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| 2005/12/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:40917 Activity:moderate |
12/7 http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/07/D8EBR6D00.html Once again the left proves they don't believe in free speech. \_ So these students were agents of the government threatening Ann Coulter with jail or worse for speaking? Free speach does not mean what you think it means. \_ Fuck you. \_ See? \_ Fuck you. \_ The left has no tolerance for rants, hate speech, and stupidity. And you sir, are full of rants and stupidity. Sign your name. -i hate stupid people \_ "Sign your name". Neither of you signed. How are you any better than the OP unless being a hypocrite is a good thing? The motd is a weird place. \_ Uh oh, someone didn't RTA. You and the OP are both off on what happened there. Why bother posting links at all? \_ I can't find a single example of hate speech in the article. Would you care to quote something? \_ "No free speech for fascists!" --chanted on the steps of sproul my freshman year. Winners of that year's "clueless" award. \_ '"I love to engage in repartee with people who are stupider than I am," Coulter told the 2,600 people at Jorgensen Auditorium.' Of course she loves it; it must be a rare opportunity. \_ stupid is as stupid does! |
| 2005/12/8-9 [Uncategorized] UID:40918 Activity:moderate |
12/7 Looking for a general, nicely written consumer complaint letter
to the corporate offices of companies so that I can report on
employees who are really rude to customers. I'm tired of writing
letters to Frys, Savon, and others. What is a good complaint
letter generater? Thanks.
\_ http://www.pakin.org/complaint
\- dont you think this would benefit by NOT being "general"
but specific. also this needs to be what ... 4-5 sentences
long at most? it doesnt appear from your inquiry you lack
english fluency. just out of curiosity, what is you goal in
writing these letters ... catharsis, or some kind of reply,
punishment or compensation? Most of those would seem to be
better served by a non-generic letter.
\_ English is hard.
\_ It's not a good complaint letter generator :(
\_ Mr. I Abelman, Mongoloid, Esq.: We have received via
post your absurd comments about our trousers...
\_ I'm pretty sure if Ignatius had a csua account we would
have heard from him already, though i'm quite glad to be
hearing from him now. |
| 2005/12/8-9 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:40920 Activity:kinda low |
12/7 Is there such a thing as a portable LCD monitor? I mean something
like a laptop but just with the display (and interface).
\_ There are the ones that mount in racks with a keyboard that flip up.
They are about the size of a laptop. However, most LCDs are
by their nature about the same/size weight as a laptop.
\_ I've been wondering the same. I'm debating getting a Mac Mini.
I don't need to use it while in transit, but it would be nice
to have a monitor I could set up when I get to my destination.
I've been considering a Head Mounted Display:
http://www.stereo3d.com/hmd.htm
\_ I posted the question for exactly the same reason, but Head
Mounted Display is too exotic for me. Is there something cheap
and ordinary that I can put in a backpack? I don't know why pp
says most lcd monitor is about the same size/weight as laptop.
\_ Because they are? We're not talking about a 20" LCD here,
but a small one. Here's one:
but a small one. Here's some:
http://www.lilliput.cn/619.htm
http://www.logisysus.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=75
\_ Take a look at some of the portable LCD's that are used in cars. |
| 2005/12/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40921 Activity:very high |
12/7 Yesterday on the radio I heard a lady say (paraphrased)
"Palestinians have the right to participate in the armed
resistance." What does this mean? The only meanings I can think
of are either meaningless or ludicrous.
\_ That's why I like to call NPR "National Palestinian Radio".
Sympathy with terrorists, pretentious boring shows and shitty music,
now that's a winning combination.
\_ Without the context of the discussion, it means even less to us.
Was she talking about Israel? Iraq? The US? Mars?
\_ I only caught a snipit, but she was talking about how evil
Israel is. The real quote went more like, "The wall
continues, and the Isreali soldiers beat or arrest any
protesters in the way. And those are the ones engaged in
non-violent resistence. You know what happens to those in
the armed resitence. The Palestinians have a right to do
participate in armed resistence, you know."
\_ Consider two questions: Did the colonies have the right
to declare independence and take up arms against the
British? And, did the Confederacy have the right to secede
and take up arms against the Union? I think most
Americans would say yes to the first and no to the second,
but that's because history is written by the winners. -tom
\_ Because the concept of "rights" is illusionary. As you
\_ Because the concept of "rights" is very ephemeral. As you
say, history is written by the winners which is just
another way of saying Might Makes Right.
\_ The concept of rights is the basis of civilization. -tom
\_ Not sure I agree. Individual rights (or lack
thereof) have little to do with the rise of
civilizations and there are probably savages who
afford many rights to their tribe members.
\_ But how much is that predicated upon relative
isolation and plenty?
\_ I'm with tom on this one. Without some form of
encoded rights (Hammurabi comes to mind), you
don't have much of a civilization. I differ
from tom in that I see them as something that
can be granted or taken away by the stronger,
whereas I believe he sees them as a natural
right and a part of being human. If I have
stated his position incorrectly, I hope he'll
step in and clarify.
\_ More important to civilization:
agriculture
\_ hunter/gatherers dont have civil.?
government (does not equate to rights)
\_ tribal chief?
religion
\_ atheist societies cant have a civil.?
education
\_ plenty of non-western societies without
school systems.
currency
\_ or cash.
arts and writing
\_ or writing, but yes they all have art
Hammurabi was the king of an already powerful
civilization.
\_ There are implicit rights inherent in
most of what you list. Currency and
agriculture both require property rights.
Education, religion, and the arts
require the right of expression.
The existence of a government requires
a right of government. -tom
\_ Yes, but these "rights" can be limited
to a small subset of individuals,
perhaps the ones with weapons. I
wouldn't really call those rights.
If someone with a gun tells me to
dig a hole then what rights are
encoded there? His right to threaten
me?
\_ Your right to dig a hole. ;-)
\_ Yes. However, they only exist if everyone agrees
they do and enforces them. A stronger entity who
chose to violate a weaker entity's "rights" would
find little to no impediment leaving the weaker
with limited recourse. "Rights" are a noble concept
and a good theory but they don't exist without both
the strength and will/desire to enforce them.
\_ Your commentary is fairly circular, here.
Anyone can have the strength and will/desire
to take up arms against a nation; that doesn't
mean they all have the right. I would argue
that Osama bin Laden had very little right to
organize the 9/11 attacks against US civilians,
despite the fact that he had the strength and
will to do so. On the other hand, Eritrea
had a strong right to defend itself against
Ethiopia (and Kuwait against Iraq). The
question is where Palestinians fall on that
spectrum. -tom
\_ Circular? Not at all. Might -> Right. Very
direct. It just so happens that reasonably
good people run most of the planet right now
so we have "rights". If the Nazis had won WWII
or the Soviets had won the Cold War, there
wouldn't be a whole lot of talk about human
rights violations around the world. As was
already said a zillion times, the winners write
the history. They also declare what rights,
if any, everyone has afterwards until the next
time.
\_ "might->right" is a thought-ending cliche.
Does a murderer have a right to shoot
someone else, just because he has a gun?
-tom
\_ No, of course not. Society has more
might than the murderer and says they
don't. There have been societies where
the answer would be "yes" if, for
example, the killer was a noble and the
victim a peasant. Fortunately, we don't
live in a society like that. Although
you're mixing personal interaction with
international affairs, the same M->R
concept still applies quite readily.
\_ No, it doesn't apply in either case.
Taiwan may not have the *ability*
to resist a Chinese takeover, but
they certainly have the right to.
-tom
\_ The Chinese would say otherwise.
And that's the point: rights are
not absolutes. They do not exist
as laws of nature, physics, etc.
They are an issue of ethics or
possibly morals which is the realm
of Man where the only rights you
have are those you can keep by
force or those a stronger entity
chooses to allow you to have. In
either case they are not "rights"
as you seem to be defining them in
the Natural or Physics sense.
\_ There's this thing called
'Philosophy' which allows people
to deal with abstracts that
aren't necessarily quantifiable.
\_ Yes, we've been discussing
it in those terms for about
2 hours now. Join us if
you'd like.
\_ No, I've been discussing
philosophy, and you've
been spouting cliches.
-tom
\_ Too bad you chose to
end it like that. Oh
well. And here I was
beginning to think
you could actually
engage in an honest
intellectual discussion
without resorting to
that. My mistake.
I'm done here.
\_ "[R]ight, as the world goes, is only in question
between equals in power, while the strong do what
they can and the weak suffer what they must."
\_ "But God chose the foolish things of the world to
shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the
world to shame the strong."
\_ They have a right to be homocide bombers!
\_ Oh, I didn't know those Palestinians are fighting against gay
rights.
\_ They're more like flaming.
\_ It means someone has an opinion that you don't understand. Congrats.
Your next step will be reading books without pictures in them.
\_ Wow, what an amazingly moronic troll.
\_ The main difference is that their side has used suicide bombers on
civilians, and people are kind of pissed about that.
\_ suicide bombing is a highly evolved method of resistance
twisted, but ingenious
\_ On civilians?
\_ Yes. It's cheap, and among a demographic that's fucked
up enough to go for it, every bombing makes you even more
admired. Now if, as in the case of Iraq, you're actually
hurting (directly or indirectly) the people you depend
on to some degree for support, well, then that's not very
ingenious. -John
\_ Unless say you want to start a civil war and you're
only blowing up Shiites.
\_ Unless say you're a Sunni and your buddies are only
blowing up Shiites, and you want a civil war.
\- always an enjoyable read:
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/melian.htm
\_ Which they're not. -John |
| 2005/12/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:40922 Activity:moderate |
12/7 Man jailed for 24 years exonerated in DNA test.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/08/national/08convict.html
\_ "The judge sentenced Mr. Clark to life. [Clark] interrupted, saying:
'Your Honor, they had Tony here. I can't put him on the stand. He'll
tell you I didn't do nothing but drive the car two weeks later.
Y'all got him right here.'
'Mr. Clark, you have had your trial,' the judge admonished. 'Just
remain silent.'"
\_ I wonder how the rape victim who misidentified him feels now.
\_ What's the csua l/p for the nyt these days?
\_ "bobbob" for both.
\_ that didn't work. @soda? @csua? @???? thanks.
\_ nevermind. i figured it out. |
| 2005/12/8-9 [Reference/Religion] UID:40923 Activity:very high |
12/7 Iran sympathizes the Nazis.
http://csua.org/u/e7z (Yahoo! News)
"Official Iranian media frequently carry sympathetic interviews with
Holocaust revisionist historians -- who attempt to establish that the
number of Jews killed by the Nazis was wildly exaggerated."
\_ I just want to point out that if Godwin's law weren't bullshit,
this thread would already be dead.
\_ That is not fair. A lot of people were sympathetic with Nazi for a
very simple reason: a lot of people has suffered greatly under
British imperial rule. Nazi being enemy of Britian, many people
are sympathetic toward them as result. Moral of story: there is
a history before WW-2.
\_ This has nothing to do with "my enemy's enemy is my friend".
This has everything to do with agreeing with people saying "oh,
wiping out xyz wasn't so bad." -John
\_ That's pretty bizarre. Why wouldn't they be interviewing the people
who brag that they killed lots of Jews? Isn't Jew-killing a good
thing to most Arab nations?
\_ But that would confirm that Jew are victims, which would lead to
"Jews deserve more", which is a bad thing to Arab nations. I
think "Jews screaming 'victims' to deceive world" is a better
thing to most Arab nations.
\_ Remember, to Muslim Arabs, Jews don't count. Deaths of jewish
children don't even register. So maybe 6 million Jews were
killed, but they're not really people, so....
\_ you have no sense of history. Jews traditionaly seek
refuge in Arab countries because Arabs were much more
tolerante of Jews than Christian Europeans. This is why
you find Jewish temple in Bagdad.
\_ Not because any of the caliphates or their client states
had any particular love for jews or christians -- they
were just more pragmatic about tolerating certain groups
of infidels and not whacking them out of principle. -John
\_ You have no sense of the present. Muslim Arabs blame
everything on the Jews today, and extremists like Iran's
president don't think twice about killing Jews.
\_ I think he knew that. No one replied because it was
a troll.
\_ Dude, there's no Jewish temple in Baghdad. There's a
synagog...
\_ How do you know it wasn't exagerrated?
\_ Because if you knew anything about it, you'd know the Nazis kept
meticulous records about all of it. Thank you for playing.
\_ Not really. Not about x people gassed etc. I've looked into
this some. If you look at estimates they vary quite a bit, and
have changed over time, even from sympathetic sources so it's
nothing new. Where would you put the number?
\_ Quite really. Where would your sources put the number?
And frankly, does it matter exactly how many millions once
you get into counting millions anyway? It's stupid to
attempt to say that whatever the number was it was too low
to be important which is what the Iranians and others are
trying to claim for their own political motives, not
because they have an academic interest in WWII era history.
\_ I was going to put something here but you said it. It
does not matter if it's 6 million or 6.5 million. It's
a shitload according to all but the most determined
revisionist sources with an agenda. -John
\_ Well I'm not attempting to say that. And that's not what
was mentioned by the op's blurb. Is there a difference
between 2 and 6 mil? I think it is relevant to study
the actual circumstances because it helps understand
how it happened. Ok yeah the Iranians have an agenda
here. I'm not arguing about that. But actually
sympathizing with revisionist historians is not
identical to sympathizing with Nazis. Shrug.
\_ most revisionist historians are nazi white
supremacist shitheads. |
| 2005/12/8-11 [Consumer/Camera] UID:40924 Activity:nil |
12/8 Anyone have any overall advice or comments for someone going to
Sundance film festival for the first time? Is it pretty much as
depicted in South Park?
\_ There is nothing for someone not in the industry to do there.
It's a place to network and party a little bit. It's the
equivalent of going to DECUS or something, but for small(er)-time
film makers. I've never been, but my gf works for a film school
which often submits films to all of the festivals (including
Cannes). I have heard this sentiment from people who have gone.
If your film is entered, then have a blast. If not, why go?
\_ Because a good friend of mine's film is showing. He's new to
this stuff as well, and made his film for about 9k. I was just
planning to go for the day his film shows plus one more day
to drive around Utah, and that sounds like about the right way
to do it.
\_ Stick with him. If it's a good film he will be your
ticket to fun and interesting things.
\_ That's the plan. Thanks. |
| 2005/12/8-11 [Transportation/Airplane, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:40925 Activity:nil |
12/8 Anyone who flew international recently. Did the check-in luggage limit
got decreased from 70 pound to 50 pound? I'll be flying to China soon.
\_ Great. Encourage more people to carry on luggage that they should
be checking in.
\_ Found it, it is 50 pounds now. Damn.
\_ I want a passenger + luggage < 250 lbs limit NOW
\_ I've been asked my weight when buying plane tickets before. No,
I'm not a fatass, but in single engine planes every pound
matters.
\_ This is for fuel calculation though. -John
\- when did it change? i checked +65lbs last week of Nov.
although i heard something about this the ticket i looked
at had the old weight limits.
\_ Why?
\_ So I get more luggage allowance. It doesn't matter if the
airplane is burning fuel to move fat or luggage. Make the
400 pounders pay up instead of penalizing the rest of us.
\_ Yeah, I just can't wait for all those 110 pound women to
start bringing an extra 70 pounds of shit on the plane
to make up the difference with us 180 pound guys.
\_ To hell with you. I'm 7' tall and 250lbs, and I'm still under-
weight. Eat a sandwich and get over it. --erikred
\_ I travel very frequently, and it's always been 32kg due to US
labor laws. I hope you live in the big ciy in China, though,
because domestic flight within China has maximum weight of
something like 20 or 25kg per lugguage, *ONE* lugguage per person.
So, if you intent to transfer, don't bring too much stuff! |
| 2005/12/8-11 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:40926 Activity:nil |
12/8 Looking for a stat on the read/write time of a single 10K or 15K
scsi disk. don't care about scsi's ability to tranfer 320 MB/sec,
I care at what speed I can actually write to the platter.
Anyone want to point me to (or just give me) the info? tnx.
\_ http://www.tomshardware.com should have the benchmarks you're looking for.
\_ http://storagereview.com |
| 2005/12/8-11 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:40927 Activity:nil |
12/8 Cannot write to client file |
| 2005/12/8-11 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign] UID:40928 Activity:nil |
12/8 Lawyer for 13 GTMO detainees filed a petition Mar 11 2005
http://csua.org/u/e85 (latimes.com)
"Falkoff's petition quoted a section of the memo, but the quotation was
blacked out in the unclassified version...Falkoff's interpretation...:
'The government believes that Mr. Ahmad has information that it wants
but that it cannot extract without torturing him.' ... because torture
is not allowed at Guantanamo, 'the recommendation is that Mr. Ahmad
should be sent to another country where he can be interrogated under
torture.'"
"Falkoff's description was not disputed by U.S. government lawyers or
by U.S. District Judge Rosemary M. Collyer, who read the actual
Pentagon document. The judge ruled in favor of the Yemenis on March 12
..."
\_ The LA Times has been found to be insufficiently patriotic and
therefore in league with Emmanuel Goldstein.
\_ Another violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. |
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