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| 2006/3/16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:42264 Activity:moderate 66%like:42272 |
3/15 Bush Will Be Judged On The Iraq War:
http://csua.org/u/f9n
\_ you didn't read news didn't you? Mission Accomplished! |
| 2006/3/16-17 [Recreation/Dating] UID:42265 Activity:moderate |
3/15 To the young women dater guy: does this sound like your friend?
http://csua.org/u/f9j (MSN http://Match.com article)
\_ I'm not the young dater guy but I have to agree with
the poster. IMHE young women tend to be more open minded.
\_ more open^H^H^H^Hblow jobs
They are willing to try new things like Ethiopian restaurants or
even McD when convenience is needed. Older women tend to be very
picky with regard to food, cars, and even clothes you wear.
Here is one data point-- a nice young girl I dated for 9 years
got bitcher and bitcher. She complained about my hairstyle
and clothes and how loudly I closed cupboards and why I didn't
put down the toilet seat and other bullshit that had been
there 9 years ago. We used to be happy eating at cheap
restaurants but towards the end she had to pick on every little
thing like this food has too much salt, that food has too much
MSG, you need to get a bigger apartment or buy a house, whatever.
Face it. As women grow older, they expect more and they demand
more. My mother is the same thing. She always wants more and
nothing made her happy. Understandably, my dad left her decades
ago. You guys seriously like older women? Whatever. You take your
old hags and I'll take my stress free young women, and let's
leave it at that.
\_ So, based on a sample set consisting of two women, i.e. this
girl you once dated and your mother, you've concluded that all
women turn into bitches as they age. That's scientific. -dans
\_ I think the guy is a moron, but he's right that women
expect more as they age. That's to be expected and there's
nothing wrong with that. A 16 year old girl is impressed
if you have a car. A 20 year old woman is impressed if you
have a good job. A 50 year old woman has entirely different
expectations about family and retirement and so on. An
18 year old might only care about drinking and getting
laid, but by the time she is 38 years old (if she matures
in a 'normal' way) she expects more from her life and more
from the men she is involved with. Men who continually
seek out young women are predators of sorts, the
exception perhaps being if they want to have children
and are of an age where similarly aged women can't
provide them.
\_ Upshot of the whole discussion:
Whatever floats your boat. -John
\_ I am amazed and sort of depressed at the amount of
\_ I am amazing and sort of depressed at the amount of
pointless nagging guys mostly put up with from their
women [I know women put up with other problems from
guys]. I remember once a friend was driving to LA
with his GF/wife/fiance [dont remember her status at
the time] and we all stopped at Safeway to buy some
snacks for the road and she complained there was a
parking spot 10ft closer to the store. Jesus
Christ, you aren't 80yrs old and it's not like you
are offering to drive half way [and we were going
are offereing to drive half way [and we were going
to see her ex-BF's gallery opening]. Things like
that are small in themselves but I think they are a
bad sign.
\_ I don't know if it's necessarily a bad sign,
neither my wife nor my mother are big naggers.
However, my sister-in-law nags like crazy, and
I don't mean to just her husband. She nags my
wife, me, my mother-in-law, everybody. It's
just her personality.
\_ I think some forms of nagging have the same
underlying cause as people who are habiually
late: the offenders dont value other people's
time. Another friend has a sister-in-law
who ask my friend to say dl and burn DVDs for
them etc ... gee, why dont you pay $3.50 to
the video store. Again, this self-serving
form of naggery is a different phenomena
than say a mother who nags her kids to study,
clean their room etc. |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:42266 Activity:moderate |
3/16 honest question:
People say Bush and his gangs are "Neo-Conservative." Exactly
what do they mean by that? Another question. Fiscal Disipline is
usually one of supposely "conservative" value. But by looking at
records of Reagan, HW Bush, and GW Bush, it is not the case at all!
How does that work?
\_ It's a transparent attempt to make people think of "neo-nazi"
\_ Bullshit.
\_ Politicians are hypocrites and liars. They give the voters what
they want and lie about the consequences.
\_ So astute - teach us more o' wise one.
\_ http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html
\_ thanks. good link. I guess my perception about neo-cons are
also fiscal conservative is completely false. On the other
hand, it still doesn't explain why we support radical,
dictatorship such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia :p
\_ that's an easy one. SA supplies a big chunk of our
oil. A military quasi-dictatorship in Pakistan is
magnitudes better than the pro Western jihad
Islamic fundamentalist groups taking power.
\_ There are pro-West jihad Islamic fundamentalists?
\_ http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html
\_ I actually met a guy like that. He was pretty weird.
\_ What happened to install democracy world wide?
\_ basically neocons believe in the preemptive strike
\_ so are democrats who believe in preemptive strike also neocons?
\_ Why can't they take this preemptive attitude and clean
up city like Oakland? Arrest and execute those known
fuckers and the city will be a much safer place.
\_ weak weak weak troll. your troll score: F!
\_ gimme a modern dem who favors preemptive and i'll tell you
how neocon they are
\_ lieberman is a strong supporter of GWB's Iraq policy and
the principles behind it.
\_ ob he's a closet republican
\_ so anyone in favor of any GWB policy is really a
republican despite having been in the D party since
probably before you were born.... he's either with
us or against us!
\_ Do you know people are talking about a McCain-
Lieberman ticket?
\_ Do any of these people include John McCain or
Joe Lieberman? I don't think I've seen either
one ever indicate that he was ready to
switch parties. I find that scenario to be
implausible.
\_ and dubya's lips continue to look for lieberman
for smooching
\_ I am still waiting for a preemptive strike against N.Korea...
or we actually get scared for their preemptive strike doctrine?
http://tinyurl.com/gj957
\_ I'd start with Berkeley.
\_ NK has 10,000 artillery pieces within range of SK's capitol.
Even if we could fly in and destroy all the nuke facilities
100% the retaliation strike is going to suck big time. What
I find interesting is polls in SK that show young people from
the post Korean War era think the US should piss off and that
NK is a victim while the older folks are dreadfully afraid of
NK and want the US to stick around and even increase our
strength in SK.
\_ I see those crazy 'NK is misunderstood paradise
bullied by evil US' fuckers at protests in the bay area.
\_ I remember when I was still at Berkeley in the early 90s,
when 5 korean pastors came to the Bay Area to attend a
conference, and I took them on a trip to Yosemite.
The pastors mentioned to me they were very surprised
that Americans they met here were such nice people.
They say the Americans in SK were really arrogant.
\_ Most Americans in SK are either military or english
teachers. The english teachers are often people
with no valuable skills except their ability to
speak their native language. Not only that, but
Korea, for one reason or another, generally pulls
in the dregs of english teachers. So, yeah, most
of the Americans I met in SK were jerks. -jrleek
\_ jrleek, you are just JEALOUS because those
"no valuable skills people who speaks their
native language" get laid easily.
\_ I know this is supposed to be a joke, but it
made me curious. Do you think I'm Korean?
-jrleek
\_ I'm going to Korea to teach conversational English
and I have no special training. What's the
fastest way to learn Korean? Can you recommend
books, audio training kits, etc.?
\_ Korean is really freakin' hard, but if you
send me an email, I'll help however I can. I
do have some suggestions for books, I didn't
really use audio kits, but I'm not even sure
how you'd get my favorite. -jrleek
\_ we only go after ez ones, like Iraq ... we thought it was ez |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:42267 Activity:nil |
3/16 Eurotrash! http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1760580.html -John |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:42268 Activity:nil |
3/16 First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you. Then you win. -M. Ghandi
http://csua.org/u/f9q (Article by http://Talkingpoints.com editor)
(NYT article on Bush impeachment)
\_ Why impeachment is a bad idea:
http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/JoshMarshall/031606.html
http://tinyurl.com/oahfm (hillnews.com)
\_ Politics is local. The number of incumbents who lose elections each
term is trivial. Ghandi had a much better chance with the British
than the D do of retaking anything. His was a moral issue and he
was on the side of right against a people who think of themselves
in those terms. Ds and Rs are just politicians. There is no great
moral conflict. The math is the math. Don't hold your breath.
\_ The War on Iraq is not a moral conflict? Don't kid yourself.
\_ "Politics is local". Iraq is far far far away.
\_ In a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, 61 percent said the Iraq
war would be a very important or the most important issue
in deciding their vote for Congress.
\_ 'With "impeachment on the horizon," he wrote, "maybe, just maybe,
conservatives would not stay at home after all."'
Uh, how does that jibe with 36% approval rating?
\_ A majority of Americans, 56 percent, believe Bush is "out of
touch," the poll found. When asked for a one-word description of
Bush, the most frequent response was "incompetent," followed by
"good," "idiot" and "liar." In February 2005, the most frequent
reply was "honest."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060316/pl_nm/bush_politics_dc |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Uncategorized] UID:42269 Activity:nil |
3/16 "Video: Animation shows how Ferrari split"
link:www.yahoo.com/s/280417 |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:42270 Activity:high |
3/16 Can we seed little CSUAs in other universities? Instead of friendly
Irish bartenders, they will need their own toms.
http://www.slate.com/id/2137893
\_ It's normal enough to have sister clubs at different schools.
The problem with the CSUA is that it's basically an obsolete
organization type. No one needs a club to get access to
computing resources anymore.
\_ ... but everyone needs a world-writable MOTD.
\_ BTW, the charter of the CSUA is not about access to computing
resources (that's what the UCF was and the OCF is for). The
CSUA is a social organization for people who care about CS.
\_ seems like people care more about I.T. than real CS here.
Indeed, the CSUA existed for many years without its own
computer(s).
\_ But the glory days of the CSUA were when computing resources
were scarce and real oses scarcer.
\_ Correlation, but hardly causation. You could just as well
say that the glory days of the CSUA were when CS was an
avocation instead of a vocation. And even that would be
wrong, since the CSUA was irrelevant and on the verge of
complete disappearance in 1986.
\_ No, he's sort of right in that it provided a pretty
nifty place to take a break from the labs. -John
\_ Computing resources were still quite scarce in 1986.
\_ The CSUA did not get its own computer till 1988,
I think. The scarcity of computing resources in
1986 did not mean it was the glory days of the
organization.
It's only in the last five to ten years that every new
UCB student started to bring a new computer, and only
the last five that it's been a laptop. It's not that
the CSUA is obsolete, I think that there are some key
ideals and core values that will never be obsolete. I
think the organization needs to reinvent itself for a
new millenium when hardware is cheap, fast, and
abundant while still maintaining those ideals and core
values. -dans
P.S. The CSUA is the second oldest active ASUC student
group on campus. The only active group that predates
us is CHAOS, the Cal Hiking and Outdoors Society.
\_ Hmm, I'd say closer to 10-15 for computers, though
I'd agree with the last 5 for laptops (probably even
less)...though I suspect I've dated myself with this
post.... -mice
\_ Doesn't ANY post to the motd kinda date the
poster?
\_ heh, very funny.
\_ It's not like anyone else would. -John
\_ Heh, I was wondering if someone would hook
into that. Punk. :P -mice
\_ "Straight line"... :-) -John
\_ Elaine has her own ASUC student group? Wow!
\_ ?
\- there is more to that then you think. --psb
\_ Please cite the relevant portions of the CSUA charter that
state it is a social organization. -dans
\_ What is this charter everyone keeps talking about?
BTW, from the constitution:
to provide a forum for the personal interaction of
persons involved in the computer science
\_ The CSUA constitution was written years after the
organization formed, and written because the ASUC
insisted that we have one. That's why our governing
body is called the politburo, it was a way of thumbing
our noses at the ASUC. Presumably, we had a charter
before then. To quote the complete text from the
constitution:
The purposes of this organization are: to represent the
undergraduate computer science student body in dealings
with the University of California at Berkeley, its
representatives, and any other appropriate organization;
to provide a forum for the personal interaction of
persons involved in the computer sciences; to promote
knowledge of and interest in the computer sciences; and
to raise funds to accomplish these goals.
So, yes, we're a social organization, but this is by no
means our only purpose. Providing access to computing
resources falls under promoting knowledge of and
interest in CS, as well as providing a forum for social
interaction. -dans
\_ You quote a very selective history. For at least
a decade, the mantra at meetings was "The CSUA is
_PRIMARILY_ a social organization. We have some
interesting resources for you to play around with,
but we're not here to hold your hand computer-wise"
\_ Please show me documentation of this. It
conflicts with my recollection, which was that we
have interesting resources to play with, but
we're not here to hold your hand computer-wise
because we're curmudgeonly bastards who think you
should figure shit out for yourself. Socializing
had nothing to do with it. I should also note
that the ``we're not here to hold your hand''
attitude is decidedly anti-social. -dans
\_ It's really not even worth discussing this
with you. You've declared yourself arbiter
of the realm. I'm with the majority here.
You've proven yourself obnoxious.
\_ Majority? I must have missed the vote.
I'm sorry if you find my requests for
actual documentation obnoxious, but I'm
genuinely interested in the historical
record of the CSUA and like collection more
data points. -dans
\_ grep -ir social /csua/www/htdocs/Minutes
\_ How about seeding little sodans in other universities instead?
\_ I volunteer to seed undergraduates!
\_ UCLA and UCD both had CSUA's when I was an ug. I wonder if they
are still around? UCLA had a linux club a few years back that
strongly reminded me of the CSUA, but they had no world writable
motd.
\_ My sister is attending Santa Cruz, and was thinking of starting
a CSUA like organization. They have a club for black
engineers, hispaic engineers, women engineers, and IEEE. I
told her she should probably just join the IEEE if she wanted a
club that didn't come with a designation.
club that didn't come with a designation. -jrleek
\_ Who are you? Who is your sister? My girlfriend is attending
Santa Cruz. -dans
\_ It's me, jrleek. My sister is in CS, this is her first
year. -jrleek
\_ Neat. Ask her if she wants to meet my gf, Belen. She's
in her second year, probably majoring in Music, but
flirting with a CS minor. -dans
\_ Are you trying to set up POLYAMORY?
\_ Are you a MORON? -dans
\_ This name and location has been noted. --unstable motd
stalker
\_ What location? I stated the institution she attends
not her location. -tricky dans
\_ School + Music + unusual name... not too hard eh?
Granted, I'm a very lazy stalker. But there may
be less lazy ones. --ums
\_ *probably* majoring in Music. You'd have a
much easier time stalking her through myspace.
-dans |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Health/Women, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Industry/Jobs] UID:42271 Activity:nil |
3/16 Is this Vivagel stuff available for purchase in Australia?
http://tinyurl.com/n77h2 |
| 2006/3/16-17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:42272 Activity:nil 66%like:42264 |
3/15 Bush Will Be Judged On The Iraq War:
http://csua.org/u/f9n (Yahoo News, opinion piece from AFP)
\_ you didn't read news didn't you? Mission Accomplished! |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Recreation/Humor, Politics/Domestic] UID:42273 Activity:low |
3/16 Our great leader getting ready to RIDE BIKE
http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/187/1525/320/belly4.jpg
\_ As an American, I was pretty dissapointed with my two choices in the
2004 election...but as a cyclist, I was damn happy with both
choices.
\_ I don't get it.
\_ Is it the pink socks? Is it the balding guy checking his gut
behind him? It just doesn't scream "presidential".
\_ That's your it? He doesn't look "presidential" when he's
exercising? Heaven forbid! (Honestly, I'd be pretty
happy if he ever looked presidential.)
\_ It's humour, not some slashing criticism... chill. if
you don't find it funny, watch some dennis miller...
It's a lot funnier than Ann Coulter's "jokes" about
killing supreme court justices.
\_ yeah but short skirts and long legs... mmmm.
\_ If the skirts are short enough, you might be able
to catch a glimpse of her dick.
\_ I loved the thread about how that was ok because
"Democrats are always threathening to kill the president"
"Democrats are always threathening to kill the
president"
(no examples given)
\_ The guy behind him is putting on a chest strap transmitter
for a heart rate monitor, not "checking his gut".
\_ Again, seriously, it's simply amusing. Overanalyizing is
stupid. |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Computer/HW/Drives, Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:42274 Activity:high |
3/16 Cal prank on USC basketball player
http://csua.org/u/f9y
\_ But wasn't that game in Berkeley? It says they went to
Westwood after the game.
\_ sure, because they're from LA and travel back the same night
\_ I think this is poor taste and no class. I am embarassed for
the "Rally Committee".
\_ You should be embarassed by the very existence of a Rally
Committee. When childish wargames take precedence over academics
and research, this is the expected result.
\_ The player, as well his father, eventually had a good laugh
over it.
\_ And you can be sure that this player learned a good
life lesson about being in the limelight.
\_ What exactly are your standards for taste and class? Stuffy
rooms decorated like the set of masterpiece theatre and high
grade scotch served in a brandy snifter? I think it's clever,
crafty, and brilliant. -dans
\_ I think he intended the conversation to be private. It's
like making public the personal emails you have with someone.
His phone number is also made public. Would you like your
phone number to be published on the internet?
It's a breach of etiquette at the very least. I am not
saying he was smart, but for a Cal Rally Committee to
endorse and follow through with the plan is poor taste.
\_ My phone number *is* published on the internet. While it
would rub me the wrong way to have my private email
published, I appreciate a good practical joke, even if I'm
the butt, so I'd let it slide. Sometimes taste must
succumb to a higher calling, namely, humor. -dans
\_ My phone number *is* published on the internet. On one
hand, yeah having someone publish my private email on the
net would rub me a little the wrong way. On the other
hand, I appreciate a good practical joke, even if I'm the
butt of it. I think that sometimes poor taste is
justified in the name of higher callings, like humor. -dans
\_ If that's the case, it doesn't apply here, unless
you have a really low bar for "clever, crafty, and
brilliant". |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Recreation/Food, Finance/Shopping] UID:42275 Activity:high |
3/16 Do you tip in buffet restaurants? Aside from cabs and restaurants,
where else do you tip?
\_ Garbagemen, if they haul something unusual away. Also valets
and bellhops/skycaps, obviously. Pizza delivery guys. Bartenders.
\_ Garbagemen, if they haul something unusual away, valets,
bellhops/skycaps, pizza delivery guys, bartenders, and strippers.
\_ 5% in a buffet, if I feel generous.
\_ My gf's family runs a restaurant and this is what she has to say.
Some customers pay a lot and some don't. Those that pay more get
special attention and get their food and drinks served faster and
those that don't, well, her dad spits on their food. So, pay your
fucking 20% tip if you want a clean meal. PS, I'm only joking.
Seriously, she say they simply don't have the time or energy
to keep track who pays how much tip and by law they have to treat
EVERYONE with the same respect. She rarely remembers who pays
more or less tip, but the more the better of course. In another
word, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. If you have the money and you have
to ask, just fucking pay 20-30% and forget about it, and if you
are tight on budget, don't pay. No one's gonna give you special
treatment for overpaying or hunt you down and call you a cheap ass
for underpaying tips. Shit. You're a fucking dumb ass.
\_ yer gf's family runs a buffet restaurant?
\_ yer gf's family runs a buffet or non-buffet restaurant?
\_ When you go in to a restaurant and spend $500 you definitely
get treated better than if you had spent $50. Part of the
reason is that the servers know that they will probably
(unless you're a bastard) get a much bigger tip in absolute
terms, even if not in percentage terms. If you are a regular
or if you truly appreciated the service, it makes sense to
tip more as a percentage. My sister has been a GM at many
fine restaurants (and was a server when in college) and you
can bet that she remembers specific instances when someone
was a cheap bastard or when someone was very generous.
Sometimes she even had the same person as a client again and
you bet it affected her attitude. However, this is more a case
of getting stiffed after, say, a $1000 meal (or in one case a
$10000 wedding party) rather than recalling if some schmoe tipped
15% or 20% after his once per year birthday dinner where he
spends $50. --dim
\_ Let's talk about the legality of tip, and put aside, for now
issues related to ethics, common courtesy, manner, conventions.
By law, how much must you tip?
By law, can the provider give differential treatments based on
how much tip you gave them in the past?
Can you go to jail for not paying tips?
Are you a law abiding citizen even if you never tipped?
\_ $0, but I've never heard of a law about differential treatment
based on tips, as long as you don't spit in their food, give
slow service based on race, or things like that.
\_ I don't think tips are expected there since you're supposed to
service yourself there. I would expect that tips are appropriate
where you can identify a specific indiviual who provided you a
service and who isn't being paid directly by you. Taxi-cab driver,
pizza delivery boy, and hairdesser are examples.
\_ What if the hairdresser owns its own business, and you do pay it
directly?
\_ I have tipped a copy store employee who opened up the store for me
a few minutes after closing to help me get fliers copied. I think
you should tip any exceptional service, and shouldn't feel
obligated to tip if you feel the service was bad. Everyone has to
be paid minimum wage, if you don't feel the service was good you
absolutely shouldn't tip. If the manager gets angry at you or
or something for not tipping, tell him why you didn't. -mrauser
\_ Servers do not have to be paid minimum wage, because it is
expected that they will earn tips :
http://www.opm.gov/oca/wage/minwage.asp
\_ If for some reason they don't make enough in tips to cover
min wage they have to get compensated up to minuimum wage.
However if a server can't make minimum wage on tips they
aren't going to last long.
\_ How many of these threads do we need to have? If you have any
social sense/grace at all, these questions are unnecessary.
\_ I think these are useful. What if you haven't been tipping
when it is the custom?
\_ buffet? absolutely not. what prompt service did I insure? this
whole tipping thing has gotten out of hand.
\_ Do you tip for a haircut? I don't think that's for "prompt
service". I hate that actually but I feel obligated.
\_ I tip for haircuts.
\_ Yes because I don't want my hair butchered the next time I
go back. Will they ruin the buffet when they see me coming
in the next time? I don't tip at retail clothing stores or
at the post office or the water company either.
\_ Tipping rules are based on how people are paid, not on
whether or not it will ensure better service. http://tipping.org
is the closest thing to a definitive reference that I've
found. -tom
\_ http://tipping.org? I haven't been there. Is that one of the
sites inhabited by the waiters who say you should tip
15% even if they spit in your food and 25% or higher if
they bother to refill your water glass?
\_ No. But I see you have your mind made up already,
based on nothing other than your own cheapness. -tom
\_ You see what you want to see. I asked a question.
Thanks for answering it. Bite me on the rest.
\_ I've seen those sites too. I'm not cheap, but
I don't think "15% as a BARE MINIMUM" is a policy
I'm inclined to follow.
\_ Then, yes, you are cheap. Waitstaff salaries
are set based on a presumption of a 15% tip.
(In the U.S.). Spending less than that is
cheap and a breach of etiquette, no matter
what the service was like. -tom
\_ I'm with tom up to a point. It's also
accepted that if the service was crap, 10%
is reasonable. That's what I do. I assume
the person is just having a bad day, even
though I could be totally wrong.
\_ And bad/rude service isn't a breach of
etiquette?
\_ Etiquette doesn't allow you to
retaliate for breaches of etiquette. -tom
retaliate for breaches of etiquette.
Or rather, there is an etiquette to the
ways you can retaliate. -tom
\_ I'm also with Tom up to the point of "no
matter what the service was like"--if a
waiter gives you bad service, do not tip.
I've been absolutely flabbergasted at some
of the shit waiters expect people to put up
with. -John
\_ Thanks for answering my question. You can bite me
on your bullshit opinion. You know nothing.
\_ Hair butchered? think about that for a second. if they
butcher your hair you won't go back. that is their
\_ yes but I still have to wear it for 2+ weeks and
people are stupid like that.
\_ Well, at worst you could turn it into a buzz.
And wear a hat.
\_ A good hair salon can fix that, usually. -John
incentive and that's what it should be. Why doesn't
the post office let your mail get butchered unless
you tip well? It kind of makes sense for services where
\_ who would I tip?
\_ All of 'em! Leave tips in your mailbox for the
mailman, or else the mail is mysteriously
in bad shape. Tip the guy at the counter, or
else he might just forget about your mail
for a few days, or take forever to do what
you want. I dunno.
\_ Missing the point.
\_ the mailman? the guy at the counter?
\_ you think if I tip the mm I'll get my
packages delivered faster? does he not
earn enough? a long time ago in a place far
far away when the mailman went door to door
and most people knew theirs by name my parents
gave them christmas gifts and such but I've
got a new one every day, they drive by in a
jeep and all they deliver is junk mail
anyway. :)
\_ Heh. well, according to the hair-butchering
theory, maybe the mailman should be losing
and/or damaging and/or stealing yer mail...
actually that reminds me, last year I had
a package I absolutely needed the same day,
but missed the mailman, so I drove around
the neighborhood and eventually found the
guy. It was the first time I'd talked to
him ever, but he knew our house and
we had a nice little chat. He was a little
odd, but he's a postal employee so that was
to be expected. Nice guy. I don't see why
they shouldn't be getting stuff while
others do. Then again my current mailman
always delivers the previous tenant's mail
even though I have a note there and always
mark it to send back. K I'll stop rambling.
\_ They shouldn't be getting tips
(customarily) because their wages
are not based on the presumption that
they get tips. You can't use logic
to figure it out; you can only learn
the etiquette rules. -tom
you probably never see the person again, like when you
are travelling or in the city and getting service from
various people for whom the anticipated tip is a good
incentive. But for my regular haircut it feels stupid.
Still do it of course.
\_ Whores!
\_ do you tip the cable guy when they install your broadband cable
service?
\_ I did for my satellite installer because the guy went way
out of his way, giving me his personal cell # and coming
back later that day to make up for the head office fucking
up horribly. That wasn't about customary etiquette, that
was just me saying "Thanks for not making me wait another
week for them to reschedule you." -bz
\_ I don't tip at places where I have to go to a counter to get my
food or where I have to bus my own table.
\_ what if they serve you drinks and clean your table after you
leave?
\_ If they serve drinks, I tip as I'm served (usually $1 per
drink).
\_ I used to tip at Souplantation and then I realized this was
becoming weird. Then the price increased by a couple bucks.
After googling a bit, I am going to go back to tipping $1-2, but
the Asian folks I'm usually with never tip.
the Asian grad students I'm usually with never tip.
\_ "give what you can, without hurtin' yo'self" - old Telegraph
beggar by Wells Fargo teller on Bancroft
\_ Oh my God! It's been 10 years since I saw that guy.
Last time I was in Berkeley I walked by that teller
and thought of him, but he wasn't there. My friends and
I still mention this guy from time to time. Hilarious
to find him show up in MOTD! Thanks MOTD! BTW, I think
it was: "Whatever you can spare without hurtin' yo'self."
\_ I don't remember him. I remember "Pat" who smelled
like piss and didn't say anything (and patted his head
all day), that Starr fellow, the bucket-drumming guy,
the little groups of street punks with, for example,
mini suitcase locks in their nose, and the 3-card-monte
guy who was an asshole and could get hostile. I think
there was another black semi-hostile beggar/demander.
\_ Do you remember RAR?
\_ I believe that's "RAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!". |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:42276 Activity:nil |
3/16 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060316/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_air_assault We're launching major assaults and killing all the insurgents! We're winning the war on terror! Yee haw!!! -neo con troll \_ http://www.blackanthem.com/World/military_2006031411.html \_ "The Arab genious for failure could still spoil everything..." This sounds like "White man's Burden" again! |
| 2006/3/16-18 [Computer/HW/Memory] UID:42277 Activity:nil |
3/16 Mr. Phelps, this thumbdrive will self-destruct in 5 seconds:
http://tinyurl.com/pqkd4 (everythingusb.com) |
| 2006/3/16-17 [Uncategorized] UID:42278 Activity:nil |
3/16 Do you tip your girlfriend for cooking up a great meal? How about
when she gives you a great blow job? The rationale is that if I
tip now, she'll give me the same quality of blow job as before.
Aside from blow jobs, what else should you tip? |
| 2006/3/16-17 [Recreation/Travel, Recreation/Media] UID:42279 Activity:high |
3/16 I have an expensive hobby. I have a few providers I found through
my friend's escort connections. There are a few providers and
AMPs I go to frequently and I really enjoy some of them. Anyways,
after they provide full services, how much should I tip them? For
some providers, even if I don't tip I still get great services
from them.
\_ Err, what is your hobby, visiting prostitutes?
\_ I think that's it. I'm guessing AMP = Asian Massage Parlor. |
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