Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2006:April:02 Sunday <Saturday, Monday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2006/4/2-3 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:42606 Activity:kinda low
4/1     Does anyone have a recumbent bicycle? Does it let you bike
        farther or faster? Do you like your recumbent bicycle and
        would you recommend it?
        \_ I tried one on the beach in Santa Barbara.  It feels very
           comfortable moving your legs lazily under the
           sun while lying back; I almost fell asleep.  The control
           isn't as good as a regular bike, so I wouldn't want to
           go too fast on one, but you may be talking about a
           different kind of recumbent bike.
        \_ I hear they are great on the flats and downhill, but
           a bear for climbing.
        \_ I ride a recumbent.  It's more aerodynamic, which makes me faster
           than I would be on a conventional road bike.  It's a lot more
           comfortable, so I can ride it much longer distances than I could a
           conventional road bike.  With respect to the comments above,
           recumbent geometries vary much more than conventional road bikes,
           and have a broad range of handling characteristics.  Where one
           rider might regard a short wheelbase as twitchy, another might
           regard long wheelbase bikes as unresponsive.  If you don't like
           one design, try something else.  I've heard the comments about
           recumbents being bad on hills, but can't say I agree.  I suspect
           it's because older designs were considerably heavier (and heavy
           bikes are slow uphill).                      --alawrenc
2006/4/2-3 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:42607 Activity:nil
4/2     Anyone been getting a "Connection closed by" when
        attempting to ssh into soda? I'm getting this when using OS X's
        OpenSSH but not when using Java SSH. [motd format god was here]
        \_ I've been getting this too from OS X and from a Linux machine.
           Clever idea to use the Java SSH client though -- i hadn't thought
           of that.
           \_ Works fine with putty. Something wonky happened recently.
              Local ssh also fails. The sshd must have been broken.
              \_ I am using putty and I am not able to get in.
           \_ Further investigation: I added my key to authorized_hosts2
              and can login from my OS X box now. It seems that the
              keyboard-interactive method is broken. -pp
              \- Starting last thursday around 5-6pm or so, we saw
                 some RSTs resetting ssh connections of certain network
                 segments I cant go into details about. We haven't figured
                 out where they came from and a fair number of people
                 are quite converned about this. I'd may attention to
                 chaning hostkeys and generally go to DEFCON4 for a while.
                 This was not in the domain. If you see
                 this is other domains, can you list them here. Tnx.
2006/4/2-3 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:42608 Activity:nil 80%like:42603
4/1     Freepers react to kidnapped reporter saying her statements were made
        at gunpoint.
2006/4/2-4 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:42609 Activity:low
4/2     I'm trying to get less drag on my hybrid bike so that I can
        catch up to people. I've heard from this guy that wind is
        about 80% of the drag at 30km/h, and that by crouching down
        you cut wind resistance by about 1/3. Short of getting a real
        road bike which is stiff and uncomfortable, is it "wrong" to
        get a drop down handlebar for a hybrid bike?
        \_ If you want a faster bike that's more comfortable than a
           conventional upright road bike, then try a recumbent.
           \_ Right now, I can catch up to tom for a short period of time
              before he ditches everyone else. If I get a recumbent, will
              I be able to catch up to him for a slightly longer period
              of time?                          -outa shape guy
              \_ Modern recumbents (highracers such as the Bacchetta Aero, or
                 lowracers such as the Velokraft VK2) are more aerodynamic than
                 modern uprights.  This means that for a given power input, the
                 recumbent will produce a higher speed.  This has been
                 confirmed in wind tunnels.  This doesn't necessarily mean
                 that you'll be faster on a recumbent, or that it will be
                 easier for you to catch a particular rider.  When placed on
                 a more efficient bike, some riders have a tendency to slack
                 off and expend less energy to maintain their customary speed.
                 Some upright riders tend to expend more energy to avoid
                 letting a recumbent catch up with them.
                 \_ Alright I'm interested, where can I try one for free
                    and how expensive are they? Ebay has them for as low as
                    $800, which still is a lot. Also how much do fairings
                    help aerodynamically? I need to be able to catch up
                    to people without having to work too hard. Thanks.
                 \_ I ride a very heavy mountain bike with a lot of crap
                    hanging off the sides.  When I see one of those road
                    bike hosers with a 2000 dollar bike and a lycra outfit
                    covered in corporate logos for no good reason(because
                    it's some fat dude who's obsiously not on a cycling
                    team), I'll bust ass to stay ahead of him no matter what,
                    just on principle.
                    \_ That may be so for one or two rich asses but you
                       can't possibly beat every single one of the hard
                       core roadsters. I bet you can't beat tom.
                       \_ I'm positive I couldn't beat a hardcore racer type
                          like tom.  But I'm also pretty sure a guy like that
                          wouldn't be making a big deal out of passing an
                          obvious commuter with two bags over his shoulder
                          and a heavy bike.  If someone minds their own
                          business, I'll mind mine, but some of these fat
                          yuppie roadbikers seem to think they're the shit
                          because they can pass me on their ultralight toys.
                          I feel the need to remind them in the most phyical
                          possible way that spending money
                          does not substitute for riding every day.
                          \_ Uh, I'm not a racer type, and I'm not particularly
                             fast among racer types.  Although I have dropped
                             people on $2K Lemonds on my Schwinn.  -tom
                          \_ You seem to have a lot of hate for people
                             who can afford bigger toys than you. Cheer up!
                             \_ Uhh, no.  I could probably afford a more
                                expensive bike than most of those people,
                                and pay cash.  I hate stupid fat yuppie
                                poseurs.  While many roadbikers are clearly
                                good poeple and great athletes, I would argue
                                that the vast majority of fat stupid yuppie
                                poseurs on bikes are on road bikes.
        \_ On a long ride, an upright road bike should be more comfortable
           than a hybrid, because the hybrid's upright seating position puts
           a greater strain on your lower back.  The riding position of an
           upright road bike shifts about 35% of your body weight off your
           spine (and onto the handlebars).  Are your comments about road
           bikes based on actual experience on long rides?
2006/4/2-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:42610 Activity:nil
4/2     Is it possible to buy unhomogenized milk these days? I'd like to
        try a bottle and see what it is like use the top cream that floats
        on top of the milk for bread and the rest for drinking. I'm curious
        what our grandparents did in the old days.
        \_ I'm glad they homogenized it.  I think it tastes better than the
           unhomogenized version.
        \_ my grandpa killed 19 krauts and was proud of it. never talked
           about unhomogenized milk tho
        \_ I know Andronicos on Shattuck used to sell unhomogenized milk from
           the Strauss creamery in glass bottles.  I don't know if they still
           carry it.
           \_ Yup, they do.  They'll charge you a $1 deposit for the glass
              bottle; when you're done with the milk, wash out the bottle and
              bring it back to the cashier to get your dollar back.  You can
              also get the same milk in plastic bottles at Elephant Pharmacy.
              It's pretty good stuff.  (If you like it, you might also want
              to try Clover Farms' homogenized whole milk.)
           \_ Milkmen were convenient to have in the old days. Why don't
              they have milkmen anymore? Is it because husbands got pissed
              that they were sleeping with their wives?
           \_ You can find Strauss milk at Whole Foods. No idea if it is
              homogenized or not.
        \_ Encyclopedia Galactic (aka Google) says Organic Valley Coop sells
           non-homogenized whole milk in many CA stores:
           Apparently it sold at Andronico's on Telegraph, Shattuck and
           University, Whole Foods on Telegraph and several other places.
           (Just put in your zip code in ther where to buy and select type
           Several threads on indicate that Berkeley
           Bowl sells non-homogenized milk/yogurt.
        \_ Fuck un-homogenized, go whole hog (cow?) and get the raw stuff.
           Berkeley Bowl sells that as well, although it's expensive
           and expires pretty fast.  (Then again it is so damn good I doubt
           that will be a problem.)
        \_ get your girlfriend to lactate in a bottle for you.
           \_ There's some biological pre-reqs before that can happen....
2006/4/2-4 [Uncategorized] UID:42611 Activity:nil
4/2     Back by popular demand!
        \_ Gotta love a girl in uniform.
        \_ what a lucky missile.
2006/4/2-4 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Computer/Theory] UID:42612 Activity:nil 80%like:42614
4/2 (
        South Korea Wants 100% Robot Penetration by 2020
        \_ yermom prefers the human touch.
2006/4/2-4 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:42613 Activity:nil
4/2 (
        China shuts down Rolling Stone
2006/4/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Computer/Theory] UID:42614 Activity:nil 80%like:42612
        South Korea Wants 100% Robot Penetration by 2020
2006/4/2-4 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:42620 Activity:low
4/2     You see 1/2 million blacks protest. You see 1/2 million latinos
        protest. How come you don't see 1/2 million whites protest?
        \_ For starter it's easier to find jobless blacks and latinos
           than whites. That's why you'll never see the Million Jew March.
           \_ Or maybe that's because there are a *lot* more of almost every
              other race than Jews in this country?  Of course you would know
              the reason for that is ZOG wants to limit the number of people
              They need to share power with so Jews breed when ZOG tells them
              to and who with.
              \_ Ey, watch it, shush.  You're telling them all the
                 secret stuff!
        \_ What are they going to protest? "Oh no, I'm not oppressed and
           priviliged!" Protests are for people who are or have been
           oppressed, like the latinos and the blacks. It's the same
           reason why you won't see 1/2 million chinese take the streets
           and protest.(Well, at least not in America.)
           \_ That mean old congress is going to take away their medicare
              benefits and they will have to learn to use the internet to
              order petmeds from canada in order to stay alive.
           \_ whites can protest in the form of union labor strikes.  though,
              that tends to be a heterogenous mix of races.
           \_ We'll call it "the Million Goth March!"
        \_ Most white-dominated countries, including the U.S., had well over
           500K people protesting before Bush and the PNAC crew railroaded us
           into Operation Clusterfuck.  -tom
           \_ You're wrong. American leadership is good both for America
              and for the world; and that such leadership requires military
              strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.
              \_ Yeah, you said it: "commitment to moral principle".  Somehow
                 building a mountain of lies doesn't quite fit that, does it?
                 \_ Stop it! You're making jblack mad. Now he's going to
                    double his effort posting even more freeper URLs.
        \_ The Promise Keepers protest sure seemed pretty white to me.
2006/4/2-4 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:42621 Activity:nil
4/2     Does anyone else remember this old ASCII DOS game, ZZT?  It turns
        out there's a whole cult built out of making new games with it's
        internal programming language ZZT-OOP.  Weird stuff
2019/01/20 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2006:April:02 Sunday <Saturday, Monday>