Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2006:February:16 Thursday <Wednesday, Friday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2006/2/16-17 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:41881 Activity:nil
2/15    how do i export a giant mbox mail file to Gmail from
        the command line? is graphical.
        The old version doesn't work either.
        \_ check out formail(1) and sendmail(8)
        \_ you can also do this pseudo-command line in mutt:
           tag all the messages you want to send  - the t command
           then tag-bounce them to your gmail address. - the ;b command
           note, sometimes if you get too many messages at once at gmail,
           they've been observed to throttle/stop accepting. --Jon
2006/2/16 [Uncategorized] UID:41882 Activity:nil 77%like:41884
2/15    I'm using rsync -ravH to make two identical filesystems. When
        comparing the two resulting filesystems, I notice that some
        directory files (like /usr/doc/.) and /backup/usr/doc/. have
        different sizes: for example 8192 versus 4096 Any idea why
        this would be? I would like to confirm that my two rsync'd
        filesystems are identical.
2006/2/16-17 [Politics, Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:41883 Activity:nil
2/15    You sunk my Imperial Star Destroyer!
2006/2/16-17 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:41884 Activity:nil 77%like:41882
2/15    I'm using rsync -ravH to make an identical backup. When
        comparing the two resulting filesystems, I notice that some
        directory files have different sizes. /usr/doc/. is 8192 and
        /backup/usr/doc/. is 4096 Any idea why this would be? I would
        like the two rsync'd filesystems to be identical sizes.
        \_ -r is included in -a for rsync.
        \_ Read up on filesystems.
        \_ Directories grow as there are more entries at that immediate level
           of the structure, then don't always give back that allocated space.
           Try making a directory, then creating 10,000 files in it, then
           deleting them all.  Note the directory size.  --dbushong
           \_ Thanks! -op
              \_ Also, different OSes/FSes do initial allocations differently.
                 If both these directories are empty, that would explain the
                 \_ In this case they are both linux and ext3.
                    \_ Same linux versions? flavors?
                       \_ Indeed: same computer. The issue seems to be
                          the directory size that dbushong explained. I wonder
                          what is the best way to verify that these directory
                          file sizes are the only differences between the FS -op
        \_ try another tool.  unison?
2006/2/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:41885 Activity:high
2/16    Conservatives argue for impeachment:
        QUESTION: Is spying on the American people as impeachable an
        offense as lying about having sex with an intern?

        BRUCE FEIN, constitutional scholar and former deputy atty general
        in the Reagan Admin: I think the answer requires at least in part
        considering what the occupant of the presidency says in the aftermath
        of wrongdoing or rectification. On its face, if President Bush is
        totally unapologetic and says I continue to maintain that as a
        war-time President I can do anything I want . I don't need to consult
        any other branches . that is an impeachable offense. It's more
        dangerous than Clinton.s lying under oath because it jeopardizes our
        democratic dispensation and civil liberties for the ages. It would
        set a precedent that . would lie around like a loaded gun, able to be
        used indefinitely for any future occupant.

        NORM ORNSTEIN, AEI scholar: I think if going to be intellectually
        honest here, this really is the kind of thing that Alexander Hamilton
        was referring to when impeachment was discussed.
        \_ Congress seems to be agreeing with the necessity of the wiretaps.
           What's your point?
           \_ Both Congress and the American public are overrun by cowards
              who do not believe in freedom.  What's your point?
              \_ Welcome to a Democratic Republic.  It isn't perfect but it
                 is the best thing the planet has seen so far in governments.
                 If enough voters cared about this they'd speak with their
                 votes.  Since most people don't vote at all much less based
                 on issues like this, you would seem to have the minority
                 opinion on how important this really is.
                 \_ Fuck you, you patronizing fuckhead asshole.
                    \_ *laugh*  If you weren't such an idiot, then you
                       wouldn't find everyone so patronizing.  Pull the log
                       from your own eye before pointing to the splinter in
                       someone else's.  ;-)
                       \_ Fuck you.  I can keep this up all day.
                          \_ Exactly.  Now you have identified your problem.
                             \_ Stick it in your ass.
                                \_ You're such a cutie!  Muwah!
                                   \_  Come a little closer and say that, punk.
                                       Just see what happens.
           \_ Just about everyone agrees with the necessity of the wiretaps.
              It's the part about doing this without oversight that violates
              FISA and has people in an uproar.
              \_ The thing is, it's Congress' opinion that counts, not any
                 \_ Although I think it's unlikely that a GOP Congress will
                    impeach a sitting GOP President, there are still plenty
                    of conservative congress-people who agree with the
                    speakers above.
                    \_ And there are Democrats who agree that the process
                       should continue with congressional oversight.
                       \_ I really mean no offense, but I think you're
                          missing why this is an issue to begin with. The
                          wiretapping has never been the issue; the issue's
                          been that the wiretapping was going on without
                          oversight (specifically, Judicial, according to
                          FISA). If I misunderstand your confusion, I look
                          forward to your elaboration.
           \_ I do not understand the uproar about FISA. Let's say the
              Pres. does an illegal wire tap, but never uses the evid.
              against you in ct. How are you hurt (esp. if you never
              find out that your were wire tapped)? What exactly are
              you afraid of?
              \_ Well, let's say you're in the opposition party and the Pres.
                 uses wiretapping to spy on you and set his party's political
                 strategy. Ridiculous, you say. But if there's no oversight,
                 there's nothing to prevent people from doing this sort of
                 thing. Really, court is the least of your concerns.
                 \_ Or they could end up with 500+ of your FBI files... but
                    no one would ever do that.
                    \_ So what? The Pres. could easily get access to these
                       files if he really wanted it. I don't see how FISA
                       makes this any easier/harder for the Pres.
                       \_ FISA prevents the executive branch from violating
                          the constitutional right against illegal search and
                          seizure. The international calls go to domestic
                          lines, and potentially citizens, so FISA allows taps
                          for cases that have probable cause. What the
                          executive branch is doing ignores probable cause and
                          may be using tainted evidence to gain domestic
                          wiretaps. So if someone in the 300k list of people
                          listed as terrorists calls say Clinton's Senate
                          office and hangs up, that's a link. No oversight so
                          now the NSA tells the FBI says we have credible link,
                          tap all lines in that office, we'll review the
                          transcripts. There would be no probable cause to tap
                          the lines without the tainted no-FISA evidence.
                          \_ I'm specifically talking about the FBI files.
                             The wiretap provisions of FISA do not restrict
                             the Pres. access to FBI files.
                             I don't follow your argument. At some point the
                             gov needs to get a valid warrant, that means
                             the warrant needs to be based on independent
                             evid not on the tainted wiretap info.
                             Say the NSA fingers a suspect and tells the
                             FBI about it. The FBI can't get a warrant to
                             FBI about it based on a so-called illegal
                             wiretap. The FBI can't get a warrant to
                             wiretap the guy w/o a showing of probable
                             cause. This can't be based on tainted evid.
                             The FBI will have to est. independent evid
                             to support a showing of probable cause. This
                             is what their warrant will be based on. The
                             fact that they got a tip from the NSA is the
                             same as if they got an anon tip and invest-
                             cause. This warrant can't be based on tainted
                             evid. The FBI will have to est. independent
                             evid to support a showing of probable cause.
                             The fact that they got a tip from the NSA is
                             the same as if they got an anon tip and invest-
                             igated. There is no taint.
                             [ I say so-called illegal wiretap b/c I think
                               FISA is an unconstitutional limitation on
                               the Pres. constitutional duty to defend this
                               nation from her enemies. ]
                 \_ So why would you be discussing your important political
                    policies in cleartext? Why wouldn't you be using encry-
                    ption? I still don't understand. When I value my info
                    enough that I don't want a 3d party intercepting it, I
                    use encryption. If the opposition party doesn't value
                    the information enough to take measures to prevent it
                    disclosure, then it is their own fault if the info is
                    \_ We're talking about phone conversations, not email.
                       Also, why should the resources of the US be used for
                       political gain of one political party?
                       \_ There are secure phone sol'n for sensitve info.
                          Use that if you really care. If not, don't be
                          surprised if someone overhears your conversation
                          and uses it against you.
                          I'm not exactly sure why you are bothered that
                          one party might be abusing government resources
                          for political gain. Both parties do it. Its not
                          something that can be prevented.
        \_ Congress can decide to impeach on whatever they want. The
           Constitution is itself vauge about the terms of what constitutes
           a "high crime", so practically speaking as long as you have the
           political clout you can just trump up charges and start the
           impeachment process. You don't need peanut gallery commentators
           to argue for or against impeachment. Is GW going to be impeached
           during his term? Not likely unless the Dems can pull off some sort
           of electoral revolution during the midterm elections. Chances
           of GW getting impeached are probably one in a thousand if not
        \_ Just an aside, but Bubba would say, (a) under oath, he didn't lie
           about Monica, (b) in the public sphere, "sexual relations" didn't
           include oral sex, and (c) in his private life with Hillary and
           Chelsea, he lied like hell.
           Similarly, Dubya would say there's a loophole on spying on the
           American people (a) if one end of a call comes from outside the
           country, and (b) one of those individuals is suspected of al Qaeda
           activity (c) during a war on al Qaeda (Dubya interprets the
           Congressional resolution authorizing "all necessary and appropriate
           force" in fighting al Qaeda as enabling his war powers against al
2006/2/16-17 [Reference/BayArea] UID:41886 Activity:nil
2/16    San Jello:  -John
        \_ I think I heard about this on Forum.  Is this the Exploratorium
           exhibit? --scotsman
        \_ Upcoming shows/exhibits by the artist:
           It's definitely showing at the Exploratorium on April 1. -dans
2006/2/16-17 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:41887 Activity:nil
2/16    In PHP, If I loop $result=mysql_query("...SQL here..."); with
        a lot of results, while reusing the variable
        $result without ever using mysql_free_result($result),
        would that make the memory space blow up? Like:
        while (1) {
          $result=mysql_query("...SQL HERE...");
          ... use the results in $result ...
          // mysql_free_result($result); commented out. Mem blow?
        \_ Yes.  As per the manual, the memory is freed at the end of the
           page request.
        \_ Consider using Pear DB instead of the mysql functions directly.
           It adds a lot of handy shortcut functions, helps abstract your
           code away from being mysql-specific, and offers an "autofree"
           option. --dbushong
2006/2/16-17 [Recreation/Dating, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:41888 Activity:low
2/16    I just read the csua minutes. CSUA is running out of money and
        has no new members. There's a solution to this. GET WOMEN INVOLVED!!
        And I'm not talking about ugly SWE women, but real women.
        Team up with the busadm people. Tell them they'll learn
        the software engineering process that'll help them gain
        experience|wealth|connections|CASH|etc. When hot busadm women
        show up, so will horny alumni and students.
        \_ Thanks, Paolo.
        \_ Including yourself?
        \_ considering os X is now *nix based, I would presume mac users would
           be a good student base to draw on.  There are a lot of Mac users I
           know who would love to learn more command-line tools and how to
           do things in the shell, but don't know where to start.
        \_ Outsource some of the current operations to India to shave costs.
2006/2/16-17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:41889 Activity:nil
2/16    In Iran, Danish pastries now called "Roses of the Prophet Muhammad".
        \_ Congrats to Iran, they've proven their leaders are just as juvenile
           as ours.
           \_ What was it that clued you in, the pastry thing, the last 25
              years of "must destroy Israel", the head slapping, what?  -John
2006/2/16-17 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:41890 Activity:low
2/16    A game I am developing is a finalist in the Independent Games
        Festival ( and I am looking for 1-2 people to
        come to the Game Developers Conference in mid-March to help
        demo the game.  The game is very interesting and cool, and you
        get a free pass to the conference in return.  Good opportunity
        for a student.  Email
        \_ jon, you such a handsome asian man! do you have a boyfriend?
           \_ Hmmm ... do you know who you are talking to?
              \_ I thought I was talking to jon kurada?
                 \- this is not the jon you're looking for. keep walking.
                 \_ I have many dopplegangers, Jon Blow is not one of them.
                    --Jon (@csua)
2006/2/16 [Recreation/Media] UID:41891 Activity:high
2/16    Today on the radio I heard a commercial for this electronic/TV/
        appliance shop that I had never heard of, which claimed that they'd
        been around for over 20 years. At the end of the commercial the guy
        said "I *AM* the king." I've heard something similar from Seinfeld
        where this guy dressed up as the king for another appliance shop in
        NYC. What is this "I *AM* the king" deal? What the hell does
        it mean? Is it a 60s thing?
        \_ Mr. Leonardo Cappuccino in Titanic?
           \_ Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool...
              \_ And your contribution to this thread is ...
           \- Hoc volo, sic jubeo; sit pro ratione voluntas
        \_ Was it Howard's? He has claimed to be the king of big screen
           since the 1980s. Maybe you live in a cave.
        \_ in LA, Paul is the King of Big Screens
        \_ The Seinfeld episode was of a guy saying he was the "Wiz".
2006/2/16-3/3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:41892 Activity:high
2/16    Looking for the name of a famous Korean soap opera where this
        girl wants to be the #1 Chef and then later on the #1 Nurse.
        The music sounds like "Hu na la hu na la" something something.
        \_ You're one year late, man.  It was on Ch26 9pm M-F this time
           last year, in both Korean and Mandarin (SAP) with Chinese subtitles.
           The tune is in G-maj:
           A B B B -A G | E G G G - - | A B B B -A B | D B B B - - |
           D E E E -D B | B D E D - - | A B B B -A G | E G G G - - |
        \_ This soap opera further reinforces my preconception that Korean
           women are the HOTTEST women in the entire East Asian race.
           Young Korean women are cute. Middle age Korean women are
           georgeous. Old Korean women are classy. Korean women #1.
2006/2/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:41893 Activity:nil
2/16    Just out of curiosity, did the CSUA ever have candy corruption
        \_ What do you mean?  Like making deals with candy companies for
           kick-backs?  No.  Do you mean people not paying their tabs?
           \_ I mean like what's indicated in the most current CSUA minutes,
              where even after tabs are accounted for, ~ $120 of an expected
              ~ $720 that's supposed to be there, isn't.
2006/2/16-17 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:41894 Activity:kinda low
2/16    When are these people going to realize how to correctly black out text
        in a PDF file?  It's fortunate it's only driver's license numbers that
        were "blacked out". ( Sheriff's report on Cheney shooting
        \_ I don't see what is wrong, give me a clue?
           \_ Try to copy out the blacked out text.
           \_ Try to think of the most stupid way imaginable to try to black
              out text in an electronic document.  Bingo.
              \_ Hey, it might not be the stupidest. Never (mis)underestimate
        \_ Beautiful. This happens almost too often in court, and people are
           constantly calling to see if they can get what they thought was a
           redacted copy off the website. --erikred
        \_ "I was to report to the main house."  "I was instructed to park my
           vehicle ..."  "I ... was turned over to another agent ...".  Gee,
           how submissive.  County Sheriffs work for the county, not the Fed,
           right?  This Chief Deputy has no balls.  That is, unless his report
           on a typical highway pullover also reads like this:
           "I was to report to the speeding driver's window."
           "I was instructed that the driver's license has expired."
           "I was turned over to the passenger who judged my (lack of) genital
           "I humbly submitted the written citation to the driver.  Then I
           excused myself back to the insignificant patrol car."
           \_ Well, if he just ignored the secret service he'd be liable to
              get his ass shot. Does he have authority over them?
              \_ I know a guy who used to drive in nuke convoys when  he was in
                 the army.  The Colorado highway patrol used to try to pull
                 them over.  They had helicopter gunship and F-15 escorts,
                 and U.S. gov't plates, generally were not speeding, and these
                 fuckers would come up with their little cop pistols and try
                 to start shit.  It did not generally end well for the cops.
                 No one was ever hurt beyond a bruised ego, but they were very
                 very lucky.
                 \_ How do F-15 jets escort trucks going 65mph?
              \_ Secret Service *is* law enforcement.  They can make arrests,
                 etc.  They most likely have jurisdiction wherever they are.
                 \_ If the County Sheriff don't have jurisdiction over this
                    incident, why was the Chief Deputy taking statements?
2006/2/16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:41895 Activity:nil
2/16    Winning the Race
2006/2/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:41896 Activity:high
2/16    The China Connection
        A chart of Chinese front companies operating within the United States
        Why Able Danger Was Scrapped: The China Connection
        \_ hello jblack
2021/06/19 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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