4/1 The fellow who as been the editor of the e'ist for the entire adult
lives for most of you is stepping down. Interesting farewell
restrospection at:
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=6744590
Main topics: 1. globalization 2. poverty 3.iraq
--psb
\_ Synopsis: fact #1 fact #2 ... fact #n ... that's why
the Iraq War is a good thing and we should redouble our effort."
Economist's view is that "Conservative think tanks are the
answer to liberal academia." Go figure.
\_ thanks for the article. his big cop out was arguing that
his support for the Iraq war was right, but that George Bush
let us down. Please ... you cannot decide whether to support
a war without taking into consideration the capabilities of
the leadership taking charge of the war and its aftermath.
Even a really good leadership would have a very difficult
time in the case of Iraq, and would likely make things worse
instead of better, and also tie us up for a long time.
That's why the war is a bad idea. He
should just say, "we're wrong", and I will have more
respect for him. I like Economist better before him
Economist also become more pro-American from a
politics standpoint instead of representing a more multi-
faceted worldview. I don't necessarily disagree with that,
but alternate viewpoints tend to be fresher and more
interesting, as opposed to feeling like just another
US based rag.
\_ He should have been more skeptical, but many thinking people,
myself included, had no inkling of a clue that this would be
so horribly mismanaged. Afghanistan was pulled off fairly
handily, and despite it being pretty obvious from the get-go
that the whole WMD thing was a sham, I am still in favor of the
invasion of Iraq, for reasons I've stated repeatedly. There
is no inconsistency in that article whatsoever. -John
\_ Actually many thinking people, myself included, know that
the aftermath would be terribly difficult to manage.
That he didn't have a clue, doesn't mean he was dumb,
but it does mean he was wrong. Afghanistan was a country
that was totally exhausted from years of war, and anything
was better than the Taliban, and there was international
support, and Osama bin Laden was there, so our goal and
aim was clear. OBL was our target. Nation building was
a secondary goal. If it worked out, great, if it didn't,
it was okay.
\- I wish he had used stronger words of condemnation too
but he does say: 1. maybe we should have been more skeptical
of governments, as we are inclined to be 2. recall they did
run a cover story called RUMSFELD RESIGN ... did any other
not-obviously left papers say anything comparable?
not-obviously-left papers say anything comparable?
I supported an Administration I didnt
trust believing that the consequences
would repay the gamble. Now I realize
that intentions do shape consequences.
--Michael Ignatieff, NYT Magazine
--psb
\_ I wrote the above before reading the last
paragraph, so yes, it's a little bit better,
but I think my above comments stand.
The other change for the worse, at least from
my standpoint, is a shift in weight towards
an Atlantic centric coverage. There also seems to
my standpoint, is a slight shift in weight towards
a Atlantic centric coverage. There also seems to
my standpoint, was a shift in weight towards
an Atlantic centric coverage. There also seemed to
be a change in the people covering asia, or at
least east asia. I find the analysis and
insights not as astute as before. One example
was the coverage of Taiwan politics, for
instance. The Economist was all enamoured
was the coverage of Taiwan politics.
The Economist was all enamoured
with the "upstart" DPP and Chen Shui Bian,
Taiwan's current president. I haven't read
Taiwan's current president. I haven't read a
single article even slightly negative about
him since his first election 6 years ago.
Such one-sided coverage is more akin to
Newsweek as opposed to the old Economist.
Newsweek than to the old Economist.
Economist is still good, but my favourite
these days is WSJ. And I agree with the
poster below about the jab at China. China
pretty much laid out its bottomline pretty
laid out its bottomline pretty
clearly. And the likeliest miscalculation
would be from the Taiwan side, at least for
the coming few years. 15 years from now, it's
the coming few years. 10 years from now, it's
harder to say. What do you think of the
Economist's coverage of South Asia? I don't
know enough about the region to judge.
Economist's coverage of India? I don't know
enough about India to judge.
\_ I think he completely down-played China's role on reducing
proverty. Instead, he emphasis on China might 'mis-calculate"
over issue of Taiwan. If he actually pays attention to the issue
of two Chinas, he will know it's Taiwan that has been provoking
the mainland for past 10-13 years.
\_ There is only one China.
\_ Agree, and it is called Taiwan. -FreeTai Troll
\_ you mean Chinese Republic :p
\- the e'ist takes jabs at lots of people. like the "greetings
earthlings" cover, the man-mountain kohl cover, poking at the
french, the notorious "chink in their armor" comment etc.
\_ I second the thanks for the link and the frustration with
his analysis of the Iraq war. Most galling is his comment that
given the information at the time, invasion was the right decision.
Regardless of whether or not Saddam was trying to develop WMD,
it was clear that he was not a threat to anyone in the region,
much less the Europe or the US. Unfortunately, at the time, it was
made to seem that the opposition to the war came mainly from
intelligent, though admitedly lunitic fringe types like Chomsky and
Said, but many respectable people who concede that force is
occasionaly necessary were also against it. Here's Ken Waltz's take
on it at the time:
http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/people3/Waltz/waltz-con6.html
(I'm not sure who this is aimed at, as psb probably knew that, and
the ecst doesn't read the motd...) Bill Emmott did win points in
my book when he wrote that letter to Dan Savage, though.
\_ What about all those blank missiles Chine fired towards
Taiwan? What do you call that? Fuck you ChiCom. -Free Taiwan
\_ It's very simple: Taiwan will never willingly join the PRC
until the PRC gets its shit together and creates
until the government gets its shit together and creates
a predictable, fair and democratic form of government.
\_ It's not so simple. TW's government is so fucked up and
current government is not even legit in many people's eye
due to election fraud back in 2004.
\_ Which govt? Taiwan, PRC, or US?
\_ All three. When all of them function with integrity
and honesty like Denmark, we'll all live in harmony.
\_ ^government^PRC
\_ I was under the impression Taiwan was basically an oligarchy
these days anyway.
\_ And what in the world gives you that impression? They
have more parties that could legitimate win the election
each year than we have here in the US with our two party
system.
\_ you have no idea. The comment on oligarchy is actually
a more accurate description of TW's politics today.
\_ Feel free to qualify your statements at any time. |