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| 2005/11/10-11 [Transportation/Car] UID:40523 Activity:kinda low |
11/9 Over the calendar year, are there better and worse times
to buy a new car? Or does that not really apply if you know
how to price and negotiate? Does the brand make a difference?
Say Audi A4 or 3-series BMW or the cheaper option with a Honda?
\_ The best time is when the new model year comes out. You can
save a lot of money on the old year. Even better is when they
change body styles in a model year, if you like the old style.
\_ Agreed. I bought my '96 Jeep Cherokee in 8/96, after Chrysler
announced the first body style change in 13 years for the '97
model. Got a good deal.
\_ and now they've replaced the cherokee entirely with the
Liberty. ICK.
\_ also if you cant wait try to buy at the end of the day and
towards the end of the month, when they are more desperate
to boost their numbers. but yeah, the best time is when
the new models come out.
\_ if you live in north, shop the car around Chrismas. People
hates standing in the cold lots shopping for car... I got this
from an very experienced car sales man :p |
| 2005/11/10-11 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:40524 Activity:nil |
11/9 Regarding multi-zone DVD's. Anyone know how to make your Apple G5
DVD-player multizone? It offers up to 5 switches before it's stuck
in one zone forever. I have both DVD's legitimately bought overseas
and in the US.
\_ install VLC. If I remember it right, VLC has DeCSS built-in.
however, you *WILL* become a criminal who violates Intellectual
Properties right. Not all DVD works, though.
\_ Depending on the model you may be able to flash it w/ a region
free firmware. Take a look at the following:
http://lasvegas.rpc1.org
http://tdb.rpc1.org |
| 2005/11/10-11 [Recreation/Dating] UID:40525 Activity:kinda low |
11/9 Look closely at Dans pictures and you can see that her young body
cant keep up with her breast growth. Cute little stretch marks can
be seen on the tops of her boobs. She might have many more years
of cup size enlargement. Dan doesnt seem shy about hiding her
cleavage thats for sure. Shame the pictures are not the highest
resolution. All the preview pictures here on bustywebshots are saved
at their actual size.
http://bustywebshots.blogspot.com/2005/11/dan.html
\_ At first I thought this link was about danh. I looked anyways. -ax
\_ I was thinking dans, as in Dan Silverstein
\_ At first I thought this link was about danh. I looked anyways. -ax
\_ I was thinking dans, as in Dan Silverstein
\_ Me2.
\_ Mostly I chalk it up to the ongoing death of grammar and
people's inability to properly use apostrophes. You'll
have to forgive me as my grandfather recently passed on
and I've been too busy mourning to muck about with the
motd. -dans
\_ Are those wounds from implant surgery? |
| 2005/11/10 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40526 Activity:nil |
11/9 Has anyone read this?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566636434/002-6911668-5155237?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance |
| 2005/11/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40527 Activity:kinda low |
11/9 I find this informative:
La Belle France: A country of equality and exclusion - Yahoo! News
http://csua.org/u/dz4
What does "La Belle France" mean? Thx.
\_ I assume "France the Beautiful"
\_ I assume "France smells."
\_ % dict belle
A young lady of superior beauty and attractions...
"La Belle France" == the hot French chick.
\_ It means 'The Beautiful France'. |
| 2005/11/10-12 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40528 Activity:nil |
11/10 What freepers think of the riots in France (scroll down for pics)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1519435/posts
\_ Frankly I doubt whether most freepers know where France is. -John |
| 2005/11/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40529 Activity:nil |
11/9 LA school district provided buses to send students to political
protests. http://csua.org/u/dz5
\_ It's okay to sponsor political activities with taxpayers' money, as
long as it's Democratic activities.
long as it's Democratic political activities. |
| 2005/11/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Recreation/Dating] UID:40530 Activity:nil |
11/9 Has anyone read this?
[Long url deleted. You must shorten +80col URLs]
\_ You're a prick. You could just make a macro to replace a url with
its shortcutted version rather than replacing it with that useless
line.
\_ Maybe, but you should do your part too.
\_ Shortened link: http://csua.org/u/dz9 |
| 2005/11/10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40531 Activity:insanely high |
11/10 Pat Buchanan, who was always against the invasion of Iraq, rubs it in
"Thus, in March, 2003, Bush, in perhaps the greatest strategic blunder
in U.S. history, invaded an Arab nation that had not attacked us, did
not want war with us, and did not threaten us--to strip it of weapons
we now know it did not have. Result: Shia and Kurds have been liberated
from Saddam, but Iran has a new ally in southern Iraq, Osama has a new
base camp in the Sunni Triangle, the Arab and Islamic world have been
radicalized against the United States, and copy-cat killers of Al Qaida
have been targeting our remaining allies in Europe and the Middle East:
Spain, Britain, Egypt and Jordan. And, lest we forget, 2055 Americans
are dead and Walter Reed is filling up."
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10210
\_ Uhm, Pat was never on the Dubya bandwagon. Pat has always been an
isolationist. He is opposed to US membership in the UN and most
other forms of non-trade involvement with the rest of the world.
\_ uh, yerright about his being anti-neocon the whole time
http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover.html
\_ Yeah, weird how some people on the motd actually know wtf
they're talking about and are beyond the black/white "h8t
u awl!!1" political 'philosophy' espoused by too many here.
Pat has been consistent in his isolationist views going back
to GWB's pre-politics days. Too many people around here find
some random tidbit and post it thinking they're making some
big point or there's some giant earth shaking change going on,
but who have essentially zero real knowledge of history.
It's mostly the silly "gotcha!" and "we're winning!" stuff
which is no better than dailykos or freepers.
\_ shrug, it was random enough to be first on http://drudgereport.com
\_ exactly. I read drudge for the "man bitten by >insert
name of dangerous animal<" links. He also posts some
oddball stuff you won't find else where which is fun.
The rest is pre-posts of NYT editorials, political
sniping, various forms of rabble rousing to keep his
hit rates up, and the inevitable cross links to other
sites in what looks like an ad/link swap deal, mostly
recently with breitbart(sp?) news. I don't read drudge
for in depth and meaningful political commentary.
I honestly was completely oblivious to the notion that
there was a real conservative group (other than the
Scowcroft, etc. old-hands assoc w/ Bush Sr.) that opposed
the invasion pre-invasion -op
\_ That's why they're called "neo" cons. There are still
plenty (I'd guess a majority) of conservatives who are
in favor of not invading other countries, lower taxes,
less spending, smaller government, and all the other
traditional conservative agenda items. Thus it makes
me laugh and sad at the same time to see the various
motd personalities posting as if the freepers are the
sole representatives of the conservative movement.
Laughter from how ignorant a belief that is and sadness
at how closely otherwise intelligent people hold such
a belief.
\_ Okay, I'll update the link to reflect that. |
| 2005/11/10-12 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:40532 Activity:nil |
11/10 http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?PageID=809 "The polling also finds that in most majority-Muslim countries surveyed, support for suicide bombings and other acts of violence in defense of Islam has declined significantly. ... A notable exception to this trend is Jordan, where a majority (57%) now says suicide bombings and other violent actions are justifiable in defense of Islam." (July 14, 2005) http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=206 (March 16, 2004) [note that support for suicide bombings against coalition forces in Iraq dropped from 70 to 49% in Jordan from the '04 to '05 reports] |
| 2005/11/10-12 [Computer/SW/Apps] UID:40533 Activity:moderate |
11/10 Which chat program is the most popular these days? AOL IM? Yahoo
Messenger? ICQ? I'm trying to sign up for one. Thx.
\_ AIM in USA, MSN for rest of the world. Don't bother with ICQ,
as the protocol is merging with AIM anyway. If I were you, I
get account in both AIM and MSN and use GAIM/Adium/Trillian as
client.
\_ Most people use AIM but there's always enough people who don't
that you need a multi-protocol client like GAIM, Adium, or Trillian.
\_ Most geeks use something like GAIM or Trillian b/c then it doesn't
matter what other people are using, you can use them all. If you're
trying to pick a main account to use, it really doesn't matter much.
\_ Most popular according to what standard?
\_ The most chatting activity, I guess. -- OP
\_ There are no objective studies that can answer your question.
Perhaps you can try an answerable question?
\_ AIM seems to be the most popular, at least in the US, but a coworker
of mine claims that it's not really used outside of the US, so he
uses MSN to chat to his friends in Sri Lanka and Britain. An intern
who I used to work at Microsoft says that MSN was a joke and he
didn't know anyone at school (MIT) who used it, and the only place
he's ever seen it used was at MS. Like pp says, it's hard or
impossible to answer the question.
\_ Well, when someone comes from a school where people think it's
normal to write an English paper in LaTeX using vi, I find it
difficult to take their ideas about what constitutes "normal"
seriously.
\_ English paper in LaTeX using vi? That's silly. I used troff
and vi. --dbushong
\- i dont think people at mit use vi much. they use emacs.
they alsi used to use Scribe, not LaTeX. dunno about
they also used to use Scribe, not LaTeX. dunno about
now. maybe they have Word Creep too.
\_ You're silly. My English teachers were happy to accept
my punch cards.
\_ Ha ha! Son, in my day, they accepted the fully
wired bread board -- and we had to improvise our
wire with recycled vaccum tube radio parts.
\_ My English teacher was happy to accept my three-hole-
punch on her.
punching on her.
\_ air tight seal?
\_ Tight, and sealed with lubes. |
| 2005/11/10-12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40534 Activity:kinda low |
11/10 Faux News shows 36% approve of Dubya's job performance
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob1.htm
\_ Didn't we already go over this whole thing? What happens if his
ratings drop to 0? Nothing. What does it mean? Nothing. I guess
if it amuses you, whatever, it's harmless but you seem really hung
up on it.
\_ yes, we did, but it appears that you didn't actually learn
anything.
\_ I learned too many people are obsessed with the wrong things
and think random numbers on a lame duck president matter.
Politics is local. GWB didn't brain wash half the country.
When he's out of office and forgotten those 51% will still
vote the same way.
\_ I'm hoping the 20% of people who apparently changed their minds
since Bush's second election won't vote in another nation-
wrecking idiot. --PeterM
\_ Fat chance. their attention spans are too short to remember
any of this stuff in 2008. Especially if it's vs. Hillary.
\_ Yup in a few years Katrina, Plamegate, etc., will be
drowned out by the usual God, Guns & Gays.
\_ There's no "there" there.
\_ If the president has a low approval rating it becomes a lot
harder for him to convince modertate congresscritters to take
his side. That matters a lot.
\_ It also makes it potentially harder to keep a decisive
edge in the interim elections.
\_ Politics is local. If politics were national, then the
whole country would be (R) since we've had more (R) years
at the top level in the last 30 years than (D). |
| 2005/11/10-12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:40535 Activity:moderate |
11/10 Top state Dem in FL proposes mandatory Spanish in K-2 in FL schools:
http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=4859
My favorite quote: "I've heard it the other way that English was the
language here and that's the way it's going to be. On the other hand,
there **is** [emphasis mine] a lot of Spanish people here. No, it
doesn't surprise me. I just don't like it," said parent Ed Barrick.
Looks like they need more English teaching first.
\_ Spanish or Latino?
\_ Yeah, let them all learn Spanish, so that those of us who speak
Asian languages will be in higher demand and can ask for higher
salaries.
\_ When everyone in the US speaks Spanish you will be at a
*disadvantage* when you cannot.
\_ Yeah, if you want to work at Walmart.
\_ You will when Walmart is the only industry left in the
US! (Which will be about the same time when everyone
in the US speaks Spanish)
\_ Uh....right, but that brings us two levels back up to
the thread to where us Mandarin speakers will still
be employed. Of course, I don't seriously believe any
of that anyway. Spanish will never replace English
anywhere that matters to tech people.
\_ Wow, I don't think I could've telegraphed that
sarcasm anymore clearly. -pp
\_ How can you possibly perceive Mandarin to ever
be more important to US business than Spanish?
Even with all the trade with China, Spanish is
the more useful language in the USA.
\_ Uhhh... He never said that it would be more
important, just that rarity confers value.
\_ Yes, I am sure your tech company is
willing to pay so much more for you if you
can speak some rarely used language like
Inukitut. Rarity doesn't confer value as much
as demand does in this instance.
\_ You are correct. That's supply and
demand. Sorry I didn't state it more
clearly.
\_ There are, what, a billion people who speak
Mandarin natively? In the end, jobs that will
stay in the US will require good English
communication skills. It's much easier to
find someone who speaks Mandarin well than
someone who speaks English well.
\_ I had thought this conversation was a
dumb as it could possibly get, but you
have brought it to a new low.
Congratulations.
\_ I'm guessing you don't work in the
industry. This article reflects
reality quite well.
http://www.slate.com/id/2126685
When we were hiring a FAE in China, we
hired one that could speak English best.
The marketing guy the FAE reported to
(who owned the Huawei account) is a
mid-30's white guy who couldn't speak a
word of Chinese. When we hired him,
we were looking for a guy who could help
us formulate and communicate a strategy;
Chinese was not even on the list of
requirements.
\_ you gotta becareful with your
decision. FAE requires to talk to
engineers, and engineers in general
don't have good foreign language
skill. Be able to speak Chinese
is much more advantageous. But such
advantage won't be seen by those who
don't interact with customers at
their native language level.
-system engineer work in ASIA
\_ Right. Whhat I meant was we chose
the Mandarin speaker who could speak
English best. For us, Chinese is a
requirement for firstline in-
country types, but it is at best
a low nice-to-have for higher-
level jobs.
\_ And so you continue to make an
irrelevent point.
\_ No, the point is that Chinese gets
you jobs in China. English gets
you jobs here. This will be even
more true in the future, if you
assume that globalization is
efficient.
\_ And speaking both well will
get you jobs in both.
Which was the orginal point.
\_ And my point is that it's
much more important to speak
English well, if one is
interested in employment
in the States. I've
observed that the vast
majority of the Mandarine
types here don't speak English
well at all. There is a vast
difference between being able
to communicate in a language
and being able to communicate
well in a language.
_\
I don't know about tech, but I know many BA/
MBA friends getting sourcing/purchasing type jobs
where Chinese either helps or is essential. One
just got sent to Beijing with a really nice
package including a US$5000 per month housing
allowance to setup operations there (John Deere).
My gf also does sourcing for her
small US employer, and she says she has already
saved her employer $500k per year after working
for a few months on switching to China sources.
As for tech, I am not sure if it would always
be doing management here, and tech stuff there.
I think China is only just getting started.
Knowing English and Mandarin well is a good
advantage. The fact that most Chinese here and
in China don't speak English well just means it's
even more valuable that one speaks English well,
AND knows Chinese.
\_ My guess is that marketing and mid+ management will
stay here, first level management and individual
contributors will ultimately all get outsourced.
Definition will stay in the States, design and
manufacturing abroad. All of which says you'd
better be able to communicate well if you want to
prosper here. Chinese may get you a job, but
prosper job here. Chinese may get you a job, but
English gets you ahead. In the end, knowing
Chinese may be no more useful than knowing C for
someone in tech. How many mid or senior management
types actually know C or think it matters? How
types actually know C or thinks it matters? How
many marketing types? Now consider what that means
when coding and first-level management is outsourced
to China.
\_ Marketing depends on where the market is.
For instance, cell phones, the China market
is huge, and I doubt you will know how
to market there if you don't know Chinese.
As for management, as China develops from
a manufacturing base to a more mature
economy with big demands for imports, the
number of good jobs requiring Chinese will
continue to grow. Sure, if you are the
stay home type and want to remain in the US,
and get ahead, you need to be good at English.
Nobody is arguing about that. But even
if staying here, knowing Chinese is an
added advantage, that will likely become
more and more valuable going forward, again,
in terms of the number of jobs where Chinese
helps or is a requirement.
\_ The problem is we are finite beings. There is
a limit to how much we can know and how much
time we have to learn. Knowing Chinese is
valuable. So is knowing Spanish, or French,
or Swahili. Some things are more useful than
others. Given you cannot learn everything,
you have to decide what to learn. So learn
Chinese? Sure. So long as you make sure
you know English well first. Now, how many
of you chest-thumping Chinese speakers speak
English well?
\_ Learning a new language from scratch is
tough. On the other hand if you
already speak English and Chinese well,
you should gloat over your superior
you should gloat about your superior
language abilities, and rub it in on
people who seem bitter about it.
\_ Uh, you do realize there are regional differences in
vocabulary and grammar in English (as well as most languages).
\_ I'm a bit disappointed that nobody here seems to have even thought
of the positive implications of teaching the kids _any_ foreign
language (Spanish, Chinese, who gives) just to get them used to the
idea of learning something unfamiliar and getting them to think
a bit more internationally. The Chinese and Indian kids coming to
the US speaking English, and the European students who've been
learning English/German/French/Spanish/whatever, some of them from
grade 1 (however badly they speak it is another issue) should tell
you something. -John
\_ In general Americans, esp. the isolated, non-coastal Red states
don't really give a damn about thinking internationally. At any
rate they (freepers) should learn their own language first.
\_ International thinking is fine and all but frankly most of them
will never set foot outside the country or ever have a need for
a second language. I'd prefer they learn to read/write English.
Hey, maybe knowing some basic math without a calculator would
be nice, too.
\_ I have a feeling that USA is going to become to what happened to
Roman Empire in the good old days, where the official language
(Latin) is different than what is more commonly spoken through
out the empire (Ancient Greek).
\_ The US doesn't have an official language.
\- Ave. some comments: 1. the greek of homer != the greek of
polybius or the biblical writers. the Koine greek was sort of a
lower vernacular or sloppy greek. i believe "ancient greek"
usually refers to an older version of the language 2. latin and
the koine were the second languages for a lot of people distant
from rome or athens. 3. the koine while somewhat common to the
east, a legacy of alexander...and indeed would later be adopted
by the eastern roman empire,was not common in the western
empire, where latin would be used more than the koine (and of
course the church of rome in the west would go with their own
brand of latin). FYI, probably the top scholar on the
flavor of latin). FYI, probably the top scholar on the
relationship between Rome and the Hellenic/Hellenistic world(s?)
is E GRUEN/UCB History. you may wish to see say Chapeter V
http://csua.org/u/dzh and Chapter 2,7 in http://csua.org/u/dzi
Graecia capta ferum victorem capit. --Horace. ok vale. |
| 2005/11/10-12 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40536 Activity:nil |
11/10 Pat Buchanan, who was always against the invasion of Iraq, rubs it in
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10210
\_ This is funny, because "Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's initiatives"
were opposed by Partisans of both sides.
\_ Uhm, Pat was never on the Dubya bandwagon. Pat has always been an
isolationist. He is opposed to US membership in the UN and most
other forms of non-trade involvement with the rest of the world.
\_ uh, yerright about his being anti-neocon the whole time
http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover.html
\_ Yeah, weird how some people on the motd actually know wtf
they're talking about and are beyond the black/white "h8t
u awl!!1" political 'philosophy' espoused by too many here.
Pat has been consistent in his isolationist views going back
to GWB's pre-politics days. Too many people around here find
some random tidbit and post it thinking they're making some
big point or there's some giant earth shaking change going on,
but who have essentially zero real knowledge of history.
It's mostly the silly "gotcha!" and "we're winning!" stuff
which is no better than dailykos or freepers.
\_ shrug, it was random enough to be first on http://drudgereport.com
\_ exactly. I read drudge for the "man bitten by >insert
name of dangerous animal<" links. He also posts some
oddball stuff you won't find else where which is fun.
The rest is pre-posts of NYT editorials, political
sniping, various forms of rabble rousing to keep his
hit rates up, and the inevitable cross links to other
sites in what looks like an ad/link swap deal, mostly
recently with breitbart(sp?) news. I don't read drudge
for in depth and meaningful political commentary.
I honestly was completely oblivious to the notion that
there was a real conservative group (other than the
Scowcroft, etc. old-hands assoc w/ Bush Sr.) that opposed
the invasion pre-invasion -op
\_ That's why they're called "neo" cons. There are still
plenty (I'd guess a majority) of conservatives who are
in favor of not invading other countries, lower taxes,
less spending, smaller government, and all the other
traditional conservative agenda items. Thus it makes
me laugh and sad at the same time to see the various
motd personalities posting as if the freepers are the
sole representatives of the conservative movement.
Laughter from how ignorant a belief that is and sadness
at how closely otherwise intelligent people hold such
a belief.
\_ Okay, I'll update the link to reflect that.
\_ Isolationists are far right, not "non-neo".
\_ Those "agenda items" are far too vague and
meaningless. Anybody agrees with that. A politician
can go up and talk about that kind of general shit
just like they talk about helping the poor and
with prescription drugs and etc. and everybody
goes "yay!" to anything and everything except
actual tax raising or program cuts, at which
point both parties are looking exactly the same.
And the political discourse in this country is
more concerned about stuff like religion and
whether somebody "flip-flops".
\_ They're not vague at all. What is vague about
smaller government, less spending, lower taxes,
local control, and an isolationist leaning
international policy? These are policy platforms
for the ages, not specific laws, but you knew
the difference between policy and philosophy and
were just being silly. |
| 2005/11/10-14 [Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:40537 Activity:moderate |
11/10 http://www.politicalcompass.org Another measure of your position on the political spectrum. I'm -2.25 Left, -5.64 Libertarian. -nivra \_ Link doesn't work. \_ Some of these questions are loaded. Also, does "Our race" mean the human race, or white/asian/black/etc? \_ I presume it means the race of the person taking the study. \_ -4.65 left, -3.85 libertarian -- I could be the next Dalai Lama! -eric \_ -2.75 left, -0.87 libertarian --dim \_ -2.63 left, -4.31 libertarian -mice \_ Isn't this old? This has been posted several times. Too bad our friendly archiving is gone. \_ archiving wouldn't have prevented it from being posted, nor would it have prevented people from posting responses. \_ "The old one-dimensional categories of 'right' and 'left' , established for the seating arrangement of the French National Assembly of 1789 ......" Is this real? I've been wondering about the origins of the left/right notation. \_ Yes. The people who supported the monarchy sat on the right of the chamber, right being the position of respect (as in "right hand man"). The "common people", who opposed the absolute power of the monarchy and the aristocracy, sat on the left. -gm \_ -5.50 left, -5.90 libertarian. -tom \_ Is the Chinese authority moving from Stalin-like to Hitler-like? \_ Everyone on the left huh? 4.13 left, -1.08 libertarian \_ 3.25 left/right, 0.15 libertarian \- -3.13Left,-2.67Lib. i think that overstates my leftiness. the moral phil test is better. --psb \_ urlP \_ #t \_ 4.75 Right, -2.31 Libertarian. \- -3.13Left,-2.67Lib. i think that overstates my leftiness. --psb the moral phil test is better. \_ some of the squestions are poorly written like the one about "plant genetic resources". \_ Its fairly obvious they mean the "terminator" gene, but it could also include vegetables w/ animal dna. \_ "Astrology accurately explains many things"? Well, yes. The question is what things. \_ -3.25 left/right, -6.62 Lib/Authoritarian. Does this mean I'm a fucking hippy? \_ Only if you are having sex, if not it just makes you a hippy. -ax \_ I find it amusing that classic liberalism is labeled neo-liberalism on their chart. \_ Economic Left/Right: -0.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.72 This makes me a moderate, while most of you think of me as conservative. It seems like the test is a little skewed towards the left, but it could be the Berkeley curve throwing things off. -ax \_ 0.50 left, 5.18 libertarian. Hrm. -John \_ -5.38 left, -6.72 libertarian. -niloc \_ -0.25 left, -2.36 lib. This thing is definitely skewed to the left in the economic scale at least. I am pretty certain that their "International Chart" showing a whole bunch of famous leaders in in the authoritarian+right is wrong; that they are inaccurately describing "rightist" economic attitudes with their questions on that subject. In reality I think the modern notion of the center is somewhere to the left of their absolute scale. (On the other hand I do consider myself a moderate and it puts me there...) \_ -5.88 left, -4.92 lib |
| 2005/11/10-13 [Science/Biology] UID:40538 Activity:low |
11/10 The Vatican taking a pro-evolution stance?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1052-1860310,00.html
\_ The Vatican has a much more rational attitude toward science
than they had during the time of Galileo. --PM
\_ I think it's actually really cool that the Vatican has an
astronomical observatory in Arizona:
http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VO.html
\_ Catholics and evolution:
http://www.catholic.com/library/Adam_Eve_and_Evolution.asp
\_ How many more times do we have to prove that the Church is wrong
before it stops changing its version of eternal truth?
\_ I wonder if you read the http://catholic.com link above. I found it
very interesting. |
| 2005/11/10-12 [Uncategorized] UID:40539 Activity:nil |
11/10 http://grm.cdn.hinet.net/xuite/56/0c/12067215/blog_13366/dv/3913063/3913063.wmv Is she lipsycning? Or is she really singing? \_ Yes. |
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