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2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40079 Activity:high |
10/14 Dear Politburo: I'd like to request that in the future, ALL the names of donors be made public as to minimize the potential conflict of interest in the future. Currently things go on in csua and we don't know anything about it until decisions are already made. There needs to be accountability via public auditing. Please make the donation and financing information public. Until that happens, there is no more donations from me. I ask all donors to do the same. Thanks. -alum who donated $200, you know who I am \_ How donations worked at my last job was that a donor could specifically ask to be anonymous. Otherwise names could be used in print. It seems in bad taste to print amounts, unless a donation is particularly large and merits special appreciation. That can be done in other ways, however, such as including some- thing like, "Donations from these members were particularly generous, and deserve extra appreciation." \_ This is in the process, the only reason I don't have logs readily availible is that I have been backlogged on work. In the future there will be a mechanism to more easily see the status of csua finances. In regard to disclosing the names of donors, I'm not sure that will be the policy, but I think we can disclose the amounts of each donation (along with all the other money allocations). -mrauser \- dear op: you should post "i donated" to the motd and then get somebody to complain and then have that motd entry deanonymized. mrauser: so what is the rationale to have donation be anon by default but have the motd entries be non-anon. \_ MOTD: Public forum Donation: Private funds As mrauser said below, the reason we don't post donator information is that we do not want any of this to turn into a "my opinion is more important because I donated more" war. \_ Why not? Seems like an excellent fundraiser-- provided you don't make any actual guarantees of letting someone's opinion matter more. After all, isn't this how the US congress and senate work? If it's good enough for them why not for the CSUA? --PeterM When we finally bring Soda Mark VII live and I send out the grand email announcing such, I will post the names of those who donated, but I will not post amounts. - jvarga \_ This being the most I have posted to the motd in a day... ever, I'm going to be brief. When there are monitary things involved, I would rather err on the side of anonimity. I wouldn't want a "who's donation is bigger" war, and there is no need at all for the public to know WHO donated. Its not meant to be a blame game or a "I've donated so my opinion matters" situation. Thats my rationale for donations being not freely publicly disclosed (exactly why do you need to know who donated?). As for reasons why the motd would be non anonymous, read the minutes, but we wish to discern who posts overt threats on our motd. -mrauser \- are you suggesting it would be censure-worthy for a donor to say "i donated $x" publicly [say in the motd or wall]? how about chowing all the binaries in /csua/bin lest somebody try to throw his weight around because they installed COOL SOFTWARE on sloda? maybe we should make it illegal to keep WALL WARRIOR stats in case new users should fall under the pernicious influence of top WALL WARRIORS. maybe they will SELL THEIR VOTES in return for ANCIENT WALL WARRIOR SECRETS. |
2005/10/14 [Uncategorized] UID:40080 Activity:nil |
10/13 Wasn't there someone here who works at iTMS? What's up with the store recently? None of the song listings seem to show up on certain computers. |
2005/10/14 [Recreation/Humor, Recreation/Media] UID:40081 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
10/13 THIS is modern art. (video) http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=vwl98dU0kY8 |
2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40082 Activity:very high |
10/13 I asked a bit earlier how many of you angry motd-ers are actual CSUA \_ Who's angry? This is a non-issue. The CSUA politburo should do whatever the active CSUA members (i.e. enrolled undergrads) vote to do. We're just excercising the privilege of the ancient to smirk condescendingly on the sillinesses that the puppies come up with :-) -John voters. I am guessing very few are. The reality is this is not your machine, and this is not your organization, anymore. The current students in charge are free to run things however they wish. As someone so bluntly put it below, "the decision stands and is not debatable". I do find it amusing that after all the alum donations to spiff up the place, we are then told off so cavalierly. \- raising the matter of "are you a current ucb undergrad" might be relevant if the issue was about voting or representation, but if it is about ideas, and they are making reasonable points rather than just claiming "i am older and smarter; you are young and naive" then you should ignore where they ideas are coming from but just address the ideas themselves if they have merit. if the values of the older members are that much out to lunch how can you justify operating under a consitution hardly changed from somethign they wrote ... or are you claiming they somehow had your values when in school but then become unmoored and unhinged upon leaving the evans/sloda/cory environs. \_ I don't know, another question worth asking is "How many of the angry motd-ers donated?" I did, and I pretty much agree with \_ "Did you donate?" is the CSUA's "you haven't served" -John \_ Of course, "you haven't served" is occasionally also the CSUA's "you haven't served". -gm politburo. Although, actually, perhaps a different experiment would be interesting. Part of the problem currently is the anonymity differential. Things only got really nasty around jblack when kchang's diff exposed who it was posting the freeper links. Then some blow hard starting harrasing him anonymously. If anonymity had been guaranteed, at least THAT wouldn't have happened. -jrleek \_ Check your crystal ball again, that wasn't my post. The decision \_ mea culpa was debated extensively (see the pages upon pages in the minutes) and it saddens me that the anonimity was abused so badly that it will help to remove it. I won't monitor you if you want to make your own world writable ~myname/sleezepit.motd where you can slander, insult and threaten as you please. I think the csua motd should be a place where people can post and not be completely hounded. When exactly did you donate by the way? -mrauser \- what is the rationale for not monitoring ~myname/sleezepit.motd but monitoring /etc/motd? --psb \_ If you really need to ask this you are SO dense. Why do you think I would possibly want to be responsible for hateful comments on the csua's message of the day? You should probably just go think on it, this isn't worthy of a response. -mrauser \- ok i am a moron. tell me how you will deal with the following: Anonymous A challenges john@soda to a GUN DUEL in ~psb/motd.sleaze. Then PSB posts "Hey John has been challeneged to a GUN DUEL in ~psb/motd.sleaze!" to the motd.public ... this is either signed by psb or "discovered" to be psb via the motd.log. questions presented: 1. is psb liable for something? if so, what? is he reponsible for the threat or just running a non-anonymous forum for thraets? so if psb could find the original threatener A, is he then ok? or is he guilty of helping out the threat? if psb is guilty for helping ut the threat by cross posting it, then isnt something who doesnt delete an obnoxious comment in the motd also responsible for "helping to spread disharmony on sloda"? \_ hello, in the context of a threat you may not be liable [ not 100% sure, maybe there is some way to argue accomplice/conspiracy ] in the context of defamation you could be liable b/c you republished. 2. does the politburo not feel responsible in this case since the official motd only contains a POINTER to the inflammatory content? 3. maybe i am a moron, but it seems if the reason to for the heavy handed intervention is stop threats then this should extent to any reasonable public forums on sloda. it certainly seems like i should not even be allowed to advertise my evil motd in the official sleaze free zone. although if i am not allowed to post my pointer to ~psb/motd.sleaze, i have to ask can i post a link to http://sleaze.psb.org with the exact same discussion? ... so it IS ok to post a "sleazy pointer" as long as it points out of CSUA space? if that is not fine either, why is it permissable to post offensive links at all? again what is the criteria of "bad" ... offensive/ obscene? child porn? emotionally damaging comments? [like calling somebody a clown? what if you like clowns?] physical threats? what if i just post "i would like to meet you in a boxing ring"? \_ Partha, it's "GUN DUEL", not "a GUN DUEL". -John \- funny you should say that. --psb |
2005/10/14 [Reference/BayArea] UID:40083 Activity:nil |
10/14 SF deyoung opening back up in SF this weekend, it's open for free this weekend for 31 hours continuously from 10AM sat to 5pm sunday, which I think is a pretty cool gimmick. http://www.thinker.org/deyoung/visiting/index.asp - danh |
2005/10/14 [Reference/Religion] UID:40084 Activity:high |
10/14 Question for MOTD Lawyers [not related to CSUA stuff]: Say I were to start a legal [so not legally obscene] ass p0rn site. Clearly, I would not be allowed to say "brought to you by IBM". However, could I say, "this site endorsed by The Catholic Church"? What about just "The Church" or "by Rome"? If not allowed, who has standing to sue me? Anybody who is offended? Any Catholic? Any Church bishop or higher? What about "this site endorsed by Protestants" or "by Hindu priests". Let's rule out any kind of parody or political point/art type defenses. \_ What does Rome have to do with the Church's authority? And, btw, if you're trying to make a joke with it, try to be funny. \_ 2 sec answer (assuming you are serious, which you prob. aren't): 1. "The Catholic Church" - sounds like misrep and defmation to me, and they might even be able to show NY Times malice. The Church itself would have to sue. 2. "The Church" - this is harder b/c there are so many churches who claim to be "The Church." Best is if you find a "church" that backs you up or you make your own church, say "The Church of Pr0n." 3. "Rome" - the municipality may have standing in fed. ct to sue you for misrep and defamation. Note that the Vatican, a separate city, may not have standing. 4. "Protestants" - Find two protestants who will give endorsements and you should be okay. 5. "Hindu Priests" - same as protestants. Though it will be harder to find hindu priests who will support you. Personally I'd change it to hindus and find two hindus to support you and you should be okay. BTW, we hindus think that everyone is a hindu regardless of how you classify yourself, so all you need is one person other than yourself. Furthermore, there is no authoritative version of hinduism so if you adopt the view that everyone is a hindu regardless of their professed religion, there isn't a good argument against that. \_ Can you say "brought to you by IBM" if you're on IBM hardware? I imagine you can say "brought to you on IBM hardware", and that's almost as good for the unwashed masses. \_ Actually, in order to use their name (IBM), you will likely need their permission. \_ What about "this site runs on an IBM Pornserver model 69" or something like that? -John \_ If it is on the main page and is prominently featured, I think they have a false light claim and probably some sort of misappropri- ation claim. If just have it on some other page and its not really that prominent, you are probably okay. |
2005/10/14-15 [Finance/Investment] UID:40085 Activity:nil |
10/14 http://www.thisislondon.com/films/articles/20638955 In choosing the next Bond (probably because Brosnan was too expensive): "Hugh Jackman ... was 'too fey', Colin Farrell 'too sleazy', Eric Bana 'not handsome enough' - and Ewan McGregor 'too short' at 5'10"." |
2005/10/14-15 [Recreation/Media, Reference/Religion] UID:40086 Activity:nil |
10/14 I can't make this stuff up: http://tinyurl.com/bmrfj Arab version of Simpsons (Homer Simpson -> Omar Shamshoon) not as funny as the original. |
2005/10/14-15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40087 Activity:high |
10/14 While it is true that someone made a threat to jblack, who started it? jblack persistently posted freeper trolls and attempted \_ Um, more to the point, who took it seriously? jblack certainly didn't as he never made any effort to contact administrators, nor is there any evidence he sic'd the university on the CSUA. Someone else took umbrage, and started this pointless folderol, and we're unfortunate enough that he found a sympathetic ear. \_ I took it seriously. I don't care if jblack lauphed it off or not. Your going to have a hard time convincing me that it is important for the CSUA to protect the right of people to threaten other people anonymously. To me, that is the sole and final purpose of the motd logging. -mrauser \_ Why do all CSUA Treasurers go mad with power? - danh \_ so, uhhh....does that mean that if there are no threats the motd will remain un-fucked-with? I would like to point out that all of the problems with the motd degenerating into personal attacks and threats would have been solved if the motd were *truly* anonymous to all but root. That would include people choosing to sign posts. \_ If you want to design a tool that can fool kchang's logging and make it publicly availible you are welcome to do so. Of course scp always works, but the disjointed merging is quite hozerish. Right now, the definitive logging _will_ only be availible to root. Not everyone will be able to see the logs. -mrauser \_ What's the list of users with root access? what safeguards are there that what was written with the assumption of anonymity will not get posted all over the internet with the names attached? Anonymity is important for discussion of unpopular, minority opinions, sensitvie topics, personal problems, cs problems, career advice, etc. All these advantages would get taken away from many people just because one guy made a threat on jblack? \_ Take a look waaaay down the page to see my reply to someone on this issue. To summarize: any root who abuses power and looks at logs for inappropriate purposes will be hozed hard by me. Also, the root list has been and continues to be trimmed. - jvarga \_ Why is anonymity important here? Given that motd \_ Anonymity is not important, just as the motd is trivial, silly and fun. It does, however, add flavor. I don't know why people are turning this into some massive debate on principles--de- anonymizing the motd is stupid and missing the point, but if the active members/politburo want to do it, that's their good right. -John is displayed for everyone by default, shouldn't accountability be more important here? If I'm forced to read someone's insane rant, I'd rather know who to ignore in the future. - rollee \_ make it non-default then. also, you make the choice of applying for a soda account and continuing to use it. even then, noboby is forcing you to read anything. and you can do a clear and cat of motd.official after logging in, or just use .hushlogin \_ yea, but except for the guy who threatened jblack, everyone else didn't cross the line, so why are we being punished? How am I supposed to ask a dumb CS question now without embarassing myself? - soda donor at hiding freeper urls, knowingly how they really piss off knee-jerking left wing-nut liberals. If it weren't for jblack's initial immaturity and his complaints to politburo, the deanonymizing of motd which got started by our good 'ol conservative friend jrleek, would not have happened in the first place. \_ But the point is that it isn't only threats to jblack, there have been numerous instances of people harrassing others on the MOTD. We also had some moron threatning the POTUS last year after the elections. You have to admit, in the past half decade the MOTD certainly has gotten a lot more vicious. It's an unfortunate trend and we all are probably partially liable for it. I know I am. The MOTD, along with wall and ntalk are also dying mediums, so it's understandable that the current generation of undergrads show little interest and little patience for MOTD antics... -williamc \_ You aren't being punished if you're not doing things that would cause root to actually have to look at the logs. You seem to be assuming that root cares who posts stupid questions and remarks. Don't worry about there being logs if you're not doing anything bad. - jvarga \_ I have no idea who the root guys are. what if one of them is immature like the guy who threatened jblack, and I've just had a political argument with him, and he went nuts? \_ By popular request, your root staff and politburo are now listed in the official motd. - jvarga \_ What if one of the root guys IS jblack? Go Bush! |
2005/10/14 [Uncategorized] UID:40088 Activity:nil |
10/14 WASHINGTON (AFP) - US consumer inflation surged at the fastest pace in more than 25 years in September, rising a steeper-than-expected 1.2 percent, according to the Labor Department. |
2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:40089 Activity:nil |
10/14 While it is true that someone made a threat to jblack, who started it? jblack persistently posted freeper trolls and attempted at hiding freeper urls, knowingly how they really piss off knee-jerking left wing-nut liberals. If it weren't for jblack's initial immaturity and his complaints to politburo, the deanonymizing of motd which got started by our good 'ol conservative friend jrleek, would not have happened in the first place. Jblack is like this little kid harrassing bullies and when he is bullied he runs to his mommy for help. \_ What's your point? I never claimed jblack's conduct was examplary. However, nothing he did justified the phychopathic response, and anonymous threats of harrassment are clearly beyond the pale. He also, as far as I know, never ran to anyone for help, or complained. The fact remains that jblack hater guy clearly overstepped both legal and moral lines. I have no problem with the general causticness of the motd, (that's amckee's deal) but I do have a problem with criminality. The motd was never truly anonymous anyway, even if you do use scp. The fact is that politburo would rather enact an overarching rule than do a little detective work. -jrleek \_ So which act was deemed criminal? \_ http://csua.org/u/dq1 \_ So the bar is pretty low... \_ Wow, talk about blaming the victim. "He insisted on posting _links_ to a political philosophy I disagree with so I went totally psycho on him! He *made* me do it!" Sheesh. Ridiculous. \_ It all depends on how high you believe the stakes are in the co-called "culture war". Personally, I believe that the stakes couldn't be higher. I believe that the group of radical Christians trying to overtake America will stop at nothing to build a fascist theocracy where a guy like me will end up dead just for being an athiest scientist who reads the wrong books. The radical Christian enemy is clearly willing to die for their dark vision of America, and so am I. Seen in that light, a few insults and even threats on the motd just aren't a big deal. I am not "jblack hater guy", but I will not be suprised at all if in 10 years, I'm looking over a barricade at someone just like jblack, both fighting to the last. Ideas matter. Political philosophy *always* contains the threat of violence ultimately. \_ And THIS is why I love the motd. -jrleek \_ Whoa. This is probably just a crazy troll, but you really need to read up on Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., and nonviolent resistance. Violence is not inevitable. Don't go the way of Stalinist idiots like International ANSWER, please. \_ Ok, speaking of Stalin, what exactly do you think would have happened if we had not had the power to rain nuclear death down on the USSR? We'd just form a human chain in Berlin and sing some songs and they'd back down? How about Saddamn in 91? What's your pacifist solution there? Or the Taleban? Pacifism can solve many problems, and can deal with many types of people, but it is rarely the solution to the problem of pure evil. \_ The bitch was asking for it. \_ I'm investing in tin futures. Where are all these evil theocrats running around dying for their cause killing atheist scientists? \_ You have to read between the lines a bit, but I believe this is the ultimate goal of righwing preachers like Dobson and Falwell--they just don't talk like that yet because they're in stealth mode and because they think they can take over "democratically" using the GOP. Their real chance is going to come after the Peak Oil crash. At that point, society will face some very hard choices, and we will have to either invest in science and technology very intensly to get ourselves out, or fall into another dark ages, which the Christian fascists will be quick to advocate. That is the scenario where they'll end up trying to take power through violence. \_ This is brilliant! You have actually managed to troll a discussion about how to make the motd a worth while and non-hostile, yet anonymous place *and* slipped in a peak oil reference as well. Your troll-fu has exceeded all previous known bounds of trollery. \_ How much would it disturb you to discover that I believe everything I wrote? \_ Not at all. But then I've read The True Believer. \_ I've seen Serentity, how close is that? \_ I agree with him. It's no secret that fundie power nuts like Falwell and Dobson fantasize of a Christian Taliban, a whole country where everyone is a Christian drone while they live lives of luxury and limitless power. \_ Falwell was at the last politburo meeting though so I dunno. -mrauser \_ So they have power fantasies? So what? That means we should turn the motd into a pit? I'm so going to buy tin futures. Are you also of the opinion that this has something to do with Peak Oil? And how does Elvis, Area 51 and the Bigfoot/Dolphin conspiracy play into this? \_ Don't you mean aluminum? \_ Although, I have to admit, using a non-anonimizer to catch the anonymous motd censor would be really great. -jrleek |
2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:40090 Activity:nil |
10/14 So, amckee and mrauser think that a csua web forum would be a good idea. If fact, they think it would surpass the motd in popularity. I disagree because CSUA discussion forums don't have much draw. There's no theme except that all the people on them are CSUA members. However, what if we had a web forum and the subjects of the current active threads were displayed on login (as the motd used to be)? We could even have them display on the lounge machines on login as xterm as an ad to join the CSUA. -jrleek \_ They have valid points. Kids today don't value their CS accounts like the old farts. They prefer to use yahoo, gmail, POP3, and what not, bypassing motd completely. Secondly, motd has been in a steadily declining state ever since paolo disabled "more /etc/motd.public" for default .login. Most of the new soda users don't even know about wall or motd. I predict the death of wall and motd within 5 years. With new user monitoring mechanism in place, it may even speed up the process. Your goal to make motd more civil is a very noble goal, and I completely support it. However, unless you want to see motd dying, you should also concentrate your efforts on getting new members. \_ I agree with you, but politburo doesn't. I've already had the "let's make the motd display on login again" conversation with them 2 or 3 times. So, the above was my attempt at a compromise. -jrleek |
2005/10/14 [Uncategorized] UID:40091 Activity:nil |
10/14 psb is a notorious dope fiend! |
2005/10/14 [Computer/Theory, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:40092 Activity:nil |
10/14 If only we had some sort of forum to discuss having some sort of forum so we could disc---... heh sorry. :-) |
2005/10/14 [Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:40093 Activity:nil |
10/14 Prius recall: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051014/ap_on_bi_ge/japan_toyota_recall_3 |
2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:40094 Activity:nil |
10/14 So what are the stuff jvarga thinks still need work on freebsd new soda? \_ new soda doesn't need any investments in equipments and software upgrades. instead, new soda seriously needs investments in tech training for a new generation of competent, helpful, and caring sysadms. if you have a choice, always invest in the people first. the current politburo is a fine example of what happens otherwise. |
2005/10/14-2010/9/30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:40095 Activity:nil |
**/** Do not mail individual members of root for assistance. You will be ignored! Your root staff are: steven, edilaic, mconst, jvarga, mikeh, mrauser, kimbrel, toulouse, vaheder Your Politburo are: kimbrel (P), steven (VP), toulouse (S), yns88 (T), vidya (L), steven (E), bordicon (A) Your new Politburo are: toulouse (P), steven (VP), eyung (T), stevenk (S), sakura (L), dw5ight (E), scotspin (A) The uncensored messages below this line may not reflect opinions of the CSUA. |
2005/10/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40096 Activity:moderate |
10/14 Why do we try so hard to ignore what our enemies say about themselves? http://victorhanson.com/articles/thornton101305.html \_ Wow, what a lot of useless hot air. Maybe us motd trolls should apply for jobs at the Hoover Institution so we can get actually paid to bloviate. This guy, on the other hand earns his keep as a writer: http://www.exile.ru/2005-July-28/victor_hanson.html \_ You mean the guy who wrote this idiotic rant? There's a whole lot of unsubstatiated accusations in there, not much else. \_ The War Nerd is in the *entertainment* business. You read crap like that in about a minute and a half, and are slightly amused, that's the point. Dr. Professor fucktard, on the other hand, is neither entertaining nor informative, nor does he propose any usefull solutions to any problems. \_ Victor Hansen's books on ancient history are all right. His attempts at making 1 to 1 comparisons of ancient military forces to current conflicts are really reaching though, and I can't stand his widely published opinion pieces in newspapers. It's also hard to say if 'War Nerd' is a real person, I am signed up to interview his supposed boss in November, I am slightly afraid to ask him. - danh \_ http://csua.org/u/dq7 (juancole.com) Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History at UMich, Ph.D. in Islamic Studies at UCLA, fluent in Arabic and Persian, thinks letter is a forgery: "the mistakes are those a Shiite might make when pretending to be a Sunni". |
2005/10/14-15 [Reference/Military] UID:40097 Activity:moderate |
10/14 Fist, your newest weapon of terror: http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/14/plane.punch.ap \_ Hulk Smash! \- some how the subhead of the article, 'Perhaps it was some sort of psychotic episode' reminds me of csua current events. |
2005/10/14-15 [Health/Men, Health/Skin] UID:40098 Activity:moderate |
10/14 I'm not crazy about my electric razor, it tends to pull my hairs too much when I've got a couple daya growth. Anyone have reccomendations? My only constraint is thta it must not be a slime-oozing model. \_ Badger-hair brush, exfoliant/shaving oil/shaving cream/aftershave from Art of Shaving, Gilette Mach 3 blade, shave under the shower. Cons: $$$ Pro: No more hamburger face. -John \_ I haven't tried the other stuff, but I agree that the Mach 3 is completely awesome. Well worth the money. \_ Can you describe the proper purpose and usage of those oils and aftershave and whatnot? \_ I've just found that this stuff, while pricey, works really well for me, and I'm willing to pay for it to avoid the agony and mess I usually get from shaving (pain hurts!). Exfoliant: gets rid of dead crap and cleans skin. Oil: Softens skin & beard before shaving. Brush: lifts whiskers so they're cut nicely. Non-alcohol-based aftershave: calms skin down. Hot water/steam: also softens skin. Don't forget to shave with the grain of your beard (usually towards your chin), at least for the rough stuff, as otherwise you push whiskers in. This is stuff your dad should have taught you. Another tip: men's mags (GQ, Esquire, etc.) may be silly, but occasionally there's some good advice regarding this sort of thing. -John \_ I've used a Mach3 w/ a badger brush before nad it works great but I'm lazy. I should have specified Im asking about electrics. -OP |
2005/10/14-15 [Health/Disease/General] UID:40099 Activity:nil |
10/14 Yay, we can now synthesize 1918 Spanish flu from scratch! http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/1005/06natflu.html "The group then used the recovered virus in experiments on mice, chicken eggs and cultures of human lung tissue. It killed all the mice within days, as well as chicken embryos normally used to produce quantities of virus for vaccines. And it reproduced rapidly in lung cells, even in cell cultures made to mimic certain body tissues where flu cannot normally grow." http://csua.org/u/dq3 (genomebiology.com) "The findings raised enough concerns to inspire the US National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB) to call an emergency meeting with the journals' editors, after which officials agreed that the benefits of publication outweighed any risks." http://csua.org/u/dq4 (Krauthammer column) "The flu virus, properly evolved, is potentially a destroyer of civilizations. We might have just given it to our enemies. Have a nice day." \_ this is old news. buy crucell's stock. buy buy buy. \_ oops, sorry, I went on vacation the day the news broke. anyway, some more informative links, mainly that there was an informed decision by experts to release the data, and there is a right-wing wacko today who chose not to mention that. |
2005/10/14-15 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40100 Activity:moderate |
10/14 Margaret Thatcher on Iraq WMDs (according to an associate): "I /was/ a scientist before I was a politician. And as a scientist I know you need facts, evidence and proof - and then you check, recheck and check again. The fact was that there /were/ no facts, there was no evidence, and there was no proof. As a politician the most serious decision you can take is to commit your armed services to war from which they may not return." http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article319542.ece \_ Obviously she's less senile at 80 than Dubya is now. \_ Lessons learned? "Oh well, Daddy will fix it." \_ The brain cells you killed with alcohol will grow back? Or not ... |
2005/10/14-15 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:40101 Activity:nil |
10/14 Is there a way in OS X to see what computers are joining my home wireless network? Thanks. \_ Do you have the Airport Management Tools installed? If so, The AirPort Management Utility will let you see what is connected to your ABS, AEBS or AE. |
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