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| 2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40079 Activity:high |
10/14 Dear Politburo:
I'd like to request that in the future, ALL the names of donors be
made public as to minimize the potential conflict of interest in the
future. Currently things go on in csua and we don't know anything
about it until decisions are already made. There needs to be
accountability via public auditing. Please make the donation and
financing information public. Until that happens, there is no more
donations from me. I ask all donors to do the same. Thanks.
-alum who donated $200, you know who I am
\_ How donations worked at my last job was that a donor could
specifically ask to be anonymous. Otherwise names could be used
in print. It seems in bad taste to print amounts, unless a
donation is particularly large and merits special appreciation.
That can be done in other ways, however, such as including some-
thing like, "Donations from these members were particularly
generous, and deserve extra appreciation."
\_ This is in the process, the only reason I don't have logs readily
availible is that I have been backlogged on work. In the future
there will be a mechanism to more easily see the status of csua
finances. In regard to disclosing the names of donors, I'm not
sure that will be the policy, but I think we can disclose the
amounts of each donation (along with all the other money
allocations). -mrauser
\- dear op: you should post "i donated" to the motd and then
get somebody to complain and then have that motd entry
deanonymized. mrauser: so what is the rationale to have
donation be anon by default but have the motd entries be
non-anon.
\_ MOTD: Public forum
Donation: Private funds
As mrauser said below, the reason we don't post donator
information is that we do not want any of this to turn into
a "my opinion is more important because I donated more" war.
\_ Why not? Seems like an excellent fundraiser--
provided you don't make any actual guarantees of
letting someone's opinion matter more. After all,
isn't this how the US congress and senate work?
If it's good enough for them why not for the CSUA?
--PeterM
When we finally bring Soda Mark VII live and I send out the
grand email announcing such, I will post the names of those
who donated, but I will not post amounts. - jvarga
\_ This being the most I have posted to the motd in a day...
ever, I'm going to be brief. When there are monitary things
involved, I would rather err on the side of anonimity. I
wouldn't want a "who's donation is bigger" war, and there is
no need at all for the public to know WHO donated. Its not
meant to be a blame game or a "I've donated so my opinion
matters" situation. Thats my rationale for donations being
not freely publicly disclosed (exactly why do you need to
know who donated?). As for reasons why the motd would be
non anonymous, read the minutes, but we wish to discern
who posts overt threats on our motd. -mrauser
\- are you suggesting it would be censure-worthy for
a donor to say "i donated $x" publicly [say in the motd
or wall]? how about chowing all the binaries in /csua/bin
lest somebody try to throw his weight around because they
installed COOL SOFTWARE on sloda? maybe we should make it
illegal to keep WALL WARRIOR stats in case new users
should fall under the pernicious influence of top
WALL WARRIORS. maybe they will SELL THEIR VOTES in return
for ANCIENT WALL WARRIOR SECRETS. |
| 2005/10/14 [Uncategorized] UID:40080 Activity:nil |
10/13 Wasn't there someone here who works at iTMS? What's up with the
store recently? None of the song listings seem to show up on
certain computers. |
| 2005/10/14 [Recreation/Humor, Recreation/Media] UID:40081 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
10/13 THIS is modern art. (video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=vwl98dU0kY8 |
| 2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40082 Activity:very high |
10/13 I asked a bit earlier how many of you angry motd-ers are actual CSUA
\_ Who's angry? This is a non-issue. The CSUA politburo should do
whatever the active CSUA members (i.e. enrolled undergrads) vote
to do. We're just excercising the privilege of the ancient to
smirk condescendingly on the sillinesses that the puppies come
up with :-) -John
voters. I am guessing very few are. The reality is this is not your
machine, and this is not your organization, anymore. The current
students in charge are free to run things however they wish. As
someone so bluntly put it below, "the decision stands and is not
debatable". I do find it amusing that after all the alum donations
to spiff up the place, we are then told off so cavalierly.
\- raising the matter of "are you a current ucb
undergrad" might be relevant if the issue was
about voting or representation, but if it is
about ideas, and they are making reasonable
points rather than just claiming "i am older
and smarter; you are young and naive" then
you should ignore where they ideas are coming
from but just address the ideas themselves
if they have merit. if the values of the
older members are that much out to lunch
how can you justify operating under a consitution
hardly changed from somethign they wrote ...
or are you claiming they somehow had your values
when in school but then become unmoored and
unhinged upon leaving the evans/sloda/cory environs.
\_ I don't know, another question worth asking is "How many of the
angry motd-ers donated?" I did, and I pretty much agree with
\_ "Did you donate?" is the CSUA's "you haven't served" -John
\_ Of course, "you haven't served" is occasionally also the
CSUA's "you haven't served". -gm
politburo. Although, actually, perhaps a different experiment
would be interesting. Part of the problem currently is the
anonymity differential. Things only got really nasty around
jblack when kchang's diff exposed who it was posting the
freeper links. Then some blow hard starting harrasing him
anonymously. If anonymity had been guaranteed, at least THAT
wouldn't have happened. -jrleek
\_ Check your crystal ball again, that wasn't my post. The decision
\_ mea culpa
was debated extensively (see the pages upon pages in the minutes)
and it saddens me that the anonimity was abused so badly that it
will help to remove it. I won't monitor you if you want to make
your own world writable ~myname/sleezepit.motd where you can
slander, insult and threaten as you please. I think the csua
motd should be a place where people can post and not be completely
hounded. When exactly did you donate by the way? -mrauser
\- what is the rationale for not monitoring ~myname/sleezepit.motd
but monitoring /etc/motd? --psb
\_ If you really need to ask this you are SO dense. Why do
you think I would possibly want to be responsible for
hateful comments on the csua's message of the day? You
should probably just go think on it, this isn't worthy of
a response. -mrauser
\- ok i am a moron. tell me how you will deal with the
following: Anonymous A challenges john@soda
to a GUN DUEL in ~psb/motd.sleaze. Then PSB posts
"Hey John has been challeneged to a GUN DUEL in
~psb/motd.sleaze!" to the motd.public ... this is
either signed by psb or "discovered" to be psb
via the motd.log. questions presented:
1. is psb liable for something? if so, what?
is he reponsible for the threat or just running
a non-anonymous forum for thraets? so if psb could
find the original threatener A, is he then ok?
or is he guilty of helping out the threat?
if psb is guilty for helping ut the threat by cross
posting it, then isnt something who doesnt delete
an obnoxious comment in the motd also responsible
for "helping to spread disharmony on sloda"?
\_ hello, in the context of a threat you may
not be liable [ not 100% sure, maybe there
is some way to argue accomplice/conspiracy ]
in the context of defamation you could be
liable b/c you republished.
2. does the politburo not feel responsible in this
case since the official motd only contains a
POINTER to the inflammatory content?
3. maybe i am a moron, but it seems if the reason to
for the heavy handed intervention is stop threats
then this should extent to any reasonable public
forums on sloda. it certainly seems like i should
not even be allowed to advertise my evil motd in
the official sleaze free zone. although if i am not
allowed to post my pointer to ~psb/motd.sleaze, i have
to ask can i post a link to http://sleaze.psb.org with
the exact same discussion? ... so it IS ok to post a
"sleazy pointer" as long as it points out of CSUA
space? if that is not fine either, why is it
permissable to post offensive links at all?
again what is the criteria of "bad" ... offensive/
obscene? child porn? emotionally damaging comments?
[like calling somebody a clown? what if you like
clowns?] physical threats? what if i just post
"i would like to meet you in a boxing ring"?
\_ Partha, it's "GUN DUEL", not "a GUN DUEL". -John
\- funny you should say that. --psb |
| 2005/10/14 [Reference/BayArea] UID:40083 Activity:nil |
10/14 SF deyoung opening back up in SF this weekend, it's
open for free this weekend for 31 hours continuously
from 10AM sat to 5pm sunday,
which I think is a pretty cool gimmick.
http://www.thinker.org/deyoung/visiting/index.asp - danh |
| 2005/10/14 [Reference/Religion] UID:40084 Activity:high |
10/14 Question for MOTD Lawyers [not related to CSUA stuff]:
Say I were to start a legal [so not legally obscene] ass p0rn
site. Clearly, I would not be allowed to say "brought to you
by IBM". However, could I say, "this site endorsed by The
Catholic Church"? What about just "The Church" or "by Rome"?
If not allowed, who has standing to sue me? Anybody who is
offended? Any Catholic? Any Church bishop or higher? What about
"this site endorsed by Protestants" or "by Hindu priests".
Let's rule out any kind of parody or political point/art type
defenses.
\_ What does Rome have to do with the Church's authority?
And, btw, if you're trying to make a joke with it, try
to be funny.
\_ 2 sec answer (assuming you are serious, which you prob.
aren't):
1. "The Catholic Church" - sounds like misrep and defmation
to me, and they might even be able to show NY Times
malice. The Church itself would have to sue.
2. "The Church" - this is harder b/c there are so many
churches who claim to be "The Church." Best is if
you find a "church" that backs you up or you make your
own church, say "The Church of Pr0n."
3. "Rome" - the municipality may have standing in fed.
ct to sue you for misrep and defamation. Note that
the Vatican, a separate city, may not have standing.
4. "Protestants" - Find two protestants who will give
endorsements and you should be okay.
5. "Hindu Priests" - same as protestants. Though it
will be harder to find hindu priests who will support
you. Personally I'd change it to hindus and find two
hindus to support you and you should be okay. BTW,
we hindus think that everyone is a hindu regardless
of how you classify yourself, so all you need is one
person other than yourself. Furthermore, there is no
authoritative version of hinduism so if you adopt the
view that everyone is a hindu regardless of their
professed religion, there isn't a good argument against
that.
\_ Can you say "brought to you by IBM" if you're on IBM hardware?
I imagine you can say "brought to you on IBM hardware", and
that's almost as good for the unwashed masses.
\_ Actually, in order to use their name (IBM), you
will likely need their permission.
\_ What about "this site runs on an IBM Pornserver model 69"
or something like that? -John
\_ If it is on the main page and is prominently
featured, I think they have a false light
claim and probably some sort of misappropri-
ation claim. If just have it on some other
page and its not really that prominent, you
are probably okay. |
| 2005/10/14-15 [Finance/Investment] UID:40085 Activity:nil |
10/14 http://www.thisislondon.com/films/articles/20638955 In choosing the next Bond (probably because Brosnan was too expensive): "Hugh Jackman ... was 'too fey', Colin Farrell 'too sleazy', Eric Bana 'not handsome enough' - and Ewan McGregor 'too short' at 5'10"." |
| 2005/10/14-15 [Recreation/Media, Reference/Religion] UID:40086 Activity:nil |
10/14 I can't make this stuff up: http://tinyurl.com/bmrfj Arab version of Simpsons (Homer Simpson -> Omar Shamshoon) not as funny as the original. |
| 2005/10/14-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40087 Activity:high |
10/14 While it is true that someone made a threat to jblack, who
started it? jblack persistently posted freeper trolls and attempted
\_ Um, more to the point, who took it seriously? jblack certainly
didn't as he never made any effort to contact administrators,
nor is there any evidence he sic'd the university on the CSUA.
Someone else took umbrage, and started this pointless folderol,
and we're unfortunate enough that he found a sympathetic ear.
\_ I took it seriously. I don't care if jblack lauphed it off
or not. Your going to have a hard time convincing me that it
is important for the CSUA to protect the right of people to
threaten other people anonymously. To me, that is the sole and
final purpose of the motd logging. -mrauser
\_ Why do all CSUA Treasurers go mad with power? - danh
\_ so, uhhh....does that mean that if there are no threats the
motd will remain un-fucked-with? I would like to point out
that all of the problems with the motd degenerating into
personal attacks and threats would have been solved if the
motd were *truly* anonymous to all but root. That would
include people choosing to sign posts.
\_ If you want to design a tool that can fool kchang's logging
and make it publicly availible you are welcome to do so.
Of course scp always works, but the disjointed merging is
quite hozerish. Right now, the definitive logging _will_
only be availible to root. Not everyone will be able to
see the logs. -mrauser
\_ What's the list of users with root access? what
safeguards are there that what was written with the
assumption of anonymity will not get posted all over
the internet with the names attached? Anonymity is
important for discussion of unpopular, minority
opinions, sensitvie topics, personal problems,
cs problems, career advice, etc. All these advantages
would get taken away from many people just because one
guy made a threat on jblack?
\_ Take a look waaaay down the page to see my reply to
someone on this issue. To summarize: any root who
abuses power and looks at logs for inappropriate
purposes will be hozed hard by me. Also, the root
list has been and continues to be trimmed. - jvarga
\_ Why is anonymity important here? Given that motd
\_ Anonymity is not important, just as the motd is
trivial, silly and fun. It does, however, add
flavor. I don't know why people are turning this
into some massive debate on principles--de-
anonymizing the motd is stupid and missing the
point, but if the active members/politburo want to
do it, that's their good right. -John
is displayed for everyone by default, shouldn't
accountability be more important here? If I'm forced
to read someone's insane rant, I'd rather know who
to ignore in the future. - rollee
\_ make it non-default then. also, you make the
choice of applying for a soda account and
continuing to use it. even then,
noboby is forcing you to read anything.
and you can do a clear and cat of motd.official
after logging in, or just use .hushlogin
\_ yea, but except for the guy who threatened jblack, everyone
else didn't cross the line, so why are we being punished?
How am I supposed to ask a dumb CS question now without
embarassing myself? - soda donor
at hiding freeper urls, knowingly how they really piss off
knee-jerking left wing-nut liberals. If it weren't for jblack's
initial immaturity and his complaints to politburo, the
deanonymizing of motd which got started by our good 'ol
conservative friend jrleek, would not have happened in the
first place.
\_ But the point is that it isn't only threats to jblack,
there have been numerous instances of people harrassing
others on the MOTD. We also had some moron threatning
the POTUS last year after the elections. You have to
admit, in the past half decade the MOTD certainly has
gotten a lot more vicious. It's an unfortunate trend
and we all are probably partially liable for it. I know I
am. The MOTD, along with wall and ntalk are also dying
mediums, so it's understandable that the current
generation of undergrads show little interest and little
patience for MOTD antics... -williamc
\_ You aren't being punished if you're not doing things that
would cause root to actually have to look at the logs.
You seem to be assuming that root cares who posts stupid
questions and remarks. Don't worry about there being logs
if you're not doing anything bad. - jvarga
\_ I have no idea who the root guys are. what if one of
them is immature like the guy who threatened jblack,
and I've just had a political argument with him,
and he went nuts?
\_ By popular request, your root staff and politburo
are now listed in the official motd. - jvarga
\_ What if one of the root guys IS jblack? Go Bush! |
| 2005/10/14 [Uncategorized] UID:40088 Activity:nil |
10/14 WASHINGTON (AFP) - US consumer inflation surged at the fastest pace in
more than 25 years in September, rising a steeper-than-expected 1.2
percent, according to the Labor Department. |
| 2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40089 Activity:nil |
10/14 While it is true that someone made a threat to jblack, who
started it? jblack persistently posted freeper trolls and attempted
at hiding freeper urls, knowingly how they really piss off
knee-jerking left wing-nut liberals. If it weren't for jblack's
initial immaturity and his complaints to politburo, the
deanonymizing of motd which got started by our good 'ol
conservative friend jrleek, would not have happened in the
first place. Jblack is like this little kid harrassing
bullies and when he is bullied he runs to his mommy for help.
\_ What's your point? I never claimed jblack's conduct was
examplary. However, nothing he did justified the
phychopathic response, and anonymous threats of harrassment are
clearly beyond the pale. He also, as far as I know, never ran
to anyone for help, or complained. The fact remains that jblack
hater guy clearly overstepped both legal and moral lines. I
have no problem with the general causticness of the motd,
(that's amckee's deal) but I do have a problem with
criminality. The motd was never truly anonymous anyway, even
if you do use scp. The fact is that politburo would rather
enact an overarching rule than do a little detective work.
-jrleek
\_ So which act was deemed criminal?
\_ http://csua.org/u/dq1
\_ So the bar is pretty low...
\_ Wow, talk about blaming the victim. "He insisted on posting _links_
to a political philosophy I disagree with so I went totally psycho
on him! He *made* me do it!" Sheesh. Ridiculous.
\_ It all depends on how high you believe the stakes are in the
co-called "culture war". Personally, I believe that the stakes
couldn't be higher. I believe that the group of radical
Christians trying to overtake America will stop at nothing to
build a fascist theocracy where a guy like me will end up dead
just for being an athiest scientist who reads the wrong books.
The radical Christian enemy is clearly willing to die for their
dark vision of America, and so am I. Seen in that light, a few
insults and even threats on the motd just aren't a big deal.
I am not "jblack hater guy", but I will not be suprised at all
if in 10 years, I'm looking over a barricade at someone just like
jblack, both fighting to the last. Ideas matter. Political
philosophy *always* contains the threat of violence ultimately.
\_ And THIS is why I love the motd. -jrleek
\_ Whoa. This is probably just a crazy troll, but you really
need to read up on Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., and
nonviolent resistance. Violence is not inevitable. Don't
go the way of Stalinist idiots like International ANSWER,
please.
\_ Ok, speaking of Stalin, what exactly do you think would have
happened if we had not had the power to rain nuclear death
down on the USSR? We'd just form a human chain in Berlin
and sing some songs and they'd back down? How about Saddamn
in 91? What's your pacifist solution there? Or the
Taleban? Pacifism can solve many problems, and can deal
with many types of people, but it is rarely the solution
to the problem of pure evil.
\_ The bitch was asking for it.
\_ I'm investing in tin futures. Where are all these evil
theocrats running around dying for their cause killing
atheist scientists?
\_ You have to read between the lines a bit, but I believe
this is the ultimate goal of righwing preachers like
Dobson and Falwell--they just don't talk like that yet
because they're in stealth mode and because they think
they can take over "democratically" using the GOP.
Their real chance is going to come after the Peak Oil
crash. At that point, society will face some very hard
choices, and we will have to either invest in science
and technology very intensly to get ourselves out, or fall
into another dark ages, which the Christian fascists will
be quick to advocate. That is the scenario where they'll
end up trying to take power through violence.
\_ This is brilliant! You have actually managed to troll
a discussion about how to make the motd a worth while
and non-hostile, yet anonymous place *and* slipped in
a peak oil reference as well. Your troll-fu has
exceeded all previous known bounds of trollery.
\_ How much would it disturb you to discover that I
believe everything I wrote?
\_ Not at all. But then I've read The True Believer.
\_ I've seen Serentity, how close is that?
\_ I agree with him. It's no secret that fundie
power nuts like Falwell and Dobson fantasize of
a Christian Taliban, a whole country where everyone
is a Christian drone while they live lives of
luxury and limitless power.
\_ Falwell was at the last politburo meeting though
so I dunno. -mrauser
\_ So they have power fantasies? So what? That
means we should turn the motd into a pit? I'm
so going to buy tin futures. Are you also of
the opinion that this has something to do with
Peak Oil? And how does Elvis, Area 51 and
the Bigfoot/Dolphin conspiracy play into this?
\_ Don't you mean aluminum?
\_ Although, I have to admit, using a non-anonimizer to catch the
anonymous motd censor would be really great. -jrleek |
| 2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40090 Activity:nil |
10/14 So, amckee and mrauser think that a csua web forum would be a good
idea. If fact, they think it would surpass the motd in
popularity. I disagree because CSUA discussion forums don't have
much draw. There's no theme except that all the people on them
are CSUA members. However, what if we had a web forum and the
subjects of the current active threads were displayed on login
(as the motd used to be)? We could even have them display on the
lounge machines on login as xterm as an ad to join the CSUA.
-jrleek
\_ They have valid points. Kids today don't value their CS accounts
like the old farts. They prefer to use yahoo, gmail, POP3, and
what not, bypassing motd completely. Secondly, motd has been
in a steadily declining state ever since paolo disabled
"more /etc/motd.public" for default .login. Most of the new
soda users don't even know about wall or motd. I predict the
death of wall and motd within 5 years. With new user monitoring
mechanism in place, it may even speed up the process. Your goal
to make motd more civil is a very noble goal, and I completely
support it. However, unless you want to see motd dying, you
should also concentrate your efforts on getting new members.
\_ I agree with you, but politburo doesn't. I've already had
the "let's make the motd display on login again"
conversation with them 2 or 3 times. So, the above was my
attempt at a compromise. -jrleek |
| 2005/10/14 [Uncategorized] UID:40091 Activity:nil |
10/14 psb is a notorious dope fiend! |
| 2005/10/14 [Computer/Theory, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:40092 Activity:nil |
10/14 If only we had some sort of forum to discuss having some sort of
forum so we could disc---... heh sorry. :-) |
| 2005/10/14 [Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:40093 Activity:nil |
10/14 Prius recall:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051014/ap_on_bi_ge/japan_toyota_recall_3 |
| 2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:40094 Activity:nil |
10/14 So what are the stuff jvarga thinks still need work on freebsd
new soda?
\_ new soda doesn't need any investments in equipments and
software upgrades. instead, new soda seriously needs
investments in tech training for a new generation of competent,
helpful, and caring sysadms. if you have a choice, always
invest in the people first. the current politburo is a fine
example of what happens otherwise. |
| 2005/10/14-2010/9/30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:40095 Activity:nil |
**/** Do not mail individual members of root for assistance. You will be
ignored! Your root staff are: steven, edilaic, mconst, jvarga,
mikeh, mrauser, kimbrel, toulouse, vaheder
Your Politburo are: kimbrel (P), steven (VP), toulouse (S),
yns88 (T), vidya (L), steven (E), bordicon (A)
Your new Politburo are: toulouse (P), steven (VP), eyung (T),
stevenk (S), sakura (L), dw5ight (E), scotspin (A)
The uncensored messages below this line may not reflect opinions of the CSUA. |
| 2005/10/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40096 Activity:moderate |
10/14 Why do we try so hard to ignore what our enemies say about
themselves?
http://victorhanson.com/articles/thornton101305.html
\_ Wow, what a lot of useless hot air. Maybe us motd trolls should
apply for jobs at the Hoover Institution so we can get actually
paid to bloviate. This guy, on the other hand earns his keep as
a writer:
http://www.exile.ru/2005-July-28/victor_hanson.html
\_ You mean the guy who wrote this idiotic rant? There's a
whole lot of unsubstatiated accusations in there, not much
else.
\_ The War Nerd is in the *entertainment* business. You read
crap like that in about a minute and a half, and are
slightly amused, that's the point. Dr. Professor fucktard,
on the other hand, is neither entertaining nor informative,
nor does he propose any usefull solutions to any problems.
\_ Victor Hansen's books on ancient history are all right.
His attempts at making 1 to 1 comparisons of ancient
military forces to current conflicts are really reaching
though, and I can't stand his widely published opinion
pieces in newspapers. It's also hard to say if
'War Nerd' is a real person, I am signed up to interview
his supposed boss in November, I am slightly afraid
to ask him. - danh
\_ http://csua.org/u/dq7 (juancole.com)
Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History at UMich,
Ph.D. in Islamic Studies at UCLA, fluent in Arabic and Persian,
thinks letter is a forgery: "the mistakes are those a Shiite might
make when pretending to be a Sunni". |
| 2005/10/14-15 [Reference/Military] UID:40097 Activity:moderate |
10/14 Fist, your newest weapon of terror:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/14/plane.punch.ap
\_ Hulk Smash!
\- some how the subhead of the article,
'Perhaps it was some sort of psychotic episode'
reminds me of csua current events. |
| 2005/10/14-15 [Health/Men, Health/Skin] UID:40098 Activity:moderate |
10/14 I'm not crazy about my electric razor, it tends to pull my hairs too
much when I've got a couple daya growth. Anyone have reccomendations?
My only constraint is thta it must not be a slime-oozing model.
\_ Badger-hair brush, exfoliant/shaving oil/shaving cream/aftershave
from Art of Shaving, Gilette Mach 3 blade, shave under the shower.
Cons: $$$ Pro: No more hamburger face. -John
\_ I haven't tried the other stuff, but I agree that the Mach 3
is completely awesome. Well worth the money.
\_ Can you describe the proper purpose and usage of those oils and
aftershave and whatnot?
\_ I've just found that this stuff, while pricey, works really
well for me, and I'm willing to pay for it to avoid the
agony and mess I usually get from shaving (pain hurts!).
Exfoliant: gets rid of dead crap and cleans skin. Oil:
Softens skin & beard before shaving. Brush: lifts whiskers
so they're cut nicely. Non-alcohol-based aftershave: calms
skin down. Hot water/steam: also softens skin. Don't forget
to shave with the grain of your beard (usually towards your
chin), at least for the rough stuff, as otherwise you push
whiskers in. This is stuff your dad should have taught you.
Another tip: men's mags (GQ, Esquire, etc.) may be silly, but
occasionally there's some good advice regarding this sort of
thing. -John
\_ I've used a Mach3 w/ a badger brush before nad it works great
but I'm lazy. I should have specified Im asking about
electrics. -OP |
| 2005/10/14-15 [Health/Disease/General] UID:40099 Activity:nil |
10/14 Yay, we can now synthesize 1918 Spanish flu from scratch!
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/1005/06natflu.html
"The group then used the recovered virus in experiments on mice,
chicken eggs and cultures of human lung tissue. It killed all the mice
within days, as well as chicken embryos normally used to produce
quantities of virus for vaccines. And it reproduced rapidly in lung
cells, even in cell cultures made to mimic certain body tissues where
flu cannot normally grow."
http://csua.org/u/dq3 (genomebiology.com)
"The findings raised enough concerns to inspire the US National Science
Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB) to call an emergency meeting
with the journals' editors, after which officials agreed that the
benefits of publication outweighed any risks."
http://csua.org/u/dq4 (Krauthammer column)
"The flu virus, properly evolved, is potentially a destroyer of
civilizations. We might have just given it to our enemies. Have a nice
day."
\_ this is old news. buy crucell's stock. buy buy buy.
\_ oops, sorry, I went on vacation the day the news broke.
anyway, some more informative links, mainly that there was an
informed decision by experts to release the data, and there is
a right-wing wacko today who chose not to mention that. |
| 2005/10/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40100 Activity:moderate |
10/14 Margaret Thatcher on Iraq WMDs (according to an associate):
"I /was/ a scientist before I was a politician. And as a scientist I
know you need facts, evidence and proof - and then you check, recheck
and check again. The fact was that there /were/ no facts, there was no
evidence, and there was no proof. As a politician the most serious
decision you can take is to commit your armed services to war from
which they may not return."
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article319542.ece
\_ Obviously she's less senile at 80 than Dubya is now.
\_ Lessons learned? "Oh well, Daddy will fix it."
\_ The brain cells you killed with alcohol will grow back?
Or not ... |
| 2005/10/14-15 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:40101 Activity:nil |
10/14 Is there a way in OS X to see what computers are joining my
home wireless network? Thanks.
\_ Do you have the Airport Management Tools installed? If so,
The AirPort Management Utility will let you see what is
connected to your ABS, AEBS or AE. |
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