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| 2006/3/26-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:42436 Activity:high |
3/25 dans, just an observation, please don't get mad at me. For a nice
quiet Saturday night, you sure are using a lot of exclamations and
a lot of cuss words. Normally I'd go out to the beach or somewhere
more interesting and pleasant than the motd. However, I have a project
that's due next week so I'm reading the motd. What's your excuse
for using the motd? Just curious.
\_ Heh. I'm not mad at anyone on the motd. I swear frequently in
informal situations, particularly when namecalling is involved.
``English, motherfucker, do you speak it?'' is a quote from Pulp
Fiction. I'm putting the finishing touches on some code I spent
the last month writing, and will put a release announcement on the
motd when it's ready. I read and respond to the motd while waiting
for emacs TRAMP mode to save files since it lags a bit when writing
to soda, which is actually due to a workaround for a FreeBSD bug.
As soon as I finish, I plan to either cuddle at home with my
girlfriend or go out partying with her and other friends. -dans
Fiction. If my language is harsh, it's provoked by people writing
posts that are either disingenuous (i.e. intellectually dishonest)
or outright stupid and naive. As for what I'm doing writing on the
\_ If it's "informal" which I read as "just the motd" then
why do you seem so easily provoked? If you're in a text
only world then when you slap unnecessary curses into your
rants you only come off looking like a ranting child. It
doesn't get any other point across.
\_ "One man's vulgarity is another man's lyric." -jharlan
\_ "One man's vulgarity is another man's lyric."
Who are you to judge? -jharlan
\_ This is your opinion, and you're welcome to it. Frankly,
trying to make a point on the motd is kind of silly.
There are a handful of people like John, jrleek and
myself who are open-minded enough to actually read the
motd and change our opinions based on a well reasoned
argument, and even admit we are wrong once in a while.
\_ emarkp still thinks the Iraq War is good.
\_ Nice and all but "English, motherfucker, do you
speak it?" isn't an argument. If you'd actually
made an argument then you'd have something. You
\_ Yes, the argument was that the pp's english
reading comprehension was poor since s/he
ignored the rather important phrase ``appear to
be'' in my statement. Apparently, foul language
interferes with your reading comprehension.
-dans
ranted like an idiot child. I don't care beyond
\_ Are you suggesting that all rants, that is,
violent or extravagant speech acts are childish
and idiotic? If not, what makes my `rant'
childish and idiotic? Please support your
statements with facts. -dans
\_ You realise I could go through your response
\_ sic
and toss your own "Please support your
statements with facts" line back at you since
you don't but it would be a waste of my time.
I was just trying to help you out but you're
obviously much more brilliant and clever than
me and on par with award winning drama which
I can't compete with. Thank you for sharing
your wit and brilliance with us. I look
forward to more random and off topic cursing
and avoidance of issues that were addressed
which you pretend weren't. All of this is
opinion but I'd bet anything that someone
who goes through life telling people,
\_ You are incorrect sir. Strangely enough,
you continue to waste your time by
responding to me. Funny that. -dans
I was just trying to help you out but
you're obviously much more brilliant and
clever than me and on par with award winning
drama which I can't compete with. Thank you
for sharing your wit and brilliance with us.
I look forward to more random and off topic
cursing and avoidance of issues that were
addressed which you pretend weren't. All of
this is opinion but I'd bet anything that
someone who goes through life telling people,
"English, motherfucker, do you speak it?"
is not going to do as well as someone who
doesn't, all else being equal. Perhaps your
\_ I do just fine for myself, thank you very
much. -dans
award winning brilliance puts you outside
the curve. Will you be providing any free
tickets to your motd followers to attend the
awards ceremony next year?
\_ Is this a sad attempt at humor? Or just a
weak insult? -dans
the bit waste generated but I thought you might
\_ Because bandwidth is a precious unrenewable
commodity. -dans
care how you come across to someone who doesn't
know you but it doesn't hurt me either way what
decisions you make for yourself. I've changed
my mind about numerous things based on what I've
read on the motd but never from anything from
a non-response like, "English, motherfucker, do
you speak it?". I don't even see why you'd bother
posting such a thing. Better to not post at all,
IMO. There are some situations where dropping some
curse words adds value; the motd isn't one of them.
\_ This is your opinion. Please provide facts to
support this. -dans
As an aside, I find it funny to see you switch
back and forth between holier-than-thou and
idiot-child mode, especially when you get into
holier-mode (and attack other random people who
aren't even here) to cover your moments of idiocy.
The opinions here on many topics cover a wide
spectrum and sometimes get heated and we joke about
the motd being a wasteland, but the truth is you're
talking to the top 1% edge of the general population
where "English, motherfucker, do you speak it?"
isn't taken well and adds nothing. Take care.
\_ by you; do you speak for the motd
populace at larges for they have
no voices to speak with? -dans
\_ While PP gives every indication
of being a pretentious blowhard
cock monkey, I think most
people here are getting a bit
tired of half of the motd being
the dans vs. the world show.
At least the ilyas flame wars
were usually about politics
or philosophy, and not just
personal insults and OS crap.
\_ That's Mr. Cock Monkey to
you, pal! -pp
\_ OS crap? Dude, this is the
Computer Science
Undergraduate Association!
I'm sure the Philosophy and
Political Science
Undergraduate Assocations
have motd where you can
argue those topics to your
hearts content. If it
really trips you out, you
can delete threads I post
in, but I think that the
other half of the motd
would be upset at the
nukefest. -dans
nukefest. Also, it may be
that my tendency to sign my
posts biases the
observation that leads to
the dan vs. the world
conclusion. -dans
\_ Well, that and the
content....
\_ As mentioned above, ``English, motherfucker, do
you speak it'' is a quote from Pulp Fiction,
which won an Academy Award for best screenplay.
It's not exactly an obscure reference. And it
supports my preceding sentence where I ask what
the pp on that thread didn't grok about the
phrase ``appear to be''. I posted it because it
was a) likely amusing to anyone who got the
reference and b) hammered my point home.
Question, have you ever read anything by
Christopher Hitchens? What do you think of him?
In particular, have you read ``The Missionary
Postion,'' his rather nasty character
assassination of Mother Teresa? What did you
\_ Why is this a "character assassination"?
will agree with this term if you do not
give it a negative stigma, but if half of
what he claimed about her is true, she did
not deserve to be sainted, and he has a
point. Several good articles have been
written about the nasty sides of her and
similar organizations. Now back to your
original flame war. -John
think of it? I don't mean to suggest my
rhetoric is anywhere near the level of
Hitchens'. My only point is that nastiness and
harsh language do not make an argument childish,
and it's childish to believe that they do. -dans
Most other regular posters that bother to sign their
posts, e.g. tom, ilyas, jblack, are such stubborn,
delusional bastards that they will *never* change there
opinions. Or, rather, in seven plus years of reading
and posting to the motd, I've never seen them change an
opinion or admit to being wrong. If you'll dismiss an
argument as a senseless rant purely because it has
\_ as opposed to ad hominems because somebody
uses a term like AssOS
\_ I don't believe that suggesting someone is
biased for using the term AssOS is an ad
hominem. Please cite an ad hominem I used
to refer to psb with. Otherwise, consider
looking up the definition of ad hominem. I
used the term AssholeOS to refer to FreeBSD,
and, given the typical behavior of the
FreeBSD community members, it's as reasonable
a moniker for the OS as AssOS is for Linux.
Thus, it is not an ad hominem. -dans
profanity in it, then you're a fool. This is the motd,
not Forensics, Speech, and Debate club. -dans
motd on a Saturday night, I'm putting the finishing touches on
some code I spent the last month writing, and will put a release
announcement on the motd when it's ready. I read and respond to
the motd while waiting for emacs TRAMP mode to save files since it
lags a bit when writing to soda, which is actually due to a
workaround for a FreeBSD bug. As soon as I finish, I plan to
either cuddle with my girlfriend or go out partying with her and
other friends. -dans
\_ Awsome. So what are you coding?
\_ Hey, have you figured out a way for TRAMP to warn you that the
file has changed before updating it?
\_ TRAMP appears to do this for me. Does it not do this for
you, or is there some sort of bug? The two things I set in
my .emacs to impact TRAMP behavior are:
(setq-default auto-save-timeout 600)
and I set tramp-chunksize to 150, which I did through emacs
graphical customization interface. I suspect something like:
(setq tramp-chunksize 150) would be what you want.
-dans
\_ TRAMP doesn't seem to warn me if the file has changed,
unlike when I'm editing local files. I usually try to
do a revert-buffer and then add my change, but that
isn't a 100% fool proof sol'n.
\_ Strange, I don't have this problem. Hmm, what host are
you working with? What is your shell? I have it
working on soda and several of my own boxes running
Linux. I switched my shell to bash on soda because I
didn't feel like beating my head against a wall trying
to make TRAMP work with tcsh. Hmm... you're trying to
edit the motd, aren't you? I don't use it for that, so
the check if file has changed issue doesn't come up as
often for me. -dans
\_ My remote host is OS X running the dp emacs-devel.
My soda shell is bash. Yes, I'm trying to edit the
motd and I'm trying to play nice.
\_ Sorry, I don't think I'll be of much help. I'm
running a similar environment, but I edit the
motd locally in vi. What if you wrote a script
to copy the motd, and, when you saved your copy,
it would check if the motd had changed. If no,
overwrite the motd, if yes, give you a diff or
something? -dans
\_ Solved my problem: M-x diff-buffer-with-file
works w/ TRAMP. |
| 2006/3/26-27 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:42437 Activity:nil |
3/25 Help bike experts. Given the same price and everything else, what is
better, the Shimano RevoShift twist shift (Tourney) or the rapid-fire
Doere shifter? I'm used to the "interface" of twist shifter
but the bike shop top me the rapid-fire shifter is more solid.
Need advice. Thanks.
\_ http://www.cyclingforums.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=30 |
| 2006/3/26-27 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:42438 Activity:nil |
3/25 One mans story of torture:
http://csua.org/u/fc3
\_ Last I checked "Olga" was not a man's name. Anyway, what would
you say the line is between torture and interrogation? Is any
form of aggressiveness questioning beyond bounds with prisoners of
war?
\_ The electric shocks probably count as torture.
\_ Probably. What about other things? Where is the line? |
| 2006/3/26-27 [Computer/Theory] UID:42439 Activity:nil |
3/25 National Post on Noam Chomsky:
http://tinyurl.com/rwteu (canada.com/nationalpost)
\_ So he is a smart investor, too. My respect for him grows. |
| 2006/3/26-28 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:42440 Activity:nil |
3/26 Freepers react to Los Angeles immigrants' rights protest
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603132/posts
\_ Earth calling jblack. We're waiting for your anti-immigrant
rant^H^H^H^Hspeech
\_ Looks like an invading army poised for conquest
of the southwest. |
| 2006/3/26 [Uncategorized] UID:42441 Activity:nil |
3/26 dans is on morph |
| 2006/3/26-29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:42442 Activity:nil |
3/26 I'm currently taking an approach to life that includes elimination
of things which are both unecessary and unpleasant. I'm not quite sure
whether rants on the MOTD qualify, but I'm leaning towards yes. In
which case, do they exist only because of immaturity? This is not a
troll, I'm interested in what people think. -jhs
\_ Log off. Go outside. Repeat.
\_ Posting them or reading them? :-) I suspect most of them are
posted from boredom and most reply out of boredom just to keep
it going to give everyone something to do during the day. If
motd rants are that high on your list then either you're spending
way too much time here or I envy the tiny unpleasantness in your
life. IMO, they're mostly harmless.
\_ I have lots of awesome right now -jhs
\_ Agreed, they're mostly harmless. I don't take the motd too
seriously, it's basically verbal jousting for me.
Occasionally it includes useful information. Once in a while
there's a good, i.e. well reasoned, thoughtfully argued,
discussion to be had, but, if the motd is representative, then
most CS folk have poor rhetoric and debate skills. It is a
\- The Calif state high school debate champions for 1985 work
for for Cisco and Tivo. For 1986 champions, one did CS
undergrad at the 'Fraud (but then as with his partner,
went to law school). Half of the best team in 1984 [didnt win
state but won the berkeley tourney] is working for Sun.
Another of the mid-80s power pair has one half who made a
lot of $$$ early at oracle and then went through so-so
dot coms and his parner did cs undergrad at UCB and then
PHD at UIUC in compliers.
dot coms and his parner did cs undergrad at ucb and then
phd at uiuc in compliers.
\_ I don't have stories this impressive, but 1/2 of my
HS debate team (~10 ppl) went to Cal for some eng.
major (mostly EE/CS). Many, including myself, have
since moved on to law school.
Of the last 4 interns I've hired from Cal, all were
HS Varsity debate w/ a tourney win.
I always thought that HS debate was basically some-
thing that many engineers did in HS b/c it was one
of those activities like chess club or computer club
where you could hang out w/ other intelligent ppl
and talk about completely useless stuff that normal,
well adjusted kids couldn't care less about (like the
benefits of running a counterplan).
reliable source for amusement in the form of trolling and
trash-talking. In my family, this was our after-dinner
entertainment. After we had a serious discussion about politics,
ethics, current events, or whatever over dinner, my brothers and
I would play a game of trash-talking top this. Although it's
crass, there is a real art to it and it takes creativity and
intelligence to do it well. If you find it unnecessary and
unpleasant then the motd probably isn't the best place to spend
your spare time. The motd has a tradition of crass trolling and
namecalling that predates both of us by easily a decade. -dans
\_ I've rant'ed on the motd from time to time and I think it was
helpful to have some people to talk to when things were going
badly at work, &c. Its like calling up your brother and blowing
off steam b/c QA can't get their fracking act together and you
have to spend ya weekend at work b/c of their screwups.
\_ Totally agree. And it's cheaper than therapy too!
\_ Sorry, I mean the flame wars more than the rants -jhs
\_ I guess flame wars are unpleasant, but I'm not sure
they are unnecessary. Sometimes its better for people
to work out their idiocy in a safe environment, like
the motd, rather than irl. I've had to work w/ some
real arses over the years; if they talked out of
arse on the motd instead of in the hallways, the
overall work env. would have been better. I'm guessing
that some of the usual suspects re flaming on soda
are probably nicer in person b/c they can get that
stuff out of their system.
Unless I'm really bored, I just skip the flame threads.
Usually there is plenty of non-flame stuff on the motd.
\_ Potato, potato. They do appear to be correlated. Perhaps a
better solution is to write some code. Imagine a motd viewing
utility that allows you to mark threads you want to ignore.
Voila, all the motd love, none of the flame wars. I've got
bigger irons in the fire, but I may right this some time.
-dans
\_ I am sure kchang has written this already.
\_ urlP
\_ http://wigu.com/overcompensating/2006/03/misspent-leisure.html |
| 2006/3/26-28 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:42443 Activity:nil |
3/26 What's the best way to carry a second passenger (100lb) on a regular
non-tandem bicycle?
\_ http://www.cyclemorph.com
\_ Moustache ride |
| 2006/3/26-28 [Recreation/Food] UID:42444 Activity:nil |
3/26 dans, can you post links to pictures of your hot 20 year old
girlfriend? Also can you keep announcements of wanting to cuddle
with your girlfriend to the following intervals so I don't read it
while at work and hurl my protein whey Dannon yogurt intense
breakfast shake over my cube wall on top of my long suffering
coworkers:
MON-FRI:
9AM - Noon (then I break for lunch. I don't care if you post
urls to times for poly ass parties in the SF State dining
commons while I am at lunch)
1PM to 6PM5A5A5A5A5A5A (I try to leave by 6PM on the dot)
WEEKENDS:
Occasional saturday maintenance windows:
Sometimes I am called into work on saturdays
9AM - 4PM.
\_ I nominate this as the funniest thing on today's motd...no, the
*only* funny thing on today's motd.
\_ No. But this is pretty damned funny. -dans |
| 2006/3/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:42445 Activity:moderate |
3/26 http://csua.org/u/fc5 Remember those whiney, rigid unhappy kids in pre-school? They grow up to be whiney, rigid, unhappy Republicans. \_ Yeah, "95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking." Why do I get the feeling that the results would have been different if it were Orange County "social scientists" doing the research. - Never whined to a teacher in my life. have been tracking." Why do I get the feeling that the results would have been different if it were Orange County "social scientists" doing the research. - Never whined to a teacher in my life. \_ Are you suggesting the researcher's political bias would affect the outcome of the experiment? Inconceivable! \_ This is old. Can't you find something new to troll about? |
| 2006/3/26 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:42446 Activity:nil |
3/26 http://www.wehategringos.com/whg/index.php |
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