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| 2005/11/14 [Uncategorized] UID:40571 Activity:nil |
11/11 Oh please...
\_ Huh? |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40572 Activity:high |
11/14 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/opinion/14blochemarks.html?hp US using torture techniques learned from the North Vietnamese and North Koreans. w00t!! \_ http://tinypic.com/fneaza.jpg \- the world is flat! globalization! \_ How very kind of the US to legitimize the torture of US citizens by NV and NK. I mean, if it's OK for the US to torture, it must be OK to torture US citizens. \_ How very kind of the US to legitimize the torture of US citizens by NV and NK. I mean, if it's OK for the US to torture, it must be OK to torture US citizens. \_ I don't believe in torture but this is not the reason why. Whether or not we torture others has no bearing on what others will do to Americans overseas. No thug has ever said to himself, "Gee, I'd really like to rip this guy's teeth out and cut off some fingers but his country would never do that to me so I'll just give him a holy book of his choice, 3 squares, and hold him indefinitely instead". \_ It doesn't work directly like that. However, the fewer countries do it, the easier it is for the non-torturing countries to exert influence on the torturing countries c countries to exert influence on the torturing countries in a variety of ways. There are lots of other benefits to being a non-torturing country, for example making it easier to get support from moderates in your fight against the extremists. \_ Moderate countries or moderate citizens in your own? Internal support is required to a _limited_ extent in a democracy. In a heavy handed dictatorship, support from the militarty and secret services are the only necessary groups. There are no 'moderate' countries. Countries exist to benefit their population. They are naturally self-interested and will do what is necessary to further their own ends. \_ This is not really how the real world works. I know it works that way in Civ II, but in a dictatorship it is probably even more important to keep the general populace either on your side or in fear of you. \_ I don't play Civ II so I don't know what you're talking about. In a dictatorship, you can isolate and brainwash the people as seen in NK but that sort of isolation is economy crushing, as seen in NK, or you can beat them down with the military and secret service as seen in most dictatorships around the world through out time. Since getting beat down = fear, I think we're in agreement. \- "we've replaced the political science dept with a Civilization lab ..." \_ In other countries. Most moderate Muslims, before 9/11 and subsequent invasions, thought highly of the United States, especially of our freedoms, freedoms they would love to have in their countries. But when you rain down bombs on them and start up torture facilities why would they continue to help us against the fruitcakes in their countries who wish us harm? \_ Exactly who are these moderate Muslims who loved us so? And you have the second part backwards. If they got rid of the fruit cakes in their countries, there'd be no interest in bombing them. \_ http://tinyurl.com/dzngj "In Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country, three quarters of the people said they were attracted to the United States. After the Iraq War, that had dropped to 15 percent." \_ The United States WAS very popular in Muslim countries before 9/11 -- and so was President Clinton. The fruitcakes can't do much without moderate support. \_ You're nuts. What countries? Are you aware, for example, how often Muslim countries vote with us in the GA at the UN? Last I checked a few years ago it was averaging around 22% (during the Clinton years). The fruitcakes are doing a-OK without moderate support. Pick a year and get a history book and see how many acts of terror were committed around the world that year. You can do it for almost any year from 1960-now and find something. Not every year has a 9/11 but there's some real doosies going all the way back. You're living in a bubble. I think I've been trolled. \_ I even provided a link. And the "fruitcakes" are going to have to work overtime for decades to come even remotely close to the # of civilians the USA has killed in the last 40 years, indirectly or directly. \_ Indonesia was never the source of Muslim terrorists and isn't part of the middle east and although it is the single largest Muslim populated country it is not a majority of Muslims. As far as body count goes, how about 1 nuke? 1 germ? Are terrorists morally justified killing Western civ's until the body counts are equal? Madness. Also, you completely ignored my comments on UN votes and the fact that terrorism pre-dates anything related to the current or previous several administrations. IHBT. \_ Ok, you've convinced me lets torture everyone as payback for the nukes and bio-weapons they've used against us. \_ i'm sure that'll happen right after we stop bombing indonesia. oh wait. we never did that. maybe next time, troll. \- well the US draws lines where it wants like "we feel it is ok to torture irregular fighters who are not in uniform, not serving in a national army" etc. if some fellows in cambodia said "we believe it is ok to torture downed pilots engaging in secret bombings to find out when and where the next bombing run is" i am not sure that is appreciably crazier. oh but BUSHCO will claim it is completely difference because they wrote MEMOS. it is completely difference because we wrote MEMOS. \_ uhm, say what? i'd like to respond but i'm not really clear on exactly what point you're making so i'll leave it until you clarify. \- the source of a lot of resentment against the US is their double standards over many things and their ability to set agendas. e.g. free trade, ip pretection, standards of PoW treatment, what weapons are reasonable etc. \_ All countries are like that. \- all country may wish to be like that but they are not in fact all like that. look up the term "terms of trade". not all countries have sec council vetos. not all countries can dictate IMF policies etc. term "terms of trade" (i mean the vaguer usage). not all countries have sec council vetos. not all countries can dictate IMF policies etc. \_ they are all like that to the extent they are able. double standards are what countries are all about. that is inevitable when you acknowledge the natural "us vs. them" nature of their very existence and reason for being. \- you have defeated me. \_ Not true. Sweden is not like that, nor is The Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, etc. \_ Those aren't countries. They're counties. They also all live under the military umbrella of larger nations and have homogenous populations and no foreign policy of note since they lack a military or any real political or economic clout. However, I believe Belgium had their share of colonies in the past and had no problem with all that entails. Feel free to correct me on that if I have my history wrong. \- the congo was actually personally owned by king leopold, rather than being owned by the belgian state. he then left it to belgium in his will. that was a really nasty flavor of imperialism, even compared to other european powers in africa. you may wish to see King Leopolds Ghost etc. The author's sister teached at UCB. \_ You're wrong about Sweden not having a military. For its size its military spending has been rather high in recent decades as a policy of armed neutrality. Of course they must have benefited from NATO's opposition to Soviet aggression. Also it no longer has a homogeneous population as they too have taken on an immigrant population of Turks etc. I think that is true of Belgium and .nl also. They are countries in the traditional sense of the term; they just are not empires like the USA and Russia. \- i think the term you are looking for is "nation state". sweeden also has quite a militaristic past. \_ key phrase: "for its size". This is a very small country. If Ogo Pogo has 2 people and one of them is "the army" that doesn't mean Ogo Pogo has a real military even though they're spending 50% of their man power on the military. You get to the right idea at the end, though. Sweden is too small to be of any real consequence on the world stage of power politics where things like torturing people matters. Sweden is too small to be in a position to ever have captured anyone to torture or be really involved in anything important outside their immediate region. This is a game for world powers and their lackeys. \_ But President Bush told me Sweden had no military! I also rely on Dan Quayle for spelling advice ... \_ It's interesting how this article was written: "General Hill had sent this list - which included prolonged isolation and sleep deprivation, stress positions, physical assault and the exploitation of detainees' phobias - to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who approved most of the tactics in December 2002." Rumsfeld approved /most/ of them. Tell us, which ones were rejected? -emarkp \_ [Updated with better links] Here's Rummy describing what happened: http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/2004/tr20040713-secdef1001.html This was the request from GTMO to Rummy, upon which he accepted most and rejected a few, and six weeks later, rejected more: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2004/d20040622doc3.pdf So which ones did Rumsfeld initially reject? They're listed at the end: the end. Which ones were rejected six weeks later? Those are listed second to last: http://csua.org/u/e0g (usatoday.com) \_ According to this transcript, probably all of them (I *infer*) [that the author listed - sorry, wasn't clear about this], but Rummy said it was only for the 20th hijacker: http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/2004/tr20040713-secdef1001.html Also, "physical assault" probably meant the legal definition of assault, not punching or slapping them, which in this case just meant poking them among other things. I like this part: I like this part ... Rummy: "The techniques that you described were not used, I'm told, on anyone one other than Katani. We may find out that's not correct at some point in the future, but at least my information thus far is that that's the case." This was the request to Rummy, upon which he accepted/rejected some, and six weeks later, rejected more: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2004/d20040622doc3.pdf \_ So the reporter was a liar? He said the list "/included/" x y z and that Rumsfeld approved /most of them/. So we have a lists supposedly developed from SERE, some of which Rumsfeld didn't approve. So the entire claim of using methods we learned because they were done to our soldiers which "include abuse rising to the level of torture" is unfounded. -emarkp \_ Huh, what exactly are you saying the reporter is lying about? Please suggest an easy one first, please be clear, and please be concise. \_ The reporter said "most" were approved. The poster said "probably all of them". -emarkp \_ "all of them" that the author listed. The last sentence in my post was pretty clear that Rummy rejected/accepted some. |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Religion] UID:40573 Activity:moderate |
11/14 trick to weed out radical muslims in bay area..
what if someone just rips apart the koran in front
of a mosque... would that bring out the outrage and rioting
from radical muslims in the bay area or will this person
be put in prison for a hate crime?
\_ If you did the same thing with a bible in front of a
church, you'll get a lot of protest but I don't think
you will out anyone radical.
\- the logging motd is actually a trick to get idiots
to reveal themselves.
\_ i am not a radical muslim, but i would consider beating the
shit out of you for being an idiot.
\_ If I saw you beating the shit out of OP for ripping up a koran,
I'd jump in and beat the shit out of you. So now you know how
to bring radical atheists who believe in freedom of speech out
in the open. Oh yeah, I almost forgot--fuck you!
\_ I'd help OP beat the shit out of you, just for shits and
giggles and because it's the cool thing to do. -John
\_ I can take any three of you with my knife, which is
*always* at the ready. I'm suprised you would side with the
jesus-nazis.
\_ I think you have become confused. In the hypothetical
brawl, I'm on the same side as OP. I'll side with pretty
much anyone who pisses off a Christian or a Muslim. I'm
guessing mr. "beat the shit out of" is a Christian.
\_ Oh, I lost track of who was for or against what a few
posts ago. I just think it would be fun to get in a
fight with a bunch of morons beating on each other
while yelling religious profanities. -John
\_ sure you're not....
\_ and you would go to prison.
\_ Not necessarily, actually. If you provoke someone into
fighting you, the cops may actually opt to give the other
a fight, the cops may actually opt to give the other
guy a lesser charge or perhaps charge you both with something.
\_ Don't be an idiot. I can destroy a Koran if I like as an
expression of freedom of speech. -mrauser
expression of freedom of speech. -mrauser, noted
constitutional scholar.
\_ I'm not being an idiot -- you're not understanding my
point (which is perhaps my fault for being vague). Just
because you didn't throw the first punch doesn't mean
can't and won't be held accountable for your
you can't and won't be held accountable for your
participation in a physical altercation. I'll readily
acknowledge that this is OT, though - since the OP has
has made it clear that his intention is to 'rip up a
koran and magically summon muslim terrorist 20-ft
radius' or something. Sorry for the confusion.
\- you may be interested in Beauharnais v. Illinois
and more directly relevantly Chaplinsky v. NH.
i dont remember the exact details of Terminilello
but that may be on point too. ok tnx. --psb
\_ Huh -- interesting reading. There is some mention
of 'fighting words' in the Chaplinsky case, which
is what I was attempting to point out in my above
post. If I have the time, I'd dig up the exact
California Penal codes refer deal with this case.
Thanks for posting.
post. If I have the time, I'll dig up the exact
California Penal codes which deal with this
situation. Thanks for posting.
\- just as obscenity or symbolic speech or
advocacy of illegal action or libel are
subtopics of 1st amd jurisprudence/free
speech doctrine, "fighting words" is too,
although not as important an area.
these are sort of old cases however, so it
is unclear what their current status is.
there are lots of lower ct decisions about
yelling "fuck you" or "unhand me you nazi"
or "you have a fruitcake relig" type things
but much of this is probably not settled by
the USSC.
\_ 1. Cal. Penal Code may make this a crime, but
the 1st is incorporated so state law cannot
abridge the protection provided by the 1st.
(See Duncan, 391 US 145).
\- i thought CA const had higher protections
than 1st+incorp. i believe that came up
in pruneyard v. robins. although the
particular areas of greater protection
may not be relevant to this context.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_1
2. The 9th Cir's Barnett (667 F2d 835) theory
(also 4th Cir in Rice, 128 F3d 233) is prob.
not applicable here IF the law directly
regulates speech.
3. Chaplinsky is probably no longer good law
b/c of Brandenburg (395 US 444), Hess (414
US 105) and Claiborne Hardware (458 US 886).
Under the current std to show that the
speech is not protected, it must be shown
that the speech was intended (subjectively)
to produce "imminent lawless conduct" and
did or was likely to produce such conduct.
Seeing as the USSC has NEVER found such
conduct (Hess made a "threat" in front of
cops, and the ppl in Claiborne Hardware
said they would beat up anyone who crossed
the picket line), ripping up a koran or
a bible infront of a mosque/church wouldn't
qualify.
\_ I agree with your interpretation of speech
here but respectfully submit that the action
proposed is much more significant. That
said, perhaps still not enough to warrant
revocation of protection. Would love to
see a case where a flag burner was assaulted
for more relevant comparison.
4. I am not sure who the bigger idiot is here;
the person who wants to rip up the koran,
or the person who thinks that the free
exercise of one's 1st amend. right must be
deterred w/ physical violence. If your ideas
are superior to this fool's ideas, they why
don't you compete w/ him and win in the
marketplace of ideas?
[ Perhaps I am the biggest idiot of all for
even responding ]
\_ It sounds like you have no clue what a 'radical muslim' is.
I don't think picking a fight with a guy proves anything
other than how stupid and misguided you are. sorry.
\_ "... but I would consider beating the shit out of
you..." would result in you going to prison. What part
of that don't you understand?
\_ The part where that proves he's a 'radical muslim'.
\_ It sounds antagonistic for no particular reason. If the best way
we have to find radical muslim terrorists is making an art show out
of ripping up a Koran, we're doomed and should just start praying
east 3 times a day and save the hassle.
\_ Who's your favorite prayer carpet vendor?
\_ Omar's Carpetorium down on 8th street. He's working on his
website but you can just go down there.
\_ Wouldn't it be easier just to setup a suicide bomber recruitment
center and arrest those who are willing to strap bombs to
themselves?
\_ Arrest them? There's a simpler solution.
\_ One might even say a 'Final Solution'? |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Health/Men, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:40574 Activity:nil |
11/14 Terrorists arrested in Austrailia were planning attack on a
nuclear reactor:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051114/ts_nm/security_australia_plot_dc
And some of their supporters beat up a camera crew outside the
c courthouse:
http://csua.org/u/e0c
\_ I suggest we torture them immediately. Better to break their wills
than collect useful intelligence.
\_ I suggest we torture the OP for the abuse of an apostrophe. [OP
has fixed "we're" now, so my torture recommendation is rescinded]
\_ i think the remaining misspelling deserves some non-inhumane
treatment |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40575 Activity:nil |
11/14 Kazakhstan vs. Borat
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051114/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_kazakhstan_borat
\_ The guy's whole act is making fun of Kazakhstan? Where is he
from?
\_ Making fun of Kazakstan is incidental. The main act is to
pretend to be a reporter from Kazakhastan and ask wierd
wierd interview questions and try to get a funny response out of
the subject.
interview questions and try to get a funny response out of the
subject.
\- "We are from France"
\_ heh
\_ Hiiiii Fiiiive!!!
\_ Borat is Ali G aka Sacha Baron Cohen, who is actually a
Cambridge grad and highly eloquent in real life. -John |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:40576 Activity:moderate |
11/14 Ugg. It took me all of 20 seconds to figure out NIS on linux.
I can't even figure out how to lock a yppasswd on solaris. Help.
\_ Hint: Your issue is not with NIS
\_ Uhh, what is it with?
\_ Solaris' passwd mechanism doesn't provide a locking mechanism
(unless it's a recent addition i don't know about)
\_ from shadow(4):
The lock string is defined as *LK* in the
first four characters of the password field.
--Jon
\_ further note, you can use NP as the passwd string
which will allow uid to run cron jobs/etc --Jon
\_ Which you should not be using anyway...
\_ Well, I don't fault people using NIS in a secured corporate
environment.
\_ Hard on the outside, soft and chewy in the center.
\_ I've worked on a lot of networks and they have all
been like this (well, hardER on the outside anyway,
some were pretty soft all around).
\_ Probably, but with NIS you may as well not even
bother with security.
\_ NIS really isn't that bad in terms of
security if you have strong passwords
enforced. NFS, that's another thing. -tom
\- you need more than strong passwds. you need
tight securenets, you need to not let
people log into servers, you probably need
the servers hardcoded to the clients etc.
in many environments sniffed credientials
are now a bigger problems than cracked
passwds. once somebody gets unauthorized
access to an unpriv nis account, it is
highly likely they will be able to find
some local exploit. and without the other
issues raised above you are potentially vuln
if a machine not even in your domain but
just within your bcast domain is rooted.
that being said, i think nis has its place
but that is beyond the scope here.
\_ I didn't build the system, I was just hired to make
a few changes, not rebuild it. -top
\_ One good and fairly secure alternative to NIS, if you don't
want to go with with LDAP, is to setup cfengine to rebuild
/etc/{passwd,shadow} files on all machines. The downside of
doing this is that if someone roots a client box they can
still see your local /etc/shadow file. This sort of thing
could be prevented with LDAP. |
| 2005/11/14 [Reference/RealEstate, Reference/Tax] UID:40577 Activity:nil |
11/14 My Alameda County property tax statement reads "Secured Property Tax
Statement. What's the difference between Secured and Unsecured?
Thanks. |
| 2005/11/14 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:40578 Activity:high |
11/14 Unix newbie question:
How do you read / rename a file with name "-l" (dash-el)?
\_ I've always loved this question. "./-l"
\_ Sounds like CS9E homework.
\_ Aw, crap. you're probably right.
\_ Here's a better one: list all of the files present in a directory
(which may have subdirectories) which contain the character "-"
\_ Even better. How do I delete that file named "-rf"
\_ 'find' with the right options is the answer to everything. you
just need to find the right options. :-)
\_ man 3 getopt
\_ Uh. man rm. man mv. man cp. You shouldn't need to use
find or getopt or anything.
\_ cd [dir w/ file] && mv `pwd`/-l [new name]
\_ why use pwd instead of "."? |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:40579 Activity:nil |
11/14 The hunt for the worst sound in the world. http://www.sound101.org |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40580 Activity:nil |
11/14 Gallup poll shows 60% disapprove of Dubya's handling of job as
president. For the first time, more than half of Americans do not
think the description "honest and trustworthy" applies to Dubya:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/14/bush.poll/index.html
\_ 71% disapprove of the way Dubya is handling controlling federal
spending!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/2005-11-14-poll.htm
\_ The other 29% are "fiscal conservatives"? |
| 2005/11/14 [Uncategorized] UID:40581 Activity:kinda low 76%like:40586 |
11/14 How much of your favorite caffinated beverage would it take to
kill you?
http://www.energyfiend.com/death-by-caffeine
Me: 282.99 cans of Dr Pepper
\_ I'm pretty sure I could kill a man with a single can of Dr. Pepper.
\_ You weigh 170 pounds?
\_Me: 436 cans of DietPepsi, or rougly 40 gallons. I thikn I would
drown in them before the caffeine would be a problem. |
| 2005/11/14 [Uncategorized] UID:40582 Activity:nil |
11/14 Is mail messed up or is it just my deodorant? |
| 2005/11/14 [Uncategorized] UID:40583 Activity:nil |
11/14 http://csua.berkeley.edu/~tom/theplay_long.ram |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40584 Activity:moderate |
11/14 http://tinyurl.com/b4rql The woman suicide bomber did it becuase 3 of her brothers died in Iraq fighting Americans. Hahaha! We killed all their manfolks already, and now only women are left. We are winning! \_ Well, that's like cutting off her nose to spite her face. She should have bred children. |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Health/Disease/General] UID:40585 Activity:moderate |
11/14 Chilly external temperatures CAN lead to a cold. (duh)
http://csua.org/u/e0h (forbes.com)
"Researchers at Cardiff University in Wales asked 180 volunteers to ...
soak their feet in ice-cold water or place them in an empty bowl for 20
minutes. Of the people who soaked their feet in cold water, 29 percent
developed cold symptoms over the next four to five days, compared to 9
percent of those in the control group, the investigators report in the
Nov. 14 issue of the journal Family Practice."
\_ I say "placebo effect".
\_ The next experiment will have the control group soaking their
feet in warm water. Ph.D. here I comE1!!!!1
\_ They should have told the cold water crowd that the water
had been treated with a new drug that protects against the
cold.
\_ Indeed.
\_ These people were probably pulling ice cubes out
of their freezer. They had to do it for 20 minutes
a day for 1 week.
\_ Yeah, actually I'm reading that they just did the
20-minute soak for one day, and it was all students.
Not reliable. Oops! I'm with placebo guy, unless
they actually did virus count tests on all 180 ppl,
which I doubt. -op
\_ yeah, "duh". cold symptoms != having a cold. duh.
\_ latent infection -> full-blown cold symptoms -> real cold |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Science/GlobalWarming, Recreation/Food] UID:40586 Activity:low 76%like:40581 |
11/14 How much of your favorite caffinated beverage would it take to
kill you?
http://www.energyfiend.com/death-by-caffeine
\_ Interesting. I guess coffee has more caffeine than espresso drinks.
See Starbucks Grande Coffee vs. Grande Mocha's, Per unit volume,
obviously espresso wins, but per drink, coffee wins.
\- "it's the moles that get you"
\_ OMFG, Redline Caffeine drink: http://csua.org/u/e0j (Same site)
\_ http://caffeineweb.com/NASAStudy.htm |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40588 Activity:kinda low |
11/14 Time for silly motd confessional: I have been flirting with Kalamata
olives.
First, I hated olives. Later I would enjoy a very small bit of
tapenade on toast. Then I decided I would slowly nibble Kalamata
olives, but only 1 or 2 in a session. Now I devour them. OK, 'night.
\_ Same thing happened to me, but without the tapenade.
It's not hard to hate "California" olives (the black ones you get
on pizzas and everywhere). They're horrid.
\_ Where can I get some? Are they cheap? I've always hated
olives, I'm interested in the idea that some don't taste
like salted crap.
\_ Kalamata are ripe olives cured in red wine vinegar. The ones
with the pits in them have better texture. I've had nice ones
from the olive bins at Cheeseboard and Berkeley bowl.
\_ I like the pitted Kalamatas in olive oil in a bottle they have at
Trader Joe's. They're pretty cheap (~ $3, IIRC). The ones in
water are slightly more expensive and slightly "nicer" (fewer
ripped ones, etc), but the olive oil ones have a better mouth
feel. Mmm. Fat. --dbushong
\_ Kalamatas are often scored to allow the marinade to penetrate
better. |
| 2005/11/14-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:40589 Activity:moderate |
11/14 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051113/ap_on_re_us/asians_bullied Asian harassment up in other parts of the country. Time to move back to my motherland, the Bay Area, the land created by our people, for our people. -Asian \_ Funny, I experienced exactly the reverse in SF, until I got in a fight with the Korean bullies at my school--then they were nice to me. Maybe AZN bullies are just more pragmatic. -John \_ pragmatic you mean this Korean knows the chance of him relocated to ghetto or something? \_ Is "relocated to ghetto" some sort of "in" slang for "getting your ass kicked"? If so, yes. -John \_ Last week there was a news article about the same problem in Skyline High in Oakland. \_ Here's a way to solve the problem: Let the Asian community randomly select a certain percentage of kids among themselves. Force them to score low in tests and exams (by otherwise starving them, for example.) Make them go loitering instead of learning. Drop them example.) Make them to go loitering instead of learning. Drop them off at parties and lock them out of public libraries. Buy them video games instead of violins. Teach them street fighting instead of studying. This will bring down the average achievement of the community and will remove it from the bad guys' radar. example.) Make them to go loitering instead of learning. Spend time at parties instead of public libraries. Buy them video games instead of violins. Teach them street fighting instead of studying. That will bring down the average achievement of the community and will remove it from the bad guys' radar. Another way to solve the problem is for the other communities to do the opposite. \_ Nah, too complicated. Let's just create 2 sets of standards: 1 for Asians and 1 for non-Asians. Then you can just adjust the 2 standards to get whatever result you want. the 2 standards to get whatever result you want. You probably want to tweak the definition of "Asian" so that some populations with roots in Asia are included and some are not. |
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