2/15    Can one of you root guys please explain how tom has been
        eearily and correctly identifying anonymous motd posters? Is he
        abusing root or abusing his connection to root?
        \_ I don't think tom's been abusing root.  Unfortunately, it's not
           too hard to identify most motd posters even without root.  If you
           have ideas for how to make it harder, please let us know.  --root
           \_ why should it be hard to identify who is posting to the MOTD?
              Do we really think the MOTD is a better place for not having
              the basic auditing capability that every other forum on the
              net has?  -tom
        \_ I bet tom doesn't need technical means to know identify most
           posters.
        \_ Several of us have various scripted ways of figuring out who other
           posters are but only a childish schmuck would descend to that
           level in a cheap attempt to 'score' points on the motd.  And his
           predictive abilities are hardly "eery".  He has a terrible track
           record of identifying people especially considering how often he
           names names.
           \_ ooh, big bad tom naming names...  Grow up, reiffin.
              \_ nice try but wrong.

2/14    lolly, are you single and Jewish? Are you available? If not
        can you please tell me how to meet Jewish women? I heard about
        this "Chabad" thing on the radio and I'm wondering if that's a
        good place to start. I totally worship Jewish people.

2/14    What did you give/get for Valentine's Day?
        \_ the lack of responses tells you that both students/alumni
           are pathetic dateless geeks.
           \_ Dude, this was posted on Valentine's Day.  Those of us giving
              and getting on the day of have better things to do than respond
              to shit on the motd in the evening. -dans
        \_ A hangover.  Dissapointingly, no black eye, however.  No one wanted
           to fight at the bar where I spent all night drinking alone.
           \_ You're either a) frequenting the wrong bar or b) not trying hard
              enough.  b) is more probable than a). -dans
              \_ A bit of both.  I won't start a fight, I was just ready for
                 one.  I guess that means I can't be dissapointed,  when you
                 think about it.
        \_ chocolate and a laptop.
        \_ Champagne and Zachary's pizza
        \_ I cooked for my gf and we ended up having sex. She wanted me to
           cum inside her vagina without any protection. I hesitated a bit
           but it turned out that she started using birth control last
           month. Condomless sex, the best VDay's gift a man can get.
           \_ She's been letting me ride bareback for a while now.
        \_ cooked for my gf, gave her silk pajamas for present.  then my
        \_ cooked for my gf, gave her a silk pajamas for present.  then my
           cold, cough and jet lag started acting up, so I took a nap on
           the sofa.  Woke up at 6 a.m.  Noticed she gave me extra
           blankets, box of tissues for blowing my nose, and set up a
           portable heater.  Left for work without waking her.
        \_ Gave:
           2 Dozen roses, a drive down highway 1 from Santa Cruz to San
           Francisco, and a tasty dinner at ShiMo Planned to surprise her by
           bringing her to Pillow Fight Club:
           http://laughingsquid.com/2006/02/03/pillow-fight-in-san-francisco
           and handing her a pillow in an obnoxiously cute Hello Kitty pillow
           cover, but we didn't make it to SF by 6:00.
           Got:
           Fresh, hand picked flowers, unrequested help picking up the dinner
           check.  Quality time with my smart, gorgeous, and wonderful
           girlfriend.
           Gave/Got:
           Ridiculously mind-blowing sex that left both of us unable to move
           for at least five minutes after we finished fucking.
           \_ did you use a condom?
           Unrelated Recommendation:
           ShiMo (2339 Clement @ approx. 25th Ave.), features the freshest and
           tastiest sushi I know of in SF.  Its specials are fantastic, the
           spicy scallop roll I had yesterday rocked.  Additionally ShiMo is
           reliably open until midnight, and if folks are eating/drinking they
           will stay open later.
           \_ Have you tried Koo?
        \_ A home cooked meal from me. Anal sex from her.
           \_ Wait, you had to cook for her before she'd do your ass?  Is that
              a cheap bribe for you guys, or was she teasing you and building
              up the anticipation?

2/14    Mormons Heavier, study at BYU finds
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060214/ap_on_he_me/mormons_heavier
        Well, emarkp?
        \_ can you blame them for being more prosperous and satisfied in life?
        \_ Hi troll!  You want to talk to me by name, sign yours.  I have email
           as well. -emarkp

2/15    What if Gore had won in 2000?
        http://csua.org/u/ezj [Editorial by founder of the John Locke Society]
        \_ He's probably right that divided gov't works better historically,
           but I wonder if everything would be gridlock right now?  At any
           rate, this quote is damned statistics:
           "He observed that from 1993 to 2001, federal spending on defense,
           entitlements, and domestic discretionary programs all fell as a
           share of GDP."
           GDP did crazy things during the tech boom.
           \_ Government is supposed to be gridlocked.  Haste in changing
              laws should require a mass consensus.
           \_ The GDP growth rate since 2003 has been the same as it was
              from 1995-2000. The actual number of federal government employees
              dropped during the Clinton Administration, too. This is not
              a damned statistic, but a rare event.
              \_ Starting with the White House Travel Office.  ;-)

2/15    Was 9/11 an Osama miscalculation?  AlQ losing the hearts and minds?
        http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.terrorism12feb12,0,5943431.story?coll=bal-oped-headlines

2/15    http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/15/business/yuan.php
        China says the US should relax export restrictions of high tech
        if it wants to fix the trade deficit.
        \_ "In a complex and challenging time, the road of isolationism and
            protectionism may seem broad and inviting -- yet it ends in danger
            and decline." -GWB
        \_ What?  Are they tired of stealing everything?
        \_ china's trade surplus with the US is overrated.  most of the
           exported goods have componenets made in other asian countries.
           china only does the finally assembling.  that is why china has
           a big trade deficit vis-a-vis other asian countries.
           essentially the other asian countries "exported" their trade
           surplus with the US to China.  The overall US trade deficit with
           asia also decreased recently.  so don't blame china, blame our
           wonderful allies like japan, taiwan, south korea, singapore, etc.
           \- bilateral trade deficits dont mean anything. meanings of
              aggregate trade deficits open to debate.
              \_ the other thing is many of the products are made by US
                 companies in China, and these companies will send
                 the profits back to US (or are owned by US investors,
                 anyway).
        \_ trade deficit with S.Korea, EU, Japan, Mexico and Canada also
           reached record high.  I think it's time to pressure these
           countries to re-evaulate their currencies.
           \_ yes, these countries (except Mexico) make products that
              compete with us, unlike China.  We should keep the yuan
              cheap so we can buy cheap stuff, and rein in inflation.

2/14    [racist junk purged]

2/15    documentary for ax:
        http://www.markhamstreetfilms.com/documentary/documentary_stacked.htm
                I did a search on my tivo, and I don't see it being aired
                anytime soon.  DOH!  -ax

2/15    Was 9/11 an Osama miscalculation?  AlQ losing the hearts and minds?
        http://tinyurl.com/9o9v6 (baltimoresun.com)
        \_ How delightfully hubristic

2/15    /csua/tmp/bunnykitty.gif
        /csua/tmp/bunnyballoon.gif
          --oj

2/15    I'm trying to get someone setup on iChatAV but it appears that their
        ISP is blocking port 5060 (the SIP port) in order to promote their
        own VoIP products. Does anyone know of any clever ways to circumvent
        this (like port forwarding, proxy, etc.)?
        \_ Yeah--get a decent firewall (I'm going to keep on mentioning
           M0n0wall on WRAP) that does port NAT.  That, or IPSEC, although
           if you're both on dynamic IPs that can be a problem, depending on
           the implementation.  I didn't even realize iChhat used SIP.  -John

2/15    Ann Coulter, felon
        http://csua.org/u/ezo (Palm Beach Post, url shortened to appease
        self-important person below)
        \_ First they came for the overly-long urls, and I didn't speak
           up, because I wasn't posting overly-long urls. Then they came
           for the yermom jokes...
           \_ The convention of shortening URLs benefits everybody.
              You spend and extra 3 units of energy to shorten and in
              turn 10 people save 2. That's the same reason you should
              add a substantive comment to your URL rather than a naked
              URL or a "comment" like "cool" or "heh" or "check it out".
              \_ Just letting it go beyond 80 is fine for most people. How many
                 people are honestly stuck with only 80 columns? (and how many
                 of those are actually copying and pasting the links?) I don't
                 mind formatting posts in general but for urls, maybe those who
                 who have a problem can do that work, or feel free to ignore.
                 \_ It's not about being 'stuck' with 80 columns. That's
                    the standard. You could write your sentences right to left,
                    too, and still be understood, but most people would be
                    annoyed with that.
                   you don't ,dude _/
                       !me oppress

2/15    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060214/ap_en_tv/tv_cheney_jokes
        Dick Cheney jokes. Look at the sources. This is more proof all
        media source except Fox News are filled with liberal trash.
        Everything except Fox is unfair and unbalanced.
        \_ Whoa.  Comedians tell jokes?! SHIT! What'll we tell the CHILDREN?!
           Actually, comparing fox "news" with a late night talk show seems
           almost fitting.
        \_ I'm pretty sure Jon Stewart would have laughed just as hard at
           Gore shooting someone.  "Robot now armed!"
        \_ Yeah, no one ever made jokes about Clinton.

2/15    [The hell with you and your refusal to shorten URLs to fit 80col.]
        \_ It wasn't my URL but I'm curious: why do you care?
           \_ I like following URLs on motd, but I hate pasting them back
              together when they overflow the line.
              \_ Ok I can see that, but how does deleting them help?
                 \_ helps in improving future behaviour.
                    \_ Here on motd, the principle of free speech doesn't hold
                       a candle to convenience.
              \_ On one hand I agree that pasting URLs together when they
                 overflow the line is a PITA.  On the other hand, I dislike
                 that URL shorteners obfuscate the source of URLs.  Hmm... I
                 think that when I have a spare moment I'm going to build a
                 better url shortener which helps solve the obfuscation
                 problem.  PS Sign your posts -dans
                 \_ This has been suggested many times, but leads to <gasp>
                    urls that aren't actually that short.  I like http://csua.org
                    and http://tinyurl.com ones because they're as fast to type as to
                    paste: i just type "u abc" into my browser and I have
                    a little shortcut thingy and voila!
                    \_ Heh.  I had something a little slicker in mind.  It
                       involves ajax cleverness when shortened urls are posted
                       in web fora, and possibly a Mozilla plugin for places
                       like the motd.  Unfortunately, the Mozilla plugin still
                       creates a chicken/egg problem that I need to solve for
                       this to be truly slick. -dans
                 \_ http://lookleap.com might be useful. Resulting URLs
                    look like this: http://lookleap.com/maps.google.com/a5

2/15    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060215/od_nm/germany_confession_dc
        Forgive me, Father, for I have guns...
        German people are weird. Why is that?
        \_ "... church rules governing confession prevented him from revealing
           the man's identity."  Hmm, church rules are above law, okay.
           \_ Attorney client privilege is not codified in many countries, yet
              it's usually accepted as a reason for not divulging information.
              Or a journalist protecting his sources?  Even if it is not a
              legally valid reason, there is still precedent for it; if the
              police really want to know something, they can always have a
              subpoena issued; it is then your choice as to whether you will
              respect the subpoena or suffer the consequences.  -John
           \_ Actually, the privilege of a priest to refuse to divulge
              confidential information and the privilege of a penitent
              to prevent the priest from divulging confidential infor-
              mation have a long history of acceptance at common law.
              Many states, including CA, have codified these privileges
              in their evidence codes. In CA the privileges are codifed
              in Cal. Evid. Code Sec 1030-1034.

2/15    Cheney (finally) takes responsibility:
        http://csua.org/u/ezl (sfgate.com)
        "You can talk about all of the other conditions that exist at the time
         but that's the bottom line and . it was not Harry's fault," he said.
        "You can't blame anybody else. I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and
         shot my friend."
        \_ How ironic that he would only talk to Brit Hume.
           \_ why is that ironic? Brit is straightforward, honest looking,
              and above all, handsome. He is a gent and appeals to a lot
              of people in the midwest/south who relate to him well. Do
              you rather want to see squirly looking Alan Colme?
           \_ Alanis Morissette, is that you?  How is it ironic?
              \_ He made his big apology to the one high profile journalist
                 guaranteed not to ask him any tough questions.  He might as
                 well have gone on Larry King.  It's an "accountability moment"
                 with no accountability.
                 \_ That's not ironic at all.
                 \_ Not ironic, but it certainly further cements Fox's rep as
                    the Administrations Press Corps.
                    \_ That's a wee bit much.  Hume is conservative personally,
                       but will criticize the administration. Is Jon Stewart
                       the official DNC press?
                       \_ Oh please.  Show us an example of ol' Brit
                          criticizing the administration.

2/15    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060215/od_nm/germany_bed_dc
        Heil German John's younger brother!
        \_ Are we sure he didn't let a chick tie him up in anticipation of S&M,
           and then the chick changed her mind and left?

2/15    I know this has probably been asked before, but I can't find it
        in the archives:  is there a (Windows) tool to change metadata
        (date & time taken) of a large number of JPG photos?  I just realized
        that my camera's 12 hours off.  -John
        \_ http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/jhead  --dbushong
           \_ Many thanks.  -John

2/15    Companies with best compensation:
        http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/pay

2/15    new grad CS salaries slipping:
        http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/13/pf/college/starting_salaries/index.htm
        \_ ME higher than CS?  How did it happen?
           \_ MEs build stuff. It has to work. CS monkey's sit around im'ing
              and playing WOW while siping latte's. If the code doesn't work,
              release note it.

2/15    No more Greenspan-speak.  Bernanke sounds like a normal person compared
        to Greenspan.

2/15    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060215/cm_usatoday/relianceongovernmentstallsrebuilding
        In the era before the Great Society and Social Security,
        people were independent. Now, they're dependent leeches.
        Proof that the nigers in New Orleans are lazy and stupid.

2/15    Ann Coulter, felon
        http://www.palmbeachpost.com/celebrities/content/local_news/epaper/2006/02/15/a2a_josecol_0215.html

2/15    fuck you tom
        \_ tom, who posted this?
           \_ troll, who cares?
        \_ classy.

2/15    Seeing that the "What are your favorite old school computer games?"
        troll yields a lot more responses than the "What did you give/get
        for Valentine's Day?" troll really tells you a lot about sodans.

2/15    'Able Danger' Identified 9/11 Hijacker 13 times
        http://csua.org/u/ezw
        \_ Why do they keep saying "Clinton era" lawyers? Why didn't the
           Able Danger guys try to get permission to contact the FBI after
           Bush was sworn in? Or did they and the "Bush era" Justice Dept
           lawyers denied them, too? If so, why isn't that being reported?
        \_ jblack posted this.

2/15    New Torture images from Abu Ghirab released
        http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=55&p=20656&s2=15
        (warning, not for the faint of heart)
        \_ Yet not one picture of these 'cartoons'?
           \_ Um, heard of google?
              \_ In how many major publications are the cartoons?
        \_ curious about the timing, though.  why they release it now?
           \_ Some Aussie publishers were probably getting jealous that
              the US image in the middle east wasn't being tarnished as
              much by the European caricature fallout, so they decided to
              "correct" this situation.
           \_ The ACLU just won a FOIA challange.
                \_ The liberal media can't stand Muslims looking like
                barbarians, so they want to remind everyone the US is
                worse.
                \_ both muslims and US are barbarians.
                   \_ Only great han nation not barbarian.
                      \_ Everyone is a barbarian, only great GERMAN HANS
                         JOHN not barbarian. HEIL JOHN!
                      \_ indians are not barbarians either.  very
                         civilized country.
                         \_ Unless you are in the wrong caste.
                            \_ caste is slowly disappearing in india,
                               whereas social mobility has been getting
                               worse in the US the last 2 decades.
                               \_ Are you talking out of your ass or do you
                                  have reputable research that support
                                  your statement?
                                  \_ I read.  try to do the same, or if
                                     that's beyond your mental capacity,
                                     you can always use google as your
                                     brain.
                                  \_ I read.  you can always use google.
                               \_ If you don't like it then get the fuck
                                  out of my country             !williamc
                                  \_ i am just stating facts reported
                                     by the wsj.  no need to get all
                                     flustered.
                               \_ Repeat this five times to yourself,
                                  perhaps in front of a mirror, and
                                  you'll realize how stupid this sounds.
                                  \_ this whole thread is stupid,
                                     especially starting from the "liberal
                                     media" part.  yea, and the knee jerk
                                     "caste!" reaction whenever india is
                                     mentioned sure is intelligent.  you
                                     should look in the mirror yourself.
                                     \_ Civilized nations don't have castes
                                        in the 21st century, slowly
                                        disappearing or not. It's disingenuous
                                        to ignore that hideous aspect of
                                        Hindu culture. "Look in the
                                        mirror" indeed.
                                        \_ Civilized nations also don't
                                           torture people.
                                           \_ I disagree. Besides, the
                                              treatment of one's enemy
                                              is quite different from
                                              treatment of one's own people.
                                              \_ yea sure, the Hutus didn't
                                                 kill their own either.
                                                 They only butchered the
                                                 Tutsis.  So very
                                                 civilized.
                                                 \_ Do you have a point with
                                                    that comment? I'm sure
                                                    Pakistanis are treated
                                                    well in Kashmir, right?
                                                    \_ Do you have a point
                                                       with that comment?
                                                       Regardless of what
                                                       happens in Kashmir,
                                                       you are still as
                                                       civilized as a
                                                       baboon.
                                              \_ The treatment of ones
                                                 enemy is the clearest
                                                 indication of ones
                                                 worth.
                                                 I also fail to see how
                                                 you can compare the
                                                 caste system to torture.
                                                 What do you even know
                                                 about the caste system?
                                                 Did you know that most
                                                 brahmins were/are dirt
                                                 poor and depended on
                                                 poor and depend on
                                                 begging and handouts to
                                                 support themselves?
                                                 \- um this isnt true in any
                                                    meaningful way.
                                                    \_ My experience
                                                       indicates that
                                                       it is. We can
                                                       disagree, but
                                                       the domination
                                                       of the brahmins
                                                       is in my exp.
                                                       a grotesque
                                                       exaggeration of
                                                       the so-called
                                                       backwards com-
                                                       munities.
                                                 When one sees the plight
                                                 of the majority of the
                                                 "high born" one wonders
                                                 whether it is not a
                                                 curse, rather than a
                                                 blessing.
                                                 \_ Tell em to get jobs like
                                                    everyone else.
                                        \_ Why not? What exactly is the
                                           problem your perceive w/ the
                                           caste system? That your birth
                                           problem you have w/ the caste
                                           system? That your birth
                                           precludes you from becoming a
                                           hindu priest? For, in reality,
                                           that is the ONLY restriction
                                           which caste places on a man.
                                           hindu priest? In reality that
                                           is the ONLY restriction that
                                           caste places on a man.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040113/asp/nation/story_2780541.asp _/
http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0306/feature1
        \_ What does this have to do w/ the caste system?
           Those who act in this way do so w/ a completely
           incorrect understanding of the caste system.
           The caste system classifies men into certain
           stations based primarily on their conduct, not
           on their birth. Those who committed these crimes
           have no claim to any caste.
           To point to such people as the true and proper
           illustration of the caste system would be akin
           to pointing to hamas terrorists as the true and
           proper illustration of Islam or cross-buring KKK
           members as true and proper Christians.
           \_ The stuff in those links reflects on India and this is a thread
              where somebody claimed India is extra civilized.
              \_ wait.  what does this has to do with whether US and muslims
                 are barbarians?
           \_ I think someone here is in denial.

2/15    Bill Tierney, former UN weapons inspector and CENTCOM intelligence
        analyst, releases tapes of Saddam talking about the inevitability of a
        WMD attack on the U.S., even though Iraq would have no part of it, and
        the effort to hide an Iraqi biological WMD program from inspectors:
        http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Investigation/story?id=1616996
        Mr. Tierney was also convinced Saddam had a nuclear capability, and
        obtained the location of Saddam's uranium enrichment plant by talking
        with God:
        http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/02/14.html
        Mr. Tierney passionate about standing vigil for Terri Schiavo:
        http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/28/national/28scene.html

2/15    "Mom, Daughter Have Babies 90 Minutes Apart"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060216/ap_on_fe_st/mother_daughter_births
        I wonder if they got pregnant at the same time ... in the same bed ...
        from the same guy.  Hot!
        \_ I'd die for it if they are Gastineau Girls hot.
           \_ Okay, never heard of them, so I googled.  The daughter's not bad,
              but I think the mother looks pretty ragged.
              \_ Lisa's (the mom's) body looks hot on TV.  Definitely MILF.
                 BTW Lisa and Britney share bras:
                 BTW Lisa and Britney wear the same size bra:
                 http://www.eonline.com/On/GastineauGirls/GirlTalk