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| 2005/11/15 [Uncategorized] UID:40587 Activity:nil |
11/15 Just curious, what is this "mohammand" thing in the minutes with
$1 in, four quarters out?
\_ I don't really know, but I guess there's some guy name
mohammand who comes around the office to buy (steal) candy.
Everyone knows him, but he probably isn't actually a member of
the CSUA. I would recommend watching the friend he was
bragging to very carefully as well.
\_ Well this was a disciplinary measure so it shouldn't have been in
the minutes at all, but getting Lin to write clear minutes is like
squeezing water from a stone. By the way, his name was "Mohammed"
or whatever way he spells his name. -mrauser
\_ That's true, but I'd still like to see a report on the first
time someone kicks him out of the office. You should put a
pic up in the office too. |
| 2005/11/15 [Uncategorized] UID:40590 Activity:nil 80%like:40595 |
11/15 hi, i'm back!
http://public.fotki.com/moregleny/gleny_girls/cheryl
http://image50.webshots.com/150/6/17/77/495461777CBXbrB_fs.jpg
\_ Horny girl!
http://community.webshots.com/user/cutie84211 |
| 2005/11/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40591 Activity:nil |
11/15 buy EMRG .. at 30 cents.. might go up when Bush visits
japan for opening beef market..
\_ Might go down when Bush fails.
\_ Hey, are you the same guy who was pimping EMRG as providing
big returns compared to soething like PEP, back when EMRG was at
2.00 and PEP was at 48? (PEP is now at 58.59). -tom
\_ i made a nice profit on it.. then it went back down
again.. it's a pure speculative play so PEP and all
that stuff doesnt mean a thing..
\_ Right...http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EMRG&t=2y
I'm sure you sold it on one of the two days when it reached
2.50, and that's why you're here trying to pump it again. -tom
\_ EMGR is for pure speculation (stay away), and PEP is a solid
company. |
| 2005/11/15-17 [Computer/SW/Database] UID:40592 Activity:nil |
11/15 Ali, is it you? http://ifun.ru/picture12733.html \_ No, but this is: http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet |
| 2005/11/15 [Science/Biology] UID:40593 Activity:very high |
11/15 "Some well-respected scientists have fostered the spread of
intelligent design. Henry F. Schaefer, director of the Center
for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the University of
Georgia, has written or co-authored 1,082 scientific papers
and is one of the world's most widely cited chemists by other
researchers.
Mr. Schaefer teaches a freshman seminar at Georgia entitled:
"Science and Christianity: Conflict or Coherence?" He has
spoken on religion and science at many American universities,
and gave the "John M. Templeton Lecture" -- funded by the
foundation -- at Case Western Reserve in 1992, Montana State
in 1999, and Princeton and Carnegie Mellon in 2004. "Those
who favor the standard evolutionary model are in a state of
panic," he says. "Intelligent design truly terrorizes them."
This past April, the school of science at Duquesne University,
a Catholic university in Pittsburgh, abruptly canceled its
sponsorship of a lecture by Mr. Schaefer in its distinguished
scientist series. According to David Seybert, dean of the
Bayer School of Natural and Environmental Sciences,
Mr. Schaefer was invited at the suggestion of a faculty member
belonging to a Christian fellowship group on campus. The
invitation was withdrawn after several biology professors
complained that Mr. Schaefer planned to speak in favor of
intelligent design. The school wanted to avoid "legitimizing
intelligent design from a scientific perspective," Mr. Seybert
said. Faculty members were also concerned that top students
might not apply to Duquesne if they thought it endorsed
intelligent design. Mr. Schaefer gave his lecture -- entitled
"The Big Bang, Stephen Hawking, and God" -- to a packed hall at
Duquesne under the auspices of a Christian group instead."
From yesterday's WSJ article "Darwinian Struggle At Some
Colleges, Classes Questioning Evolution Take Hold":
http://tinyurl.com/aq2qp (if you have subscription)
Huh? How come top scientists can believe in such ridiculous
theories?
\_ Please use a link to a file or accessible URL if you
are going to quote large blocks of text. That makes
the motd works better for us all.
\_ You are welcomed to put the text in a file with
a link, and then you can delete it from the motd.
Huh? How come top scientists can believe in such ridiculous
theories?
\_ How can motd posters post with such horrible formatting?
\_ Obviously the OP wasn't designed intelligently.
\_ Actually, I am more of an evolutionary dead end.
\_ Pause and pull back. ID, as a philosophy or extension of theology,
has been embraced by a number of gifted scientists (including
Newton). The trick is where people take this out of the realm of
theology or philosophy and instead attempt to present it to the
exclusion of actual science, i.e., evolution. In other words, if
you believe that G_d created everything through the Big Bang and
you believe that **God** created everything through the Big Bang and
created life (and us) through evolution, there's no conflict
between ID and science. It's when you start to say that the
Bible must be taken literally instead of allegorically that the
whole thing becomes ridiculous.
\_ Newton was pre-Darwin, when there was no Theory of Evolution yet
to explain things.
\_ Darwin's theory doesn't really explain very much. That
doesn't mean the alternative is that God created
everything, but why do people always treat evolution as
case closed? There are still many more questions than
answers.
\_ "why do people always treat evolution as case closed?"
Another attempt to tweak facts to discredit TE.
\_ Not tweaking any facts, but biologists almost
universally believe TE explains all life as we know
it while making some really big leaps of faith
themselves. Unlike, say, QM, there isn't even
really any math to lay a groundwork with. Just some
observations and a giant leap.
\- there isnt a complete theory of
turbulence either. do you fly in
planes?
\_ Airflow around my spherical plane is
perfectly laminar. -physicist
\- that's no moon
\_ No. I ride a mule myself.
\_ No bestiality on motd please.
\_ Yes, sometimes it seems to be that the assumptions
and reasoning are as follows:
(1) we have to come from somewhere.
(2) it has to be a natural process.
(3) TE fits (1) and (2) so we really like it, and
will consider case closed even though it has
some holes.
\_ "people always treat evolution as case closed?" Another
fact-tweaking by the ID people?
\_ but I think the ID under discussion is the one that
espouses "reducible complexity".
\_ I think the biggest problem with ID is that it is a "scientific
theory" that says "there's no need for further science because of
<magic thing X>" What's advanced science since the dawn of time
are the people who say "no, that's not magic, how does it work/
how did it happen?" If we accept any type of supernatural effect
as a complete scientific explanation for something, we're greatly
hurting the cause. I think even people who believe in a creator
should see this.
\_ I don't think this is true, at least according to my
understanding. If so, then I think different people have
different ideas about ID.
\_ You're right. There are currents among the ID that are
young-earth creationists, and some that aren't. They all,
however, are trying to codify their religion into science.
Which is never a good idea. -emarkp
\_ You're like a communist who champions property rights.
It's nice to see anyone supporting property rights, but
a communist is still a communist. Likewise with a
religious conservative who does not want to destroy
American science.
\_ I agree with you that ID cannot stand as a scientific theory,
but is "irrreducible complexity" valid as a critique of
the evolution theory?
\_ I think it's something we don't understand, like how black
holes are generally accepted, but we don't understand the
physics of an actual singularity, IIRC.
\_ hmm .. but in the case of "irreducibly complex", TE
is directly challenged, while in the case of the
blackhole, it's just that the math breaks down, and
we can't understand things once that happens.
\_ But in the case of evolution, we've encountered
"irreducable" complexity before, and then later we figure
out how it could have happened. (e.g. eye lens
evolution) What makes the current "irreducable"
wall any more certain?
\_ Did you find the explanation on how it could've
happened convincing?
\_ I did. Read "The Blind Watchmaker." --PeterM
\_ what do you think of this:
http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9203/watchmkr.html
\_ I don't think so. It ignores the possibility of an
intermediate form which wasn't irreducible, which then
simplified into the now-irreducible form. It also assumes
that current biological structures/organisms labelled as
irreducible have been labelled correctly. -emarkp
\_ that's the whole point right? you need to chart a
path of small evolutionary steps to arrive at the
complex structure, with each of the intermediate form
making evolutinary sense (i.e. each step a positive
improvement).
\_ The whole point? I don't quite understand what you mean
by that, but /my/ point is that something that is
irriducible now may have evolved from something that
wasn't irriducible. -emarkp
\_ Am I missing something? You are not making sense.
\_ Evolution means things change over time. One form
that's an advantage but more complex could evolve
to something that's an advantage but is simpler
(more efficient). There's nothing about evolution
that declares that every step is more complex or
has a purpose easy to identify. -emarkp
\_ We should have stopped at atoms. Everything
on the quantum level is too complex. |
| 2005/11/15 [Reference/Religion] UID:40594 Activity:nil |
11/15 Here's one for all you Christian haters out there:
http://csua.org/u/e0k
"Religious teen" shoots girlfriend's parents in the head an runs
off with her. |
| 2005/11/15 [Recreation/Dating] UID:40595 Activity:nil 80%like:40590 |
11/15 hi, i'm back!
http://public.fotki.com/moregleny/gleny_girls/cheryl
\_ Why does that ugly guy deserve such a hot woman?
\_ Money has always been able to buy love, or a simulation
of love.
http://image50.webshots.com/150/6/17/77/495461777CBXbrB_fs.jpg
\_ Horny girl!
http://community.webshots.com/user/cutie84211 |
| 2005/11/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:40596 Activity:nil |
11/15 http://csua.org/u/e0n (huffingtonpost.com) http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1559 Previously accurate Ohio predictions wildly inaccurate for this year's Ohio referendum issues. \_ And you didn't go to the talk last week on electronic voting security? For shame. \_ Why don't we just forego elections altogether and just determine the winner by polls. \_ These articles are really weak. |
| 2005/11/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:40597 Activity:moderate |
11/15 Newsweek poll http://www.pollingreport.com/terror.htm "Would you support the use of torture ... if it might lead to the prevention of a major terrorist attack, or not?" Yes 58% No 35% "What if the use of torture ... makes it more likely that Americans will be tortured by our enemies? ..." Yes 36% No 57% Americans support torture if it might prevent a major terrorist attack ... yet do not support torture if it could lead to U.S. troops getting tortured ... Therefore, SECRET TORTURE FACILITIES!</troll> \- I'd like to see the results for "Would you support torturing an anti-abortion protestor who has planted a TICKING BOMB in a abortion-clinic/daycare?" \_ most pro-lifers do not support bombing of these clinics. (no one is in the abortion center at the time of the bombing) \_ "What if the torture would only be used on individuals with different religious beliefs/race than your own?" \_ Did everyone here see the "amazing stories" story in the 1980s about the broke couple who gets a visit from a man who gives them a box with a big red button. He tells them if they press the big red button "someone they don't know will die", and they will receive $100,000. They agonize about pressing the button for a long time and finally decide they need the money so they press the button. Like magic the man shows up with a suitcase full of cash immediately, and takes the box with the red button back. When they ask where the box with the red button is going, the answer is "To someone you don't know" \_ Bullshit. \_ "What if the torture would only be used on individuals with different religious beliefs/race than your own?" \_ Did everyone here see the "amazing stories" story in the 1980s about the broke couple who gets a visit from a man who gives them a box with a big red button. He tells them if they press the big red button "someone they don't know will die", and they will receive $100,000. They agonize about pressing the button for a long time and finally decide they need the money so they press the button. Like magic the man shows up with a suitcase full of cash immediately, and takes the box with the red button back. When they ask where the box with the red button is going, the answer is "To someone you don't know" \_ Yeah, I really liked that. I thought it was 'The Outer Limits', though. \_ I think it was Twilight Zone, and the ep name was "Button, Button". \_ I think it was Twilight Zone, and the ep name was "Button, Button". \_ Yeah I probably mixed up the name of the show ... Those 2 shows were very similar. \_ They were all pretty much the same basic concept. That was around the same era where "V" was such a big deal. I remember *really* liking that show (and, of course, "Something is Out There"). That was a great era of television, in some respects. \_ They were all pretty much the same basic concept. That was around the same era where "V" was such a big deal. I remember *really* liking that show (and, of course, "Something is Out There"). That was a great era of television, in some respects. \_ Along with "Tales from the Darkside" \_ Was that the show with that idiotic Crypt Keeper? \_ Tales from the Crypt. \_ Ah, right, that makes sense. Damn, so between 85 and 90 there were, what, 5 shows of that general type? At least 6 if you stretch out to 95 to catch "The New Outer Limits." Damn, so between 85 and 90 there were, what, 5 shows of that general type? At least 6 if you stretch out to 95 to catch "The New Outer Limits." \_ Freddy Kreuger was in V. \_ Right -- Willie, the semi-retarded alien. \- what was the movie that takes place in france that involves a guy paying somebody else to take his place in an execution (by the nazis?) or something like that? the tenth man or something name like that? famous movie. may have been a short story too. you may also wish to see the famous TROLLY PROBLEM. \_ Err, I'm thinking of the mid-80's scifi epic miniseries with Mark Singer about lizards that come to earth in the name of peace to steal our water, our women and our environmentalists. I don't...I don't think France was directly involved. Englund played a mostly sympathetic but rather meek alien that ends up defecting to the human side or something. \- i'm not thinking of what you are thinking of. \_ yes, I sort of got that sense :P \_ I find it funny that this political troll has turned into a discussion on sci fi shows. |
| 2005/11/15-17 [Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40598 Activity:nil |
11/15 Amusing reviews of the weapons used in Iraq. (Later it turns into
go-america type stuff. You can skip that if you like)
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/133585.php
\_ Interesting stuff, mostly new information for me.
But scroll to near the bottom for a post that challenges it. |
| 2005/11/15 [Uncategorized] UID:40599 Activity:nil |
(restored for your pleasure) |
| 2005/11/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Health/Sleeping] UID:40600 Activity:nil |
11/15 9/11 is Sacred. Except when it's not:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051115/ap_on_go_co/sept11_aid
\_ I can almost hear the House saying "What? You still here?"
\_ I can actually agree with the Congress on this one. The money
was only meant to treat "long-term lung and mental health problems"
I mean, do you really need 125 million to treat lung and mental
health problems for the workers on site? I don't think so.
\_ Um. wow. How many people do you think were expose to the dust
there? How much do you think medical care actually costs?
How much do you think $125 million actually gets you? |
| 2005/11/15-16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40601 Activity:kinda low 90%like:40610 |
11/15 Pentagon used white phosphorous in Iraq:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051116/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/iraq_white_phosphorous
\_ yeah, we know. the u.s. didn't sign any treaties prohibiting WP use
as an anti-personnel weapon against combatants, so it's "legal" ...
even though it fucks up your lungs (in enclosed spaces) and also
acts as napalm-lite (if it gets on you). Your jaw only falls off
with long-term exposure (months/years).
with long-term exposure (months/years). fyi, it's "legal" to use
napalm against military targets too, although the military says it
decommissioned its napalm stores (they had better napalm-like stuff
to use in 2003 Baghdad, no need for Original Napalm(TM)).
\_ The very concept of legal or illegal weapons is just stupid.
If you're willing to kill people, you're willing to kill people.
Civilians get killed by bullets, bombs, fire, cold, disease,
starvation, land minds, etc, etc in war. War kills civilians.
Now if you wanted to declare genocidal race destroying bio
weapons or nukes or whatever 'illegal' sure, that makes sense
in a twisted sort of way but not that it matters if someone
manages to wipe out the entire race anyway. The M16 has killed
more people than WP or napalm. Let's declare the M16 an illegal
weapon. Whatever. This is all bullshit to keep food on the
table of diplomats, lawyers, politicians, and other scum.
\_ Is the previous poster an Asian? |
| 2005/11/15-17 [Politics/Domestic] UID:40602 Activity:low |
11/15 I hear that congress is spending 62 billion to rebuild new orleans. Is
it just me or does that not seem like a hell of a lot? Do we really
need to foot the bill for building it back better than it ever was
before? This won't fix the fact that its still below sea level.
I suppose some portion of the 62 billion will be going to levee
enhancement. -mrauser
\_ the overall process didn't seem very scientific, did it?
\_ I think capitalism should rebuild New Orleans. If there's
value to being there, then investors will pay to rebuild.
The government should stay out of it, except *perhaps* to
repair the levees and interstate highway. Why is the entire
US paying to repair NO when mostly a rich few investors are
going to benefit by it?
\_ Run for congress.
\_ I totally agree! Fuck socialism, it only works when
you're always on the receiving end. We as
superior Northerners should have succeded from the
South that keeps leeaching and gives nothing back. |
| 2005/11/15-17 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:40603 Activity:nil |
11/15 DVD Player for Atheists:
http://tinyurl.com/9y393 (gizmodo.com) |
| 2005/11/15-17 [Uncategorized] UID:40604 Activity:nil |
11/15 Mousepad couch:
http://www.rit.edu/~jpsdss/couch
\_ Is that his office, or his jail cell? |
| 2005/11/15-17 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:40605 Activity:nil |
11/15 Bruce Willis offers $1 million bounty for terrorists:
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27261601.shtml
\_ I thought the U.S. gov't had a 20 million bounty on Bin Laden
already. I could think of better ways for him to spend a million
dollars if he wants to help kill terrorists.
\_ A reality version of Die Hard? |
| 2005/11/15-17 [Transportation/Car] UID:40606 Activity:moderate |
11/15 THE Bond DB5 is for sale:
http://tinyurl.com/aabwq (cnn.com)
\_ Millions for a car that does 0-60 in 8.1 seconds? Nah.
\_ If there were a Nobel prize for missing the point, you'd just
have won it. -John
\_ I completely agree. How could anyone think of buying
a DB5 when they could get a fully r1c3d c1v1c type R
w/ a prelude engine swap? I mean the DB5 doesn't even
have an in-dash cd changer, ipod integration, dvd-nav
or a ps/2 in the glove box.
\_ So easily trolled...
\_ So easily trolled...
\_ Your torn-up koran is in the glove compartment of my
0-60 in 8.1 seconds babe magnet DB-5. -John
\_ Perhaps you should keep a Walther PPK in the
glove box in case of GUN DUEL. :-)
\_ Are you scared? -ilyas
\_ My Mossberg 12-gauge fits in the trunk. -John
\_ ...... or a spoiler that looks like a high chair feeding tray. |
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