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| 2005/12/1-3 [Uncategorized] UID:40795 Activity:nil |
11/30 UrbanDead question: when there are multiple Zombies at one
location, how is it determined which one is attacked?
\_ If you were whamming on one, it keeps attacking that one; I think
it either goes after the one with the lowest HP, or tracks which
one you were beating up (for example if you went for ammo) and
keeps on going after that one. Otherwise it's random. -John |
| 2005/12/1-3 [Uncategorized] UID:40796 Activity:nil |
11/30 The idea that you can unsubscribe from announce@csua is a myth. Damn
the neo-cons for configuring the mailing list wrong! -mrauser |
| 2005/12/1-3 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:40797 Activity:nil |
11/30 How do you record to a file the video streams you watch on http://cnn.com or http://nightly.msnbc.com? Thanks. \_ Is it streaming windows media video? Try SDP. \_ Or ASFRecorder -John \_ Or mplayer |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Reference/Religion] UID:40798 Activity:high |
12/1 "Theologians to ask Pope to suspend limbo?"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051130/od_nm/pope_limbo_dc
Once again in history, the Church is changing the unchangable truth.
\_ Well, it beats the Protestant answer.
\_ Which is? Thx.
\_ It depends on how fundie you go. Hardcore: If you don't
believe, go to directly to Hell. Do not pass GO! Includes
dead babies, everyone born after Christ who isn't a
a Christian. Liberal: Hell is just a state of mind. Eternal
punishment is not the work of a just god. Average: Live
as a "good" person, you're in. Babies get in free. Get
free upgrades if you're Christian, bonus points for picking
the right sect.
as a "good" person, you're in. Babies get in free.
\_ I had this chat with a fundie coworker. Earth is 6000
years old, everyone who hasn't accepted Jesus into their
heart/doesn't have a personal relationship with Christ is
going to Hell, etc. I didn't ask about dead babies, but
definitely post-Christ non-Christians -> Hell. He couldn't
answer for pre-Christ people which is what I really wanted
to hear about because he simply didn't know church
doctrine that well, which surprised me a bit.
\_ Google for "answers in genesis". -John
\_ Most take the line that those who believe in the One
True God before Christ were given the choice to believe
in Christ either before going to heaven or while in
heaven. Those who didn't, took the quick trip to Hell.
\_ I think if I got run over by some pro-goat zealot
and was standing at the pearly gates and had to
decide if this whole Christ thing was working for
me or not, it wouldn't be a hard call.
\_ Maybe. The New Testament was a massive religious
re-org for the thing now called Christianity.
\_ You're assuming you'd know that it was Christ
asking you. What if there was some long
period of time before judgement where things
are pretty much the same as here, with the
same religious confusion? How could you tell
who was right between the muslim and fundie
missionaries? The Hindis might tell you this
is the waiting room to reincarnation!
\_ Well maybe that's what this world is. Maybe
the moon is made of cheese! And goats! And
little grey men making goat and cheese soup!
Maybe they are the true creators and we are
all just soup ingredients! You're assuming
the Christians, Muslims, Hindis or anyone
else is more likely correct than the FSM people
or those of us who believe in the Great Ladle!
\_ Wow, that was an easy discussion to win.
\_ It was? You look mocked. Sinner, you're
going to Hell!
\_ Not surprising. Most Americans don't think about their
religion that hard either due to ignorance or by design.
Ah, faith.
\_ Most /people/ don't think about /anything they
believe/ irrespective of topic. -emarkp
\_ Ah, but /goats/...now that's a different story. ;P
\_ Yep. Not surprising at all... I've often tried
talking to Christians about the history of
Christianity and they usually are clueless. One might
think that this religion they base their entire faith
in as the ultimate answer in the universe and base
behavior on would be important enough to want to
learn as much as they possibly could about it. But
no. Isn't it a coincidence that almost all the
Muslims happen to be children of Muslims? Christians
the children of Christians? This is pretty much proof
that religions are just a cultural indoctrination and
it's all a load of goat shit.
\_ Goats seem to be playing an amazingly important
role in this thread.
\_ Again, you could say that about just about any
topic. To be fair, most Christians are interested
in living their daily lives according to the
values of Christianity, and don't have an interest
in the history (though I find it fascinating).
-emarkp
\_ Not really. Like what other topic? There isn't
anything else quite like religion. There may be
various health-related info I guess that could
compare, like people sort of accept doctor
advice without researching the history of
biology. However, I still think it doesn't
compare because the consequences of accepting
this info is really minor. People aren't
getting offended and starting wars about
health advice, and the possibility of error and
change is always acknowledged.
But whatever. I'm curious: what explanation
could most Christians give for why God leaves
such a confusing mess of information on which
to base one's faith? If one can go to hell
based on believing the wrong group then how
does that make any sense? And if not, and all
the "good" people will be fine, then why not
acknowledge that explicitly?
\_ The answer is, of course, that man is not
perfect. The sourcebook of Christian faith
is the Bible, "the Word of God" as presented
by men. The core of your question relies on
your faith in on how accurately men wrote
down the bible, translated it, and interpret
its stories now. The true believer relies on
faith in the Christian god in the face of
doubt. A bible of pure exactitude would be
an anathema of faith and lead you use it as
a crutch as opposed to an inspiration and
guide to what a Christian life is. Or
something like that.
\_ It could be absolutely clear what it
means, and I could disbelieve. So
obfuscation isn't necessary for faith.
Most Christian authorities I'm aware of
are far more demanding than what some
"liberal" Christians try to say (getting
touchy-feely and de-emphasizing church
doctrines).
\_ God looks at the heart rather than
outward appearance. The Pharisees
kept the laws, some of it at least,
but were rotten to the core. When
the Pharisees tried to trap Jesus
by asking him whether people should
pay taxes to Caesar, Jesus said,
"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's,
and to God, what is God's." What
exactly does Jesus mean, and would
exactly does Jesus mean? Would
you consider that as obfuscation?
\_ Nobody knows exactly what he
might mean. But nobody even knows
if he really said that, which is
the more important issue. Who
wrote that story? (in any case
I feel you are missing my broader
point. My point extends beyond
Christian internals.)
point, probably intentionally.
my point extends beyond Christian
internals.)
\_ Jesus is simple.
You need to recognize and acknowledge that
you are a sinner. And you need to be
reconciled with God through Christ.
Then you need to love others as you love
yourself, and also make disciples of all
nations.
\_ That's not what I asked.
\_ You said it is a "confusing mess".
It isn't.
\_ There are 7+ major world religions
and each one has major subgroups
who claim to be important and
historically fight each other.
I'm not personally confused. But
obviously people don't know what
to believe. Or rather they all
believe different stuff. Besides
whether to believe Christianity
as written in a certain version of
the Bible, there are subgroups such
as the Mormons. Any of the major
beliefs are "reasonable". It sounds
like you are saying that all of the
various Christian denominations are
irrelevant (is that their official
position?) You also appear to think
any non-Christian belief is not
reasonable which is absurd. And if
they are reasonable why would God
allow this unless it doesn't matter
in which case Christ is irrelevant.
---------------------\
You ask many good questions, and I have asked these
questions myself. One thing I disagree with is when
you asked "Why will God allow this?" Will you also
question why God would allow for instance, Communism,
which I might point out, many idealistic people
passionately believed in? Here is a link on "What
if they haven't heard?":
http://tinyurl.com/c2bsw
\_ "allow"... I mean basically that e.g.
even Christians have a hard time
figuring out exactly what stuff means
in the Bible, the authority of various
people like the Pope, etc., the veracity
of "younger" faiths like Islam or Mormons,
so it would appear God didn't do a good
job about giving us "the word".
\_ Not really. Only Catholics listen
to the Pope and Christians do not
consider Islam or LDS to be part
of their faith. Yes, LDS considers
themselves Christian, but no one
else does.
\_ I do. You're all the same to me.
\_ You're just misinformed.
\_ Your internal doctrinal
disputes about Jesus vs the
Trinity, Mary, Smith and
other details are unimportant.
Your core beliefs in God,
Satan, Heaven, Hell, etc are
the same. As a non-christian
of any sort you all look the
same to me even if your
trivial internal differences
make you feel very different
from a Christian who prefers
a different set of doctrine.
\_ The differences between
these are far more than
simple doctrinal
differences. You are
misinformed if you think
otherwise.
\_ Until you add something
more than "you are
wrong", you still look
the same to me. A
baptist=catholic=mormon=
methodist=whatever from
out here in non-christ
land. I'm looking at
the forest, not a
branch on one tree.
\_ All of the above
are denominations
and are basically
the same, EXCEPT
Mormons. Earlier
you mentioned Islam,
too, which shows you
have very little
clue. We're not
discussing Catholics
vs. Episcopalians.
See? There you go trying to say one denominations, Mormons, are _/
somehow magically different than other denominations. I never said
anything about Islam in this thread so don't try to use that to show
my clue level. I *very* clearly said, as a non-christian, all you
christian types look alike to me. Yes, even the Mormons. If you'd
like to explain how exactly you're different from the Mormons,
Catholics, Baptists, or anyone else, you're welcome to, but all you've
had to say so far is, "you're clueless!@!@!111" which is not adding
value to the discussion. Details and specifics or go away. If you
don't know enough your own or the other denominations to say how
don't know enough of your own or the other denominations to say how
they're different then it is you who is clueless.
\_ Mormons are *NOT* a denomination of the Christian Church. Period.
If you want to know why, do your own research. If you want to
remain clueless then continue to do so. If you didn't mention
Islam, then someone else did. Mormons are as different from
Christians as Jews or Muslims are from Christians. Yes, there
are some of the same elements but the religions are quite
distinct if you know anything about them.
\_ Someone else mentioned Islam, not me. Deal with them on that.
As far as the Mormons or whoever, I have done research and
discussed it with my fundie baptist friend, my mormon friend
and did some reading online. I don't know or care what you
are but Mormon=Christian=Baptist=Catholic=whatever to me.
You *still* have added absolutely nothing to this. I don't
think you know the first thing about the Mormons or likely
any other religion including your own. You haven't even
gotten up to the level of "yes I am, no you're not!" yet. Add
some facts or just give up and go away. Yes, I know you're a
Cal student and *reaaaaaalllly* smart so you don't have to
explain yourself to lesser mortals like uhm, other people from
Cal. Yeah.... You can't even explain how you're different
from the Mormons you seem to despise so much yet you'll take
the time to say over and over again how clueless I am. Silly.
\_ I mentioned Islam for a reason which you still don't understand
and I don't feel like doing this today. But it was interesting.
\_ I understand completely. You're an underinformed idiot.
\_ Perhaps I can use the belief in
democracy (or liberty) as an
analogy. Two persons may both
believe in democracy but they may
disagree with how a democratic
government should be implemented.
You may a
\_ Either this implementation is
relevant/important from a spiritual
point of view (point of view of God)
or it isn't. Traditionally the
Church is vital to Christianity
and heretics were damned. Your
attempts to avoid the issue don't
really work.
\_ The church is a group of
Christians worshipping God
together. God looks at the
heart, not the form.
\_ That would be, if the "God"
that you personally envision
actually existed. He
doesn't. You have even less
"evidence" than the fundies;
at least they have a book
they can claim represents
"truth." -tom
\_ actually, everything I
said is by the book.
\_ according to your lib.
interpretation.
\_ Try reading it.
Start with the Gospels, Psalm
and Isaiah.
and Isaiah. Isaiah 58 (on
fasting) could be a start. You
can use http://www.biblegateway.com
\_ Health care, food, politics (just look at
the Balkans, India/Pakistan, etc.). I'm not
most Christians, but most of the ones I've
talked to haven't thought much about people
other than themselves and the people they
know directly, and so haven't confronted the
"ignorant == damned" problem. Most people
who do some sort of missionary work face it
and resolve it somehow. My theology (LDS)
explicitly points out that we're not damned
for ignorance. Your eternal state depends
on what you choose given what you know.
-emarkp
\_ Nobody "knows". That's the point. Do you
find it easy to convert other Christians
to Mormonism? Why should this be?
\_ For whatever reason, it is certainly
working. Last I knew, the Mormons
were still the fastest growing
religion in the world for the last
umpteen years. Other than FSM and
Soupism, of course.
\_ I wouldn't be too surprised based
on the missionary work that Mormons
do probably more than most. But are
they really growing more than the
birth rate of say Muslims?
\_ So where did the 50 million Christians in the PRC
come from? Or the 20 million in S.Korea?
\_ Proselytized. Insignificant to my point.
\_ why don't you just pick up the bible and read the gospels.
\_ I'll assume your indenting is off rather than answer.
\_ didn't South Park say that the Mormons got it right?
\_ Dum dum dum dum dum.
\_ So, Limbo is in limbo?
\_ The easy part is changing it. The hard part is spinning the
change in such a way that the teeming masses won't wise up to
the fact that they are just making it up as they go along. |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:40799 Activity:kinda low |
12/1 Based on national average, what is the closing cost of a $500K
house, and how much is it usually in California? How about in
your case?
\_ Trying to buy your frat house? The closing cost have two parts.
\_ Trying to buy your first house? The closing cost have two parts.
The "point" part depends on your loan amount, and the "other
fees" part doesn't. A rough guess is 1 point (1% of your loan
amount) plus $2000.
\_ Depends on if you are in a buyer pay or seller pay county. Alameda
is buyer pay, santa clara is seller pay for example. I payed
$8000 in closing costs on my house I bought in alameda county.
House was $540K. In a seller pay you will prolly pay about $2000.
\_ What the hell are you talking about re: buyer/seller pay?!
You negotiate whatever you want to negotiate. I was supposed
to pay the costs when I bought, but I asked the seller if he
would pay and he did. By the way, I think $8K is ridiculous
unless you paid points on your mortgage.
\_ Yes, you negotiate whatever you want, but the poster above is
talking about the common convention such that each party
understands how much actual money a nominated selling price
translates to. Anyway, would it be better if you negotiated
for a lower selling price but you paid the commission instead?
For example, if you bought your house for $530k and the seller
paid $30k commission, you'd be paying property tax on $530k
assessed value. Whereas if you bought your house for $500k
and you paid $30k commissioin, you'd be paying property tax
on only $500k assessed value.
\_ Good idea. --someone else
\_ Yes, but in one case you can borrow the money and in
the other you need cold, hard cash.
\_ False. In both cases the $30k in question can be part
of your loan, if you want.
\_ You will have a hard time finding a bank to roll
$30K of closing costs into your loan. They will
do it if the costs are small, though. Remember,
your mortgage is secured by your property. They
don't like to give out $30K unsecured. This is
the same as if you asked for money for repairs
on the property or even to finance down payment
money. These are not really allowed, although
loan agents can sometimes do them. The higher
the $$$ amount, the more scrutiny and the less
likely you will be able to do it. I've been told
that usually up to about $5K isn't a problem.
\_ Oh, I stand corrected. Thx. --- PP |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Uncategorized] UID:40800 Activity:nil |
12/1 http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Murtha_360_Nov302005.wmv http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Murtha_360_Nov30.mov Murtha discusses Dubya's recent speech with Anderson Cooper |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Computer/SW/Database, Industry/Jobs] UID:40801 Activity:nil |
12/1 myvest is looking for a senior java developer with strong oracle
skills. if interested, email toby@myvest.com
\_ Do you sell vests?
\_ Are they made from real gorilla chests?
\_ There's no better than authentic Irish Setter. |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:40802 Activity:low |
12/1 I am trying to make some tests using G-UNIT and Ant. The tests all
consist of running MyClass.process(input, output) and then comparing
the output to an expected value. I know I could make a suite in
TestMyClass which just has a bunch of the same test on different
input/output pairs. I know I could also make a bunch of seperate test
functions or classes which just call MyClass.process() with a seperate
hard-coded parameter. What I'd *like* is the ability to list a bunch
of input/output pairs in the Ant script and have it pass these params
to a single TestMyClass class. Is there any way to do this or am I
barking up the wrong tree?
\_ I was hoping to do something similar with cppunit, though, calling
it with command line arguments. Instead, I just put a file in a
well known location that matches up with the test in question and
put all the input values there. The environment is also a good
way to pass in some stuff (e.g. a top-level directory).
\_ That's more or less what I decided on too, but I wish there was
a less kludgy way... -op |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Reference/Law/Court] UID:40803 Activity:nil |
12/1 The lies about "Tookie".
http://csua.org/u/e4y (Debra J. Saunders) |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:40804 Activity:nil |
12/1 Google (or other search engine) question: I'm trying to search for
the format of email addresses at a company but google doesn't seem
to allow me to search for "@company.com" instead it drops the "@"
and I get my search turned into "company.com" which isn't helpful.
Is there a way to force the "@" character in a search? I didn't
see it on the google help pages. Thanks.
\_ http://csua.org/u/e5a
short answer, no.
\_ Did you try "\@company.com"
\_ Same thing. It drops the @ and then does the search. Aren't
there some google employees here? Is this just not possible? |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:40805 Activity:kinda low |
12/1 The gropenator chooses a Dem for his new chief of staff:
http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/13923851p-14760887c.html
The quotes in the article, however, make her sound like a DINO, tho
her bio reads very liberal.
\_ She was the executive director of CA NARAL. That's about as liberal
as you get.
\_ on one issue. She also voted for all 4 of Arnold's amendments.
\_ Which were endorsed by every liberal paper in
the state.
\_ which is, perhaps, a hint that they're not
all that liberal...
\_ especially considering all 4 failed.
\_ That's a nice definition that might keep
you happy (if they support those 4 props,
then they're not liberal). But the Chron
and LA Times are far left.
\_ No, they aren't. Try the Manchester
\_ Your claims of "far left" are fatuous.
You don't seem to know what it actually
means.
\_ No, they aren't. Try the SF Bay
Guardian if you really want the loony
left.
left. [thanks for the edit, asshole]
\_ Should have said left, not far
left. And I didn't edit your post.
-pp
\_ Yeah, but it's the PETA of that issue.
\_ It hardly matters who the governor is, who they appoint or anything
else in CA. This state is gridlocked. The course is set and the
boat is too big to turn. |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:40806 Activity:nil |
21/1 To the guy asking about the Canadian no confidence vote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176982,00.html
According to my Canadian friend, if the conservatives can keep
from sticking their foot in their mouth, they might have a good
chance this election. Bloc Quebecois is huge in Qubec, but
can't get any bigger, and "the NDP is a bunch of pinkos."
(Apparently a pretty minor force.)
\_ I thought "vote of no confidence" only happens in star wars!! -silly sodan
\_ I thought "vote of no confidence" only happens in star wars!!
-silly sodan |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Recreation/Pets] UID:40807 Activity:nil |
12/1 Hungry killer Russian squirrels rip a "big" dog apart at a park:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4489792.stm
\_ wow. over 24 hours old, and not a single snarky comment. |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:40808 Activity:nil |
12/1 S. Africa supreme court directs congress to give gay marriage same
legal status as straight marriage
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532383/posts
\_ Is there supposed to be separation of powers in S. Africa? |
| 2005/12/1-6 [Academia/UCLA] UID:40809 Activity:moderate |
12/2 Wow, current odds are USC over UCLA by 21. Is it going to be that
much of a beating?
\_ Dunno. I don't have a crystal ball.
\_ What a useful response.
USC could certainly beat UCLA by 21; we scored 40 against them.
But USC has been somewhat inconsistent. I'd take UCLA+21. -tom
\_ I think this is worth a bet. Is there a good way to bet on
this online or through the phone?
\_ start by not being an anonymous coward. -tom
\_ huh? I am asking for a sports betting place where
I can make some money betting on UCLA. You seem
to think everyone is out to get you.
\_ http://tradesports.com. You are lucky you didn't make
this bet. Tom saved you $100 by being a jerk! -ausman
\_ heh heh, he did. thanks for the link. Have
you used it before? -ecc
\_ Nah, it'll probably be a close game.
\_ ouch! 66-19! what a drubbing. |
| 2005/12/1-4 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:40810 Activity:nil |
12/1 A discorse on why people do the murder-suicide thing.
http://www.signandsight.com/features/493.html |
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