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| 2006/2/8-10 [Science/Space, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:41759 Activity:nil |
2/8 This is INSANELY funny. Or, it would be if it weren't so prevalent
a pattern in Bushco
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/007628.php |
| 2006/2/8 [Recreation/Dating, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:41760 Activity:kinda low |
2/7 God, I'm so love sick I'm miserable. What to do to get my mind off?
\_ if you want to get her off your mind you don't love her.
\_ good troll. Surf for other trolls.
\_ You need to talk to DER FURIOUS.
\_ Concentrate on all the pain and suffering that can come out of
a relationship gone bad. Think about how much time and money
and energy this could cost you.
\_ Ask her/him/it out. Solves the problem one way or another. -dans
\_ This is as good as it will ever get, and it can only go down hill
from here. Walk away. |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:41762 Activity:kinda low |
2/8 Coretta King's funeral was attended by four presidents. Was there
anyone else, beside incumbent or ex- presidents, who ever had such
honor in his/her funeral?
\_ did you watch the CNN commentary? did you hear the broadcaster
making snide comments about hillary clinton running
for president? couldn't they have waited till after
the funeral? bleah.
\_ I read the Yahoo news article and most speakers were trying to
make their political points in the funeral.
\_ "most"? Do you know who Coretta King is? What she did? What
her friends who spoke there do? Do you even know why you're
upset that any of them brought up politics? You're extrapo-
lating a few seconds in a multi-hour service into a molehill
lating a few seconds in a multi-hour service into a scandal
because you've been told that's what happened.
\_ Of course I know. Coretta is Rodney King's wife. (Geez.)
\_ Oh my god, the funeral of someone who spent their life
fighting political battles had eulogies that we about
those exact same battles. How DARE they!
\_ And yet they won't let me piss on Reagan's grave...
\_ Four Presidents and a Funeral.
\_ Four Presidents and a Funeral. Where's Monica?
\_ I'm not 100% but I think several world leaders and presidents
attended MacArthur's and Patton's funerals. |
| 2006/2/8 [Recreation/Dating, Recreation/Humor] UID:41763 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
2/8 gayest thing ever
http://www.hugi.is/hahradi/bigboxes.php?box_id=51208&f_id=1471 |
| 2006/2/8-9 [Reference/Religion] UID:41764 Activity:nil 92%like:41780 |
2/8 The three fake images used to inflame Muslims against Denmark:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/02/islamic-society-of-denmark-used-fake.html
\_ Is this site similar to http://www.theonion.com
\_ No, it's just a blog. Somehow, though, they manage to blame
evil liberals by the first comment.
\_ I didn't see the comments, it was just the easiest link I found
to the three fake images. -op
\_ Does anyone have links to the real images that the Danish
printed? |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:41765 Activity:moderate |
2/8 linxu, what is it you guys want from us alumni? Many of us are
old, disillusioned, lonely, pathetic, and pissed off engineers.
Many of us are single, still virgin, and almost 40 years of
age! I'm not so sure that hooking up old and pissed off alumni
with you happy and optimistic youngin' is actually a good thing
for you guys. Seriously, don't do engineering and GET A LIFE outside
of Soda! Screw coding, debugging, and sysadm. It's all meaningless
and dry, and will get outsourced to India and China anyways. How
about ditching your new technical mentoring program and instead
concentrate on things that'll make your life to be more
fulfilling when you're older. For example get someone from Cal
MBA to do tech entrepreneurial talk, or get hooked up with the
busadm people, like doing a CSUA+MBA+busadm event. Seriously, there
are so many fine opportunities and fine women outside of Soda.
You deserve to have a better life than many of us uninformed
alumni when we were young and stupid and didn't know what we
were doing. -disillusioned virgin, should have done something else
\_ I think its much more for those alumni who would be interested in
meeting the current politburo and office hosers. I know a few
graduated alumns who I think would come and would be nice to see
again. This is not necessarily a networking to get current students
jobs or ellicit donations, but just to involve the alumni with the
club more. When I'm an alum I'd like to go to something occasion-
ally to see how the club is currently functioning. This is very
much geared to friendly alumns, so if you are just angry and bitter
(and don't want to at least act friendly) you probably want to stay
home. -mrauser
\_ maybe you should move to an asian country where your poor
english skills will be less of a barrier to finding eligible
women.
\_ speak for yourself. I could have learned a lot from alumni
when I was in school if I hadn't been too busy playing on MUDs
chasing after women--things I had to learn myself after I
graduated and had to figure out what I wanted to do with my life.
Good idea on the MBA entrepreneurial talk, though. That could be
pretty useful.
\_ But would you have really listened to the bitter old men or
dismiss them as, well, old and bitter virgins?
\_ Well, I've found the "bitter old virgin" stereotype to be
mostly untrue -- except in a few cases where it's more a
problem of attitude than geek culture. And yes, I'd have
listened to Soda's elder statesmen for general advice about
"what happens next", and I'd have looked out for the
opportunity to network with people in industry. Maybe you
should get some counseling or something, man, since you seem
really unhappy and have a pretty self-defeating attitude...
unless you're happy being a old bitter virgin.
unless you're happy being an old bitter virgin.
\_ Nah, I was an arrogant kid in college and didn't listen
to any "elder statesmen" who might have showed up (and
few did). Lots of others were the same. It makes me wonder
if having an alumni meeting is worth it.
\_ The purpose of an alumni meeting is for alumni to meet
college girls. Maybe you're too old already though.
\_ Hey nineteen, that's Aretha Franklin. She don't
remember the Queen of Soul.
\_ Assuming you're the op, so you were an arrogant in
college and now you're a bitter old virgin. Perhaps
it's time for a change in strategy? In the mean time,
please don't be a bitter dour naysayer of good ideas
just because you wouldn't have benefited from them back
when you were a young ass. -dans
\_ Sorry, !op. The op is obviously trolling. I am
expressing the fact that in college, the last
thing I wanted to hear is old farts talking about
their glorious college days. If it's going talking
about the stuff they are doing now, that's better.
\_ Then why didn't you say that an alumni meeting
where they talk about what they are doing now >>
alumni reminiscing about college instead of
merely expressing vague, bitter, dour, naysayer
misgivings? Seriously though, thanks for the
clarification, I think it's important. -dans
\_ No agenda mentioned. Assumed it was going
bitter, old virgins showing complaining about
the motd and their ideas of improving {unix,
nethack,BSG} all of which include more full
frontal MOTAS nudity.
to whatever "elder statesmen" who might have showed up
(and none did). Lots of others were the same. It makes
me wonder if having an alumni meeting worth it.
\_ That's funny. All the CSUA allumni I
\_ That's funny. All the CSUA alumni I
know personally are a lot of fun,
including the above dans. I wanted to
go just because it would be fun.-jrleek
\_ I like feeding the myth. And I troll too.
\_ Speak for yourself. I'm a happy, married, going-on-30-year-old
engineer. I've liked every job I've had and can't imagine doing
anything else. I got my first few jobs because of all of the time
I spent fiddling on the computer instead of { studying, having a
life, going outside, etc } while in school.
\_ Speak for yourself, I'm a happy mid-twentiesomthing alum. I'm
totally into the latest of a string of hot girlfriends that began
\_ pixP
\_ #t
Stop being anal about this, P-guy. ___P _/
was first popularized with foodP, which if
people had really only responded with #t and nothing else
wouldn't have been a very useful thing. It just means
____? these days, deal with it.
\_ I date hot girls
because I like them,
not so I can parade
them around like some
sort of trophy for you
to ogle. -pp
\_ ___P and #t are also mismatched conventions.
\_ ___P ==> ___predicate...ie, boolean. You know...#t/#f.
\_ I'm referring to mixing LISP vs. Scheme conventions.
\_ Okay, this is where we tell the joke about there being
10 kinds of people in the world, those who can count in
binary and those who can't, thereby officially
consigning this argument to the nerd humor graveyard
after killing it, digging it up, and killing the zombie
corpse again. -dans
\_ Speaking of zombies, I thought Cemetary Man kind
of rocked. That was a great film. I've never
been as impressed with the Romero Quartet, though.
*shrug*
\_ I'll have to check that out. Thanks. -dans
\_ analP
\_ correctP
back in my undergrad days. As an undergrad I spent lots of time
geeking out, learned a lot, but still made time for a social life
(not necessarily out of Soda, but a social life nonetheless). The
time spent geeking out definitely led to the jobs I've held. I
left my most recent gig in November, took a few months off, and am
excited about the prospects for what's next.
\_ what about happy old virgins?
\_ Ah reminds me of the good old days where CS8 (Pascal) was a
Business Admin requirement (logic, you know) and, as a reader or
lab aide, the access to cute women was easy...
\_ To the lonely 40 year-old virgin sodan, if you are truly
depressed, and want to do something about your life before
it is too late (or before your sperm all dries up), move
out of Silicon Valley, seriously! If I am in your
situation, I would seriously consider working in another
country (especially Asian country such as China) for a few
years instead of rotting in the Silicon Valley waiting for
something to happen. You don't have to work I the tech
field, teach English, or be a fool and appear in their TV
shows! Apply for graduate school there. If you work there
for a few years you'll get to know the girl better so you
have more to base your decision on. It's an equal playing
field. It'll be the opposite of Silicon Valley for you. You
get to say "sorry, I am flattered, but I am not
interested!". Or you can continue to bitch and moan about
being a virgin on soda.
\_ That's only if you want to date Asian women, NTTAWWT. I
guess it might work also in Latin America, in which case
you are an f-ing genius. |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:41766 Activity:nil |
2/8 Syntax aside, is there any difference in Java between the instanceof
operator and Class.isInstance(Object) ?
\_ Not sure if this is syntax, but instanceof doesn't work w/
Class.forName(). You have to have a static class name for
instanceof. [ at least this was the case when I last did
java work ] |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Politics/Domestic] UID:41767 Activity:nil |
2/8 Ok, this is a pretty funny political cartoon:
http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/06.02.07.WestDhimmi-X.gif
\_ Not particularly.. Right wing kneejerks are blaming liberals
for not standing up for free speech. I haven't heard one
progressive commentator say anything like this. I've seen
newspapers make editorial decisions not to show them, but
right-wingers are filling in the other side of the argument
without bothering to ask. Fuck this.
It _is_ heartening, however, that the right is rediscovering
their love of free speech.
\_ Until another Piss Christ shows up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ
\_ Michelle Malkin is coming to do another Berkeley show?
\_ So when did the Christians start rioting and burning shit
en masse over the PC exhibit? It was in poor taste and most
people just ignored it. A few people from any crowd will go
ballistic over anything. It takes a truly messed up
society to burn embassies over some cartoons.
\_ You are obvioulsy mixing the issues. Nice try, meathead. |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:41768 Activity:nil |
2/8 America hearts Saudi Arabia
http://csua.org/u/exl (Reuters)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/08/cartoon.protests/index.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/5/13149/60748
"The 350 pilgrims were killed on January 12 and soon after [Hajj
fatalities], Saudi newspapers (which are all controlled by the state)
began running up to 4 articles per day condemning the Danish cartoons.
The Saudi government asked for a formal apology from Denmark. When
that was not forthcoming, they began calling for world-wide protests."
\_ Juan Cole's take:
http://www.juancole.com/2006/02/fact-file-on-reaction-to-danish.html
\_ shit, I need a blogger account to reply to his entry.
but basically, what I want to say is, "Can't they both be true?"
That is, Juan Cole's chronology may be entirely accurate, but
this does not preclude Saudi Arabia from suddenly turning up
the heat 10 notches.
\_ I think Juan is saying even if SA turned up the heat, it
doesn't diminish the authenticity of the outrage.
\_ that is one of the things he says, but he also says,
"the allegation that this thing was fanned by Saudi Arabia
does not seem to be substantiated by the FBIS" |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:41769 Activity:kinda low |
2/8 Satellite view of your neighborhood with price estimates for ALL
neighboring houses. By the founder of http://expedia.com:
(works on IE for me, doesn't work with FF + flashblock,
also, if you click on details for a property, you can get a graph
of its estimated value over the last 1/5/10 years - christ, what
happened in Jan '04?)
http://www.zillow.com
\_ Bush said he would try to make everyone a homeowner. Greenspan
acted by 1) lowering interest rate even further and 2) saying
in public to the effect that anyone who paid off his/her home
isn't investing wisely. But rather than getting everyone a home,
those who already had a few decided to get even more, and started
the arms race to own more homes.
http://www.zillow.com
\_ How are the prices estimated? It says my home in Fremont doubled
its value since Jan '04! Well, I don't think so.
\_ http://tinyurl.com/b6uf9 (latimes.com)
"Zillow would pore over county records and other government data
on 60 million homes nationwide. It then would use proprietary
computer analysis to determine current values ...
Providing a home's history, including all past sales
transactions, tax assessments and other details ..."
(yes, it does have current property tax and past sales dates, at
least through '96 for my previous home)
\_ Works fine in FF + Flashblock if you add http://www.zillow.com to the
Flashblock whitelist. --dbushong
\_ still having trouble with moz/ff with whitelist.
\_ Bush said he would try to make everyone a homeowner. Greenspan
acted by 1) lowering interest rate even further and 2) saying
in public to the effect that anyone who paid off his/her home
isn't investing wisely. But rather than getting everyone a home,
those who already had a few decided to get even more, and started
the arms race to own more homes.
\_ queueing lafe who may have something to say about the current
state of economy that seems to put those who have little
(lafe) at a much greater disadvantage for buying homes.
\_ url on Greenspan item 2?
I know real estate agents have lots of fun saying that:
http://csua.com/?entry=39331
\_ Sour grape.
\_ A country with a planned economy won't have this problem. |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Law/Court] UID:41770 Activity:low |
2/8 I just got a traffic ticket and I intend to fight it all the way.
Step 1-- I just activated my one time extension from Feb to April.
To plead not guilty I need to write them a check and on top write
NOT GUILTY, then a new court date will be assigned. Should I write
a check now, or wait until it's closer to April? I've been told
that the longer I wait, the less likely the cop will show up.
Any other advice? Thanks.
\_ Be sure to do your legal research. I suggest starting with
Marbury v. Madison.
\_ There's a social engineering way to find out what days the cop
who gave you the tickey has off.
\_ I went to fight a ticket and I'll be damned if the cop didn't
show up. Surprised the hell out of me, since it was LAPD and
not some hick police force. However, I won anyway. Woo hoo!
\_ So you thought he was gonna stay at the donut shop? Cops get
paid extra $200-300 a day for showing up at the courthouse,
as it is one of the biggest revenue sources at the CHP.
\_ I thought LAPD would have bigger problems than my stupid
ticket, which I won anyway. |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:41771 Activity:nil |
2/8 In windows XP, programs sometimes crash; it's a fact of life. Is there
any way I can disable the oh-so-helpful "report this crash to MS"
dialog box?
\_ If you want the original [error occurred at address x, click OK
to terminate, Cancel to debug] go to System Properties -> Advanced
-> Error Reporting. |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:41772 Activity:very high |
2/8 Does anyone else feel that these stupid demonstrations by Muslims
(including the Paris riots) are actually working against Al Qaeda?
I mean, it seems they are uniting the US and Europe against them.
\_ Muslims that used to fight each other have lately been solidified
by the cartoon and are uniting with each other in protest to
what they perceive as the big white oppressive dickheads that
keep interfering with the Middle East. So, you're the stupid one.
\_ Isn't it more important to stay on good terms with Europe
than with some extremist faction(s)?
\_ Al Qaeda are insane. Not in the deprecating "we just don't
understand their 'otherness'" sort of way... literally certifiably
insane. There isn't some master group that's planning all activities
of all groups that claim to be Al Qaeda (another problem) for some
grand, achieveable, sensible goal. They're batshit.
\_ We should give Al Quaida more credit. They are kicking the
shit out of us in Iraq. They're a lot smarter than you think
they are.
\_ You're an idiot. No such thing is happening in Iraq. Stop
using KOS as your primary news source. AlQ is a bunch of
psychotics whose primary 'tactic' is sending other people's
children into crowds of civilians to blow themselves up which
pisses off all the locals. The local insurgents will whither
away and stop blowing shit up as we reduce troop levels and
the new central government gains its footing. We can and
are reducing troop levels because AlQ has been getting
butchered.
\_ Death rate up? Check.
Electricity production down? Check.
Oil production down? Check.
Are we losing the war in Iraq? Yes.
It doesn't take Kos to see that, just a sober and
honest assessment of quantifiable statistics.
\_ Death rate up from what? When Saddam was killing 5k
a month of his own people?
Electricity down from what? When Saddam was cutting
off the south from power to punish and keep them in
line?
Oil production down? From foreign terrorists killing
local oil engineers and sabotaging pipelines here and
there, but less often than before?
Losing? Absolutely not. Complete and utter crap.
Your 'sober and honest assessment' needs some serious
reassessing. Adding something called "context" wouldn't
hurt either. While we're at it, let's not mention the
nation wide votes they've had that went off with no
serious events and that the Sunni's didn't boycott the
most recent one. Join us out here in the real world
where both good and bad things happen but where over
time the good things increase while the bad things
decrease. KosWorld is a dark, ugly, depressing place
and not reality based.
\_ And Bushworld is a happy, pretty place with flowers
and candy. Yeah, life may suck in Iraq, but it
doesn't suck because of Saddam any more! Yay!
And it only took $430 billion to do it! Yay!
And it only took $430 billion (so far) to do it! Yay!
\_ That's a weak rhetorical ploy. If you can't
respond to the charge, bang your shoe on the
table and get sarcastic and bitter. Maybe
next time you'll bring some facts along to help
you out. Too bad the facts aren't on your side.
\_ "less than before" "complete and utter crap"
"saddam did it worse". You call these strong
arguments? You've offered no facts, and by
all accounts, you're full of shit. Granted,
those accounts are hard to come by because
JOURNALISTS CAN'T DO THEIR FUCKING JOB BECAUSE
IRAQ IS A SHITHOLE BECAUSE OF OUR FAILURE.
\_ I gave a summary for the simple/closed
minded of facts that should be known. That
you're unaware the Saddam used the
electric system as a political control or
killed thousands of his own peoeple every
month is not entirely your fault. As you
say, the journalists aren't doing their
jobs and only give us the bad side so people
like you who are unable or unwilling to dig
deeper to find the truth are left believing
in the "quagmire" and "vietnam" DNC fax
points idiocy. Stop reading KOS.
\_ #1: wtf is KOS? I obviously don't
read it.
\_ "Obviously"? You claim not to
but sure sound like a daily
reader. "obviously" is not the
word I would have chosen esp.
for someone on the motd with
your political bias. The motd
has had numerous Kos links on
it for a long time. Unless
you're brand new here, I find it
extremely unlikely you're not
only never read it but don't even
know the name. Whatever. Make
any BS claim you'd like in that
regard. I don't care what you
read. It won't help you since
your mind is already made up.
YOU SMART! THEM DUMB!
#2: If you believe that we've won the
war in Iraq, why don't you prove
your confidence by moving over
there and living there for a
couple years. Obviously, living
in the United States, you have never
ever experienced living in a
war-zone, let alone a war that
is illegitimate.
\_ Don't misquote me. I never said
we won Iraq. We're still there,
duh. So there's some magical
difference for civilians in a
"ligitimate war" vs an
"illigitmate war"? Riiiight.
You're way too into your own
politics to think clearly. War
is bad, k?
#3: I think you should be happy that
you will never have a smart bomb
drop on your wedding. Now stop
trying to make it seem like the
Iraqis have it good.
\_ We carpet bombed German cities
and fire bombed Dresden. I
feel bad for the civilians of
all wars, but as these things
go, Iraq was pretty easy on
the civilian population. Are
you opposed to all war for any
reason? What is your answer to
Darfur? Should we ignore it as
we have? How many civilians
continue to die there and many
other places throughout history
while "good men stood by and
did nothing"?
#4: Better yet, if one day we have
higher taxes because of all the
money we've spent on this war
(and hence one of the reasons
for our all-time high federal
deficit), I want YOU to personally
volunteer to pay more taxes
because you are in support of our
government wasting money out there.
Obviously supporting the war and
not wanting to back it up with
your wallet is hypocritical.
\_ Sure, do I get to *not* pay
the share that goes to other
things I disagree with? I'll
make out really well. I'd be
quite happy if I only had to
pay for the things government
does that I like. Since I like
so few of them my taxes would
drop to near zero. What would
your tax burden look like? You
call me a hypocrite before you
got an answer. I'm sorry, but
you're flat out dead wrong. I'd
be very very happy to be taxed
under your "only pay for what
you like" plan. Right now our
taxes are the lowest they've
been in decades and are due to
automagically rise again at the
end of the 10 year tax cut deal.
I'd be surprised if they did
anything but go up given where
they are now and the history of
taxation in this country and
others but it won't have a damned
thing to do with Iraq.
\_ Oh, I think you'll see more appeasement and self-censorship from
Europe. "Islam is protected by an invisible blasphemy law. It
is called fear."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-2025314,00.html
\_ While I agree that the Muslim riots are really hurting thier cause
in the long run, your claiming that Muslim = Al Quaeda
(even radical muslim = Al Quaeda) is either a major troll or
racist bullshit, and probably both.
\_ Where did I claim that all Muslims = Al Qaeda? However, Al Qaeda
certainly seems to support these activities and yet it works
against them. IOW, I don't see bin Laden issuing a video
telling the rioters to stay calm. I'm sure he also sees,
say, this cartoon, as blasphemy.
\_ you are an idiot. alqueda sees all westerners as agents
of satan. it doesn't care what satan say or not say. it
just want to destroy them.
\_ If you use "Al Qaeda" in the greater sense, meaning something like
"the body of people in the muslim world who actively or tacitly
support cutting the heads off infidels and things like honor
killings and sharia", I hope that the recent collective temper
tantrum may cause at least a few people who use their brains to
re-evaluate their position. I also assume there are a fair
number of educated and decent muslims who're aghast at this. That
said, I believe this will western societies to think much more
critically about islam, and to tolerate less of the whingeing,
bullying snits you tend to see when someone feels offended by the
evil crusaders. -John
\_ moderate muslims are losing the war against fundamentalists
because western imperialists keep helping the fundamentalists
by doing stupid things like invading Iraq.
\_ there are no "moderate muslims". it's a myth. who exactly
are these mythical "moderate muslims"? Can you name any?
I believe your so-called "moderate muslims" are the normal
people who just want to live their lives and be left alone.
The average "muslim in the street" is not going to take up
arms or in any other meaningful way stand up to AlQ, Hamas,
Fatah, etc. Quite the contrary, Hamas just got *elected*
if you'll recall. You have no friends among the "moderate
muslims" for there are none.
\_ er .... the muslim world is bigger than you realize.
\_ the average Iraqi is pretty much a moderate, until
your stupid president and his lackeys decided to
invade the country illegally. I came from a country
with 20% muslims and my work group of 7 has two muslims,
so give me the bullshit about no moderate muslims.
your stupid president and his gang decided to
invade the country illegally.
invade the country illegally. even now, most
Iraqis are still moderates, including many of those
who just want to kick you out of Iraq. there are
some bad terrorists, but most of those are
foreigners. there is also a general shift
toward fundamentalism especially among the
toward fundamentalism among the
shiites cause they are falling under the
influence of the iranian mullahs again thanks
to your stupid war.
\_ The stupid war makes a pretty convenient scapegoat.
Anti-Americanism (and anti-Westernism, anti-secularism,
and anti-not-killing-your-daughter-for-being-rapederism)
are widespread in large portions of the muslim world
that haven't been invaded by the US (or anyone.) You'll
note the popularity of Bin Laden #1 Fan Club t-shirts
on the streets of Pakistan and Jakarta and wherever
after 9/11--well before the stupid war. The Iraq war,
while fought on dishonest premises, is just a
convenient excuse and outlet for thugs. Think again,
young padawan, cosmic truths may be revealed. -John
\_ killing your daughter for being raped is more
tribal than islamic. indonesians were mostly
pro-US before the Iraq war, and last I check both
it and its neighbour malaysia have become more
and more democratic moving away from one party
rule. many surveys have shown that there is
considerable goodwill towards America and what
it represents among the common people in
many muslim countries, but that it had evaporated
since the illegal and unjustifiable invasion of
iraq.
\_ BZZZT!!! Sorry. They're both one 'party'
dictatorships. Name the 'other party'
that ran in the last election in either
country. Oh wait. There wasn't an
election in either place. Why do you
insist on coming here and saying such
trivially destroyed lies? Do you really
think you're fooling anyone? If you're
going to troll, you need to base your
garbage on half-truths at least. Trolling
from a position of truth is always the
best way to get under people's skin. The
Young Troll Advisory Board has rated this
troll as: WEAK!
\_ Really? How come this economist
article says you are talking out
of your arse?:
http://tinyurl.com/cb4m6
rule. many surveys have shown that there is
considerable goodwill towards America and what
it represents among the common people in
many muslim countries, but that it evaporated
after the illegal and unjustifiable invasion of
many muslim countries, but that it had evaporated
since the illegal and unjustifiable invasion of
iraq.
\_ The Economist says you are
talking out of your arse:
http://tinyurl.com/cb4m6
\_ It's not unjustifiable. Illegal? Why don't you
report it to the police?
\_ Illegal as in without the expressed
authorization of the United Nations. But
not even that... we didn't even have the
consensus agreement of the world to invade
Iraq. We just unilaterally invaded the
country. Complete bull-shit. Why do you
think so many people are rooting for our
downfall? Obviously, by abusing our superpower
status, we aren't earning any friends.
\_ don't tell me, tell your friends in Europe,
Canda, Asia who were predominantly against
Canada, Asia who were predominantly against
the war.
\_ Undoubtedly the war hasn't helped, but claiming
that these muslim countries were hotbed of happy
pro-American sentiment before it is sort of
silly. -John
\_ Nobody is claiming that. Also don't confuse
being moderate with being pro-American.
\_ Read pp's post. He said "Indonesians were
mostly pro-US before the Iraq war." Cosmic
truths may be revealed to you. -John
\_ "These muslim countries" >> "Indonesia".
"considerable goodwill" != "hotbed of
happy pro-American sentiment".
Learn to read.
\_ "These muslim countries" in reference
to Indonesia and Malaysia. As you
say, learn to read. Supreme cosmic
truths may be revealed. -John
\_ In Indonesia, US popularity
was 61% in early 2002,
plummeted to 15% in 2004,
rebounding to 30+ percent
after Tsunami efforts.
\_ oh wow, you win. |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Politics/Foreign, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:41773 Activity:low |
2/8 http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/08/technology/yahoo_china/index.htm YHOO more fucked up than GOOG "The choice is not whether to comply with law enforcement demands for information. The choice is whether to remain in the country. We believe that the Internet is a positive force in China." -Mary Osako, Yahoo! Director of Communications \_ What don't you agree with in that quote? That makes sense to me... I'm not talking about the case as a whole, just that quote. --dbushong \_ Well, I think it would have been more honest of Ms. Osako to say: "By complying with law enforcement demands, we can remain in the country, and we believe that Yahoo!'s presence is a positive force in China." What she has said reeks of dishonesty and marketing bullshit, IMO. \_ ...if you say so. \_ Do you expect them to say the really honest thing "By complying with law enforcement demands, we can remain in country X, and we believe that Yahoo!'s presence in country X is going to bring in huge profits for the company. If it just so happens that Yahoo!'s presence is a positive force in country X, that's good."? \_ nah, i like my quote better. it offers the "hope" of being honest \_ i want a plausible lie, not one that says, "you fucks, why are you making me lie, i'm going to say something ridiculous so you know i'm lying" |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Industry/Startup] UID:41774 Activity:low |
2/8 Shame! I'm glad I don't work there anymore.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=internetNews&storyid=2006-02-09T030219Z_01_PEK27612_RTRUKOC_0_US-CHINA-YAHOO.xml&rpc=22
\_ Did you get rich from your stock options though?
\_ No. I got my paycheck and quit after a short time because
working there sucked. All the dirty stuff came out after I
quit and only makes me feel that much better about having quit,
so I don't have to convince myself everyday that my place of
work isn't evil.
\_ Where do you work now? |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Uncategorized] UID:41775 Activity:nil |
2/8 NSA Wiretapping Discussion in 130 Wheeler @ 7 PM tomorrow (2/9).
\_ Is this just you, or is there some department sponsoring this?
Sounds sort of interesting. -mrauser
\_ I'm not sure if any dept. is sponsoring this, but I saw
it mentioned on the BCR and BCD mailing lists. |
| 2006/2/8-10 [Uncategorized] UID:41776 Activity:nil |
2/8 If I were a pissed off Al Qaeda who wants to get back at the
Danes, I'd terrorize them by replacing all the Twinkie
fillings with rotten Twinkie fillings. This will cause
so much fear that it'll halt most of the Danish economy. |
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