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2005/11/10-11 [Transportation/Car] UID:40523 Activity:kinda low |
11/9 Over the calendar year, are there better and worse times to buy a new car? Or does that not really apply if you know how to price and negotiate? Does the brand make a difference? Say Audi A4 or 3-series BMW or the cheaper option with a Honda? \_ The best time is when the new model year comes out. You can save a lot of money on the old year. Even better is when they change body styles in a model year, if you like the old style. \_ Agreed. I bought my '96 Jeep Cherokee in 8/96, after Chrysler announced the first body style change in 13 years for the '97 model. Got a good deal. \_ and now they've replaced the cherokee entirely with the Liberty. ICK. \_ also if you cant wait try to buy at the end of the day and towards the end of the month, when they are more desperate to boost their numbers. but yeah, the best time is when the new models come out. \_ if you live in north, shop the car around Chrismas. People hates standing in the cold lots shopping for car... I got this from an very experienced car sales man :p |
2005/11/10-11 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:40524 Activity:nil |
11/9 Regarding multi-zone DVD's. Anyone know how to make your Apple G5 DVD-player multizone? It offers up to 5 switches before it's stuck in one zone forever. I have both DVD's legitimately bought overseas and in the US. \_ install VLC. If I remember it right, VLC has DeCSS built-in. however, you *WILL* become a criminal who violates Intellectual Properties right. Not all DVD works, though. \_ Depending on the model you may be able to flash it w/ a region free firmware. Take a look at the following: http://lasvegas.rpc1.org http://tdb.rpc1.org |
2005/11/10-11 [Recreation/Dating] UID:40525 Activity:kinda low |
11/9 Look closely at Dans pictures and you can see that her young body cant keep up with her breast growth. Cute little stretch marks can be seen on the tops of her boobs. She might have many more years of cup size enlargement. Dan doesnt seem shy about hiding her cleavage thats for sure. Shame the pictures are not the highest resolution. All the preview pictures here on bustywebshots are saved at their actual size. http://bustywebshots.blogspot.com/2005/11/dan.html \_ At first I thought this link was about danh. I looked anyways. -ax \_ I was thinking dans, as in Dan Silverstein \_ At first I thought this link was about danh. I looked anyways. -ax \_ I was thinking dans, as in Dan Silverstein \_ Me2. \_ Mostly I chalk it up to the ongoing death of grammar and people's inability to properly use apostrophes. You'll have to forgive me as my grandfather recently passed on and I've been too busy mourning to muck about with the motd. -dans \_ Are those wounds from implant surgery? |
2005/11/10 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40526 Activity:nil |
11/9 Has anyone read this? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566636434/002-6911668-5155237?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance |
2005/11/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40527 Activity:kinda low |
11/9 I find this informative: La Belle France: A country of equality and exclusion - Yahoo! News http://csua.org/u/dz4 What does "La Belle France" mean? Thx. \_ I assume "France the Beautiful" \_ I assume "France smells." \_ % dict belle A young lady of superior beauty and attractions... "La Belle France" == the hot French chick. \_ It means 'The Beautiful France'. |
2005/11/10-12 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40528 Activity:nil |
11/10 What freepers think of the riots in France (scroll down for pics) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1519435/posts \_ Frankly I doubt whether most freepers know where France is. -John |
2005/11/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40529 Activity:nil |
11/9 LA school district provided buses to send students to political protests. http://csua.org/u/dz5 \_ It's okay to sponsor political activities with taxpayers' money, as long as it's Democratic activities. long as it's Democratic political activities. |
2005/11/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Recreation/Dating] UID:40530 Activity:nil |
11/9 Has anyone read this? [Long url deleted. You must shorten +80col URLs] \_ You're a prick. You could just make a macro to replace a url with its shortcutted version rather than replacing it with that useless line. \_ Maybe, but you should do your part too. \_ Shortened link: http://csua.org/u/dz9 |
2005/11/10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40531 Activity:insanely high |
11/10 Pat Buchanan, who was always against the invasion of Iraq, rubs it in "Thus, in March, 2003, Bush, in perhaps the greatest strategic blunder in U.S. history, invaded an Arab nation that had not attacked us, did not want war with us, and did not threaten us--to strip it of weapons we now know it did not have. Result: Shia and Kurds have been liberated from Saddam, but Iran has a new ally in southern Iraq, Osama has a new base camp in the Sunni Triangle, the Arab and Islamic world have been radicalized against the United States, and copy-cat killers of Al Qaida have been targeting our remaining allies in Europe and the Middle East: Spain, Britain, Egypt and Jordan. And, lest we forget, 2055 Americans are dead and Walter Reed is filling up." http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10210 \_ Uhm, Pat was never on the Dubya bandwagon. Pat has always been an isolationist. He is opposed to US membership in the UN and most other forms of non-trade involvement with the rest of the world. \_ uh, yerright about his being anti-neocon the whole time http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover.html \_ Yeah, weird how some people on the motd actually know wtf they're talking about and are beyond the black/white "h8t u awl!!1" political 'philosophy' espoused by too many here. Pat has been consistent in his isolationist views going back to GWB's pre-politics days. Too many people around here find some random tidbit and post it thinking they're making some big point or there's some giant earth shaking change going on, but who have essentially zero real knowledge of history. It's mostly the silly "gotcha!" and "we're winning!" stuff which is no better than dailykos or freepers. \_ shrug, it was random enough to be first on http://drudgereport.com \_ exactly. I read drudge for the "man bitten by >insert name of dangerous animal<" links. He also posts some oddball stuff you won't find else where which is fun. The rest is pre-posts of NYT editorials, political sniping, various forms of rabble rousing to keep his hit rates up, and the inevitable cross links to other sites in what looks like an ad/link swap deal, mostly recently with breitbart(sp?) news. I don't read drudge for in depth and meaningful political commentary. I honestly was completely oblivious to the notion that there was a real conservative group (other than the Scowcroft, etc. old-hands assoc w/ Bush Sr.) that opposed the invasion pre-invasion -op \_ That's why they're called "neo" cons. There are still plenty (I'd guess a majority) of conservatives who are in favor of not invading other countries, lower taxes, less spending, smaller government, and all the other traditional conservative agenda items. Thus it makes me laugh and sad at the same time to see the various motd personalities posting as if the freepers are the sole representatives of the conservative movement. Laughter from how ignorant a belief that is and sadness at how closely otherwise intelligent people hold such a belief. \_ Okay, I'll update the link to reflect that. |
2005/11/10-12 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:40532 Activity:nil |
11/10 http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?PageID=809 "The polling also finds that in most majority-Muslim countries surveyed, support for suicide bombings and other acts of violence in defense of Islam has declined significantly. ... A notable exception to this trend is Jordan, where a majority (57%) now says suicide bombings and other violent actions are justifiable in defense of Islam." (July 14, 2005) http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=206 (March 16, 2004) [note that support for suicide bombings against coalition forces in Iraq dropped from 70 to 49% in Jordan from the '04 to '05 reports] |
2005/11/10-12 [Computer/SW/Apps] UID:40533 Activity:moderate |
11/10 Which chat program is the most popular these days? AOL IM? Yahoo Messenger? ICQ? I'm trying to sign up for one. Thx. \_ AIM in USA, MSN for rest of the world. Don't bother with ICQ, as the protocol is merging with AIM anyway. If I were you, I get account in both AIM and MSN and use GAIM/Adium/Trillian as client. \_ Most people use AIM but there's always enough people who don't that you need a multi-protocol client like GAIM, Adium, or Trillian. \_ Most geeks use something like GAIM or Trillian b/c then it doesn't matter what other people are using, you can use them all. If you're trying to pick a main account to use, it really doesn't matter much. \_ Most popular according to what standard? \_ The most chatting activity, I guess. -- OP \_ There are no objective studies that can answer your question. Perhaps you can try an answerable question? \_ AIM seems to be the most popular, at least in the US, but a coworker of mine claims that it's not really used outside of the US, so he uses MSN to chat to his friends in Sri Lanka and Britain. An intern who I used to work at Microsoft says that MSN was a joke and he didn't know anyone at school (MIT) who used it, and the only place he's ever seen it used was at MS. Like pp says, it's hard or impossible to answer the question. \_ Well, when someone comes from a school where people think it's normal to write an English paper in LaTeX using vi, I find it difficult to take their ideas about what constitutes "normal" seriously. \_ English paper in LaTeX using vi? That's silly. I used troff and vi. --dbushong \- i dont think people at mit use vi much. they use emacs. they alsi used to use Scribe, not LaTeX. dunno about they also used to use Scribe, not LaTeX. dunno about now. maybe they have Word Creep too. \_ You're silly. My English teachers were happy to accept my punch cards. \_ Ha ha! Son, in my day, they accepted the fully wired bread board -- and we had to improvise our wire with recycled vaccum tube radio parts. \_ My English teacher was happy to accept my three-hole- punch on her. punching on her. \_ air tight seal? \_ Tight, and sealed with lubes. |
2005/11/10-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40534 Activity:kinda low |
11/10 Faux News shows 36% approve of Dubya's job performance http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob1.htm \_ Didn't we already go over this whole thing? What happens if his ratings drop to 0? Nothing. What does it mean? Nothing. I guess if it amuses you, whatever, it's harmless but you seem really hung up on it. \_ yes, we did, but it appears that you didn't actually learn anything. \_ I learned too many people are obsessed with the wrong things and think random numbers on a lame duck president matter. Politics is local. GWB didn't brain wash half the country. When he's out of office and forgotten those 51% will still vote the same way. \_ I'm hoping the 20% of people who apparently changed their minds since Bush's second election won't vote in another nation- wrecking idiot. --PeterM \_ Fat chance. their attention spans are too short to remember any of this stuff in 2008. Especially if it's vs. Hillary. \_ Yup in a few years Katrina, Plamegate, etc., will be drowned out by the usual God, Guns & Gays. \_ There's no "there" there. \_ If the president has a low approval rating it becomes a lot harder for him to convince modertate congresscritters to take his side. That matters a lot. \_ It also makes it potentially harder to keep a decisive edge in the interim elections. \_ Politics is local. If politics were national, then the whole country would be (R) since we've had more (R) years at the top level in the last 30 years than (D). |
2005/11/10-12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:40535 Activity:moderate |
11/10 Top state Dem in FL proposes mandatory Spanish in K-2 in FL schools: http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=4859 My favorite quote: "I've heard it the other way that English was the language here and that's the way it's going to be. On the other hand, there **is** [emphasis mine] a lot of Spanish people here. No, it doesn't surprise me. I just don't like it," said parent Ed Barrick. Looks like they need more English teaching first. \_ Spanish or Latino? \_ Yeah, let them all learn Spanish, so that those of us who speak Asian languages will be in higher demand and can ask for higher salaries. \_ When everyone in the US speaks Spanish you will be at a *disadvantage* when you cannot. \_ Yeah, if you want to work at Walmart. \_ You will when Walmart is the only industry left in the US! (Which will be about the same time when everyone in the US speaks Spanish) \_ Uh....right, but that brings us two levels back up to the thread to where us Mandarin speakers will still be employed. Of course, I don't seriously believe any of that anyway. Spanish will never replace English anywhere that matters to tech people. \_ Wow, I don't think I could've telegraphed that sarcasm anymore clearly. -pp \_ How can you possibly perceive Mandarin to ever be more important to US business than Spanish? Even with all the trade with China, Spanish is the more useful language in the USA. \_ Uhhh... He never said that it would be more important, just that rarity confers value. \_ Yes, I am sure your tech company is willing to pay so much more for you if you can speak some rarely used language like Inukitut. Rarity doesn't confer value as much as demand does in this instance. \_ You are correct. That's supply and demand. Sorry I didn't state it more clearly. \_ There are, what, a billion people who speak Mandarin natively? In the end, jobs that will stay in the US will require good English communication skills. It's much easier to find someone who speaks Mandarin well than someone who speaks English well. \_ I had thought this conversation was a dumb as it could possibly get, but you have brought it to a new low. Congratulations. \_ I'm guessing you don't work in the industry. This article reflects reality quite well. http://www.slate.com/id/2126685 When we were hiring a FAE in China, we hired one that could speak English best. The marketing guy the FAE reported to (who owned the Huawei account) is a mid-30's white guy who couldn't speak a word of Chinese. When we hired him, we were looking for a guy who could help us formulate and communicate a strategy; Chinese was not even on the list of requirements. \_ you gotta becareful with your decision. FAE requires to talk to engineers, and engineers in general don't have good foreign language skill. Be able to speak Chinese is much more advantageous. But such advantage won't be seen by those who don't interact with customers at their native language level. -system engineer work in ASIA \_ Right. Whhat I meant was we chose the Mandarin speaker who could speak English best. For us, Chinese is a requirement for firstline in- country types, but it is at best a low nice-to-have for higher- level jobs. \_ And so you continue to make an irrelevent point. \_ No, the point is that Chinese gets you jobs in China. English gets you jobs here. This will be even more true in the future, if you assume that globalization is efficient. \_ And speaking both well will get you jobs in both. Which was the orginal point. \_ And my point is that it's much more important to speak English well, if one is interested in employment in the States. I've observed that the vast majority of the Mandarine types here don't speak English well at all. There is a vast difference between being able to communicate in a language and being able to communicate well in a language. _\ I don't know about tech, but I know many BA/ MBA friends getting sourcing/purchasing type jobs where Chinese either helps or is essential. One just got sent to Beijing with a really nice package including a US$5000 per month housing allowance to setup operations there (John Deere). My gf also does sourcing for her small US employer, and she says she has already saved her employer $500k per year after working for a few months on switching to China sources. As for tech, I am not sure if it would always be doing management here, and tech stuff there. I think China is only just getting started. Knowing English and Mandarin well is a good advantage. The fact that most Chinese here and in China don't speak English well just means it's even more valuable that one speaks English well, AND knows Chinese. \_ My guess is that marketing and mid+ management will stay here, first level management and individual contributors will ultimately all get outsourced. Definition will stay in the States, design and manufacturing abroad. All of which says you'd better be able to communicate well if you want to prosper here. Chinese may get you a job, but prosper job here. Chinese may get you a job, but English gets you ahead. In the end, knowing Chinese may be no more useful than knowing C for someone in tech. How many mid or senior management types actually know C or think it matters? How types actually know C or thinks it matters? How many marketing types? Now consider what that means when coding and first-level management is outsourced to China. \_ Marketing depends on where the market is. For instance, cell phones, the China market is huge, and I doubt you will know how to market there if you don't know Chinese. As for management, as China develops from a manufacturing base to a more mature economy with big demands for imports, the number of good jobs requiring Chinese will continue to grow. Sure, if you are the stay home type and want to remain in the US, and get ahead, you need to be good at English. Nobody is arguing about that. But even if staying here, knowing Chinese is an added advantage, that will likely become more and more valuable going forward, again, in terms of the number of jobs where Chinese helps or is a requirement. \_ The problem is we are finite beings. There is a limit to how much we can know and how much time we have to learn. Knowing Chinese is valuable. So is knowing Spanish, or French, or Swahili. Some things are more useful than others. Given you cannot learn everything, you have to decide what to learn. So learn Chinese? Sure. So long as you make sure you know English well first. Now, how many of you chest-thumping Chinese speakers speak English well? \_ Learning a new language from scratch is tough. On the other hand if you already speak English and Chinese well, you should gloat over your superior you should gloat about your superior language abilities, and rub it in on people who seem bitter about it. \_ Uh, you do realize there are regional differences in vocabulary and grammar in English (as well as most languages). \_ I'm a bit disappointed that nobody here seems to have even thought of the positive implications of teaching the kids _any_ foreign language (Spanish, Chinese, who gives) just to get them used to the idea of learning something unfamiliar and getting them to think a bit more internationally. The Chinese and Indian kids coming to the US speaking English, and the European students who've been learning English/German/French/Spanish/whatever, some of them from grade 1 (however badly they speak it is another issue) should tell you something. -John \_ In general Americans, esp. the isolated, non-coastal Red states don't really give a damn about thinking internationally. At any rate they (freepers) should learn their own language first. \_ International thinking is fine and all but frankly most of them will never set foot outside the country or ever have a need for a second language. I'd prefer they learn to read/write English. Hey, maybe knowing some basic math without a calculator would be nice, too. \_ I have a feeling that USA is going to become to what happened to Roman Empire in the good old days, where the official language (Latin) is different than what is more commonly spoken through out the empire (Ancient Greek). \_ The US doesn't have an official language. \- Ave. some comments: 1. the greek of homer != the greek of polybius or the biblical writers. the Koine greek was sort of a lower vernacular or sloppy greek. i believe "ancient greek" usually refers to an older version of the language 2. latin and the koine were the second languages for a lot of people distant from rome or athens. 3. the koine while somewhat common to the east, a legacy of alexander...and indeed would later be adopted by the eastern roman empire,was not common in the western empire, where latin would be used more than the koine (and of course the church of rome in the west would go with their own brand of latin). FYI, probably the top scholar on the flavor of latin). FYI, probably the top scholar on the relationship between Rome and the Hellenic/Hellenistic world(s?) is E GRUEN/UCB History. you may wish to see say Chapeter V http://csua.org/u/dzh and Chapter 2,7 in http://csua.org/u/dzi Graecia capta ferum victorem capit. --Horace. ok vale. |
2005/11/10-12 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40536 Activity:nil |
11/10 Pat Buchanan, who was always against the invasion of Iraq, rubs it in http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10210 \_ This is funny, because "Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's initiatives" were opposed by Partisans of both sides. \_ Uhm, Pat was never on the Dubya bandwagon. Pat has always been an isolationist. He is opposed to US membership in the UN and most other forms of non-trade involvement with the rest of the world. \_ uh, yerright about his being anti-neocon the whole time http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover.html \_ Yeah, weird how some people on the motd actually know wtf they're talking about and are beyond the black/white "h8t u awl!!1" political 'philosophy' espoused by too many here. Pat has been consistent in his isolationist views going back to GWB's pre-politics days. Too many people around here find some random tidbit and post it thinking they're making some big point or there's some giant earth shaking change going on, but who have essentially zero real knowledge of history. It's mostly the silly "gotcha!" and "we're winning!" stuff which is no better than dailykos or freepers. \_ shrug, it was random enough to be first on http://drudgereport.com \_ exactly. I read drudge for the "man bitten by >insert name of dangerous animal<" links. He also posts some oddball stuff you won't find else where which is fun. The rest is pre-posts of NYT editorials, political sniping, various forms of rabble rousing to keep his hit rates up, and the inevitable cross links to other sites in what looks like an ad/link swap deal, mostly recently with breitbart(sp?) news. I don't read drudge for in depth and meaningful political commentary. I honestly was completely oblivious to the notion that there was a real conservative group (other than the Scowcroft, etc. old-hands assoc w/ Bush Sr.) that opposed the invasion pre-invasion -op \_ That's why they're called "neo" cons. There are still plenty (I'd guess a majority) of conservatives who are in favor of not invading other countries, lower taxes, less spending, smaller government, and all the other traditional conservative agenda items. Thus it makes me laugh and sad at the same time to see the various motd personalities posting as if the freepers are the sole representatives of the conservative movement. Laughter from how ignorant a belief that is and sadness at how closely otherwise intelligent people hold such a belief. \_ Okay, I'll update the link to reflect that. \_ Isolationists are far right, not "non-neo". \_ Those "agenda items" are far too vague and meaningless. Anybody agrees with that. A politician can go up and talk about that kind of general shit just like they talk about helping the poor and with prescription drugs and etc. and everybody goes "yay!" to anything and everything except actual tax raising or program cuts, at which point both parties are looking exactly the same. And the political discourse in this country is more concerned about stuff like religion and whether somebody "flip-flops". \_ They're not vague at all. What is vague about smaller government, less spending, lower taxes, local control, and an isolationist leaning international policy? These are policy platforms for the ages, not specific laws, but you knew the difference between policy and philosophy and were just being silly. |
2005/11/10-14 [Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:40537 Activity:moderate |
11/10 http://www.politicalcompass.org Another measure of your position on the political spectrum. I'm -2.25 Left, -5.64 Libertarian. -nivra \_ Link doesn't work. \_ Some of these questions are loaded. Also, does "Our race" mean the human race, or white/asian/black/etc? \_ I presume it means the race of the person taking the study. \_ -4.65 left, -3.85 libertarian -- I could be the next Dalai Lama! -eric \_ -2.75 left, -0.87 libertarian --dim \_ -2.63 left, -4.31 libertarian -mice \_ Isn't this old? This has been posted several times. Too bad our friendly archiving is gone. \_ archiving wouldn't have prevented it from being posted, nor would it have prevented people from posting responses. \_ "The old one-dimensional categories of 'right' and 'left' , established for the seating arrangement of the French National Assembly of 1789 ......" Is this real? I've been wondering about the origins of the left/right notation. \_ Yes. The people who supported the monarchy sat on the right of the chamber, right being the position of respect (as in "right hand man"). The "common people", who opposed the absolute power of the monarchy and the aristocracy, sat on the left. -gm \_ -5.50 left, -5.90 libertarian. -tom \_ Is the Chinese authority moving from Stalin-like to Hitler-like? \_ Everyone on the left huh? 4.13 left, -1.08 libertarian \_ 3.25 left/right, 0.15 libertarian \- -3.13Left,-2.67Lib. i think that overstates my leftiness. the moral phil test is better. --psb \_ urlP \_ #t \_ 4.75 Right, -2.31 Libertarian. \- -3.13Left,-2.67Lib. i think that overstates my leftiness. --psb the moral phil test is better. \_ some of the squestions are poorly written like the one about "plant genetic resources". \_ Its fairly obvious they mean the "terminator" gene, but it could also include vegetables w/ animal dna. \_ "Astrology accurately explains many things"? Well, yes. The question is what things. \_ -3.25 left/right, -6.62 Lib/Authoritarian. Does this mean I'm a fucking hippy? \_ Only if you are having sex, if not it just makes you a hippy. -ax \_ I find it amusing that classic liberalism is labeled neo-liberalism on their chart. \_ Economic Left/Right: -0.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.72 This makes me a moderate, while most of you think of me as conservative. It seems like the test is a little skewed towards the left, but it could be the Berkeley curve throwing things off. -ax \_ 0.50 left, 5.18 libertarian. Hrm. -John \_ -5.38 left, -6.72 libertarian. -niloc \_ -0.25 left, -2.36 lib. This thing is definitely skewed to the left in the economic scale at least. I am pretty certain that their "International Chart" showing a whole bunch of famous leaders in in the authoritarian+right is wrong; that they are inaccurately describing "rightist" economic attitudes with their questions on that subject. In reality I think the modern notion of the center is somewhere to the left of their absolute scale. (On the other hand I do consider myself a moderate and it puts me there...) \_ -5.88 left, -4.92 lib |
2005/11/10-13 [Science/Biology] UID:40538 Activity:low |
11/10 The Vatican taking a pro-evolution stance? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1052-1860310,00.html \_ The Vatican has a much more rational attitude toward science than they had during the time of Galileo. --PM \_ I think it's actually really cool that the Vatican has an astronomical observatory in Arizona: http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VO.html \_ Catholics and evolution: http://www.catholic.com/library/Adam_Eve_and_Evolution.asp \_ How many more times do we have to prove that the Church is wrong before it stops changing its version of eternal truth? \_ I wonder if you read the http://catholic.com link above. I found it very interesting. |
2005/11/10-12 [Uncategorized] UID:40539 Activity:nil |
11/10 http://grm.cdn.hinet.net/xuite/56/0c/12067215/blog_13366/dv/3913063/3913063.wmv Is she lipsycning? Or is she really singing? \_ Yes. |
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