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2005/12/18-20 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:41063 Activity:high
12/16   http://edu.ocac.gov.tw/lang/taiwanese/s1.htm
        I'm looking for full versions of the traditional Taiwanese
        songs like the ones above. Where can I find them?
        \_ There are lots of free Minan songs from mainland China here,
           so you'll see simplified characters:
           http://www.buxiao.com/10.htm
           http://www.buxiao.com/Person/2124.htm (children's songs)
           By the way why do people say Taiwanese when it didn't
           originate from Taiwan?
           \_ related question, how come some of the old Taiwanese songs
              sound just like Japanese songs?
              \_ because pro-independent minded Taiwanese for some reason
                 admires Japan and missed the day of brutal Japanese
                 occupations.
              \_ because taiwan had been a japanese colony, and many older
                 taiwanese were japanese educated.
                 \_ there is more than that.  A lot of my friends' parents
                    grand parents were Japanese educated too in Manchuria
                    but they *HATE* Japanese to a point that they don't mind
                    to start another war to settle the old score.
                    \_ Manchuria was different.  Japanese was much more
                       brutal there especially given that guerilla
                       resistance was rampant in Manchuria.  Also, Japanese
                    \_ Manchuria was different.  Japanse ruled Taiwan for
                       a much longer time under more peaceful conditions.
                    \_ Manchuria was different.  Japan ruled Taiwan for
                       a much longer time under peaceful conditions.
                       Japanese was much more brutal in Manchuria,
                       especially given that guerilla resistance was rampant
                       there.  Also, Japanese
                       especially given that guerilla resistance was
                       rampant there.  Also, Japanese
                       rule of Manchuria was never secure, even after 1931.
                       You may ask, why is there less resistance in Taiwan.
                       Well, cause Qing China gave the island away, while
                       KMT and CCP never officially gave up on Manchuria,
                       even though the initial conventional resistance
                       even though the initial conventional resistance (1931)
                       even though the initial conventional resistance in 1931
                       was rather pathetic.  Also, there were plenty of
                       people in Manchuria who collaborated with the
                       Japanese.  My mom's side is from Manchuria, so I would
                       love to believe that Dong Bei Ren (people from
                       love to believe that Dong Bei Ren (i.e. people from
                       Manchuria) were all red-blooded patriots, but that's
                       not really true, unfortunately.
                       not really true if you study history.
                       \_ First of all, Japanese killed more than 600,000
                          Taiwanese during the 50 years of occupation (out of
                          total population of less than 3 million)
                          I wouldn't consider that a "peaceful occupation."
                          Secondly, Qing didn't "give it away."  Qing only gave
                          up after *ALL* its navy vessels and half of its army
                          got annihilated.   These are two facts that
                          Taiwanese love to ignore in order to justify its
                          independent agenda.
           \_ because they need an excuse to justify their reason for
              taking lands away from the aborigines and impose discrimentory
              immigration and birth policies toward others.
              \_ so you're ready to give up your house, apartment, etc to the
                 tribe that once lived on it?
                 \_ If you don't care about compensate aborigines for land
                    grabbing and genocide, then, stop crying faul for
                    228 incident.
                    \_ Taiwan government already paid compensation for
                       families of 228 victims a few years back.  When will
                       commie PRC pay families of Tiananmen victims?
                                             - Chicom Troll
                       \_ Has American pay compensation to the Bonus Army in
                          1932?  Did French ever compensate to the Algerian
                          Revolution?  give me a fucking break
                          \_ Who's talking about Americans?  Are you so
                             devoid of self respect that you constantly
                             need to lower yourself to the level of
                             Americans?  We citizens of the Heavenly
                             Americans?  We citizens of the Middle
                             Kingdom should be more righteous, more just,
                             and more compassionate than the lowly
                             Americans.  Have some self-pride please.
                             Don't compare yourself to animals, or you
                             will forever be beneath them.
                             Don't compare yourself to swines, or you
                             will forever be just as dirty as them.
                             Don't use swines as yardsticks, or you
                             will forever be as dirty as them.
                             Kingdom should be more righteous,
                             more compassionate, more courageous and
                             more willing to fight against injustices
                             than the lowly Americans.  Have some
                             self-pride please.  Don't use swines as
                             yardsticks, or you will forever be as
                             dirty as them.
                                              - chicom troll
                       \_ I think the poster who asked "why do people say
                          Taiwanese ..." was referring to the dialect, not the
                          race/ethnicity.
                          \_ the dialect is called "Ming Nan."  If you want to
                             be specific, the dialect is actually coming from
                             the city of XiaMen.  Remember there is a
                             significant percentage of Hekka population who
                             is been in Taiwan as long as rest of the Ming Nan
                             fractions. To say Ming Nan is "taiwanese" implies
                             those Hekka and abroginies are not.
        \_ Try http://yesasia.com, they have a bunch of CD's from asia.  I can't
           read Chinese, but searching on "taiwan" finds a bunch of CDs
           and/or artists.  You can also search in Chinese. -oj
           http://us.yesasia.com/en/Search/SearchResult.aspx
2005/12/18-19 [Science/GlobalWarming, Science/Electric] UID:41064 Activity:kinda low
12/17   Has anyone used a led lightbulb like this? How bright is it compared
        to a regular light blub?
        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B8YY3A
        \_ That's LED, not led. Anyways, I really don't understand this
           fascination with energy saving bulbs. In a typical home,
           lighting uses less than 15% of the total electricity. Most
           goes to creating/removing heat (AC, frig). What is the point
           of spending money on expensive light bulbs that'll only cut
           energy cost by 5%?
           \_ A 100W equivalent compact fluourescent saves you something like
              $30 over the life of the bulb, IIRC.  Why would you not want to
              do that?  They also produce much much less heat, which will save
              on cooling costs.  Percentages are great, but money is money.
              --dbushong
           \_ Replacing bulbs in ceilings is a chore?
              \_ I don't have cooling problems.  I want my place warmer.  Would
                 you think I'd be better off over all using these bulbs and
                 then turning the heat up more or leaving the heat lower and
                 keeping my regular bulbs?
                 \_ Your logic applies in winter, but not in summer.
                 \_ Do you heat with electric or gas?
           \_ Because replacing bulbs in ceilings is a chore?
           \_ Cutting back 15% would mean we wouldn't have to drill in ANWR
        \_ According to cyberguys' web page, it outputs 32 lumens and is
           equivalent only to a 15W incandescent: http://csua.org/u/ecv
           \_ Umm, the one at cyberguys's is 18 LED version and the one at
              Amazon is 36 LED version from a differernt company, even.
              \_ Oops.  Wrong one. http://csua.org/u/ecw
                 55 lumens and 25W (which isn't even double the 18 LED version,
                 go figure).  How do you know it's a different company?
                 The Amazon page doesn't list the manufacturer; SmartHome is
                 a retailer, and it looks the same to me.
                 \_ 25W?  I can't even find the floor with 25W.  --old n blind
                    \_ Make sure you are comparing apples to apples ... A
                       14W fluorescent bulb puts out the same light as a 40W
                       incandescent ... I imagine LED lights are even more
                       efficient.
2005/12/18-20 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:41065 Activity:nil
12/18   With FreeBSD's sysinstall program, is there a way to search for
        packages by name only and not by description?  That is, if I search
        for perl, can I filter out all the zillion modules that happen to
        mention "perl" in their description?  Alternatively, is there a way
        to navigate the long lists of packages without continuously using
        page-up/page-down? (Why are the first letters highlighted in a
        different color if they aren't mnemonics?) Is the answer simply:
        "don't use sysinstall, use ports"?
        \_ either use
           cd /usr/ports; make search name=whatyouarelookingfor
           or poke around http://freshports.org - danh
        \_ check out portupgrade too. if you use its -PP option, it
           will only use packages
2005/12/18-20 [Recreation/Media] UID:41066 Activity:moderate
12/18   Brokeback Mountain, best movie I have seen in a long time.
        Just go see it.
        \_ Is it another one of those movies about gay cowboys eating pudding?
           \_ Yeahhh.  Hollywood just can't seem to get out of that rut.
           \_ Homo on the Range
              \_ Homo, homo on the range
                 Where the queer with the anal lube play
                 Where condom is heard an encouraging squirt
                 And the guys are all kinky all day
           \_ Bring ass shielding.
            \_ Oh my god it is a movie about GAY PEOPLE!  I bet watching
               it will turn you into a big fag, well unless you just get
               raped by all those homosexuals in the audiance.
           \_ Gah!  Nobody got the reference! -pp
              \_ I did.  --dbushong
           \_ As I went a-walkin' one mornin' for pleasure,
              I spied two fudgepackers come ridin' along;
              Their hats was throwed back and their spurs was a-jinglin'
              And as they approached I was singin' this song:
                Yippee ki-yi-gay, git along, little homos;
                It's your misfortune and none of my own.
                Yippee ki-yi-gay, git along, little homos;
                You know that Wyoming will be your new home.
              It's early in spring that we round up the homos
              We wash 'em and lube 'em and test 'em for AIDS
              We round up the condoms and load the fuckwagon
              And then throw them homos out onto the trail
                Yippee ki...
        \_ I don't believe you.  Where did you see it?
           \_ It was released only in SF, LA and NYC.
           \_ I saw it at Embarcadero One. I got tickets about three hours
              in advance on Saturday.
        \_ Before I spend $10/ticket to see anything, I'd like to know more
           than an anonymous motd person told me to go see it.  What exactly
           did you like about it?  What other movies have you liked and why?
           \_ My female coworker told me that I should see this movie because
              "there is nothing hotter than seeing two cowboys making love to
               each other".
           \_ Without revealing spoilers, I can only say that it is a powerful
              and compelling story about something I have never seen
              examined on the big screen before. Having grown up in the
              rural West, I can say that it did a good job portraying attitudes
              rural West, I think that it did a good job portraying attitudes
              and culture there. The acting was really great, too, at least
              one Oscar worthy performance. I also liked Godfather, Blade
              Runner and American Beauty. Look at the imdb ratings, they
              are all 9's and 10's (and 1's, probably from people who did
              not even see it).
2005/12/18-20 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:41067 Activity:nil
12/18   Bash 3.1 is out:
        http://cnswww.cns.cwru.edu/~chet/bash/README
        ftp://ftp.cwru.edu/pub/bash/bash-3.1.tar.gz
2005/12/18-20 [Recreation/Food] UID:41068 Activity:kinda low
12/18   OK, I'm a serious carnitas fan, and I figure I should be able to make
        it at home pretty easily.  The problem is there's a lot of bad carnitas
        out there (either bland or fried to death) and as a first time cook I
        am having a hard time telling the good recipes from the bad.  Does any
        one have a tested and good recipt to share?i  -glutton
        \_ I love carnitas and as such I find most of it out there is
           actually pretty good. If you find someplace you like then ask
           for the recipe.
           \_ Al Pastor >> Carnitas
              \_ That's a little like saying "glazed pork shops >> bacon"
                 While the former may have more complexity, it will never have
                 the pure unctuous joy of the latter.
        \_ My favorite Carnitas is from a place in Concord called LA TAPATIA.
           They do fry it but not overly-done, and after a few times sampling it
           you should be able to guess how they do it. It's on Willow Pass in
           Concord, not too far from Fry's Electronics.
           \_ Huh. They catered our building's holiday party a couple of weeks
              ago. The food was ass, but none of its was Carntias.
           They do fry it but not overly-done, and after a few times sampling
           it you should be able to guess how they do it. It's on Willow
           Pass in Concord, not too far from Fry's Electronics.
           \_ Huh. They catered our building's holiday party a couple of
              weeks ago. The food was ass, but none of its was Carntias.
        \_ What's yer email? I'll send you a recipe.
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