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| 2005/11/30-12/2 [Industry/Jobs] UID:40773 Activity:nil |
11/29 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2005/11/13/MNGHFFNMAC1.DTL UC Top Salaries dominated by the School of Medicine. \_ That's not just UC schools. Med schools have to pay their faculty a lot, to be competent with private hospitals/practices. \_ i think you meant "competitive" \_ oops, you're right! -pp Not that academic salaries are anywhere close still. \_ where does the other compensation come from? |
| 2005/11/30-12/2 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40774 Activity:nil |
11/29 French government says "oui" to racism:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051129/ap_on_re_eu/france_gilding_history
\_ Assertions like this are why usage of the term "racism" is often
greeted with derision, and why a lot of people don't take such
allegations very seriously, even when they should. This is not
racism, this is colonialist apologism, there is a difference. -John
\_ I do agree with you in general, and that this has more to
to with colonialism than racism, but what makes the line a
little blurred is that the the law specifically calls out
North Africa, not, say Vietnam or the far Western parts of
Germany. See first paragraph:
http://csua.org/u/e4o (lemonde.fr)
\_ Don't forget that large parts of French N. Africa were
actual Departements of France as opposed to colonies--they
were administratively considered no different from the
country's European bits, and had a very large number of
European-descended French people living there. So the
Algerian war of independence hit very close to home, and not
just geographically. The "far Western parts of Germany" you
refer to are ditto, and are now called "Haut-Rhin" and "Bas-
Rhin", formerly Alsace & Lorraine. The Saarland, although in
French hands from time to time, was never really considered
part of France Metropole. Hope this clears things up. -John |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Consumer/Camera] UID:40775 Activity:kinda low |
11/30 I know that there is at least two photo geeks who are even
more geeky than I am, and this question is for you:
I am buying a camera-mount electronic flash unit for my brother's
Nikon D70. Should I get a Metz? What are the advantages of Metz
Flash? It is as expensive as Nikon. It seems that only hard-core
tend to use it. But from the spec and all, I can't tell any
advantages, thanks
\- i bought an sb800 for my d70. flashes are pretty cheep.
it works for me [communication with camera and guide number].
\_ ditto.
\_ my last Sunpak was $80. Out of 7 lenses and two bodies
not a single one has the price tag more than $280 (though
most of lenses I got are used :p) --OP
\_ I compared the specs of Metz 45 CL3 and CL4 with Nikon SB-28 four
years ago. Both CL3 and CL4 have slightly higher guide number than
the SB-28. The CL4 also has a secondary fill flash. I ended up
buying an SB-28 though, because it was cheaper and is guaranteed to
be compatible with my N70. BTW I don't actually mount the SB-28 on
the camera. I use a bracket.
be compatible with my N70.
\_ but what kind of communcation do you really need, though? I only
want TTL/iTTL and I don't care about bell and whistles. Have any
one compare the color temperature output by Metz versus Nikon? -OP
\_ Aren't all electronic flashes 5500K?
\_ supposely, but almost all of them are a bit blue.
\- you look good in blue
\_ Have you considered the Sigma flashes? They are cheaper than the
Nikon speedlights. Besides the SB-28, I also bought a Sigma EF-430
Super seven years ago which works well with my N70. It even has a
slave mode which the SB-28 doesn't. The only thing I don't like
about the EF-430 Super is that it doesn't swivel. Now the EF-500-
series ones are pretty cheap too.
\_ people are bitching about Sigma not being really iTTL. |
| 2005/11/30-12/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:40776 Activity:nil |
11/30 I've been looking up Comcast and Adelphia to see if they play
Chinese channels. However, the descriptions only show the names
of the channel (KCSI, etc etc). How do I find out if they
play Chinese stuff? Thanks.
\_ It's a bit low tech, but you could use an audio transmission
and reception device and actually 'talk' to another human
being at one of the two companies. Do you really want to deal
with companies that support such a low tech method of primary
communication with their customer base, though?
\_ Cable phone operators might be less than savvy about the
exact details of their foreign language program choices.
\_ Are you the original poster? If so, you clearly don't
deserve an answer to your question.
\_ I once sent e-mail to Comcast asking about Jade channel (Ch262 in
Fremont) and got a reply in a couple of days. |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Computer/Networking, Consumer/TV] UID:40777 Activity:nil |
11/30 I'm thinking about installing a dish just to get Chinese
channels. However, my home owner's association doesn't allow
ANY dish because they have a contract with a big name cable
company (Comcast). At any rate I don't have a backyard and
I can't install stuff on the common rooftop. Is there such a
thing as a mini-dish that I can put right by the window?
\_ Just hide it inside one of the giant stuffed reindeer on the roof.
\_ In CA, the HOA is SOL. The law says you can have a dish. I'm not
sure how that applies to your situation with a common roof top,
however. Try the low tech audio transmission device and see what
the vendor says about it. BTW, the motd is a great place for
medical and investment advice, too.
\_ HOA can't disallow dishes but they can have rules you must follow
if you want to install one. Just ask the associations for the
requirements if you want to install the dish. Then make sure the
vendor will follow those instructions.
\_ There are tripod mounts. I've seen people put them on balconies.
\_ http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html This is actually a FCC
rule. Basically if you have "private" area (balcony for
example) then your HOA can not really prevent you. Forget
about public space such as the roof. |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:40778 Activity:nil |
11/30 I need to send an AVI file to a WindowsME user.
DVIX, the codec i usually use, is supposedly not supported.
Anyone know of a codec or movie format that would work?Thanks.
\_ I'd be pretty suprised if MPEG2 didn't work. Or they could just
install the DivX codec.
\_ MPEG2 typically doesn't work unless you've installed a DVD player
program.
\_ You're thinking of MPEG1. Anyway, assuming the op meant DivX,
the WinME user simply could install ffdshow.
\_ Or VLC, or simply install the divx codec.
\_ VLC is completely awesome. http://www.videolan.org
\_ The other option is to get them to drop WinME. Microsoft
should have to pay an apology fee to everyone who had to use
that piece of trash.
\_ Or VLC.
\_ The WINME user was told to view the video using
realplayer, expecting that the correct codec would be
downloaded and installed. Instead it came back with the error
message about it not being supported. Sorry about the typo.
\_ Matroska codec pack. -John |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40779 Activity:nil |
11/30 Why does Dubya look like der Kommandant in all these photos I'm
seeing of him today?
http://www.foxnews.com/images/185152/4_2_113005_bush3.jpg
link:csua.org/u/e4k (cnn.com)
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/homepage/hp11-30-05b.jpg
\_ Because you've got Bush=Hitler on the brain?
\_ It's the liberal media trying to make him look bad.
\_ oh goodie, the http://foxnews.com active photo changed, must'a been
a liberal intern who put up the original! |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Finance/Investment] UID:40780 Activity:nil |
11/30 Presume you had $90,000 to play with: It seems that you could make
0.1-0.2% profit per day just exchanging shares of BRK.A and BRK.B.
Since BRK.A shares are convertible to BRK.B shares, they always trade
at about a 30.3:1 ratio. But since BRK.A has less liquidity that ratio
swings a couple tenths of a % in the course of a day. Is this an
unexploited arbitrage opportunity or am I missing something?
\_ The BH website has a page on this topic.
\_ It discusses A->B conversion when B goes above A/30, and the fact
that the market does not let B goo too far below A/30, but it
does not discuss day trading off the swings in B's range.
conventional day trading has the risk that your stock might
drift in the wrong direction, but with this there is a built-in
limiter to how far they can drift apart.
\_ People with a lot more money than you are already taking
all the profit available in these kinds of arbitrage schemes.
-tom |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:40781 Activity:kinda low |
11/30 "Researchers Convert Chicken Fat to Fuel"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051130/ap_on_sc/chicken_fat_fuel
If the process can be adapted to converting human fat to fuel, it will
solve the energy problem in the US completely! We may even export
energy back to the Middle East.
\_ We can't wait for the 30 miles per big-mac models to come out
\_ convert human fat to fuel: ride bike
\_ convert repetitive myopic refrain: shoot self
\_ How dare you tell me to do hard work. I want something for no
work!
\_ I find biking to be much easier than driving in just about
every way, for distances under three miles in a city.
I would pay to ride around on a bike, and I would have to
get paid to drive.
\_ That's because you don't have politically-correct
fat-filled belly and ass like mine.
\_ What they really want is for some people to die, so other people
can get around easily/effortlessly by pushing a gas pedal on
their car.
\_ oh, kind of like the war for oil in iraq?
\_ oh, kind of like the war in iraq?
\_ Reminds me of the joke from fight club about selling rich women
their asses back to them. |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:40782 Activity:nil |
11/30 Firefox 1.5 is out.
\_ And is the same binary as RC3, so you don't need to update it if
you've got the latest RC.
\_ faster, stable, better - nice
\_ Does it use more memory or less compared to 1.0.7? My machine
doesn't have a lot of RAM and I need to run other big apps.
\_ I think it uses a bit more based on my unscientific
comparison. (a couple thousand k more)
\_ Just curious: how many sodans use Opera these days? I just
installed the latest version and it has some pretty interesting
features. Not all websites render nicely, however, compared to
firefox and IE (but that's pretty common when websites don't
test with browser X). |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40783 Activity:nil |
11/30 Video of Pace clarifying to Rumsfeld that U.S. soldiers need to
physically stop inhumane treatment (not just report it) if in its
presence: http://pentagonchannel.feedroom.com
Click on Pentagon Briefing: Rumsfeld / Pace
Then drag the slider to about 60%. You can download the source .wmv's,
but for some reason you can't move around in time, I tried it.
I can't tell whether the exchange was pre-planned, or Rummy really
didn't know.
\_ Feel the shift of blame swing to the Iraqis on Rummy's part. |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Academia/OtherSchools] UID:40784 Activity:nil |
11/30 How do I find back issues of the Jerusalem Post from
the early 60's, like 1960-1965?
\_ Build a time machine.
\_ See if a university library near you has it on microfilm or
microfiche. It looks like Berkeley only has 1960-61, but UCSB and
UCSD both seem to have all the years you're looking for. |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40785 Activity:high |
11/30 Lieberman has visited Iraq four times in 17 months. He said there are
signs life is returning to normal, including a profusion of cell phones
and satellite TV dishes on rooftops.
"About two-thirds of the country is in really pretty good shape," he
said, noting most attacks are in the so-called "Sunni Triangle" region.
"Overall, I came back encouraged."
http://csua.org/u/e4m
\_ Lieberman's editorial:
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007611
\_ Wow, if you only look at vast swaths of empty desert, the country
is doing fine!
\_ It is encouraging to hear about how well the Kurdish north... which
was already free and prosperous under Saddam... is doing.
\_ Except for the occasional spell of mustard gas before some
random kind people laid down the whoopass on anything airborne
there. Nothing serious, though. -John
\_ I think the poster meant post '91
\_ why do you listen to anything this scumbag says? --liberal
\_ Agreed. He's a tool.
\_ Why is he a tool? -uninformed moderate
\_ "Bottom line, I think Bush has it right." When
I asked if he was becoming a neoconservative,
Lieberman smiled and said, "No, but some of my
best friends are neocons."
\_ b/c he might actually be smart enough to know that
socialist big government programs are a dumb idea.
\_ if anything Dubya has increase the size of government
to an blowed level. why don't you vote him out of
office?
\_ Lesser of two evils. The Democrats don't
believe in liberal economic policies,
limited government or conservative/trad-
itional social policies. At least the GOP
pretends to believe in liberal economics,
limited govnerment and conservative social
policies. I feel less revulsion voting for
such candidates.
\_ The GOP stopped pretending to believe in limited
government. Well, unless you've got an Inc. or
an LLC after your name.
\_ My take is that many in the party still
believe in less government, but the
current administration does not. I was
never hot on either Bush, but I liked
the alternatives even less.
\_ Are you really that much of an ignorant fuck or are
you just pretending? Liebermann is *owned* by
the insurance companies. Saying that Liebermann's
position on health care reform are based on
\_ he is also owned by Accounting industry and
fanatically oppose to any of accounting reform
after Enron scandle...
position on health care reform is based on
principle is like saying that a senator from
a tobacco state's position on tobacco regulations
or Ted Stevens's position on drilling ANWR is based
on principle. Fuck you, and fuck Liebermann.
\_ I'm not talking about any particular issue.
I'm just saying overall he is reasonable in
comparison to many of his scum bag colleagues.
\_ Lieberman's loyalties are to Israel, not America.
\_ Yeah you just can't trust a Jew. They own the
banks, Hollywood, send our jobs overseas, they
steal our tech, and ZOG has been intentionally
destroying the environment since 1889 for their
own negarious purposes. Kill the Jews! Oh btw,
you overpaid your Klan membership fees, so you'll
get the difference back in the mail next week.
get the difference back in the mail next week. -lior
\_ You'd probably enjoy some of the requests for
email accounts or "membership" I get at http://zog.net.
Probably doesn't help that it's hosted on <DEAD>88.net<DEAD>
(no it's not what you think) -John
\_ I know you wrote this as a joke, but my dad
and *many* of his hard core democrat friends
(all asian) refused to vote for Gore b/c his
running mate was "JEW" Lieberman.
The best reason I've heard for not voting for
Lieberman is that he looks exactly like the
Emperor :-)
\_ I'm a Jew, and Liebermann was one of the main
reasons I didn't vote for Gore (along with
my deep loathing of Tipper.) I can think
of several Jewish friends who also veered
over to Nader becauese of how much they hate
Liebermann. In fact, when I think of all
my Jewish friends, I can only think of a couple
who *don't* hate Liebermann, and I live in
his home state.
\_ You voted against him *because* he's a Jew
like the above poster's racist family
friends? I wouldn't vote for or against
anyone based on their membership in a
mainstream (ie: we don't sacrifice goats
and virgins) religion. Voting against him
because you think he's an ass or an
insurance company shill or whatever makes
sense. -lior
\_ he is a scumbag, and happened to be a
Jew. Rather he is a Jew or not is
not important. -- liberal Asian
\_ Of course I didn't vote against him
because he's a Jew. For me it was 60%
his relationship with the insurance
companies, 30% his involvement with
music censorship(which is why I hate
Tipper), and 10% general hatred of his
idiotic positions on local pork issues.
There are a lot of defense contractors
in Ct., and I think Liebermann clearly
puts their interests above the overall
interests of national defense. Yes,
I realize everyone does that, but that's
no excuse, and I still hate the guy for
it. Also, what the hell is wrong with
sacraficing goats?
\_ You're anti-goat?
\_ I'm not a pro-goat zealot. That's
all.
\_ No, I didn't write it as a joke. I think the
guy I was responding to saying Lieberman is an
Israeli shill is a POS racist. When exactly
did Asians decide they hated Jews? They're not
did Asians decide they hate Jews? They're not
on the traditional list of anti-semite racist
types.
\_ Maybe joke was the wrong word. I was
just trying to point out that there
are democrat voters out there who
actually believe all that stuff that
wrote.
I don't know when Asians decided to
start hating jews, but anti-semitism
and racism are fairly common in asian
circles.
\_ Asians dont have guilt complex over the
Holocaust and dont feel beholden to Israel
over that issue nor their "stewardship"
over the Holy Land.
PP: you are overreacting. I think Judaism
is a bit snobbish but I don't like the Pope
either. I do respect the importance of law
to the Jews and respect the Israeli courts
have taken a number of wildly unpopular but
principled decisions.
\_ Guilt? So by that you're saying that
guilt over the holocaust is the only
reason to not hate Jews. And how exactly
is Judaism "snobbish"? Not only am I not
over reacting but I find your "it's ok
to hate Jews because my people didn't
take part in the holocaust" line quite
shocking. I'm used to racism, especially
on the motd, but not at this level. You
need to take a serious step back and
really look at what you're saying. Also,
Israeli != Jew. You can be a Jew and not
be Israeli and you can be a full voting
tax paying Israeli citizen and not be a
Jew.
Jew. -lior
\_ Dummy, you are running rabid. Just
because I am not a big supporter of
Israel doesnt mean I want to see them
driven into the sea. I think
Lieberman's advice to attack Iraq,
Syria, and Iran is suspect. On the
other hand I repect his not being an
other hand I respect his not being an
apologist for Pollard. Are you a
Pollard supporter? Are you also an
apologist for Israel over the USS
Liberty affair? I am laughing at you.
\_ Liberty affair?
\_ http://www.ussliberty.org
\_ Re-read the whole thread. Trying
to paint me as rabid but ignoring
everything I said when I directly
responded to your posts isn't
scoring you any points. You are
falling back on the age-old racist
debate tactics and I'm not going
to bite. Failure to stay on topic
and bouncing to a zillion new
things that have nothing to do
with your personal racism aren't
going to help you any. This has
*nothing* to do with Israel and
you know it. Bye. -lior
\_ You have a persection complex.
And you have been trolled.
Ha ha ha. Does it make you feel
better to think someone out
there is hating you?
\_ 1) no. 2) its the motd, its
all trolls, 3) whatever, 4)
why would you say someone
out there hates me? shrug.
you're still a racist.
\_ "I dont like Lieberman"->
"You hate Jews!"
\_ Never said that. Read
the thread. Thanks.
/
/
/
"Lieberman's loyalty is
to Israel" -> "Yeah
you just can't trust a
Jew."
\_ I just recently visited Anbar Province Iraq in order to assess the
conditions on the ground. Last May 2005, as part of the
Emergency Supplemental Spending Bill, the House included the
Moran Amendment, which was accepted in Conference, and which
required the Secretary of Defense to submit quarterly reports to
Congress in order to more accurately measure stability and
security in Iraq. We have now received two reports. I am
disturbed by the findings in key indicator areas. Oil
production and energy production are below pre-war levels.
Our reconstruction efforts have been crippled by the security
situation. Only $9 billion of the $18 billion appropriated for
reconstruction has been spent. Unemployment remains at about
60 percent. Clean water is scarce. Only $500 million of the
$2.2 billion appropriated for water projects has been spent.
And most importantly, insurgent incidents have increased from
about 150 per week to over 700 in the last year. Instead of
attacks going down over time and with the addition of more
troops, attacks have grown dramatically. Since the revelations
at Abu Ghraib, American casualties have doubled. An annual
State Department report in 2004 indicated a sharp increase in
global terrorism. - Rep. Murtha
\_ I don't know who to believe, the guy who is an expert
on the military or the other guy! |
| 2005/11/30 [Uncategorized] UID:40786 Activity:nil |
11/30 Topic to be determined later:
\_ The Macarena |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:40787 Activity:kinda low |
11/30 TSA to announce Friday that some scissors less than 4 inches long will
now be permitted in carry-on baggage, since 25% of bags with an illegal
item have ... small scissors! Flight attendants still prefer they get
screened, but who cares about them.
\- that kinda funny ... my father just got busted for this on tue.
\_ TSA has always allowed EMT shears (blunt scissors)
\_ As long as they aren't useful to someone with their jaw wired
shut. YMWTGF 'TSA "wired jaw"'
\_ I took a can of almonds with me on my flight which had a very
sharp aluminum lid on them. I even cut myself opening them. I
think the whole security thing is stupid beyond belief.
\_ Speaking of which.. what happened to all those kids in green
uniforms with F-16 rifles? Were the poor sobs all sent to
Iraq?
\_ F-16 rifles? Those sound pretty unwieldy.
\_ They come with shoulder straps, but they sometimes get
tangled in the landing gear.
\- those don't exist! unlike the GU-11 veritech gun pod,
although it's best in battloid or guardian modes
\_ That's battloid and _gerwalk_ to all you souls
uncorrupted by Robotech.
\_ Definitely the most maneuverable rifle on the market.
\_ You mean M-16?
\_ I'll care when I don't have to take my shoes off when going through
security.
\_ From now on your nickname is plutonium shoes.
\_ 5/7 times I flew (SJC<->LAX) I didn't have to take off my shoes.
And I'm middle-eastern. I've also stopped getting "randomly"
screened every single time I fly. --swarthy male
\_ I used to get searched *every time* I flew. I think it was
beacause I tended to buy my tickets at the last minute and
because I tended to buy my tickets at the last minute and
online. I look about as white as you possibly can, so I
don't think it's just racial profiling.
\_ Swarthy male... do you feel you are being targeted for
randomn searches?
\_ Can't speak for swarthy male, but my hot blonde friend
claims she is being targeted.
claims she is being targeted, especially when she is
travelling abroad.
\_ They're just trying to find excuses to conduct body
search on her.
\_ how did the hijackers during 9/11 get control of the planes?
was it just through the use of box cutters? didnt read the
report or anything. |
| 2005/11/30-12/2 [Recreation/Dating] UID:40788 Activity:nil |
11/29 It seems like its only the men that ever ask for anal sex. I
have never met a woman who would admit to either liking it or
requesting it. Makes it seem like a domination/control
method as opposed to a sex act.
\_ I think there are women who do like it. The "Sex on Tuesday"
column of the daily Cal talks about it occasionally and it seems
that some girls are cool with it. I would definitely agree that
it would not be the norm (or even common). |
| 2005/11/30 [Science/Space] UID:40789 Activity:nil |
11/30 Why can't we concentrate the suns rays and boil water to
produce steam which eventually creates electricity? |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40790 Activity:low |
11/30 U.S. Is Said to Pay to Plant Articles in Iraq Papers:
http://csua.org/u/e4t
\_ it's only illegal for the military to plant articles in U.S. papers!
go Dubya!
\_ besides bombing Al-Jazeera offices, this is perhaps the best
example of "freedom of speech" which we've been taunting the Iraqis.
Torture chambers, control of press... is it me or USA is not that
much different than the tyran which USA replaced?
\_ hey, fight them there so we dont have to fight them here. but
seriously, whats the big deal? long as we're already in this war,
if the army wants to use some propaganda to try and win it, go
ahead right?
\_ another fine example of "freedom of speech" besides bombing of
Al-Jazeera offices. Torture chambers, control of press, is it me
or USA has become a tryan which it tried to replace?
\_ *yawn*
\_ This is different from bombing of Al-Jazeera offices. One is
limiting others' freedom of speech which is not good. The other
is exercing our freedom of speech which is good. |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Science/Electric] UID:40791 Activity:nil |
11/30 http://csua.org/u/e4s The Not-So-Secret History of 'Aeon Flux' \_ A lame cartoon becomes an even worse movie! |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Uncategorized] UID:40792 Activity:nil |
11/30 anyone here actually listened to Dubya's speech?
\_ Not necessary. We know what he's going to say anyway. |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:40793 Activity:nil |
11/30 I have one of those tiny Sandisk keychain harddrives, and it shows
it as being nearly full (~500 of 512megs), under OS X, where it
also shows the drive as having no files on it. But when I plug the
drive into my PC, it shows a .Trashes file which has all the
files I've deleted off of it, ever. What is this .Trashes file and
how can I delete it under OS X (I can delete it with Windows)?
Thanks.
\_ Uh, empty trash?
\_ .Trashes is the trashcan created by OSX. You can empty the trash
or just remove it using command line. |
| 2005/11/30-12/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40794 Activity:kinda low |
11/30 NYT on Bush speech:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/01/opinion/01thur1.html?hp
"But after watching the president, we couldn't resist reading Richard
Nixon's 1969 Vietnamization speech. Substitute the Iraqi constitutional
process for the Paris peace talks, and Mr. Bush's ideas about the Iraqi
Army are not much different from Nixon's plans - except Nixon admitted
the war was going very badly (which was easier for him to do because
he didn't start it), and he was very clear about the risks and huge
sacrifices ahead.
A president who seems less in touch with reality than Richard Nixon
needs to get out more."
\_ yeah, but our military commander (pace), iraq ambassador (khalilzad)
and our troops (non-draft) are all better than nixon's analogs,
so we might actually win despite the dumbass at the top (dubya)
and his lying cronies (rove, dick)
\_ what exactly are we winning? where is osama bin laden?
\_ winning means iraq not destabilizing the region and restoring
it back to its non-terrorist-training state
\_ huh? what happened to this 'beacon of democracy in the
middle east?' If we are shooting for non-terrorist-
training state, why we topple Saddam at first place?
\_ what happened to "beacon of democracy in the middle east"
again? and if victor == non-terrorist training state,
why we topple Saddam at first place?
\_ democracy is dubya's defn of "winning", not mine
anyways, like I said, it didn't train terrorists before
we invaded, unlike now, but returning it to that state
is part of my defn of "winning"
the best realistic outcome in my view is a buncha shiite
militias running the place with periodic sunni suicide
bombings and regular intervention of the shiite death
squads, token U.S. withdrawal in 2005, near-complete
U.S. withdrawal by end-2006, and the U.S. retaining
squads, token U.S. withdrawal in 2006, near-complete
U.S. withdrawal by end-2007, and the U.S. retaining
overflight and bombing permissions
U.S. withdrawal by end-2006, and the U.S. having full
permission to bomb the heck out of anything we verify as
a concentrated terrorist training camp
of course, none of this precludes the fact that dubya is
and will always remain a dumbass
\_ oops, I understated by one year. anyways, another
thing to keep in mind is that these dates satisfy
the military and the political overseers. |
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