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| 2006/2/22-27 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:41947 Activity:moderate |
2/22 What's the difference between Cabernet, Merlot, Zinfandel, Pinot
Noir, Syrah, Chardonnay, Sauvignon Blanc, Riesling, and Semillon?
\_ Basic answer is that they are all varietals of the same species
of grape: vitis vinifera. Wines are sometimes made from other
species as well, for instance vitis aestivalis (Norton grape),
but are generally not well-regarded. Vitis vinifera has its
origins in Europe and was brought to the New World because most
New World grapes make bad wine.
\- er do you know they are the mostly the names of grapes varieties
or are you asking more than that. usa: wine named after main grape.
france: wine named after place it comes from. the usa system is a
lot more friendly. if you want a user friendly book for just
basic basics [i.e. to prepare you to order non-french wines]
you get look at say the DUMMY WINE BOOK. to start out you can
learn what is red and what is white and the rough mapping
from grape -> french region [e.g. cab -> bordeaux, syrah -> rhone,
pinot noir -> burgandy etc]. cab: expensive. merlot: some ok.
zin: ass, pinot noir: good, pinot gris: good. chardonnay:
\_ I'm quite fond of the Ravenswood Zinfandel, though there does
seem to be a mediocre vintage every few years. It's fairly
cheap to, usually $6-$10 at Trader Joe's, maybe $8-$15 at
Safeway or Andronico's. Also, I'd highly recommend visiting
the North Berkeley wine shop. They always do well by me. -dans
cheap are ass, same with chablis go with sancerre or PG instead
if not $$$. i would not invest more than 30 min learning about
wine. beyond the basics all you need to know is a good wine store
[kermit lynch in berkeley]. if you have a more specific question,
why dont you ask it, like "what is a good $15 red that is easy
to find?".
to find?" [safeway, rodney strong].
\_ One thing to consider is that different regions handle different
types of wines better than others. I'd recommend learning a
little bit about what grape types usually have what qualities,
but only as a general guideline, and what sort of provenance is
more suited for what types. Mr. Winerjee is right about just
bothering with the basics; don't let anyone tell you "rules", just
try things out. The best is if people can point out various good
and bad aspects of certain wine types (such as how to look for
complexity, and why and when things like color and age matter), but
I usually steer clear of anyone who claims to be an expert. With
time you'll start appreciating differences and qualities more.
One last thing--within a certain price band (varies by country)
there's usually some correlation between quality and price, but
once again, only as a very rough & approximate guide. Always try
new stuff and don't be afraid to ask, even if a crappy sommelier
does b.s. you at some point--you'll spot this with time. Always
remember, it's just a drink, you have to like it. -John
\- Here is the 30 second list of grapes -> taste mapping:
*cab: usually fair amount of tannin unless expensive
strives for full body and complex taste.
the king of red wines.
\_ Tannin has more to do with age. Some of the
best are extremely tannic, but the tannins
mellow with age.
*merlot: fruitier and lighters than cab
*pinot noir: less ambitious than cab but less tannin so
more likely to be good for cheep
\_ More likely than *what* to be good for cheap?
Cab, maybe. Any other wine, probably not.
\_ Most likely to be non-repugnant for cheap. Least
likely to be good for cheap.
\_ Pinot is less likely to be good for cheap.
*syrah/shiraz: i have nothing to say
\_ Popular Rhone varietal along with grenache
and mourvedre. Makes outstanding wine.
geweurtz,*riesling: sweet
sancerre/*pinot gris: watery ... i dont mean that in a bad way.
esp since i like spicy food
*zin: spicy. i dont like zins. doesnt go well with the food i
like. yes i have had some good zins.
\_ This is the typical wine for Italian food.
\- I prefer THE POWER OF BAROLO but that
is beyond the price of this thread.
The good ones are better alone or with
cheese than with food.
\_ Also goes well with grilled meats and BBQ.
There are a lot of bad ones out there though..
*chardonnay: good ones are crispy and dryish but cheep ones
i think are not to my taste. i'd rather drink the
even cheeper pinot gris.
the king of white wines.
I would try a $12-$20 bottle of each of the 7 *ed wines
and that should give you a representative sense of each.
I wouldnt worry about the varieties until you decide how
serious you want to get about wine (time and money).
n.b. i would rather drink fruit juice than wine but i feel
obligated to order when i go to restaurants with my friends.
and i suppose it's good to be able to bring something
reasonable to a dinner party. BTW, i think most wines can
be described with this vocabulary: full/med/no body, yes/no
tanin, sweet or not sweet, high/med/low fruity, spicy aka
is it a zin, dry or wet. most of the people using words like
nutty, buttery, raspberry, guava, choclate, leather etc
have their head -> ass. you should learn about cheej not wine.
\_ I had a Toad Hollow pinot the other day. I couldn't place
the nose, but my roommate did. Rotten Oranges. It's not all
bullshit.
\_ If you're feeling cheap, Trader Joe's has $3-$7 bottles of
most of the above types. When you're ready to try quality,
visit Vino in Rockridge or on Piedmont and plan to spend
$12 to $20 for decent examples. --erikred
\- i've had decent table wine in france for $4-5 but here
i think bottles in that range just taste sort of
generic (or bad).
\_ Generally speaking, you're playing with fire in the
$4-$5 a bottle range of wine, but you do get lucky from
time to time. Nonetheless, what you just said flys
completely in the face of conventional wisdom and
actual events. French table wine is shit. It's so bad
that the French prefer cheap Californian wine to it.
This happened on such a large scale that the French
government had to impose massive import duties on cheap
California wine so French table winemakers wouldn't go
out of business. -dans
\_ Were you ever really into comic books? Did you ever have
three hour debates about the merits of various minor
characters in the X-men universe? Wine "people" are like
that, only they're adults and frequently drunk.
\_ But you know what's funny? Every discussion on the motd
having to do with wine ends up as a flame war about wine
dorks, and yet if someone had instead posted a highly
technical question about an X-man, it would be seriously
debated for three screens with no one pointing out how
dorky it is.
\_ You forgot one other distingiushing characteristic. As
comic dorks age, they realize that a better use of their
comic collection is to keep it in good condition and sell
it, ending up with a net profit. Wine dorks on the other
hand, drink up their stupid and expensive hobby. Which
is of course the point.
\_ Lots of wine people collect more wine than they
drink. However, drinking it is a lot more fun
than selling comics. Collecting comics will, for
instance, probably not get you laid. Collecting
wine probably will.
\_ I dispute that. And I will further state that
people who will fuck you because of your comics
collection are far better lays than people who will
fuck you because of your wine collection. -dans
\_ Not 'because' of the collection, but because
you shared it. I wouldn't touch any chick
that was into comics, BTW. Yuck.
\_ The notion that one might have a collection of
*anything* he/she was really into and not
share it with an SO is just bizarre. And your
idea that `chicks' who are into comics are
yucky is silly and juvenile. I'm going to
make an equally ridiculous logical leap and
guess that you won't touch women who have
tatoos or dyed hair or who perform what, to
you, must seem like bizarre deviant sex acts
such as oral and anal sex. I hope you enjoy
your boring, missionary sex, with your boring,
missionary chix. -dans
\_ I think you miss the entire point,
which is that you tend to have a lot
more fun with women after you've shared
2 bottles of wine with them than after you
read Sandman #1 together - in general.
BTW, tattoos are nasty on women. You are
right that I don't touch that. More for
you, I guess.
\_ Wow. So getting drunk and having sex
can be fun. I'll be damned. You can
do that with a bottle of Old Grandad
as well.
\_ Not if the woman has any class
or taste you can't.
\_ Well, I would probably hate the
women you spend time with just
as much as you would hate those
I spend time with. Yes, it's
a class thing. I just think
people like you are shit, and
obviously it's mutual. So fuck
you.
\_ You need some anger management
classes. I don't hate you
at all.
\_ Don't be stupid. Breaking this down into
wine/comics is a useless generalization.
I suspect dans' point is more along the
lines of "conservative snob != fun".
But naturally women that read comics
never ever drink.
\_ I went to an Exploratorium presentation on The Science of
Wine. It was funny to watch all of these very nicely
attired and sophisticated people degenerate into lushes.
\_ "Wine people" are as bad as restaurant groupies. The
word you are looking for is "pretentious". And for once,
amazingly, I agree with psb about "head->ass". I'd
even go so far as to say that "x goes well with y" is no
more than a general guide; if you're ever in a restaurant
where the sommelier looks at you funny for ordering, say,
red with fish (or for any reason), leave. -John
\- good sommaliers have come up with some neat pairings
and recommendations. but that's true of more than just
wine and food ... like pears go well with some cheejes,
chocolate and orange is a a classic combination,
chocolate and thyme is not. i can both think over
cooking a good steak is a waste and you have poor
taste or order such well done, yet support your right
"have it your way".
\_ The short chain organic molecules in wine do combine over
time to create the esters and phenols that create the
distrinctive smells of different foods. It is not just
your imagination if you smell leather or chocolate in
a wine, especially a well aged one, the exact same chemicals
that help give something its distinctive odor might be in
your wine. Don't assume that everyone has their head -> ass
time to create the esters, phenols and aldehydes that create
time to create the esters, phenols & aldehydes that create
the smells of different foods. It is not just your
time to create the esters, phenols and aldehydes that
create the smells of different foods. It is not just your
imagination if you smell leather or chocolate in a wine,
especially a well aged one, the exact same chemicals that
help give something its distinctive odor might be in your
wine. Don't assume that someone has their head -> ass
just because you cannot smell them. -ausman
\_ Dogs have much larger sections of their brains devoted to
smell than humans. It would be amusing to train a dog
to distinguish all these subtle wine distinctions.
\_ Dogs have much larger sections of their brains devoted
to smell than humans. It would be amusing to train a
dog to distinguish all these subtle wine distinctions.
to smell than humans. It would be amusing to train a dog
to distinguish all these subtle wine distinctions.
I think it would not be too hard to modify the drug dog
training for this purpose.
\_ Everyone recognizes different smells in wine, you are
absolutely correct. The "head->ass" part comes from
my subjective observation that people who pontificate
about how marvelous wine xyz is because it smells like
the orgasmic fart of the black-striped Angolan bog
fungus or whatever tend to be pompous morons. "Wine
people". -John
\- jim ausman: there is a difference between
"ok i can see why you say this has a hint of
raspberry" after tasting something and taking
two of those head->ass adjective vectors and
using them as a basis to pick a wine. i'm saying
those little cards in stores that talk about how
one wine has a hint of nutmeg and chocolate and
cherry and other has a soupcon of lemon zest
crossed with clover honey is not useful. more
useful would be a 10 word vocabular that actually
mean something. maybe a good analogy is to
crayola. i understand you need to go beyond
RGB and "blue green" to describe some colors.
and you do get a sense of what color is meant
by peach or salmon or olive green ... but do you
have any fucking clue what color "raw umber" is?
ok tnx. (raw umber is the color of "dirt").
\_ There is no "raw umber" crayon; it was
"burnt umber," and it's been discontinued.
I agree that the cards in wine stores aren't
useful to someone who isn't a wine snob, but
certain wine snobs can quite accurately
determine a specific wine in blind taste
tests, so there's clearly something there. -tom
\- are you such an authority on crayons you
you didnt even bother to google this?
BTW, wine snobbery is about attitude, not
resolving power.
\_ tom -> smacked |
| 2006/2/22-23 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:41948 Activity:moderate |
2/22 How do you like to prepare your steak? I'll start:
\_ marinate it in cheap cabernet for a whole week.
tender and tasty. Yummmm
\_ Seasoned with Crazy Salt, paprika, garlic powder, grilled, then
liberally doused with butter and lemon. Scrumptious.
\_ Coarse Sea Salt, Coarse Black Pepper, oil the grill, grill to
medium rare. Keep it simple.
\_ I just had an awesome filet done in balsamic vinegar. Yum. -John
\_ how long do you guys marinate it for? I had this awsome
steak that melted in the mouth one time. The waitress said
they age their steak in wine barrels for a few months.
I wonder what kind of marinate they used.
\_ Perhaps you misheard or she misspoke. If you 'aged' steak in
a marinade for months you would have only putrid sludge.
I'm thinking she might have meant 'dry aged' meat. Getting
back to your original question: Depends on size. Steaks
typically 12-36 hours. Larger roasts, 24-72 hrs.
\_ I have seen the results of marinating the head of a moose
in a 55 gallon drum of water for months, and it was indeed
putrid sludge. |
| 2006/2/22-27 [Recreation/House] UID:41949 Activity:low |
2/22 Hello, I have a tatami problem. I bought 2 tatami mats from
Marukai and I really liked them. I liked them so much that I
decided to buy a third one to cover up a 6'x9' area. The first
two I bought came in a box together and are soft and comfy
to step on. They're also heavier to lift. The third one however,
didn't come with a box and is really light weight, and feels
kind of hard and not as comfy to step on. I should have bought
them in pairs. No return/exchange policy. Is this tatami
inconsistency normal?
\_ If you didn't get any answer in 24 hours, why do you expect
to get answer now?
\_ Because I'm hoping a Japanese csua'er would know something
about it. It seems like no one knows/cares these days.
\_ Quick note: If you actually have time to worry about this
kind of bullshit then you probably have too much time
on your hands. I realize the Japanese fall into this
category (the Japanese are weird people who obssess over
everything, which is why their cars are generally more
reliable), but I think this is taking it a bit too far.
\_ Get over yourself, already; honestly, how much time does it
really take to think about this stuff? 2 short
discussions about home decoration don't amount to all that
much time, guy.
\_ what is tatami?
\_ Each mat is 3'x6' and you can lay them out any way you
want, the constraint is you don't want 4 corners to touch
each other since that is inauspicious. The following is an
example, you can build up any size you want with the
above constraint, recursively:
2 tatami 3 tatami 4.5 tatami
+---+ +-+---+ +-+---+
+---+ | +---+ | +-+-+
+---+ +-+---+ +-+-+ |
+---+-+
6'x6' 6'x9' 9'x9'
\_ Japanese for "rug", basically a soft mat. I don't even know why
someone would post this, it's a non-issue.
\_ More like Japanese for "floor." It's a soft mat that covers
parts of the floor you wouldn't want to wear your shoes on:
http://www.garden-gifts.com/images/tatamiroom.JPG
In a Japanese home, tatami rooms are traditionally where
you'd sleep. They usually come in 3'x6' rectangles.
\_ Do you mean 1X2 meters, or are these American made, or
do the Japanese use feet? I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely
curious to know if there's a non-SI unit being used in
Japan. The distiction is non-trivial if you're laying
out a big floor.
\_ Tatami mats predate SI. Traditionally they were
0.5 ken by 1 ken; the exact length of a "ken" varied
by time and place, though, so tatami sizes varied
too. Several slightly different sizes are still
in use. One common size is 0.91m x 1.82m, which
happens to be almost exactly 3' x 6'.
\_ I am in awe of your knowledge of Japanese metrological
history.
\_ eh, ok. So why don't they just use carpets?
\_ 1) Tradition, 2) tatami mats are easier to integrate
with the floor so that they don't move, and 3) tatami
mats are usually much easier to clean than carpet. |
| 2006/2/22-23 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Recreation/Music] UID:41950 Activity:nil |
2/22 Does anyone know the name of this piece of orchestral music? It starts
with something like this:
Key: C-maj, 3/4 (probably)
C--- --BC DCBA | C-CA C--- BAED | G----
I heard it while watching the Olympics mixed ice dancing on Sunday
around 2-3pm. The team was wearing purple and they got a perfect 6.0.
Thanks.
\_ From your transcription, it could be Ravel's Bolero, but that's not
in 3/4. --scotsman
\_ Actually, it is in 3, like most bolero's.
\_ Sorry, I'm smoking the crack. Too much Puccini on the brain.
You're right. --scotsman
\- ravel's bolero is a good guess. it is in 3/4 and C-maj.
you could pick out the key but had never heard Bolero?
that's funky. do any of you know the ADRIAN HO/Bolero
episode in 238 Evans Hall [old CSUA office]?
\- i do not watch the olympics but if in 3/4 time may be one of
the "standard" competition watlzes for ice skating.
some of them appear to be here:
http://skatersworld.org/DeskTopDefault.aspx?MediaTitle=blues.mp3&tabid=256
i dont remember well enough to "name that tune" by "sight reading"
the motd. oh it looks like the REVENSBURGER is the STANDARD at
TORINO. i think that is really crappy piece. my competitive
ice skating associate has ceased associating with me otherwise
i could ask i suppose. ok tnx. |
| 2006/2/22-23 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:41951 Activity:nil |
2/21 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060220/od_nm/germany_drugs_dc Description of the URL is self explanitory (Germany Drugs). |
| 2006/2/22-23 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:41952 Activity:high |
2/21 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060222/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush Bush to support renewable energy. He's not such a bad guy afterall -environmentalist \_ are you dumb or what? he uses this small gesture to disguise the fact that he is pushing for 1. nuclear power 2. provide all sort of tax break / environmental regulation waivers to coal/oil industry. \_ why don't you just admit that you hate Republicans you hippie king \_ i just don't hate people who can careless about environment and then blaming China and India for everything. \_ nukular power is good -environmentalist \_ where are you going dump the waste? we will soon running out of Indian Reservations to dump them :p \_ dump it into the ocean \_ better dumped somewhere and contained than pumped into the atmosphere like our other current energy sources. \_ it can not be contained. that is the problem. those concrete canister last about 50-60 years before it start to leak... and the half life of those materials is... 10,000 years? There are ways to cut down emissions. But it requires CONSERVATION... If you are not willing to change your lavish life style, then, you are not an environmentalist. \_ You understand what halflife means right? Not the video game. Something with a long half life is going to emit very little radiation. If the half life is long enough, the radiation emitted is so low it will be less than the background radiation we're born into and live in from the natural environment. I'm not afraid of something with a 10,000 year halflife. It's the short stuff that will poison and kill you. You need to understand what you're talking about before going off about what is safe and not. Feel free to dump the 10,000 year stuff in my back yard. \_ Bury it on the moon! Space:1999 10 years late! \_ What's wrong with pushing for nuclear power? Nuclear power is better than most of the other alternatives; its main problem is Cold War-era paranoia. \_ waste. There is no safe way to dump the waste and right now it's being stored right at the Nuclear Power Plants everywhere. When people talk about nuclear energy being "cheaper," I often wonder if they taken account of the Yaka Mountain facilities and the cost of transporting waste to that location. \_ What is this Yaka of which you speak? ;-) Anyway, the planet is a big place. There are lots of safe places, they're just hard/expensive to get to. \_ due to long half-life, almost nowhere is safe except earth's core. \_ Due to long half life, almost anywhere is safe. But since we know it isn't safe it therefore must have a short halflife. Anything unsafe has a short half life by definition. The earth's core... indeed! \_ 1. If people weren't so paranoid about weaponization, we could use breeder reactors which would be much less wasteful. 2. Other conventional sources of power have waste too. \- i think the problem assessing nuclear power costs is the widely differing views on how small the probability of "something really bad" happening is ... since the govt rather than private insurance will kick in if something goes drastically wrong. you may be able to detemine say coal fired power plan will cost $x in enviro damange and health costs and increased mortality at emission level y which costs $z. but in the case of nuclear power there are some reasonably bounded costs for say security and waste disposal but part of the cost is the expectation value of p(really_bad_event) * cost(RBE) ... and i suspect there isnt a lot of agreement of p(RPE), especially if it is isnt a lot of agreement of p(RBE), especially if it is affect by human motivation and not just accident probability. OK TNX. \_ Uranium supplies are not infinite. Breeder/Thorium reactors are pipe dreams and no commercial versions exist. Reprocessing fuel means lots of plutonium floating around. Also the fallout (pun intended) from one going boom is really really bad, unlike coal fired plants which have a very bad, but fixed and relatively well known environmental impact. |
| 2006/2/22-23 [Politics/Domestic] UID:41953 Activity:moderate |
2/21 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060222/ap_on_bi_ge/economy Leading economic indicators rise. Bushenomics works. Time for liberal critics to shut the fuck up. \_ Still no wage growth. Woops! \_ WTF. decifit spending always gives a short term economic boom. Further, baby boomers are at their salary/wage peak right now (right before they start to retires)... of course things are somewhat rosy right now... \_ why don't you just admit that you hate Republicans you hippie king \_ Okay, I hate Republicans. That doesn't change the fact that Chimp King is running the country into the ground. \_ "I hate <opposing party members>. That doesn't change the fact that <childish name for opposing party leader> is running the country into the ground." \_ Speak truth. If it is true, it doesn't matter whom I hate. \_ Of course it does. Why must the obvious be spelled out? It always ruins the joke: you believe the country is being run into the ground *because* you hate the opposing party. If your party was doing the *exact* same things you'd find a way to rationalise and defend it. Sheesh. \_ I am not the previous poster, but I am an independent and I think the GOP is running the country into the ground economically. A negative nationwide savings rate is the quickest and surest way to impoverishment. \_ I agree that a negative savings rate is bad. Which GOP policy made that happen and what policy change do you propose to change that? \- if the "country is run into the ground" but you can go to private hospitals, send your children to private schools and private universities and get private insurance in case of hurricanes and hire private security, and you get all your books and DVS at AMAZONG or netflicks and subscribe to your own magazines, you care a lot less about the deterioriating infrastructure. also richer people are better able to hedge against dollar falling. although i have fairly little symphathy for either yuppies making good money who are spending beyond their means or people with more modest incomes who do as well ... but i do kind of wonder what will happen when the shit hits the fan [after the gop dupes them into supporting repeal of the "death tax" or under funded school voucher programs]. and DVS at AMAZONG or netflicks and subscribe to your own magazines, you care a lot less about the deterioriating infra- structure. also richer people are better able to hedge against dollar falling. although i have fairly little symphathy for either yuppies making good money who are spending beyond their means or people with more modest incomes who do as well ... but i do kind of wonder what will happen when the shit hits the fan [after the gop dupes them into supporting repeal of the "death tax" or under funded school voucher programs ]. i think maybe the gop will institute "slavery-light". \_ ok that was uhm, long, but what exactly was the GOP policy that is causing people to not save and what policy would you suggest to encourage savings? \_ They already did. See bankruptcy "reform" \- oh, i was more thinking of this plan to admit aliens with strings attached. like "you can stay in this country as long as you are doing a shitty job for sub-mkt wages and non-legal working conditions". |
| 2006/2/22-27 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:41954 Activity:nil |
2/22 Can someone give me a link to a ISO of opensolaris
that I can burn and boot on my PC? thanks
\_ Opensolaris distributions are still pretty much for developers only.
If you want Solaris for your PC, download Solaris 10/x86 from Sun
ISO(s) from Sun.
\_ The closest thing to an official ISO for openSolaris is
sxcr. You have to register w/ sun to d/l it:
link:tinyurl.com/nswzr (javashoplm.sun.com)
One of my friends on the openSolaris team suggested that
you try nexenta instead |
| 2006/2/22 [Recreation/Dating] UID:41955 Activity:nil |
2/22 I know a 20 year old girl who is a deeply committed Christian
and has 30I cup breasts. She rarely meets anyone
bigger than her (ratio-wise). How can she
justify premarital sex with her boyfriend while
simultaneously staying faithful to Lord Jesus Christ? |
| 2006/2/22-27 [Uncategorized] UID:41956 Activity:nil |
2/22 Holy shit, Hollywood heist in real life:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2053858,00.html
Weird that a single employee can be the point of failure.
\_ you mean they recently watched Firewall w/Harrison Ford, right
did anyone actually see that?
\_ More like Bandits, with Bruce Willis, Billy Bob Thornton:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0219965 |
| 2006/2/22-27 [Computer/Theory] UID:41957 Activity:nil |
2/22 Quantum computer works best switched off -http://csua.org/u/f25 |
| 2006/2/22-23 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:41958 Activity:nil 93%like:41970 |
2/22 http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060222/hl_hsn/momsgeneticsmighthelpproducegaysons More evidence that genetics and God create gay people. |
| 2006/2/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:41959 Activity:moderate |
2/22 Can anyone tell me why Bush wants to outsource the ports to
a company from another country? What's the reason behind it?
What is the advantage for doing so?
\_ sounds more to me like that the ports are already outsourced by
foreign counteries. This was a case of one foreign company selling
out to a company HQ'd in a country that had a few folks unhappy
\- i dont think this is really a hands on personal decision.
it was a cmte decison by Committee on Foreign Investment in
the US. i suppose it is possible BUSH let them know what he
wanted, but i dunno if that has really been established.
this is controversial because the country is arab, not foreign.
foreign companies were already involved running other parts
of the ports/martine infrastructure.
\_ His threatened veto of any bar to it belies the "not hands on"
\- well that's after the fact. that can be construed as
backing the cmte rather than desiring a particular
outcome. perhaps a legitmate case of defending executive
privilage.
\_ Yes, it's after the fact. But that, combined with them
bypassing the required 45 day investigation period
suggests a concerted effort that would depend on an
executive branch "understanding". Yes, this is
conjecture, but it runs along their standard MO.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/22/politics/22port.html
\_ UAE only supplied two 9/11 hijackers, so they only get ports.
Saudi Arabia sent 15 hijackers, so they get Abrams tanks, F-15s,
and quality time with Dubya. http://csua.org/u/f22 (whitehouse.gov)
\_ Their banks also provided money to the hijackers and stopped any
investigation to follow the money trail through UAE. There are a
lot of conservatives like me upset about this.
\_ Ok, Mr. Responsible Conservative Guy, so which GOP candidate
are you planning on backing for '08? Just curious.
\_ Anybody but Bush!
\_ Do you mean Jeb?
\_ I don't see any '08 candidates of any party worth looking
at twice. -Mr. RCG
\_ Reasonable, informed, people should always vote, and
shold always care. Even if you're a "lesser evil"
voter, shouldn't you care that they get someone who
can beat the other party? Of if you really hate them,
you should pick a Dem to support. Reasonable,
non-partisan people ignoring party primaries is how you
end up with assholes like George Bush being a major
party candidate. I will forever regret not registering
as a Republican in 2000 so that I could vote against
that bastard twice.
\_ I'm sure that would have made a difference. Anyway,
I think you're missing the above person's point
which is this is early 06 and the election isn't
until late '08. We don't even know who is running
so how could anyone have an intelligent opinion?
\_ If Colin Powell could be convinced to run, I would vote
for him. My 2d choice would be McCain. I voted for him
in the 2000 primary. If the GOP runs some neocon nutcase
and the Democrats run someone reasonable like Lieberman
or Clark, I'd probably vote Democrat for the first time
in my life. -gopvoter
\_ You don't want someone more moderate and not in the
pocket of the insurance industry like Senator Clinton?
\_ I'm pretty much center of the road, so I could
bring myself to vote for a moderate democrat,
esp. considering that a moderate democrat prob.
would not have expanded the fed gov as much as
BUSHCO has.
Re Sen. Clinton: I don't think I can vote for her
b/c I think her whole moderate stance is a just a
PR stunt and that she would go left if elected. I
am also just too closed minded to think that a woman
could lead troops into battle a la President Wash-
ington [except perhaps Princess Leia :-)]. I know
that no modern President has had to or could effect-
ively do this (except maybe Ike), but it is still a
factor in my voting. -gopvoter
\_ Here's a thought experiment: Imagine that they
both are leading identical countries, with
identical armies so that the only difference is
leadership, and imagine a war with Thatcher
leading one side and George W. Bush leading the
other. I'm not saying Clinton could be a good
commander in chief, but it would be hard to be
worse at that particular job than the lazy, lying
ex-cheerleader AWOL know-nothing who presently has
the job.
\_ As much as I love Maggie, the guys on the Brit
destroyer the Argentinians sunk might
disagree with you.
\_ I understand on a rational level that some
women can perform the duties of CiC better
that most of the men who have held that
position. That isn't the problem for me.
I still have this vision of the President
as a man who, if necessary, can walk on to
the battle field and defend this nation w/
his life. I just can't bring my self to see
this as the proper sort of thing for a
woman.
\_ Looks like you'd better start pushing
for a Jesse Ventura presidential bid.
\_ I prefer Ahnuld, but The Body would
be okay w/ me.
\_ "When two tribes go to war..."
\- and BUSH and CHENEY fit your vision of
a CiC who can walk on to the battle
field [sic] and defend this nation with
his life? wow, you have quite an
imagination. --motd vet for truth
\_ Bush2 does not fit my vision of a
proper president (I voted for McCain
in the 2000 primary and would have
liked the Democrats to have nominated
Clark in 2004). Furthermore, I said
that fitness as the CiC was one factor
in my voting. Between two male candi-
dates, this factor is not dispositive.
It only really affects my decision to
vote for a woman for the presidency.
I'd rather abstain than vote for a
woman candidate b/c I can't get over
the feeling that women are not fit
to be the CiC.
\_ Aren't these guys heavy Carlyle Group investors?
\_ I thought they aren't actually running the ports just leasing some
terminals ...
\- hola fyi ucb dept political science prof steve weber will
be talking about this on the radio at 9pm on thr.
\_ Polls don't matter, I read it on the motd. |
| 2006/2/22-27 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:41960 Activity:nil |
2/22 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/germany_manure_dc URL self explanitory. Heil Shit Eating German John!!! \_ What kind of wine pairs well with pig manure? \_ shit eating? what the fuck is your problem? seriously? |
| 2006/2/22-27 [Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:41961 Activity:nil |
2/22 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060222/bs_nm/autos_honda_hybrid_dc Honda to sell more low cost hybrids. Uh oh Toyota, you are fucked this time, for sure! \_ "The newspaper said the Fit hybrid would have fuel economy comparable to that of the Honda Insight and Toyota Prius, which the auto makers advertise in Japan as getting around 35-36 km to a liter (82-84 miles per gallon)." That's a bit of a jump from the US numbers (which are already inflated). Is that all just emissions differences? comparable to that of the Honda Insight and Toyota Prius, which the auto makers advertise in Japan as getting around 35-36 km to a liter (82-84 miles per gallon)." That's a bit of a jump from the US numbers (which are already inflated). Is that all just emissions differences? \_ Maybe the jdm version are lighter b/c they don't have air bags, electrical seats, windows, &c.? \_ Phear my reduced size electric motor paired with 1-Liter gas engine! |
| 2006/2/22-27 [Health/Disease/General] UID:41962 Activity:nil |
2/22 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060222/hl_nm/alzheimers_decline_dc Education delays Alzheimers. Better stay in school! In other news, Ronald Reagan's rapid progression of Alzheimer was most likely caused by his lack of education. \_ Yeah, but too much education wastes your life away so you don't want to remember it anyway. -bitter phd \_ Stop trying to troll ilya, he's not around anymore. \_ Who is ilya and is he like a typical Republican-- hard core, stubborn, self-righteous, and worships Reagan? \_ Do a search on "ilyas" in kais motd. I think you'll agree that the word "typical" doesn't belong in any sentence that has that guy's name in it. \_ No, he's hard core, stubborn, and self-righteous, but it stems from a violent, albeit somewhat understandable since he grew up in Communist Russia, suspicion and loathing for all forms of government social programs. \_ Yawn. "Who are you and are you like the typical <opposition party member>-- hard core, stubborn, self-righteous, and worships <recent President and member of opposition party>?" Thank you for playing the "Young Motd Troll Game". D-. |
| 2006/2/22-24 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:41963 Activity:nil |
2/22 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brf_toilet_paper_death Man killed over toilet paper. Are these men Republicans? \_ Sounds to me like they're gay, so I doubt it. \_ Cuz there are no gay Republicans. Unh uh... nothing to see here, Mr. Mehlman. \_ He needed TP for his bunghole. \_ This just confirms a bit of wisdom I alreadly know from painful experience: Never, ever, under any circumstances, go to Florida. Fucked up shit happens there with startling regularity. -dans |
| 2006/2/22-24 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:41964 Activity:nil |
2/22 Is there somewhere I can search to find out property developments
(size, residential/commercial, estimated construction time, etc)?
The huge plot of land across my condo used to have Kinkos,
Marie Calendar, etc. Within a month, they all moved somewhere
else and the whole place is vacated. I'm wondering what they're
planning to do, and for how long. Thanks.
\_ Try your local city hall. Likely in the basement, mind the
stairs.
\_ Look through the planning division website of your city. Some city
have site with enough information so you don't have to actually
go to city hall. |
| 2006/2/22-24 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:41965 Activity:nil |
2/22 Iraqi civil war, here we come? :(
http://csua.org/u/f21 (juancole.com)
\_ Sadly, Mr. Cole is quite well-informed and knowledgeable about
this situation. I say "sadly" because I would prefer to think that
will not come to pass. but I know that he's right. |
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