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2006/3/26-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:42436 Activity:high
3/25    dans, just an observation, please don't get mad at me. For a nice
        quiet Saturday night, you sure are using a lot of exclamations and
        a lot of cuss words. Normally I'd go out to the beach or somewhere
        more interesting and pleasant than the motd. However, I have a project
        that's due next week so I'm reading the motd. What's your excuse
        for using the motd? Just curious.
        \_ Heh.  I'm not mad at anyone on the motd.  I swear frequently in
           informal situations, particularly when namecalling is involved.
           ``English, motherfucker, do you speak it?'' is a quote from Pulp
           Fiction.  I'm putting the finishing touches on some code I spent
           the last month writing, and will put a release announcement on the
           motd when it's ready.  I read and respond to the motd while waiting
           for emacs TRAMP mode to save files since it lags a bit when writing
           to soda, which is actually due to a workaround for a FreeBSD bug.
           As soon as I finish, I plan to either cuddle at home with my
           girlfriend or go out partying with her and other friends. -dans
           Fiction.  If my language is harsh, it's provoked by people writing
           posts that are either disingenuous (i.e. intellectually dishonest)
           or outright stupid and naive.  As for what I'm doing writing on the
                \_ If it's "informal" which I read as "just the motd" then
                   why do you seem so easily provoked?  If you're in a text
                   only world then when you slap unnecessary curses into your
                   rants you only come off looking like a ranting child.  It
                   doesn't get any other point across.
                      \_ "One man's vulgarity is another man's lyric." -jharlan
                           \_ "One man's vulgarity is another man's lyric."
                               Who are you to judge? -jharlan
                   \_ This is your opinion, and you're welcome to it.  Frankly,
                      trying to make a point on the motd is kind of silly.
                      There are a handful of people like John, jrleek and
                      myself who are open-minded enough to actually read the
                      motd and change our opinions based on a well reasoned
                      argument, and even admit we are wrong once in a while.
                      \_ emarkp still thinks the Iraq War is good.
                        \_ Nice and all but "English, motherfucker, do you
                           speak it?" isn't an argument.  If you'd actually
                           made an argument then you'd have something.  You
                           \_ Yes, the argument was that the pp's english
                              reading comprehension was poor since s/he
                              ignored the rather important phrase ``appear to
                              be'' in my statement.  Apparently, foul language
                              interferes with your reading comprehension.
                              -dans
                           ranted like an idiot child.  I don't care beyond
                           \_ Are you suggesting that all rants, that is,
                              violent or extravagant speech acts are childish
                              and idiotic?  If not, what makes my `rant'
                              childish and idiotic?  Please support your
                              statements with facts. -dans
                              \_ You realise I could go through your response
                                     \_ sic
                                 and toss your own "Please support your
                                 statements with facts" line back at you since
                                 you don't but it would be a waste of my time.
                                 I was just trying to help you out but you're
                                 obviously much more brilliant and clever than
                                 me and on par with award winning drama which
                                 I can't compete with.  Thank you for sharing
                                 your wit and brilliance with us.  I look
                                 forward to more random and off topic cursing
                                 and avoidance of issues that were addressed
                                 which you pretend weren't.  All of this is
                                 opinion but I'd bet anything that someone
                                 who goes through life telling people,
                                 \_ You are incorrect sir.  Strangely enough,
                                    you continue to waste your time by
                                    responding to me.  Funny that. -dans
                                 I was just trying to help you out but
                                 you're obviously much more brilliant and
                                 clever than me and on par with award winning
                                 drama which I can't compete with.  Thank you
                                 for sharing your wit and brilliance with us.
                                 I look forward to more random and off topic
                                 cursing and avoidance of issues that were
                                 addressed which you pretend weren't.  All of
                                 this is opinion but I'd bet anything that
                                 someone who goes through life telling people,
                                 "English, motherfucker, do you speak it?"
                                 is not going to do as well as someone who
                                 doesn't, all else being equal.  Perhaps your
                                 \_ I do just fine for myself, thank you very
                                    much. -dans
                                 award winning brilliance puts you outside
                                 the curve.  Will you be providing any free
                                 tickets to your motd followers to attend the
                                 awards ceremony next year?
                                 \_ Is this a sad attempt at humor?  Or just a
                                    weak insult? -dans
                           the bit waste generated but I thought you might
                               \_ Because bandwidth is a precious unrenewable
                                  commodity. -dans
                           care how you come across to someone who doesn't
                           know you but it doesn't hurt me either way what
                           decisions you make for yourself.  I've changed
                           my mind about numerous things based on what I've
                           read on the motd but never from anything from
                           a non-response like, "English, motherfucker, do
                           you speak it?".  I don't even see why you'd bother
                           posting such a thing.  Better to not post at all,
                           IMO.  There are some situations where dropping some
                           curse words adds value; the motd isn't one of them.
                           \_ This is your opinion.  Please provide facts to
                              support this. -dans
                           As an aside, I find it funny to see you switch
                           back and forth between holier-than-thou and
                           idiot-child mode, especially when you get into
                           holier-mode (and attack other random people who
                           aren't even here) to cover your moments of idiocy.
                           The opinions here on many topics cover a wide
                           spectrum and sometimes get heated and we joke about
                           the motd being a wasteland, but the truth is you're
                           talking to the top 1% edge of the general population
                           where "English, motherfucker, do you speak it?"
                           isn't taken well and adds nothing.  Take care.
                                          \_ by you; do you speak for the motd
                                             populace at larges for they have
                                             no voices to speak with? -dans
                                             \_ While PP gives every indication
                                                of being a pretentious blowhard
                                                cock monkey, I think most
                                                people here are getting a bit
                                                tired of half of the motd being
                                                the dans vs. the world show.
                                                At least the ilyas flame wars
                                                were usually about politics
                                                or philosophy, and not just
                                                personal insults and OS crap.
                                                \_ That's Mr. Cock Monkey to
                                                   you, pal!  -pp
                                                \_ OS crap?  Dude, this is the
                                                   Computer Science
                                                   Undergraduate Association!
                                                   I'm sure the Philosophy and
                                                   Political Science
                                                   Undergraduate Assocations
                                                   have motd where you can
                                                   argue those topics to your
                                                   hearts content.  If it
                                                   really trips you out, you
                                                   can delete threads I post
                                                   in, but I think that the
                                                   other half of the motd
                                                   would be upset at the
                                                   nukefest. -dans
                                                   nukefest.  Also, it may be
                                                   that my tendency to sign my
                                                   posts biases the
                                                   observation that leads to
                                                   the dan vs. the world
                                                   conclusion. -dans
                                                   \_ Well, that and the
                                                      content....
                           \_ As mentioned above, ``English, motherfucker, do
                              you speak it'' is a quote from Pulp Fiction,
                              which won an Academy Award for best screenplay.
                              It's not exactly an obscure reference.  And it
                              supports my preceding sentence where I ask what
                              the pp on that thread didn't grok about the
                              phrase ``appear to be''.  I posted it because it
                              was a) likely amusing to anyone who got the
                              reference and b) hammered my point home.
                              Question, have you ever read anything by
                              Christopher Hitchens?  What do you think of him?
                              In particular, have you read ``The Missionary
                              Postion,'' his rather nasty character
                              assassination of Mother Teresa?  What did you
                              \_ Why is this a "character assassination"?
                                 will agree with this term if you do not
                                 give it a negative stigma, but if half of
                                 what he claimed about her is true, she did
                                 not deserve to be sainted, and he has a
                                 point.  Several good articles have been
                                 written about the nasty sides of her and
                                 similar organizations.  Now back to your
                                 original flame war.  -John
                              think of it?  I don't mean to suggest my
                              rhetoric is anywhere near the level of
                              Hitchens'.  My only point is that nastiness and
                              harsh language do not make an argument childish,
                              and it's childish to believe that they do. -dans
                      Most other regular posters that bother to sign their
                      posts, e.g. tom, ilyas, jblack, are such stubborn,
                      delusional bastards that they will *never* change there
                      opinions.  Or, rather, in seven plus years of reading
                      and posting to the motd, I've never seen them change an
                      opinion or admit to being wrong.  If you'll dismiss an
                      argument as a senseless rant purely because it has
                          \_ as opposed to ad hominems because somebody
                             uses a term like AssOS
                             \_ I don't believe that suggesting someone is
                                biased for using the term AssOS is an ad
                                hominem.  Please cite an ad hominem I used
                                to refer to psb with.  Otherwise, consider
                                looking up the definition of ad hominem.  I
                                used the term AssholeOS to refer to FreeBSD,
                                and, given the typical behavior of the
                                FreeBSD community members, it's as reasonable
                                a moniker for the OS as AssOS is for Linux.
                                Thus, it is not an ad hominem. -dans
                      profanity in it, then you're a fool.  This is the motd,
                      not Forensics, Speech, and Debate club. -dans
           motd on a Saturday night, I'm putting the finishing touches on
           some code I spent the last month writing, and will put a release
           announcement on the motd when it's ready.  I read and respond to
           the motd while waiting for emacs TRAMP mode to save files since it
           lags a bit when writing to soda, which is actually due to a
           workaround for a FreeBSD bug.  As soon as I finish, I plan to
           either cuddle with my girlfriend or go out partying with her and
           other friends. -dans
           \_ Awsome. So what are you coding?
           \_ Hey, have you figured out a way for TRAMP to warn you that the
              file has changed before updating it?
              \_ TRAMP appears to do this for me.  Does it not do this for
                 you, or is there some sort of bug?  The two things I set in
                 my .emacs to impact TRAMP behavior are:
                 (setq-default auto-save-timeout 600)
                 and I set tramp-chunksize to 150, which I did through emacs
                 graphical customization interface.  I suspect something like:
                 (setq tramp-chunksize 150) would be what you want.
                 -dans
                 \_ TRAMP doesn't seem to warn me if the file has changed,
                    unlike when I'm editing local files. I usually try to
                    do a revert-buffer and then add my change, but that
                    isn't a 100% fool proof sol'n.
                    \_ Strange, I don't have this problem.  Hmm, what host are
                       you working with?  What is your shell?  I have it
                       working on soda and several of my own boxes running
                       Linux.  I switched my shell to bash on soda because I
                       didn't feel like beating my head against a wall trying
                       to make TRAMP work with tcsh.  Hmm... you're trying to
                       edit the motd, aren't you?  I don't use it for that, so
                       the check if file has changed issue doesn't come up as
                       often for me. -dans
                       \_ My remote host is OS X running the dp emacs-devel.
                          My soda shell is bash. Yes, I'm trying to edit the
                          motd and I'm trying to play nice.
                          \_ Sorry, I don't think I'll be of much help.  I'm
                             running a similar environment, but I edit the
                             motd locally in vi.  What if you wrote a script
                             to copy the motd, and, when you saved your copy,
                             it would check if the motd had changed.  If no,
                             overwrite the motd, if yes, give you a diff or
                             something? -dans
                             \_ Solved my problem: M-x diff-buffer-with-file
                                works w/ TRAMP.
2006/3/26-27 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:42437 Activity:nil
3/25    Help bike experts. Given the same price and everything else, what is
        better, the Shimano RevoShift twist shift (Tourney) or the rapid-fire
        Doere shifter? I'm used to the "interface" of twist shifter
        but the bike shop top me the rapid-fire shifter is more solid.
        Need advice. Thanks.
        \_ http://www.cyclingforums.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=30
2006/3/26-27 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:42438 Activity:nil
3/25    One mans story of torture:
        http://csua.org/u/fc3
        \_ Last I checked "Olga" was not a man's name.  Anyway, what would
           you say the line is between torture and interrogation?  Is any
           form of aggressiveness questioning beyond bounds with prisoners of
           war?
           \_ The electric shocks probably count as torture.
              \_ Probably.  What about other things?  Where is the line?
2006/3/26-27 [Computer/Theory] UID:42439 Activity:nil
3/25    National Post on Noam Chomsky:
        http://tinyurl.com/rwteu (canada.com/nationalpost)
        \_ So he is a smart investor, too. My respect for him grows.
2006/3/26-28 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:42440 Activity:nil
3/26    Freepers react to Los Angeles immigrants' rights protest
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603132/posts
        \_ Earth calling jblack. We're waiting for your anti-immigrant
           rant^H^H^H^Hspeech
        \_ Looks like an invading army poised for conquest
           of the southwest.
2006/3/26 [Uncategorized] UID:42441 Activity:nil
3/26    dans is on morph
2006/3/26-29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:42442 Activity:nil
3/26    I'm currently taking an approach to life that includes elimination
        of things which are both unecessary and unpleasant. I'm not quite sure
        whether rants on the MOTD qualify, but I'm leaning towards yes. In
        which case, do they exist only because of immaturity? This is not a
        troll, I'm interested in what people think. -jhs
        \_ Log off.  Go outside.  Repeat.
        \_ Posting them or reading them? :-)   I suspect most of them are
           posted from boredom and most reply out of boredom just to keep
           it going to give everyone something to do during the day.  If
           motd rants are that high on your list then either you're spending
           way too much time here or I envy the tiny unpleasantness in your
           life.  IMO, they're mostly harmless.
           \_ I have lots of awesome right now -jhs
           \_ Agreed, they're mostly harmless.  I don't take the motd too
              seriously, it's basically verbal jousting for me.
              Occasionally it includes useful information.  Once in a while
              there's a good, i.e. well reasoned, thoughtfully argued,
              discussion to be had, but, if the motd is representative, then
              most CS folk have poor rhetoric and debate skills.  It is a
              \- The Calif state high school debate champions for 1985 work
                 for for Cisco and Tivo. For 1986 champions, one did CS
                 undergrad at the 'Fraud (but then as with his partner,
                 went to law school). Half of the best team in 1984 [didnt win
                 state but won the berkeley tourney] is working for Sun.
                 Another of the mid-80s power pair has one half who made a
                 lot of $$$ early at oracle and then went through so-so
                 dot coms and his parner did cs undergrad at UCB and then
                 PHD at UIUC in compliers.
                 dot coms and his parner did cs undergrad at ucb and then
                 phd at uiuc in compliers.
                 \_ I don't have stories this impressive, but 1/2 of my
                    HS debate team (~10 ppl) went to Cal for some eng.
                    major (mostly EE/CS). Many, including myself, have
                    since moved on to law school.
                    Of the last 4 interns I've hired from Cal, all were
                    HS Varsity debate w/ a tourney win.
                    I always thought that HS debate was basically some-
                    thing that many engineers did in HS b/c it was one
                    of those activities like chess club or computer club
                    where you could hang out w/ other intelligent ppl
                    and talk about completely useless stuff that normal,
                    well adjusted kids couldn't care less about (like the
                    benefits of running a counterplan).
              reliable source for amusement in the form of trolling and
              trash-talking.  In my family, this was our after-dinner
              entertainment.  After we had a serious discussion about politics,
              ethics, current events, or whatever over dinner, my brothers and
              I would play a game of trash-talking top this.  Although it's
              crass, there is a real art to it and it takes creativity and
              intelligence to do it well.  If you find it unnecessary and
              unpleasant then the motd probably isn't the best place to spend
              your spare time.  The motd has a tradition of crass trolling and
              namecalling that predates both of us by easily a decade. -dans
        \_ I've rant'ed on the motd from time to time and I think it was
           helpful to have some people to talk to when things were going
           badly at work, &c. Its like calling up your brother and blowing
           off steam b/c QA can't get their fracking act together and you
           have to spend ya weekend at work b/c of their screwups.
           \_ Totally agree. And it's cheaper than therapy too!
        \_ Sorry, I mean the flame wars more than the rants -jhs
           \_ I guess flame wars are unpleasant, but I'm not sure
              they are unnecessary. Sometimes its better for people
              to work out their idiocy in a safe environment, like
              the motd, rather than irl. I've had to work w/ some
              real arses over the years; if they talked out of
              arse on the motd instead of in the hallways, the
              overall work env. would have been better. I'm guessing
              that some of the usual suspects re flaming on soda
              are probably nicer in person b/c they can get that
              stuff out of their system.
              Unless I'm really bored, I just skip the flame threads.
              Usually there is plenty of non-flame stuff on the motd.
           \_ Potato, potato.  They do appear to be correlated.  Perhaps a
              better solution is to write some code.  Imagine a motd viewing
              utility that allows you to mark threads you want to ignore.
              Voila, all the motd love, none of the flame wars.  I've got
              bigger irons in the fire, but I may right this some time.
              -dans
              \_ I am sure kchang has written this already.
                 \_ urlP
        \_ http://wigu.com/overcompensating/2006/03/misspent-leisure.html
2006/3/26-28 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:42443 Activity:nil
3/26    What's the best way to carry a second passenger (100lb) on a regular
        non-tandem bicycle?
        \_ http://www.cyclemorph.com
        \_ Moustache ride
2006/3/26-28 [Recreation/Food] UID:42444 Activity:nil
3/26    dans, can you post links to pictures of your hot 20 year old
        girlfriend?  Also can you keep announcements of wanting to cuddle
        with your girlfriend to the following intervals so I don't read it
        while at work and hurl my protein whey Dannon yogurt intense
        breakfast shake over my cube wall on top of my long suffering
        coworkers:
        MON-FRI:
         9AM - Noon (then I break for lunch.  I don't care if you post
         urls to times for poly ass parties in the SF State dining
         commons while I am at lunch)
         1PM to 6PM5A5A5A5A5A5A (I try to leave by 6PM on the dot)
        WEEKENDS:
         Occasional saturday maintenance windows:
         Sometimes I am called into work on saturdays
         9AM - 4PM.
         \_ I nominate this as the funniest thing on today's motd...no, the
            *only* funny thing on today's motd.
         \_ No.  But this is pretty damned funny. -dans
2006/3/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:42445 Activity:moderate
3/26    http://csua.org/u/fc5
        Remember those whiney, rigid unhappy kids in pre-school?
        They grow up to be whiney, rigid, unhappy Republicans.
         \_ Yeah, "95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists
            have been tracking."  Why do I get the feeling that the results
            would have been different if it were Orange County "social
            scientists" doing the research. - Never whined to a teacher in
            my life.
           have been tracking."  Why do I get the feeling that the
           results would have been different if it were Orange County
           "social scientists" doing the research. - Never whined to a
           teacher in my life.
            \_ Are you suggesting the researcher's political bias would
               affect the outcome of the experiment?  Inconceivable!
        \_ This is old.  Can't you find something new to troll about?
2006/3/26 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:42446 Activity:nil
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