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2006/4/4 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:42646 Activity:moderate |
4/3 Suburbs are like SUVs. We know they're not eco-friendly and many people hate them, but everyone loves to own them because they provide more space and comfort. Suburb increase our needs for automobile, energy use, and traffic congestion, thus are detrimental to the environment as much as SUVs. Suburbs and SUVs are Weapons of Mass Destruction. Boycott them now!!! \_ we need weapons of mass destruction to maintain detente \_ Giving you the undeserved benefit of the doubt by assuming this is not a troll, what alternative would you suggest? I should point out that you're completely and utterly ignorant of the history that led to the rise of suburbs in the last century, and is currently leading to exurbs. -dans \_ the alternative is mega-cities where everyone cramped into apartments which is on average less than 1000 square feet per household. FYI, China in the middle of 1990s has decided that they are going to follow the USA model: concentrate government subsidies on automobile-related infrastructures. It's been only 10 years and the problem is already very appearent: tail-pipe pollution, congestion, fuel shortage that is beyond the imagination of average Americans who blocked Unical merger. \_ Maybe they just have too damned many people? Would China have enough useful land to spread everyone out in the farm lands? Would super high density no-auto zones really solve anything or just make people even more unhappy and insane? People need space. Cramped little apartments are completely unnatural and unhealthy. No one thinks people *want* to commute 1-2 hours each way in the US but they do it so they can get out of the city which they can't afford to live in anyway. \_ there are alternative ways to solve the problem. cities based upon public transportation than private cars, for example. People even talking about conveyer belt for side walks, etc. People are getting used to the USA model and reluctant to dump money on different form of infrastructure. \_ when was this magic pre-USA period of time when cities didn't exist? \_ I asked you what the alternative was, not for some screed about another possible consequence of overpopulation. We all know that too many people in too small a space is a bad thing. Tell us something insightful. Furthermore, we don't really have many actual mega-cities, Tokyo, Hong-Kong, maybe Dubai is shaping up to be one, can you point to others? Can you point to an existing city that is growing into a mega-city? I am highly doubtful that this will happen in either New York or San Francisco, two cities I am intimately familiar with. -dans |
2006/4/4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:42647 Activity:high |
4/3 Firefox SessionSaver plugin kicks ass. Recommend highly! -dans \_ Actually, you will find later that it kinda sucks. \_ Why? \_ (1) It doesn't scale, (2) It's not all that reliable, (3) It/Firefox have a tendency to crash. \_ Don't have 90 myspace tabs open. I think there's more than 1 build of session saver running around. make sure you have the latest from the extensions mozdev site. I haven't had it crash on me in a long time, but I also have flashblock installed. It's very convenient. I hate liking the same things dans does. \_ I'd like to have as many tabs open as I damn well please, thank you. \_ You're upset that you share an appreciation for a useful tool with someone you find personally distasteful? Words fail to describe how stupid that is. -dans \_ Opera's had this feature for years (sans plugin). \_ No tabs. I grabbed the freebie Opera a few months back, couldn't find tabs, couldn't find a Firefox style extensions system, and uninstalled. \_ Um, Opera is designed as MDI. Pages only exist as tabs. I'm sorry you weren't able to figure it out. \_ That's nice n all but if it wasn't obvious in the first 30 seconds it's a waste of my time. The software is there to help me get my work done and improve efficiency. If I have to spend more than 30 seconds to figure it out, it was poorly designed. I spent several minutes looking around for extensions but I'm sure they're there somewhere and I'm just not smart enough to figure it out. I'll stick with Firefox, the browser for dummies, thanks. \_ Suit yourself, dummy. \_ Wow, this exchange is really interesting from a psych 101 perspective. \_ How's that? \_ I'm quite suited to the best browser out there, thanks. A browser shouldn't be obscure or difficult to figure out. If yermom can't figure it out, it is crap. The browser does nothing more than load html text from remote sites and display it. Why does the program require more than the most trivial computer ability to use it? Opera = crap. I'd go back to IE first. \_ Session Saver caused FF 1.0.x to crash quite often on me; I don't know if it's better in more recent versions. --dbushong \_ sessionsaver in moz 1.7.x and seamonkey for me seem to have problems autosaving... sometimes I get back a session from a couple days ago. \_ In response to the poster who complained about scalability/stability issues, I have yet to experience stability problems on Firefox 1.5.0.1 on OS X, but have only been using it for about a week now. As for scalability, it took a few minutes to reopen Firefox after closing it with approx 65 tabs open, but that still saves me time over manually bookmarking all tabs for every window I have open. -dans |
2006/4/4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42648 Activity:nil |
4/4 pervo dans 19 year old fancier, fob motd guy, motd boob guy have primitive love child: http://tinyurl.com/z5r5l link:tinyurl.com/kejz5 http://tinyurl.com/zrnau http://tinyurl.com/k94xb http://tinyurl.com/j99pe http://tinyurl.com/z5r5l http://tinyurl.com/kyr9j |
2006/4/4 [Health/Eyes, Health/Women] UID:42649 Activity:moderate |
4/4 hey sky I thought you lived in the bay area http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,,1746333,00.html?gusrc=rss The strange case of the man who took 40,000 ecstasy pills in nine years \_ That's Sparky. "Uh..uh..uh...fuggit." -John \_ Are you sure this is sky? Sounds like dans to me. \_ Agreed. The exclamation marks, capitalization, and the fact that he responds to trolls 24x7 are all leading indicators that dans is on meth. sky on the other hand is on weeds. \_ At least he freebases with his circle of friends. \_ Will dans stop the madness before he becomes the next muchandr?! \_ Troll harder. -dans \_ Troll harder. By the way, I seem to be missing the volume of the New England Journal of Medicine that published the double-blind study correlating motd posting habits to drug use. Why don't you post a link to the article so the rest of us can read it? -dans \_ So that's like what, 4 kilos of MDMA? |
2006/4/4 [Computer/HW/Memory, Consumer/Audio] UID:42650 Activity:low |
4/4 To whoever recommended crucial, thanks for the tip, but I just cancelled my order with them. Their credit card clearing operation is pathetic, and customer service was rude and unhelpful. They were unwilling and/or unable to try to figure out how to process an out-of-US order. Fuck them. Thanks anyway. Any other suggestions? -John \_ Wow, sorry to hear about that. I've also used http://memoryx.net \_ Don't apologize, I appreciate the tips. I'll try them. -John \_ I've bought ram from 1-800-4-Memory (http://www.18004memory.com They were cheap and decent, but I have no idea how the service is outside the US. Another option could be to try amazon.co.uk. \_ Crucial is just a memory maker. They're resold by a zillion other companuies around the world. http://pricegrabber.com, http://pricewatch.com, http://shopping.com, froogle, http://pricescan.com, etc to find a reseller. \_ John, here is a hint: American Express. No, I am not kidding. Most of online store in USA requires billing address in USA. If you are using some non-USA card, you are going to get into trouble. American Express appearently only check the zip code. So, as long as the zip code is correct, it will go through. In my part of town, my zip code is 3 digit, and i managed to get it through by padding it with zeros at the front of digits :p kngharv \_ I don't think it is true--I work with Versign and AVS is available for AmEx as well. It's up to the vendor whether to use it or not. \_ The thing is, I already have 2 gold cards (one Swiss and one Chilean.) AmEx is fine, but I have never ever ever had trouble with either of my Visas except with US vendors. I'd prefer not to have another card floating around just to deal with people who're too lazy to implement proper ID checking (which this is a case of.) And as for zip codes, many of the shops I've had trouble with don't understand that a lot of the world doesn't work that way (my zip code right now is "Las Condes", go figure.) Thanks though. -John \_ Amazon seems to sell some Crucial memory. I've bought from Amazon abroad and shipped to the US, and that went smoothly. Perhaps the reverse is also smooth. |
2006/4/4 [Recreation/Dating, Computer/Rants] UID:42651 Activity:high 61%like:42661 |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060404/od_nm/india_books_dc Donkeys are more loyal than wives, says textbook. \_ I would say domestic housepets are even more loyal. \_ "You bitch!" "Thanks for the compliment!" \_ "You give a beggar a meal, he only loves you while it's on his lips." |
2006/4/4 [Recreation/Food, Recreation/Media] UID:42652 Activity:nil |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060403/ap_on_he_me/diet_black_kids_ads Yoyo, what's up home boy? Ya want KFC for finger licking good dinner? |
2006/4/4 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Industry/Startup] UID:42653 Activity:nil |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060404/ap_on_bi_ge/computer_sciences Computer Sciences Cutting 5,000 Jobs. Don't worry it's not CS CS, but CS Corp. What a dumb ass company name, it's like Merck naming itself "Pharmaceuticle Company" \_ How do you feel about Microchip, LSI, or VLSI? \_ Or Analog Devices. But yea, CSC is bad. My company uses them and they are incompetent. \_ Usually they are called 'CSC'. As other have noted, how is that much different from, say, SAIC? |
2006/4/4 [Reference/BayArea] UID:42654 Activity:moderate |
4/4 Hey City Utopia guy, let's say you've matured and have outgrown your needs to socialize with your friends and have PS2 LAN parties. Let's say you get a real job, settle down, get married, have kids, and buy a minivan. Are you still going to live in the city? Where are your kids gonna play? Where are you gonna park your minivan? Where would you go when your baby cries 12x7? Where would you \_ Hit the baby in the head with a shovel hide when your wife start nagging 24x7? \_ Go fuck yourself. \_ The issues you're describing are not unique to cities, and suburbs are not immune to them. \_ Plenty of people raise kids in cities. It's not that hard. \_ Yes but city kids tend to do drugs or become gay. \_ Do you have any evidence of this? \_ The best evidence possible: word of God through Falwell's lips... \_ Berkeley is a suburb of SF, right? \_ so Oakland is chopped liver? \_ Do more Berkeley residents work in Oakland or SF? Either way, Berkeley is a suburb. I wonder if Berkeley would be acceptable to City Utopia guy. \_ "There's no 'there' there" |
2006/4/4 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:42655 Activity:nil |
4/4 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4866964.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4773160.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4358830.stm The Culture of Corruption making headlines. Any more on the list? |
2006/4/4-6 [Health/Disease/General, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:42656 Activity:moderate |
4/4 "The [black] kids here have no hope. They have nothing to aspire to other that being a rapper or an athlete, and that's a million-to-one shot. In my neighborhood the only people recruiting are the gangs." http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060404/od_nm/crime_newjersey_dc \_ http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/dead-kennedys/38151.html "Empty plastic Culture slum suburbia Is a war zone now Sprouting the kinds of gangs We thought we'd left behind This could be anywhere This could be everywhere" \_ Everything I know came from a lyrics site on the net, too. \_ after centuries of oppression, what do you expect? "here is your freedom from slavery, not get the fuck out "here is your freedom from slavery, now get the fuck out of here" \_ Yeah, right. \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study We gained so much valuable medical information from these experiments. And don't forget all blacks love that guy Jim Crow!! \_ And up above you can see anonymous people arguing like idiots! -dans \_ why are you not hanging out with your hot gf instead of nuking the motd? \_ UCSC is back in session. She has school, I have work to do for clients. -dans \_ You work for a think tank that studies the crazy political positions of computer industry professionals? That's cool. Are they hiring? positions of computer industry professionals? That's cool. Are they hiring? \_ Get in line, buddy! I've been here way longer than you! There's a seniority system in place. \_ I totally agree that black kids have no hope. I mean until ROTJ black kids could hope to become a Dark Lord of the Sith w/ unrivaled force powers and other 1337 mad skillz, but then Lucas screws it all up by revealing that the badest black man in the history of the universe was really a pastey old white geezer. That is the real crime. Now all black kids have to hope for is to become Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Sec. of State or a Justice of the Supreme Court. Not one lightsaber amongst them, talk about a total let down. -stmg \_ But they can be like Lando Calrissian and drink Colt 45! \_ Lando sold out to a pastey old white guy. =( \_ "I'm altering our deal. Pray I don't alter it any futher." \_ Uh, so until then you thought Luke might be part black? \_ "You don't know the power of the Dark Side." Besides in a galaxy, far far awy, Black + White could equal whiny, long haired blond luser. -stmg |
2006/4/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:42657 Activity:moderate |
4/4 AZ Voter Reward Act. "This law will establish a voter reward random drawing every two years with a first prize of one million dollars or more. The purpose is to increase voter participation. Voters who cast ballots in primary or general elections will be eligible to win." http://www.azsos.gov/election/2006/General/Initiatives.htm \_ way to grab the poor vote. \_ Which puts the Republicans at a disadvantage. Oh no! \_ How about if you vote, you get tax deduction? \_ How about if you don't vote 5 years in a row, you lose your citizenship? \_ This sounds like a really bad idea, it's bound to invoke the law of unintended consequences. This will bring to the polls people that are not informed, but simply want the money. These folks are less likely to make informed decisions. But maybe that's the point. --jwm people that are not informed, but simply want the money. But maybe that's the point. --jwm \_ I don't see any reason to artificially boost voter participation. Voting isn't a lottery and we shouldn't have to bribe people to exercise a right others have died for. \_ Is this Constitutional? I don't think so. Can you pay people to vote? \_ What particular section of the US (or state) constitution would forbid this? I don't mean to be argumentative, but if you're going to cite the Constitution or "the law", put up the particulars. Anyway, Paying people to vote a certain way (and not in the "vote for me and I'll cut your taxes" way) is pretty verboten, but just to show up at the polls? People here get free stickers for voting -- Is that verboten? \_ The sticker is a red herring. Can, say, the Governator pay every registered Republican $100 to turn out and vote 'however they choose to vote'? I don't think so. \_ http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/42usc/subch_ia.htm Sec. 1973i(c) There is a law which makes it illegal to buy votes in an election for federal offices. There are probably state laws prohibiting vote buying for individual states. The correct question is to ask: Are these laws unconstitutional? Probably not. How about a state law which institutes a lottery? I don't know. \_ The problem with voting from my point of view is it's inconvenient. The vote day should be a mandatory holiday. Also the registration and absentee ballot process should be simpler. It should be a state-coordinated marketing effort to just go to a promoted web site and fill in minimum info, to get the ball rolling and the forms sent to you with postage-paid return envelopes, and send absentee ballots to everyone by default. \_ Voting shouldn't be so easy it has no value or meaning. Voting is something people should think about and understand wtf theyre doing before they vote. I used to think low turnout was a bad thing but then I realised I don't want the stupid, the uninformed and the too lazy to bother diluting my vote. Let them stay home and play video games. Voting is just not that hard. |
2006/4/4 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:42658 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20060403/sc_space/churchgoerslivelonger Church Goers Live Longer. Does that mean our Mormon friends on motd will probably post long after while the liberals die from AIDS, meth, and other illegal substance? \_ It's moot. The religious fundamentalists will out-breed the liberals. \_ But we out recruit the fundies. \_ From their children? \_ But they live that longer life in a state of delusion.... W/o the religious vote, we would not have had the disaster that has been the Bush administration. But I guess it's not surprising that the religious people voted for a big hypocrite like themselves. \_ Yeah, the kettle thinks you're black too. \_ Doctor: You have six months to live. Patient: What can I do? Doctor: Well... you could give up sex, booze and cigars. Patient: Would I live longer then? Doctor: No, but it will seem longer... \_ If they're having all those kids it didn't come from giving up sex.... |
2006/4/4 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:42659 Activity:high |
4/4 In Unix how does one figure out the amount of space a directory (all it's files and subdirectories, recursively) takes up? \_ man du \_ man du gook \_ mandu gook \_ mashitt da. \_ Thanks |
2006/4/4 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:42660 Activity:high |
4/4 For the folks who keep suggesting that building well-designed cities won't work, consider that the rush to suburbanization was artificially created by real estate developers and car manufacturers who aggressively destroyed public transportation and bribed public officials to pass no-mixed-use zoning laws to force out downtown businesses. This is not conspiracy theory. See "Home from Nowhere" for more details. \_ Great. Name one well-designed city. I am genuinely curious as to what it is you want your cities to be like (don't get me wrong, I love living in cities, and I rent, but I feel from your posts that you may be seeing things a bit simplistically.) -John \_ New York especially Manhatten, SF, Paris. Seattle, although less so than the others. Boston and Chicago but I haven't spent more than a few weeks in those. \_ You do understand that there are more jobs in cities than living space for people, right? It takes a *lot* more space per person for living than for working. So it is necessary for people to come from elsewhere to fill those jobs since the city lacks living space for everyone. We call the place where all those workers live "the suburbs". Now then, I do understand than in Utopiaville, the jobs/living space balance is in perfect harmony becaus our Beloved City Planners were able to magically predict population growth, demographic shifts, and drastic changes in the economy but outside of LaLa Fairy Land most of the rest of us live in the burbs and work in the city. Not because we like commuting 2-3 hours a day but because we can't afford to live in the city near our jobs. I think it's funny you'd choose SF as an ideal city since the public transit sucks and by plane, train, or auto- mobile it can easily take an hour or more to get anywhere. Manhatten is a shithole. Paris is hardly any better. I haven't been to the other cities you mention but I suspect they have suburbs and an inner city just like everywhere else. I suspect you've been reading too much utopian fantasy academic literature without taking a step back and looking at how real people live and why. People aren't little cogs or resource units for you to push around from one square to the next. \_ Singapore doesn't have any suburbs. Everyone (>4 million) lives and works in the city. \_ Ok great let's add 'caning' to the books, too. I can't wait to join your Utopiaville. \_ american cities were built when blacks still have to sit at the back of the bus. what's your point? \_ nah, the suburbs of chicago is utopia. very low crime, living is easy but rather boring. \_ or drives in on a motorbike from Malayasia --oj \_ are you from catholic high or hcjc? \_ Same with Hong Kong. \_ I have lots of colleagues who lives in the city and works in the suburbs here in Chicago. \_ As I said, I've never been to Chicago. Do you think your friends are typical of the Chicago area? \_ I don't know. I guess they like the city. I like to live near my work. I don't see why it should be difficult to have the jobs move to the suburbs. It's happening here in Chicago. I rarely need to go to the city. I don't have a problem with your conclusion, but the argument you are using - jobs are in the city, no living space there - may not be a valid assumption. Chicago suburb cities like Naperville or Schaumburg have lots of jobs, but you still need a car. \_ You have been brainwashed. It used to be that all workers lived and worked in cities. \_ This worked when you had servants willing to live in tiny closets. -John \_ Do most people living in the cities have servants anymore? \_ Do you think many of the gardeners, shop assistants, cleaners, maids, dishwashers, cab drivers and other fairly low paid but important blue collar workers live in Manhattan? Hint: no. Upshot: Yes, you can create much better public transportation to the suburbs than what most American cities have, but you'll never have some magical fairyland self-contained urban ideal. Nor do the Euro cities so many urban planning advocates cite as examples have it right. -John \_ You can afford to live in the city you work in. You cannot afford a 4000 sq ft house in the city you work in. My commute from one side of San Francisco to the other is 35 minutes on a bad day, using rapid transit. \_ I can't afford a 4000 sqft house in the suburbs either which means I could afford about 700-900 sqft in the city if I was lucky. I've lived in that before. No thanks. I'd rather commute 60-90 minutes. People are not rats or sardines. By the time most people hit their mid 20s, have spouses, a few kids, etc, there's no way 900 sqft is cutting it. Also, we've already done the school debate and your odds of getting your kids into a decent school near your home are tiny in SF. \_ Wow, you tihnk 900 is small? I grew up with a family of 4 and 1200 sq ft. 900 is plenty for a family of 3. For one or two people it is close to perfect. \_ Read "Home from Nowhere." \_ Even with downtown businesses, people seem to be willing to make the tradeoff of driving relatively far to commute there from suburbs. \_ Only because their living situation is massively subsidized. \_ If you actually had to pay the real costs of everything you use in life you couldn't afford to be alive. *Everything* is getting subsidized in one way or another. Let's end all those evil and nasty subsidies for everything, eh? My taxes will drop to near zero and I'll happily pay directly for any of the few services I still need. You think public transit has ever even come close to paying for itself? |
2006/4/4 [Recreation/Dating, Computer/Rants] UID:42661 Activity:nil 61%like:42651 |
4/4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060404/od_nm/india_books_dc Donkeys are more loyal than wives, says textbook. \_ I would say domestic housepets are even more loyal. \_ "You bitch!" "Thanks for the compliment!" \_ "You give a beggar a meal, he only loves you while it's on his lips." |
2006/4/4 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:42662 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 Help PHP MySQL experts! I installed PHP5 and Pear and tried /usr/bin/php mytest.php. It works, except it doesn't know where to find mysql_connect(...). How do you tell the command line how to invoke mysql commands? Thanks. \_ I'm the op and I did install mysql and it works under apache2. I figured out my problem. There are two files, /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and /etc/php5/cli/php.ini. Pear (command line php) uses /etc/php5/cli/php.ini, in which I need to uncomment "extension=mysql.so" the same way I did it for /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini. Thanks for your help Dave! By the way I don't this problem when I call the same PHP via HTTP. \_ PEAR is just a set of written-in-PHP classes and modules; it doesn't provide any library functionality. You need to install the mysql extension, which ships w/ PHP. In your UNIX it may ship as a separate package. --dbushong |
2006/4/4 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:42663 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 New Citroen w/ instant on/off engine: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/03/citron_introduc.html \_ Is that anything like Intel's viiv instant on? :-) |
2006/4/4 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:42664 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 John McCain is apparently offering $50/hr to pick lettuce. Where do I sign up? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060404/ap_on_go_co/mccain_booed_4 \_ I'm disappointed he too offers the "jobs Americans don't want". He lost my vote. \_ McCain has changed from "maverick" to "tool of Bush/hard right" in record time. Um, if you paid people $50/hour to pick lettuce you would have 100X as many applicants as jobs. McCain is losing it. \_ If you think McCain is "hard right" or "on the right of the right wing" as someone says below you're *waaay* left and/or completely uninformed. McCain has been a centrist moderate for many years. The man is working with Kennedy who can't be described as anything but far left. He's been pissing off the right since before 2000. If McCain is the hard right then what about the 50+ other (R) Senators more right than he is? Sheesh. \_ He always has been hard right. The one thing he had going for him was his work on campaign finance. I still respect him for that. But he's _always_ been on the right of the right wing. \_ His campaign 'non-reform' bill should have been called the 'incumbent protection bill'. If you truly want real campaign finance reform, you should be very very glad his ideas went no where. \_ Not quite, he's gone from saying Jerry Falwell is a lunatic to embracing Jerry Falwell. \_ Not quite, he's gone from saying Jerry Falwell is a lunatic to embracing Jerry Falwell. \_ I think the reason they all chant that mantra is they want you to think that. They don't want people to "want" those jobs because then they'd have to legitimately address the conditions and standards and wages of them and address the illegal immigrants etc. which would raise costs of the associated business interests. \_ BINGO! We have a winner! \_ I'd rather make $100,000/yr ($50/hr) doing manual labor outside than a soul-destroying office monkey job for $30,000/yr. \_ I've picked wine grapes in the fall in Paso Robles (for free, I might add) and it doesn't *have* to be crappy. Like any job, it can be if they underpay, underhire, and are assholes to boot. If you work for a good person who expects a reasonable amount of work at a fair wage then it's not a terrible job. Grapes are not lettuce, of course. Some crops are physically harder to harvest than others. \- and live in the central valley? and go to work at 5am? i dont think that's what i'd pick ... no pun intended. why dont you take on of those no pun intended. would you take one of those alaskan fishing jobs. there are a reaonable number \_ Picking lettuce is HARD but saying that for $50/hr you still would get only illegals is totally ridiculous. Would I prefer it to office work? No way! - !pp of grunt jobs that make dencent money. how much money to oil rig workers make? money to oil rig workers make? at $50/hr i think \_ $300-400/day, and you have long hours. you get a lot of people doing it for a couple of days to make some quick cash, but i dont think you'ld necessarily get a lot of long term employees. \_ I paid my way through college fishing in Alaska. Not only did it pay well, and was largely fun, I learned useful skills that have since helped me in my technical career. There are grunt jobs, like working the slime line on a processor, but being a deck hand or engineer is not a low skill job by any means. I certainly know people who've worked in that industry for their whole lives, although the guys who keep working on deck into their 50's are usually totally nuts. The smart ones are driving their own boat by the time their 40(and spending the winter in their condo in Hawaii by the time they're 50.) \- just out of curiousity, do you think a large percentage of say 18-30 year olds would not be able to do the AK FISH JOB regardless of pay, e.g. they dont have the strength, endurance, would be to scared etc, or do you think it is mostly about willingness rather than ability? \_ You have any idea how actual poor people live and work in this country? $50/hr is more than most of them will ever see no matter what happens to the inflation rate. Have you ever met a real poor person? Maybe they brought one in to your sociology class once? \- um, if you are talking to me, it is highly likely i have vastly more experience living say without running water or continual electricity than you do. my point is that there would certainly be many people willing to do the job for 50/hr full time, but a problem you would have as an employer would be "weeding out" the people looking to make say $2k and then quitting and then living cheaply for a while. i did stuff like that for a while ... bill $100/hr for say a two week programming job and then live off of that for a large part of the year. anyway, one point is that some hourly or "piece rate" jobs dont neatly turn into annual salary jobs by just multiplying by 2000. where did this irrelevancy about the inflation rate and such come in? \_ if he had karl rove, he would have been smart enough to say $5/hr \_ "McCain insisted none of them would do such menial labor for a complete season." For heaven's sake, my father's summer job in HS was picking melons in Bakersfield. \_ So how much will the price of lettuce be on store shelves? And how many would be willing to pay that price? |
2006/4/4 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:42665 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 Apparently this adult education teacher flunked his own class http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/04/paperweight.explosion.ap/index.html \_ He flunked basic common sense, but the class was not "handling ordinance" |
2006/4/4 [Uncategorized] UID:42666 Activity:nil |
4/4 Question for Christians: when you pray, dost thou employ olde English as in the KJV? |
2006/4/4-6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Recreation/Music] UID:42667 Activity:nil |
4/4 "Bush was Right" music video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o762HKxYMeA&eurl= \_ Seven outright falsehoods, and two misattributions. But, hey, sing it loud enough and it _must_ be true. \_ I like how the guitar goes "nah-nah-nah-n-nah nah!" |
2006/4/4-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:42672 Activity:kinda low |
4/4 If you're going to wipe the motd, nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure: __/~*##$%@@@******~\-__ /f=r/~_-~ _-_ --_.^-~--\=b\ 4fF / */ .o ._-__.__/~-. \*R\ /fF./ . /- /' /|/| \_ * *\ *\R\ (iC.I+ '| - *-/00 |- \ ) ) )|RB (I| ( [ / -|/^^\ | ) /_/ | *)B (I(. \ `` \ \m_m_|~__/ )_ .-~ F/ \b\\=_.\_b`-+-~x-_/ .. ,._/ , F/ ~\_\= = =-*###%#x==-# *=- =/ ~\**U/~ | i i | ~~~\===~ You know, we totoro | I I \\ do not appreciate this. / // i\ \\ ( [ (( I@) ))) ) / \_\_VYVU_/ || * | |\|\ /* /I\ *~~\ | OO\ /~-/* / \ \ ~~M~\ | /^^\| ____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___ |_m_m/ /-------\/ || * | |\|\ / | || /* /I\ *~~\ | OO\ * ||W---|| /~-/* / \ \ ~~M~\ | /^^\| ~~ ~~ ____----=~ // /WVW\* \|\ ***===--___ |_m_m/ \_ Yes!!!! |
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