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2005/10/19 [Recreation/Media] UID:40169 Activity:nil
10/18   "Commander in Chief" on ABC a TV show or a campaign ad?
        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172663,00.html
        \_ Is that better than fox news, which is one long non-fiction (so they
           claim) campaign ad for Bush?
2005/10/19-21 [Uncategorized] UID:40170 Activity:nil
10/18   Well, now you guys have someone to complain about for years and years
        OTHER than Paolo...
        \_ Who is paolo and why would I complain about him?
        \_ ^complain^mock
2005/10/19 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40171 Activity:nil
10/18   22 indictments? Is it really possible?
        http://talkleft.com/new_archives/012630.html
        \- if this is true, i may start beliving in intelligent design.
           but that post is from oct 5?
2005/10/19 [Uncategorized] UID:40172 Activity:nil
10/18   Cancun's about to get rm'ed.
        \_ Is this where they shot "Girls Gone Wild"?
2005/10/19-21 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40173 Activity:high
10/18   The following people attended politburo: bonnie, awall, scarr,
        myungk, mconst, amckee, mrauser, mbh, geordan, jon, ajani, njh,
        mikeh, vadim, linxu. Who is a student and who is an alum?

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        \_ Students: bonnie, awall, scarr, mkim (aka myungk), amckee,
                     mrauser, mbh, linxu, rfm (not mentioned above).
        \_ Students: bonnie, awall, scarr, myungk, amckee, mrauser, mbh, linxu.
        \_ Students: bonnie, awall, scarr, mkim (aka myungk), amckee, mrauser,
                     mbh, linxu, rfm (not mentioned above).
           Staff: jon, mikeh, vadim.
           Neither: mconst, geordan, ajani, njh.  --mconst
        \_ bonnie, awall, amckee, mrauser, mbh, linxu are students.
           the rest are alumns. - linxu
           \_ Another newer member rfm was there also, he just wasn't in
              the minutes. -mrauser
        \_ So does the Politburo have a "vision thing" for the CSUA?

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\_ Say it with me:  I will respect the politburo's authoritay!
        \_ Was there a politburo meeting?  Any news to report?
           \_ Yes. Ruling Soda With An Iron Fist!
           \_ The official minutes are at http://csua.org/u/drj  Quick summary:
              the meeting was long and well-attended.  amckee resigned, but by
              the end of the meeting pretty much everyone agreed to reinstate
              him (without root).  Politburo decided not to log the motd, at
              least for the time being, and will actually try to make it more
              anonymous.  There's now an explicit policy that root should ask
              politburo before sorrying someone, except for account breakins
              and similar emergency stuff.  --mconst
              \_ The minutes are particularly weak on explaining the discussion
                 about the motd.  Basically it was decided that logging it or
                 moving it to somewhere else would decrease the possible use-
                 fulness to new students.  We proposed instead to try and
                 do something which would improve the overall quality of the
                 motd and return it more to its original purpose, an anonymous
                 discussion.  It was proposed we would create a program, much
                 like /csua/bin/motdedit that would allow a user near total
                 anonimity (or in the words of Vadim "we can make it really
                 hard to figure out who posted") when editing motd.  In theory,
                 this will reduce the amount of personal attacks and trolling
                 in general.  I hope this clears up the current course we are
                 taking in regards to the motd. -mrauser
                 \_ The minutes are weak on the exact course of discussion
                    because if I write too much, then people will think
                    things that are just hypothetical or randomly proposed
                    are under serious consideration. -linxu
                 \_ I don't think it's accurate to say that the motd's original
                    purpose was to be anonymous.  In the early days, pretty
                    much everyone signed their names.  It turned out to be
                    anonymous simply because it was a world-writable file,
                    so it attracted people who didn't want to be
                    identifiable.  -tom
                    \_ How long was it before, say, half the posts were
                       no longer signed?  (honestly, just curious)     -mice
                       \_ I don't really recall, but trolling didn't take
                          over until the mid to late 90s.  -tom
                          \_ Interesting. What happened in the mid to late
                             90s that made people want to troll? And who
                             do you think is the best troller of all time?
                             \_ I think the main thing was one or two dipwads
                                (reiffin and ecchang) realized they could
                                get away with saying just about anything,
                                and get more response to their trolls than
                                they would in any forum which attached a
                                name to their comments (because they would
                                quickly be identified as cranks otherwise).
                                [Funny that this keeps being deleted]  -tom
                                \_ no, it is ridiculous that you'd feel the
                                   need to post such trash based on your broken
                                   de-anon scripts, especially in the context
                                   of the ongoing "let's make the motd not
                                   suck" discussions ongoing.  there is no need
                                   for this.
                                   \_ Oh, come on; it's established fact that
                                      both of those guys are trollers, and
                                      also dipwads.  Sorry to have to call
                                      you out, anonymous coward.  -tom
                                      \_ Seriously, get over it.  We just got
                                         through a whole thing about bad
                                         logging and bad blood in the csua.
                                         Why do you insist on doing this?  Let
                                         it go.
                                         \_ I'm just explaining how the MOTD
                                            turned from a useful resource
                                            where pretty much everyone signed
                                            their name, into a cesspool filled
                                            with anonymous cowards like you.
                                              -tom
                                            \_ No, you're making into that very
                                               cesspool you claim to not like.
                                               Signing or not signing made no
                                               difference.  In some ways it
                                               made it worse.  Case in point:
                                               you're signing your vicious
                                               petty little attack right now.
                                               \- holube is an endangered
                                                  species and removing his
                                                  cesspool habitat violates
                                                  the endangered species act
                                            \_ The motd has always been a den
                                               of iniquity. Perhaps in your
                                               deluded memories it was all
                                               sweetness and light, but as with
                                               many free and open forums, it
                                               lost that innocence long, long
                                               ago. (unlike most sodans)
                                               \_ I think the MOTD has always
                                                  beeen sardonic and sarcastic,
                                                  but I don't think it
                                                  was actively hostile.  -tom
                             \_ tjb is the best troller of all time
                             \_ Honestly? The Clinton presidency. It got ugly.
                    \_ How far back was 'original', anyway? -gm
                       \_ I believe /etc/motd was first made world-writable
                          on the original Apollo, which would mean 1988 or
                          so.  -tom
                          \- I dont think there was an explicit view
                             of anonymity when it was decided to create
                             the motd.public either, but I think if you
                             would ask people to pick what is more important:
                             A: a forum where people are free to discuss
                                whatever they want ... we'll call this the
                                "liberty position"
                                    or
                             B: fostering a certain atmosphere/culture/
                                environment ... let's call that "a vision
                                of the good"
                             \_ I think the main thing was one or two dipwads
                                (reiffin and ecchang) realized they could
                                get away with saying just about anything,
                                and get more response to their trolls than
                                they would in any forum which attached a
                                name to their comments (because they would
                                quickly be identified as cranks otherwise).
                                  -tom
                             I think many people would advocate implementing A
                             and **hoping*for*B**. However, I am not defending
                             I think many people would advocate implementing
                             A and hoping for B. However, I am not defending
                             this on "orginalist" grounds, but I think that
                             is a superior position for other reasons
                             [like I think political speech should get higher
                             protection than commercial speech, for reasons
                             other than "what would the founders do"].
                             I do recognize certain issues like threats and
                             harassment, "structural attacks" [writing a
                             cronjob to munge or destroy the motd], mis-
                             cronjob to munge or destroy the MOTD], mis-
                             attributing links to the danhimal or others
                             etc complicate the question. But I still think
                             at this point A > B. ok tnx. --ANONYMOUS
                             etc complicate the question, but I still think
                             at this point A > B. ok tnx. --THE DANHIMAL
                             at this point A > B. ok tnx. --ANONYMOUS
                                \_ "vision of the good?"  who *are* you??
                                   \- i am not sure what your point/implication
                                      is but this is sort of in the spirit
                                      of how some terms are used in philosophy.
                                      i cannot go into detail about this in
                                      the MOTD but you can search the WEEB
                                      for expressions like ("priority of
                                      right over [the] good" rawls kant
                                      philosophy liberty). there is some
                                      discussion of this at:
                                    http://www.civsoc.com/cltphil/cltphil6.html
                                     or look for "right over the good" at
              "http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,3604,848488,00.html
                                     if you have access to JSTOR you may be
                                     able to find: Rawls J: "The Priority of
                                     Right and Ideas of the Good." which is an
                                     important paper. At least that is what I
                                     learned in the rhetoric class I took on
                                     amckee's advice. --ANON
                                     \_ did psb ever take a class other than
                                        freshman rhetoric?  You can log a forum
                                        and still have people free to say
                                        what they want.  -tom
                                        \_ I don't agree. Some of the truly
                                           lame/offensive arguments would
                                           likely not be made in a non-anon
                                           forum b/c the speaker may self
                                           censor to avoid public ridicule.
                                           If the primary concern is the
                                           free discussion of all ideas
                                           regardless of how lame or offen-
                                           sive, then the potential that
                                           some ideas will not be presented
                                           dictates that the forum be anon.
                                           If no value is attached to lame
                                           or offensive ideas, then there
                                           is no reason not to log.
                                           \_ There are plenty of lame ideas
                                              posted in non-anonymous forums.
                                           \_ There are plenty of lame
                                              ideas posted in non-anonymous
                                              forums.
                                                -tom
                                                \_ Could tom be getting
                                                   dumber?
                                              \_ Now if you were to
                                                 give the example of
                                                 usenet I'd be tempted
                                                 to agree w/ you.
              \_ Did amckee admit to wrongdoing and issue an apology as part
                 of his resignation?  Put another way, did amckee explain why
                 he resigned as president?  The minutes are skimpy on this.
           \- Perhaps, but the vocal disapproval of the alumni has changed
              some of the poltiburo's beliefs on what the vision should
              be and how it should be achieved. -linxu
2005/10/19 [Uncategorized] UID:40174 Activity:kinda low
10/18   Cancun's about to get fucked..
        \_ Is this where they shot "Girls Gone Wild"?
2005/10/19-21 [Uncategorized] UID:40175 Activity:nil
10/19   Go to http://images.google.com, choose "Use strict filtering" in Preferences,
        search for "Janine Lindemulder".  Now enjoy the filtered images.
        \_ She's kinda scary looking.
           \_ She looked pretty good on Howard Stern's show on E! last night.
        \_ whats your point? that the filtering doesnt work??
           \_ Yup.  --- OP
2005/10/19-21 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40176 Activity:nil
10/19   A new high (low) in war profiteering:
        http://amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/cover.html
2005/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40177 Activity:nil
10/19   Thomas DeFrank at NY Daily News: Bush knew about Plame leak all along,
        only got angry because it was done clumsily.
        http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/006782.php
        \_ Maybe Bush will be included on the indictment. Has he talked
           to the Grand Jury?
2005/10/19-21 [Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40178 Activity:nil
10/19   My sister's music is featured at http://NPR.org under 'all songs
        considered' and can be listened to.  The name of the song is
        'Take a minute' from her previous CD 'I kid you not'.  Her name
        is Diane Marie Kloba.  I hope you enjoy it.  -ikiru
        \_ Congrats! Is she as hot as yermom?
        \_ See http://www.dianemariekloba.com ... ikiru's mom is currently about to
           go medieval on Florida.
2005/10/19-21 [Recreation/Dating] UID:40179 Activity:nil
10/19   Cute kittens, cute comic: http://mows.com
2005/10/19-21 [Reference/Tax, Finance/Banking] UID:40180 Activity:nil
10/19   http://www.ginniemae.gov/rent_vs_buy/rent_vs_buy_calc.asp?Section=YPTH
        Rent or buy?
        \_ "Please use Netscape4.7 and below to see your result or, please
            use IE.  Thank you"   Wow.
2005/10/19-21 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:40181 Activity:moderate
10/19   At what age did you start losing interest in console or PC games?
        \_ Not yet (26).
        \_ Try 69 years:
           http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20051019/bs_bw/id20051018173699
        \_ Woah! Your sneaky, back-handed method of polling motd ages has
           succeeded where all other attempts have failed.  Clever.
        \_ Not yet (26).  I play a lot less than I used to, though.  Like
           the poster below, I enjoy simple, old games (but for my generation,
           that means the original Super Mario and Mega Man).
        \_ ~22 (now 35), and that's because the games became too complex.  You
           have to remember the 10 buttons on the joystick and how to make
           20 moves and choose among 30 weapons.  I'd rather play something
           simple like the original Space Invaders and Pac Man.
           \_ How about Serious Sam co-op?
              \_ Or Katamari Damacy?  No buttons at all.
              \_ Never heard of it.  Forgive my ignorance.
                 \_ Frantic FPS.  Sort of like Doom on caffeine & speed.
        \_ Not yet (31).  Speaking of which, F.E.A.R. was released today:
           http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3144858&did=1
           "this game is basically gun-porn and you'll experience multiple
           gun-gasms playing it ..."
        \_ I am still interested but haven't played in 3 years because
        \_ I am still interested but haven't played for 3 years because
           (1) don't have time, (2) getting lazy with going through the
           learning curve for the typical real time strategy games I
           like to play.  Last game played was AOE, and I can do some
           serious arse kicking. (33)
        \_ Still going @ 34 ... But my playing is very sporadic now I
           go for months without playing anything at all.
           \_ About the same, but only 30.  Every now and then I check the
              video game news and see that some game that I know something
              about came out, buy it, play for a while, and then I let the
              old ps2 collect dust for a few more months.  The less I play,
              the less games I pay attention to, the less that happens.
              It's not so much that I don't enjoy playing games, it's just
              that it takes a lot of time not only to play, but also to keep
              up with all the news and happenings.  If you don't keep up
              you just don't buy all that much.
                \_ My game playing peaked at around age 24 or so after an
                   earlier peak @ Berkeley
        \_ My desire to play video games has been pretty steadily
           decreasing since I was 20 or so.  I like them, but I usually
           have more important/funner things to do.  I pretty much stick
           with pre-PSX stuff these days.
        \_ I was a great fan of Civ III type turn based strategy games
           until I was about 32, then gradually lost interest in them.
           Have not played any in about five years now.
           like to play. (33).
        \_ 32, still play a lot of WWII FPS (mainly Forgotten Hope) online.
           Rarely interested in single-player; only when the plotline and
           gameplay is outstanding.  -John
        \_ late-30's and still play tons of PC games.  Mostly MMO now a days
           and a few console games.
        \_ 30, and still going. Mostly BF2. And I just picked up the latest
           SSX, and also F.E.A.R. But I don't buy nearly as many games as
           I used to.
           \_ If you like BF2, check out the mod I mentioned (it's for BF42,
              but they're porting it.)  A lot fewer hosers, and they try to
              add a lot of historical realism.  -John
              \_ http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-10-03&res=l
                 \_ Ha.  It's an accuracy mod, not a simulation--they put in
                    a pink Panther and the n00b stick... -John
        \_ Not yet (30). I still play games on my Mac. I was never into
           console games.
        \_ Right around when I started getting laid.
2005/10/19-21 [Consumer/Audio] UID:40182 Activity:nil
10/19   What's the best mp3 player that takes AA/AAA battery?
        \_ Probably the iRiver iFP series.
          \- I have an iFP and it's great. Get the 512MB one. Battery life is
             insane.
           \_ what about Creative?
        \_ What about iAudio stuff? Anyone used it? their G3 looks promising.
        \_ mp3 cd player?
2005/10/19 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:40183 Activity:nil
10/19   Excellent summary of Myths vs. Facts re Plame and Joe Wilson
        http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-rebuttal
2005/10/19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:40184 Activity:nil
10/19   Original article on "Bush rebuked Rove about Plame affair"
        http://nydailynews.com/front/story/357107p-304312c.html
        I'm confused, though, how does this make sense with this timeline?
        http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/08/national/main577086.shtml
        http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031010-6.html
        \_ Apparently not being under oath is not a "get out of jail free"
           card for lying to investigators...
2005/10/19-21 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs, Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:40185 Activity:high
10/19   Let's reinstate the 55mph limit.  "For every mile per hour faster
        than 55 mph, fuel economy drops by about 1 percent, said Jason Mark,
        clean vehicles program director for the Union of Concerned Scientists.
        The drop-off increases at a greater rate after 65 mph. The faster you
        go, the faster the fuel goes."  http://csua.org/u/dro
        \_ my suggestion is impose $1.5 per gallon of federal tax on gasoline
           and people will go green as result.  We can use the money to
           really fix the road and provide research funds for things like
           automated highway, fuel cell research, etc.
        \_ better yet, lets go back to walking, bicycles, and horse and buggy.
           Gasoline usage drops 100%.  Fatalities due to dangerous speeds
           drop drastically too.  No more dependence on foreign oil!
        \_ Fuck speed limits.  The average travel speed has been going down for
           years, because on average people just keep spending more and more
           time sitting in traffic.  Throw in the extra time spent working to
           pay for the stupid ass car habit, and you actually aren't going
           any slower by biking to work.  -anticartroll
        \_ Since this seems to be "right vs. good" week, how about making it
           voluntary?  Educate people about how much they'll save, and they
           can decide for themselves whether driving slow is worth it to them
           on any given occasion.  If you're worried that it's hard to drive
           55 when everyone else is going 80, you could reserve some freeway
           lanes for slow drivers, without mandating it for everyone all the
           time.  If your goal is to reduce dependence on oil rather than just
           to save people money, then you can also impose extra taxes on oil
           to encourage conservation -- not only will this make people drive
           slower on average (while still allowing them to drive fast when
           they need to), it'll also give them an incentive to save oil in
           other ways (buying more efficient cars, closing the windows, etc.).
           \_ Well, how fast will you be driving on the freeways?
           \_ So how fast do you plan to drive on the freeway?
              \_ I vote for 60mph.  --- !PP
        \_ Wouldn't this depend on which car?  Maybe some cars get
           optimal fuel efficiency at 55, and others at 70.  Might
           also depend if you are going uphill, have the windows open,
           etc.
           \_ Wind resistance roughly doubles between 55 mph and 70 mph.
              At 55 mph, "tire resistance" and wind resistance for a typical
              car are about equal. -!op
           \_ I spent one week in truck doing 55 and the next week doing 70
              to see how much I would save and my gas usage was about the same.
              One week is most of a tank for me so it was enough data.
        \_ I call bullshit on this. I've driven 101 from SF to LA plenty of
           times in a BMW with a trip computer monitoring my fuel efficiency
           and found that it was optimal (about 30mpg) at around 70mph.
           \_ BMWs are fairly aerodynamic so they're impacted by wind
              resistance at higher speeds. Their torque band also lies in
              the 3000-5000 range which corresponds to about 70MPH. Not
              all cars are like this.
           \_ You're saying Jason Mark, clean vehicles program director for
              the Union of Concerned Scientists, author of "Greener SUVs: A
              Blueprint for Cleaner, More Efficient Light Trucks" and
              "Zeroing Out Pollution: The Promise of Fuel Cell Vehicles",
              doesn't know what he's talking about?
              \_ I find all statistics suscpicious which don't allow for
                 different kinds of cars.  If you really wanted to cut down
                 on gas consumption, think "trains".  Anyway, regardles of
                 whether he's right or not (he's got a point about the wind
                 resistance, but it affects different cars differently), your
                 post reeks a bit of Mr. Science ("I have a master's degree..
                 in science!")  -John
                 on gas consumption, think "trains".  -John
                 \_ The problem is that it's impractical and dangerous to
                    have a different speed limit for each car model.
                    You need to find a composite speed limit that works
                    \_ Just tell cops to not give tickets to those of us who
                       are RICH WHITE MEN with GOOD CARS and everyone will
                       be happy.  -John
                    best in the aggregate for the distribution of cars out
                    on the road.  BTW, I should have made the sarcasm more
                    obvious when I tried to defer the the UCS guy's
                    authority. -pp
           \_ Yup I hit 31 MPG, the highest I've ever seen, driving on HWY 5
              @ 75 MPH in my Mercedes for a long stretch.  No breaking, flat,
              etc.
           \_ I tried driving the long stretch on the San Mateo Bridge,
              excluding the incline section, with my '04 Toyota Sienna 2WD van,
              which is more aerodynamic than older minivans.  I drove the whole
              stretch at 55mph, then the whole stretch at 60mph, and again at
              65mph.  I reset the "average MPG meter" (whatever it's called) at
              the beginning of each run, right after I passed the toll booth
              and accelerated to the desired mph.  For the 55mph and the 60mph
              runs, the meter readings were roughly the same.  But for the
              65mph run, the reading was 2-3mph lower.  I didn't use the
              "instant MPG meter" because it fluctuates too much.  -- yuen
        \_ The 55 mph speed limit was based in part on the facts that
           most cars at the time had poor areodynamic design and had
           large engines (v6/v8) that were not particularly efficient.
           In comparison most cars these days have better aerodynamic
           design at all speeds and esp. at high speed (65+ mph). Also
           most cars these days have smaller engines that are far more
           efficient (there are far more c1v1cs on the road than hummers).
           \- conserving to keep stuff cheep just lets other people
              face lower prices. if you want to be active about something
              then lobby for more research in alt energy. or maybe higher
              taxes on gas if you want to punish people with big cars.
              this drive 55 is like turn your thermostat down or do your
              laundry at night. it's better to change the price structure.

           \- should we have say quotas on home energy use? should
              we have legal max thermostat settings?
                 \_ I don't believe in quotas, however I see no prob.
                    w/ imposing higher prices on ppl who use more than
                    the ave. (an luxury tax if you will - pg&e does
                    this already).
                    The legal max thermostat setting is an interesting
                    prob. If the purpose is to limit consumption, then
                    I think no, but if the purpose is to promote health
                    and safety (fire hazard, &c.), then I would say yes
                    b/c regualtion of health and safety is a traditional
                    concern of the state.
              \- i have seen a number of these stats about the marked drop off
                 of efficiency at highers speeds in say AAA literature. i am
                 wondering if they forget or deliberately do not factor in
                 the greater distance travelled in unit time. e.g. there is a
                 difference between volume of fuel burned per minute at
                 55 vs 75 and then there is volume of fuel burned per *mile*
                 at 55 vs 75. ok tnx. --ANONYMOUS DRIVER
                 \_ Don't they usually report gas mileage to begin with?
                    \- i'm talking about stats like the one in the first
                       \P of this thread. you're not sure what they mean.
                       P[ost] of this thread. you're not sure what they mean.
                       \_ It's simple physics; power to overcome wind
                          resistance increases with the cube of velocity.  -tom
        \_ See the mpg vs. mph graph in
           http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/driveHabits.shtml
           "As a rule of thumb, you can assume that each 5 mph you drive over
           60 mph is like paying an additional $0.21 per gallon for gas."
           BTW, there are other useful gas-saving tips at
           http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/drive.shtml

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2005/10/19 [Recreation/Dating] UID:40186 Activity:high 72%like:40192
10/19   Man dies after having sex with a horse:
        http://tinyurl.com/7omhr (Seattle Times)
        \_ I don't understand why the guy's brother wants a harsher
           sentence for Tait.  It doesn't seem like Tait forced the guy to
           take it up the butt from a horse.
           \_ Maybe he's with PETA and is upset the horse was used sexually.
           \_ He was an enabler.
           \_ He is an enabler.
        \_ How is a trespassing charge warranted?  Whose property did Tait
           enter un-invited?
           \_ the neighbor
              \_ Oh, I thought the intercourse happened at the farm.
                 \_ This one was at the neighbor's farm.
2005/10/19-21 [Uncategorized] UID:40187 Activity:nil
10/19   Where German babies come from. Book for children, but still NSFW.
        http://www.planetdan.net/pics/babies/index.htm
        \_ OMG! Page 21 is hillarious!
2005/10/19-21 [Reference/RealEstate, Finance/Investment] UID:40188 Activity:nil
10/19   Housing boom/bust links from swami the magnificent:
        http://tinyurl.com/cv3mt (thestreet.com)
        http://www.patrick.net
        http://tinyurl.com/bl5rm (finance.yahoo.com on stock prices)
2005/10/19 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:40189 Activity:nil
10/18   This is a serious thread, please don't delete it. I'm about to get
        \_ Ah come on... Beastiality never goes out of style.
        married and will be sharing my XP file server files (MP3 and videos)
        on 802.11x. The server will be up and accessible 24x7 to run regular
        stuff too like TV (all-in-wonder card), browser for house guests,
        etc.  I also have about 50G of porns on it and I need to hide them
        from my wife since she doesn't like them. Since she's in tech
        she knows how to mount, log in, and do other things. What's the best
        way to hide my porn collection? Thanks.
        \_ Burn to DVD and then delete.
           \_ Agreed.
              \_ Or buy a firewire drive, transfer everything to it, keep
                 it unplugged and in a closet for the duration of the
                 visit just to make sure that some random guest doesn't
                 accidentally replug it in.
                 \_ Yes, but you'll be stupid and leave it plugged in after
                    a really good session. Poof. Caught. Just admit to yourself
                    you have a porn collection, cull it down to just Good Porn,
                    and put it somewhere she won't see right away. Make a
                    backup because once she does find it, she'll delete it.
                    Get yelled at. Find another place to hide in directory
                    structure. Best place? Game and app directories.
        \_ Can't you just make the folder not readable for other users?
           \_ Yeah, win xp has per-user security stuff available like unix.
              \_  What about 2k and NT?  -- !OP
                  \_ i think it's tied to NTFS
        \_ This is hilarious!
        \_ I guess you could try just obfuscating it under some innocent
           directory tree and rename all the files with a perl script or
           something.
        \_ nuke it all.  enjoy your wife more.
           \_ link:csua.org/u/drp (work-safe)
        \_ PGPDisk.  Confidential_work_docs.pgd.  And make a backup to a
           3.5" USB drive.  -John
        \_ pkzipc -pass foo ......
           \_philcompress
              \_ Did phil ever graduate, or is he still a perpetual undergrad
                 creeping closer to graduation one unit at a time?
2005/10/19-21 [Recreation/Dating] UID:40190 Activity:moderate
10/18   This is a serious thread, please don't delete it. I'm about to get
        married and will be sharing my XP file server files (MP3 and videos)
        on 802.11x. The server will be up and accessible 24x7 to run regular
        stuff too like TV (all-in-wonder card), browser for house guests,
        etc.  I also have about 50G of porns on it and I need to hide them
        from my wife since she doesn't like them. Since she's in tech
        she knows how to mount, log in, and do other things. What's the best
        way to hide my porn collection? Thanks.
        \_ Ok, I'll bite.  IMHO, you don't have a healthy attitude going into
           your marriage.  This isn't about porn.  This is about deceiving
           someone you think you love about something trivial.  Ditch the
           porn or get a woman who doesn't care or shares your tastes.
        \_ Burn to DVD and then delete.
           \_ Agreed.
              \_ Or buy a firewire drive, transfer everything to it, keep
                 it unplugged and in a closet for the duration of the
                 visit just to make sure that some random guest doesn't
                 accidentally replug it in.
                 \_ Yes, but you'll be stupid and leave it plugged in after
                    a really good session. Poof. Caught. Just admit to yourself
                    you have a porn collection, cull it down to just Good Porn,
                    and put it somewhere she won't see right away. Make a
                    backup because once she does find it, she'll delete it.
                    Get yelled at. Find another place to hide in directory
                    structure. Best place? Game and app directories.
                    \_ 50G is too much to hide in directory structure.
        \_ Can't you just make the folder not readable for other users?
           \_ Yeah, win xp has per-user security stuff available like unix.
              \_  What about 2k and NT?  -- !OP
                  \_ i think it's tied to NTFS
        \_ This is hilarious!
        \_ I guess you could try just obfuscating it under some innocent
           directory tree and rename all the files with a perl script or
           something.
        \_ nuke it all.  enjoy your wife more.
           \_ link:csua.org/u/drp (work-safe)
        \_ PGPDisk.  Confidential_work_docs.pgd.  And make a backup to a
           3.5" USB drive.  -John
        \_ pkzipc -pass foo ......
           \_ philcompress
              \_ Did phil ever graduate, or is he still a perpetual undergrad
                 creeping closer to graduation one unit at a time?
                 \_ It's taking time to convince all the profs to accept
                    midterms & finals in crayon.
                 \_ he is trying to outdo psb as longest ug ever
                    \_ How long was psb a ug?  dans was a ug for 8 years,
                       mconst still is....
        \_ Find another woman, one that does not object to porn. Do you
           really want to spend the rest of your life slinking around like
           this?
           \_ I think the compromise is to keep the porn off the main file
              servers and browser/media history and he can keep his DVD or
              external HD stash.  I'm pretty sure op can get that agreement.
              Kinda makes sense if there is random guest access and potential
              future little sodans.
              \- if she finds it, challenger her to GUN DUEL.
                 \_ RIP phil hartman
           \_ I agree.  You need to teach her that the porn is for her
              own good.  A lil training goes a long way ;)
              \_ Buy her some chick porn.  Google for "pornography for
                 women."  According to a (probably b.s.) survey I read
                 recently, something like 65% of American women say they
                 enjoy pornography--I can't imagine it's of the rump-slapping
                 "ja ja faster baby" Klaus the German pr0n star variety. -John
              \_ Just pester her incessently for sex until she realizes that
                 porn makes her life easier.
              \_ That arguments works if she's into orgies, bestiality,
                 fisting, anal, s&m, etc.
        \_ Ohhh...his wife can "mount". Huhuh...mmm..uhhuhuhuhu
           \_ ...and log in.  I don't want to even think about that one.
        \_ Porn is bad for you.  Dump them.  - Christian Liberal
2005/10/19 [Uncategorized] UID:40191 Activity:nil
\_ but don't let that stop your lawsuit!
2005/10/19-21 [Recreation/Dating] UID:40192 Activity:nil 72%like:40186
10/19   / Man dies after having sex with a horse: \
        \ http://tinyurl.com/7omhr (Seattle Times)/
         -----------------------------------------
                \   ^__^
                 \  (oo)\______,.
                    |__|\       )\\
                        ||----/||
                        ||   ' ||
        \_ I don't understand why the guy's brother wants a harsher
           sentence for Tait.  It doesn't seem like Tait forced the guy to
           take it up the butt from a horse.
           \_ He is an enabler.
        \_ How is a trespassing charge warranted?  Whose property did Tait
           enter un-invited?
           \_ the neighbor
              \_ Oh, I thought the intercourse happened at the farm.
                 \_ This one was at the neighbor's farm.
2005/10/19-21 [Consumer/CellPhone] UID:40194 Activity:low
10/19   Hi I'm a cell phone idiot and I need clarification. I've been
        told there are 3 major frequencies out there, 850, 1800, and 1900.
        Which ones are CDMA, TDMA, and PCS? Thanks.             -cell idiot
        \_ those are all cdma
        \_ those are all GSM too... 850/1900 in US and 900/1800 worldwide
           \_ Um, ok. So inter networking-speak, the frequency is like the
              physical, and GSM are like the data-link or network
              layer? What about PCS, what is that?
              \_ It's like the datalink, network and, with the advent of
                 data, the transport layer.  PCS is as John has mentioned.
        \_ CDMA is a blanket term for a bunch of cell protocols commonly used
           in the US and, I think, Korea--"code division multiple access" just
           means that multiple signals can occupy the same channel.  GSM is
           used in most of the rest of the world (from the Groupe Speciale
           Mobile that designed it), also a mobile protocol that uses 4
           frequencies (see pp.)  I believe it uses TDMA ('t' = 'time').  PCS
           means "personal communications services" and is a marketing term
           for bundled mobile services--it can use CDMA or GSM.  It would help
           to know if you are just curious or looking to buy a phone/service,
           and if so, what you want to do with it.  -John
           \_ Maybe GSM would be more popular in the U.S. if they changed
              the name to "freedom protocol".
           \_ cdma is used in US (verizon, sprintpcs), China (china unicom),
              Japan (KDDI) and other places.  I think for the bands, say
                                     \_ Brazil (Vivo)
              around 1800, each company get a band close to 1800, but their
              bands don't overlap (eg. sprintpcs and verizon and tmobile
              and cingular each has its band around 1800).  they may use
              different protocols for their assigned/owned band.
           \_ the confusing thing is there is also a older "TDMA" protocol,
              still used by US Cellular.  Both GSM and "TDMA" uses TDMA
              (time division - each call gets a time slice) as its
              underlying way of dividing up a frequency band.  CDMA is a
              more complex and theoretically superior way of dividing up
              the band.  I believe part of the reason why China Unicom
              selected CDMA is because PRC pushed it to use it, since
              experience gained with CDMA could be applied to military
              use.
              \_ Sure, it was just a quick "wireless for dummies" overview.
                 Some of the older TDMA in the US is a holdover from the days
                 of real "cellular" telephony.  -John
              \_ Sure, it was just a quick "wireless for dummies" overview.
                 Some of the older TDMA in the US is a holdover from the days
                 of real "cellular" telephony.  -John
                 \_ What do you mean by "real \"cellular\" telephony"?
                 \_ What do you mean by "real \"cellular\" telephony"?
                    \_ I thought I recalled reading that a TDMA variant was
                       used for carphones, but now I'm not sure.  -John
      \_ http://www.thetravelinsider.info/roadwarriorcontent/quadbandphones.htm
         may be useful
2005/10/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:40195 Activity:moderate
10/19   Is there an "unbiased" site that gives the straight dope about what
        each proposition is really about, and what the pros and cons are?
        \_ It's the GOVERNATOR! What do you expect? More tax cuts for the
           corporation and the people who have made it. That is the basic
           platform of the conservatives.
        \_ wait, you're actually going to vote on those?
        \_ The voter pamphlet you get from the state will have the pro/con
           from biased sources and the 'neutral' description from the state.
           And why wouldn't someone vote on them?
           \_ the voter pamphlet only has so much space and my past experience
              with it has been somewhat unsatisfactory.
        \_ Just vote no on 73, 74, 75, 76 and 77 and yes on 79 and 80 if you
           are a lefty and do the reverse if you are a righty. I'd personally
           vote no on all of them because I think they all muck around with
           things that we don't fully understand, but since nobody listens
           to anybody anymore just tow the party line.
                                   \_ toe
           \_ Why would redistricting have anything to do with left or right?
        \_ Ahnud says vote yes on 73-78 and no on 79, 80. The reality is
           it makes no difference how you vote, b/c if everyone votes no
           the law doesn't get passed but if everyone votes yes, the law
           will be struck down by the courts.
        \_ I thought we paid the legislature to legislate.
           \_ no, the various lobbies and special interest groups pay the
              legislators to legislate.  We just occasionally vote them in
              or out.
        \_ I advocate voting against all propositions on principle, regardless
           of issue.  The system sucks and should be done away with.
           </flamebait>
           \_ pretty much... check out this prop that passed:
              http://www.smartvoter.org/2004/11/02/ca/state/prop/63
              It's bluntly stupid. I guess you can pass anything as long as
              it targets a rich enough tax bracket.
              oh and that smartvoter site might help the OP:
              http://www.smartvoter.org/2005/11/08/ca/state/prop
              \_ Why do you love rich people john? I don't mind having
                 Michael Jackson and Paris Hilton's cousins pay a bit
                 more for basic infrastructures to help out the rest.
                 At any rate the rich bourgeois already own vast amounts
                 of land in metropolitan areas and they have been, are, and
                 will continue to gobble up empty, underutilized suburbian
                 vacation homes. They also run and control mega apartment
                 complexes in hot spots of metro cities and artificially
                 inflate land values (Irvine) which really screw up the rest
                 of us working class prolitariats.       -fuck capitalism
              oh and that smartvoter site might help the OP:
              http://www.smartvoter.org/2005/11/08/ca/state/prop
              (oh and that http://smartvoter.org site might help the OP:
              http://www.smartvoter.org/2004/11/02/ca/state/prop/63   )
                 \_ i'm not John, don't interrupt, and you = bluntly stupid
                 \_ Because I'm a fat bloated plutocrat bastard tool of the
                    running dog imperialists.  Because I hate hippie long-
                    hairs and think all the colored folks should limit their
                    career aspirations to serving me and Muffy drinks at the
                    country club.  Because I like the idea of a Metropolis-
                    like tribe of underclass laborers being squashed under my
                    mighty oppressive boot.  Excuse me?  -John
        \_ Vote Yes on 77. Redistricting in an impartial way is the key to
           making districts more competitive, which should reduce the number
           amount of extremism, left or right, in the legislature. ok tks -!psb
           making districts more competitive, which should reduce the amount
           of extremism, left or right, in the legislature. ok tks -!psb
           \_ As above, show me that it's not impartial now, and you might
              change my mind on 77. Oh, and btw, it's "ok thx"
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