have to spend more than 30 seconds to figure it out, it
was poorly designed. I spent several minutes looking
around for extensions but I'm sure they're there somewhere
and I'm just not smart enough to figure it out. I'll stick
with Firefox, the browser for dummies, thanks.
\_ Suit yourself, dummy.
\_ Wow, this exchange is really interesting from a
psych 101 perspective.
\_ How's that?
\_ I'm quite suited to the best browser out there,
thanks. A browser shouldn't be obscure or difficult
to figure out. If yermom can't figure it out, it is
crap. The browser does nothing more than load html
text from remote sites and display it. Why does the
program require more than the most trivial computer
ability to use it? Opera = crap. I'd go back to IE
first.
\_ Session Saver caused FF 1.0.x to crash quite often on me; I don't
know if it's better in more recent versions. --dbushong
\_ sessionsaver in moz 1.7.x and seamonkey for me seem to have problems
autosaving... sometimes I get back a session from a couple days
ago.
\_ In response to the poster who complained about
scalability/stability issues, I have yet to experience stability
problems on Firefox 1.5.0.1 on OS X, but have only been using it
for about a week now. As for scalability, it took a few minutes to
reopen Firefox after closing it with approx 65 tabs open, but that
still saves me time over manually bookmarking all tabs for every
window I have open. -dans |
| 2006/4/4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42648 Activity:nil |
4/4 pervo dans 19 year old fancier, fob motd guy, motd boob
guy have primitive love child:
http://tinyurl.com/z5r5l link:tinyurl.com/kejz5
http://tinyurl.com/zrnau http://tinyurl.com/k94xb
http://tinyurl.com/j99pe http://tinyurl.com/z5r5l
http://tinyurl.com/kyr9j |
| 2006/4/4 [Health/Eyes, Health/Women] UID:42649 Activity:moderate |
4/4 hey sky I thought you lived in the bay area
http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,,1746333,00.html?gusrc=rss
The strange case of the man who took 40,000 ecstasy pills in
nine years
\_ That's Sparky. "Uh..uh..uh...fuggit." -John
\_ Are you sure this is sky? Sounds like dans to me.
\_ Agreed. The exclamation marks, capitalization, and
the fact that he responds to trolls 24x7 are all leading
indicators that dans is on meth. sky on the other hand
is on weeds.
\_ At least he freebases with his circle of friends.
\_ Will dans stop the madness before he becomes the next
muchandr?!
\_ Troll harder. -dans
\_ Troll harder. By the way, I seem to be missing the volume of
the New England Journal of Medicine that published the
double-blind study correlating motd posting habits to drug
use. Why don't you post a link to the article so the rest of
us can read it? -dans
\_ So that's like what, 4 kilos of MDMA? |
| 2006/4/4 [Computer/HW/Memory, Consumer/Audio] UID:42650 Activity:low |
4/4 To whoever recommended crucial, thanks for the tip, but
I just cancelled my order with them. Their credit card
clearing operation is pathetic, and customer service was
rude and unhelpful. They were unwilling and/or unable to
try to figure out how to process an out-of-US order. Fuck
them. Thanks anyway. Any other suggestions? -John
\_ Wow, sorry to hear about that. I've also used http://memoryx.net
\_ Don't apologize, I appreciate the tips. I'll try them. -John
\_ I've bought ram from 1-800-4-Memory (http://www.18004memory.com
They were cheap and decent, but I have no idea how the service
is outside the US. Another option could be to try amazon.co.uk.
\_ Crucial is just a memory maker. They're resold by a zillion other
companuies around the world. http://pricegrabber.com, http://pricewatch.com,
http://shopping.com, froogle, http://pricescan.com, etc to find a reseller.
\_ John, here is a hint: American Express.
No, I am not kidding. Most of online store in USA requires
billing address in USA. If you are using some non-USA card,
you are going to get into trouble. American Express appearently
only check the zip code. So, as long as the zip code is correct,
it will go through. In my part of town, my zip code is 3 digit,
and i managed to get it through by padding it with zeros at the
front of digits :p kngharv
\_ I don't think it is true--I work with Versign and AVS is
available for AmEx as well. It's up to the vendor whether
to use it or not.
\_ The thing is, I already have 2 gold cards (one Swiss and
one Chilean.) AmEx is fine, but I have never ever ever
had trouble with either of my Visas except with US vendors.
I'd prefer not to have another card floating around just to
deal with people who're too lazy to implement proper ID
checking (which this is a case of.) And as for zip codes,
many of the shops I've had trouble with don't understand that
a lot of the world doesn't work that way (my zip code right
now is "Las Condes", go figure.) Thanks though. -John
\_ Amazon seems to sell some Crucial memory. I've bought from
Amazon abroad and shipped to the US, and that went smoothly.
Perhaps the reverse is also smooth. |
| 2006/4/4 [Recreation/Dating, Computer/Rants] UID:42651 Activity:high 61%like:42661 |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060404/od_nm/india_books_dc Donkeys are more loyal than wives, says textbook. \_ I would say domestic housepets are even more loyal. \_ "You bitch!" "Thanks for the compliment!" \_ "You give a beggar a meal, he only loves you while it's on his lips." |
| 2006/4/4 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Media] UID:42652 Activity:nil |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060403/ap_on_he_me/diet_black_kids_ads Yoyo, what's up home boy? Ya want KFC for finger licking good dinner? |
| 2006/4/4 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Industry/Startup] UID:42653 Activity:nil |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060404/ap_on_bi_ge/computer_sciences Computer Sciences Cutting 5,000 Jobs. Don't worry it's not CS CS, but CS Corp. What a dumb ass company name, it's like Merck naming itself "Pharmaceuticle Company" \_ How do you feel about Microchip, LSI, or VLSI? \_ Or Analog Devices. But yea, CSC is bad. My company uses them and they are incompetent. \_ Usually they are called 'CSC'. As other have noted, how is that much different from, say, SAIC? |
| 2006/4/4 [Reference/BayArea] UID:42654 Activity:moderate |
4/4 Hey City Utopia guy, let's say you've matured and have outgrown your
needs to socialize with your friends and have PS2 LAN parties. Let's
say you get a real job, settle down, get married, have kids, and
buy a minivan. Are you still going to live in the city? Where
are your kids gonna play? Where are you gonna park your minivan?
Where would you go when your baby cries 12x7? Where would you
\_ Hit the baby in the head with a shovel
hide when your wife start nagging 24x7?
\_ Go fuck yourself.
\_ The issues you're describing are not unique to cities, and
suburbs are not immune to them.
\_ Plenty of people raise kids in cities. It's not that hard.
\_ Yes but city kids tend to do drugs or become gay.
\_ Do you have any evidence of this?
\_ The best evidence possible: word of God through Falwell's
lips...
\_ Berkeley is a suburb of SF, right?
\_ so Oakland is chopped liver?
\_ Do more Berkeley residents work in Oakland or SF? Either
way, Berkeley is a suburb. I wonder if Berkeley would be
acceptable to City Utopia guy.
\_ "There's no 'there' there" |
| 2006/4/4 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:42655 Activity:nil |
4/4 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4866964.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4773160.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4358830.stm The Culture of Corruption making headlines. Any more on the list? |
| 2006/4/4-6 [Health/Disease/General, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:42656 Activity:moderate |
4/4 "The [black] kids here have no hope. They have nothing to aspire to
other that being a rapper or an athlete, and that's a million-to-one
shot. In my neighborhood the only people recruiting are the gangs."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060404/od_nm/crime_newjersey_dc
\_ http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/dead-kennedys/38151.html
"Empty plastic
Culture slum suburbia
Is a war zone now
Sprouting the kinds of gangs
We thought we'd left behind
This could be anywhere
This could be everywhere"
\_ Everything I know came from a lyrics site on the net, too.
\_ after centuries of oppression, what do you expect?
"here is your freedom from slavery, not get the fuck out
"here is your freedom from slavery, now get the fuck out
of here"
\_ Yeah, right.
\_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study
We gained so much valuable medical information from
these experiments.
And don't forget all blacks love that guy Jim Crow!!
\_ And up above you can see anonymous people arguing like idiots! -dans
\_ why are you not hanging out with your hot gf instead of
nuking the motd?
\_ UCSC is back in session. She has school, I have work to do
for clients. -dans
\_ You work for a think tank that studies the crazy political
positions of computer industry professionals? That's cool.
Are they hiring?
positions of computer industry professionals? That's
cool. Are they hiring?
\_ Get in line, buddy! I've been here way longer than
you! There's a seniority system in place.
\_ I totally agree that black kids have no hope. I mean until ROTJ
black kids could hope to become a Dark Lord of the Sith w/
unrivaled force powers and other 1337 mad skillz, but then Lucas
screws it all up by revealing that the badest black man in the
history of the universe was really a pastey old white geezer. That
is the real crime. Now all black kids have to hope for is to become
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Sec. of State or a Justice of the
Supreme Court. Not one lightsaber amongst them, talk about a total
let down. -stmg
\_ But they can be like Lando Calrissian and drink Colt 45!
\_ Lando sold out to a pastey old white guy. =(
\_ "I'm altering our deal. Pray I don't alter it any futher."
\_ Uh, so until then you thought Luke might be part black?
\_ "You don't know the power of the Dark Side."
Besides in a galaxy, far far awy, Black + White could
equal whiny, long haired blond luser. -stmg |
| 2006/4/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:42657 Activity:moderate |
4/4 AZ Voter Reward Act. "This law will establish a voter reward random
drawing every two years with a first prize of one million dollars or
more. The purpose is to increase voter participation. Voters who cast
ballots in primary or general elections will be eligible to win."
http://www.azsos.gov/election/2006/General/Initiatives.htm
\_ way to grab the poor vote.
\_ Which puts the Republicans at a disadvantage. Oh no!
\_ How about if you vote, you get tax deduction?
\_ How about if you don't vote 5 years in a row, you lose your
citizenship?
\_ This sounds like a really bad idea, it's bound to invoke the
law of unintended consequences. This will bring to the polls
people that are not informed, but simply want the money. These
folks are less likely to make informed decisions. But maybe
that's the point. --jwm
people that are not informed, but simply want the money. But
maybe that's the point. --jwm
\_ I don't see any reason to artificially boost voter participation.
Voting isn't a lottery and we shouldn't have to bribe people to
exercise a right others have died for.
\_ Is this Constitutional? I don't think so. Can you pay people
to vote?
\_ What particular section of the US (or state) constitution
would forbid this? I don't mean to be argumentative, but
if you're going to cite the Constitution or "the law", put
up the particulars. Anyway, Paying people to vote a certain
way (and not in the "vote for me and I'll cut your taxes"
way) is pretty verboten, but just to show up at the polls?
People here get free stickers for voting -- Is that verboten?
\_ The sticker is a red herring. Can, say, the Governator
pay every registered Republican $100 to turn out and
vote 'however they choose to vote'? I don't think so.
\_ http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/42usc/subch_ia.htm
Sec. 1973i(c)
There is a law which makes it illegal to buy votes in an
election for federal offices. There are probably state laws
prohibiting vote buying for individual states.
The correct question is to ask: Are these laws
unconstitutional? Probably not.
How about a state law which institutes a lottery? I don't know.
\_ The problem with voting from my point of view is it's
inconvenient. The vote day should be a mandatory holiday.
Also the registration and absentee ballot process should be
simpler. It should be a state-coordinated marketing effort
to just go to a promoted web site and fill in minimum
info, to get the ball rolling and the forms sent to you
with postage-paid return envelopes, and send absentee
ballots to everyone by default.
\_ Voting shouldn't be so easy it has no value or meaning. Voting
is something people should think about and understand wtf theyre
doing before they vote. I used to think low turnout was a bad
thing but then I realised I don't want the stupid, the uninformed
and the too lazy to bother diluting my vote. Let them stay home
and play video games. Voting is just not that hard. |
| 2006/4/4 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:42658 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20060403/sc_space/churchgoerslivelonger Church Goers Live Longer. Does that mean our Mormon friends on motd will probably post long after while the liberals die from AIDS, meth, and other illegal substance? \_ It's moot. The religious fundamentalists will out-breed the liberals. \_ But we out recruit the fundies. \_ From their children? \_ But they live that longer life in a state of delusion.... W/o the religious vote, we would not have had the disaster that has been the Bush administration. But I guess it's not surprising that the religious people voted for a big hypocrite like themselves. \_ Yeah, the kettle thinks you're black too. \_ Doctor: You have six months to live. Patient: What can I do? Doctor: Well... you could give up sex, booze and cigars. Patient: Would I live longer then? Doctor: No, but it will seem longer... \_ If they're having all those kids it didn't come from giving up sex.... |
| 2006/4/4 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:42659 Activity:high |
4/4 In Unix how does one figure out the amount of space a directory (all
it's files and subdirectories, recursively) takes up?
\_ man du
\_ man du gook
\_ mandu gook
\_ mashitt da.
\_ Thanks |
| 2006/4/4 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:42660 Activity:high |
4/4 For the folks who keep suggesting that building well-designed cities
won't work, consider that the rush to suburbanization was artificially
created by real estate developers and car manufacturers who
aggressively destroyed public transportation and bribed public
officials to pass no-mixed-use zoning laws to force out downtown
businesses. This is not conspiracy theory. See "Home from Nowhere"
for more details.
\_ Great. Name one well-designed city. I am genuinely curious
as to what it is you want your cities to be like (don't get me
wrong, I love living in cities, and I rent, but I feel from your
posts that you may be seeing things a bit simplistically.) -John
\_ New York especially Manhatten, SF, Paris. Seattle,
although less so than the others. Boston and Chicago but I
haven't spent more than a few weeks in those.
\_ You do understand that there are more jobs in cities than
living space for people, right? It takes a *lot* more space
per person for living than for working. So it is necessary
for people to come from elsewhere to fill those jobs since
the city lacks living space for everyone. We call the place
where all those workers live "the suburbs". Now then, I do
understand than in Utopiaville, the jobs/living space balance
is in perfect harmony becaus our Beloved City Planners were
able to magically predict population growth, demographic
shifts, and drastic changes in the economy but outside of
LaLa Fairy Land most of the rest of us live in the burbs and
work in the city. Not because we like commuting 2-3 hours a
day but because we can't afford to live in the city near our
jobs. I think it's funny you'd choose SF as an ideal city
since the public transit sucks and by plane, train, or auto-
mobile it can easily take an hour or more to get anywhere.
Manhatten is a shithole. Paris is hardly any better. I
haven't been to the other cities you mention but I suspect
they have suburbs and an inner city just like everywhere
else. I suspect you've been reading too much utopian fantasy
academic literature without taking a step back and looking at
how real people live and why. People aren't little cogs or
resource units for you to push around from one square to the
next.
\_ Singapore doesn't have any suburbs. Everyone (>4 million)
lives and works in the city.
\_ Ok great let's add 'caning' to the books, too. I
can't wait to join your Utopiaville.
\_ american cities were built when blacks still have
to sit at the back of the bus. what's your point?
\_ nah, the suburbs of chicago is utopia. very low
crime, living is easy but rather boring.
\_ or drives in on a motorbike from Malayasia --oj
\_ are you from catholic high or hcjc?
\_ Same with Hong Kong.
\_ I have lots of colleagues who lives in the city and works
in the suburbs here in Chicago.
\_ As I said, I've never been to Chicago. Do you think
your friends are typical of the Chicago area?
\_ I don't know. I guess they like the city. I like
to live near my work. I don't see why it should
be difficult to have the jobs move to the suburbs.
It's happening here in Chicago. I rarely need to
go to the city. I don't have a problem with your
conclusion, but the argument you are using - jobs
are in the city, no living space there - may not
be a valid assumption. Chicago suburb cities like
Naperville or Schaumburg have lots of jobs, but
you still need a car.
\_ You have been brainwashed. It used to be that all workers
lived and worked in cities.
\_ This worked when you had servants willing to live in
tiny closets. -John
\_ Do most people living in the cities have servants
anymore?
\_ Do you think many of the gardeners, shop
assistants, cleaners, maids, dishwashers,
cab drivers and other fairly low paid but
important blue collar workers live in
Manhattan? Hint: no. Upshot: Yes, you can
create much better public transportation to
the suburbs than what most American cities have,
but you'll never have some magical fairyland
self-contained urban ideal. Nor do the Euro
cities so many urban planning advocates cite
as examples have it right. -John
\_ You can afford to live in the city you work in. You cannot
afford a 4000 sq ft house in the city you work in. My
commute from one side of San Francisco to the other is
35 minutes on a bad day, using rapid transit.
\_ I can't afford a 4000 sqft house in the suburbs either
which means I could afford about 700-900 sqft in the
city if I was lucky. I've lived in that before. No
thanks. I'd rather commute 60-90 minutes. People
are not rats or sardines. By the time most people hit
their mid 20s, have spouses, a few kids, etc, there's
no way 900 sqft is cutting it. Also, we've already
done the school debate and your odds of getting your
kids into a decent school near your home are tiny in SF.
\_ Wow, you tihnk 900 is small? I grew up with a
family of 4 and 1200 sq ft. 900 is plenty for
a family of 3. For one or two people it is close
to perfect.
\_ Read "Home from Nowhere."
\_ Even with downtown businesses, people seem to be willing to make
the tradeoff of driving relatively far to commute there from
suburbs.
\_ Only because their living situation is massively subsidized.
\_ If you actually had to pay the real costs of everything you
use in life you couldn't afford to be alive. *Everything* is
getting subsidized in one way or another. Let's end all those
evil and nasty subsidies for everything, eh? My taxes will
drop to near zero and I'll happily pay directly for any of
the few services I still need. You think public transit has
ever even come close to paying for itself? |
| 2006/4/4 [Recreation/Dating, Computer/Rants] UID:42661 Activity:nil 61%like:42651 |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060404/od_nm/india_books_dc Donkeys are more loyal than wives, says textbook. \_ I would say domestic housepets are even more loyal. \_ "You bitch!" "Thanks for the compliment!" \_ "You give a beggar a meal, he only loves you while it's on his lips." |
| 2006/4/4 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:42662 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 Help PHP MySQL experts! I installed PHP5 and Pear and tried
/usr/bin/php mytest.php. It works, except it doesn't know where
to find mysql_connect(...). How do you tell the command line
how to invoke mysql commands? Thanks.
\_ I'm the op and I did install mysql and it works under apache2. I
figured out my problem. There are two files,
/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and /etc/php5/cli/php.ini.
Pear (command line php) uses /etc/php5/cli/php.ini, in which
I need to uncomment "extension=mysql.so" the same way I did it
for /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini. Thanks for your help Dave!
By the way I don't this problem when I call the same PHP via HTTP.
\_ PEAR is just a set of written-in-PHP classes and modules; it doesn't
provide any library functionality. You need to install the mysql
extension, which ships w/ PHP. In your UNIX it may ship as a
separate package. --dbushong |
| 2006/4/4 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:42663 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 New Citroen w/ instant on/off engine:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/03/citron_introduc.html
\_ Is that anything like Intel's viiv instant on? :-) |
| 2006/4/4 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:42664 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 John McCain is apparently offering $50/hr to pick lettuce. Where
do I sign up?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060404/ap_on_go_co/mccain_booed_4
\_ I'm disappointed he too offers the "jobs Americans don't want".
He lost my vote.
\_ McCain has changed from "maverick" to "tool of Bush/hard
right" in record time. Um, if you paid people $50/hour
to pick lettuce you would have 100X as many applicants as
jobs. McCain is losing it.
\_ If you think McCain is "hard right" or "on the right of
the right wing" as someone says below you're *waaay*
left and/or completely uninformed. McCain has been a
centrist moderate for many years. The man is working
with Kennedy who can't be described as anything but far
left. He's been pissing off the right since before
2000. If McCain is the hard right then what about the
50+ other (R) Senators more right than he is? Sheesh.
\_ He always has been hard right. The one thing he had
going for him was his work on campaign finance. I still
respect him for that. But he's _always_ been on the
right of the right wing.
\_ His campaign 'non-reform' bill should have been
called the 'incumbent protection bill'. If you
truly want real campaign finance reform, you should
be very very glad his ideas went no where.
\_ Not quite, he's gone from saying Jerry Falwell is
a lunatic to embracing Jerry Falwell.
\_ Not quite, he's gone from saying Jerry Falwell is
a lunatic to embracing Jerry Falwell.
\_ I think the reason they all chant that mantra is they
want you to think that. They don't want people to "want"
those jobs because then they'd have to legitimately
address the conditions and standards and wages of them
and address the illegal immigrants etc. which would
raise costs of the associated business interests.
\_ BINGO! We have a winner!
\_ I'd rather make $100,000/yr ($50/hr) doing manual
labor outside than a soul-destroying office monkey
job for $30,000/yr.
\_ I've picked wine grapes in the fall in Paso
Robles (for free, I might add) and it doesn't
*have* to be crappy. Like any job, it can be
if they underpay, underhire, and are assholes
to boot. If you work for a good person who
expects a reasonable amount of work at a fair
wage then it's not a terrible job. Grapes are
not lettuce, of course. Some crops are
physically harder to harvest than others.
\- and live in the central valley? and go to work
at 5am? i dont think that's what i'd pick ...
no pun intended. why dont you take on of those
no pun intended. would you take one of those
alaskan fishing jobs. there are a reaonable number
\_ Picking lettuce is HARD but saying that for $50/hr
you still would get only illegals is totally
ridiculous. Would I prefer it to office work?
No way! - !pp
of grunt jobs that make dencent money. how much
money to oil rig workers make?
money to oil rig workers make? at $50/hr i think
\_ $300-400/day, and you have long hours.
you get a lot of people doing it for a couple of
days to make some quick cash, but i dont think
you'ld necessarily get a lot of long term employees.
\_ I paid my way through college fishing in Alaska.
Not only did it pay well, and was largely fun, I
learned useful skills that have since helped me
in my technical career. There are grunt jobs,
like working the slime line on a processor, but
being a deck hand or engineer is not a low skill
job by any means. I certainly know people who've
worked in that industry for their whole lives,
although the guys who keep working on deck into
their 50's are usually totally nuts. The smart ones
are driving their own boat by the time their 40(and
spending the winter in their condo in Hawaii by the
time they're 50.)
\- just out of curiousity, do you think a large
percentage of say 18-30 year olds would not be
able to do the AK FISH JOB regardless of pay,
e.g. they dont have the strength, endurance,
would be to scared etc, or do you think
it is mostly about willingness rather than
ability?
\_ You have any idea how actual poor people live and
work in this country? $50/hr is more than most of
them will ever see no matter what happens to the
inflation rate. Have you ever met a real poor
person? Maybe they brought one in to your
sociology class once?
\- um, if you are talking to me, it is highly
likely i have vastly more experience living
say without running water or continual
electricity than you do. my point is that
there would certainly be many people willing
to do the job for 50/hr full time, but a
problem you would have as an employer would
be "weeding out" the people looking to make
say $2k and then quitting and then living
cheaply for a while. i did stuff like that
for a while ... bill $100/hr for say a
two week programming job and then live off of
that for a large part of the year.
anyway, one point is that some hourly or
"piece rate" jobs dont neatly turn into
annual salary jobs by just multiplying by
2000. where did this irrelevancy about
the inflation rate and such come in?
\_ if he had karl rove, he would have been smart enough to say $5/hr
\_ "McCain insisted none of them would do such menial labor for a
complete season." For heaven's sake, my father's summer job in
HS was picking melons in Bakersfield.
\_ So how much will the price of lettuce be on store shelves?
And how many would be willing to pay that price? |
| 2006/4/4 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:42665 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 Apparently this adult education teacher flunked his own class
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/04/paperweight.explosion.ap/index.html
\_ He flunked basic common sense, but the class was not "handling
ordinance" |
| 2006/4/4 [Uncategorized] UID:42666 Activity:nil |
4/4 Question for Christians: when you pray, dost thou employ olde English
as in the KJV? |
| 2006/4/4-6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Recreation/Music] UID:42667 Activity:nil |
4/4 "Bush was Right" music video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o762HKxYMeA&eurl=
\_ Seven outright falsehoods, and two misattributions. But, hey, sing
it loud enough and it _must_ be true.
\_ I like how the guitar goes "nah-nah-nah-n-nah nah!" |
| 2006/4/4-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42672 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 If you're going to wipe the motd, nuke it from orbit. It's the only
way to be sure:
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