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| 2005/8/27-29 [Science/Biology, Health/Women] UID:39300 Activity:nil |
8/26 Smallest free-living cell SAR11:
http://www.terradaily.com/news/life-05zzzz.html |
| 2005/8/27-29 [Academia/Berkeley] UID:39301 Activity:nil |
8/26 http://tinyurl.com/cnpn7 UC Berkeley Sather Tower from the satellite. Click on it a few times so that we can beat the Furds in the number counts!!! |
| 2005/8/27-12/2 [Uncategorized] UID:39302 Activity:nil |
8/27 Home dir quotas mysteriously went up again. Who knew. Happy birthday.
- jvarga
\_ 9/22 Fixed a bug in my cron script on keg. Your quotas will now
be correctly calculated and enforced. Sorry bout that. Luckily
only one of you hozers abused it. - jvarga |
| 2005/8/27-29 [Finance/Investment] UID:39303 Activity:nil |
8/27 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050827/ap_on_bi_ge/greenspan Greenspan says housing will cool off. PREDICTION: Housing will go even higher for a year or so, simply because the market has a history of being defiant of what experts say. \_ As long as there is a "greater fool" that will pay even more, housing will keep going up. There will probably be another S&L type crisis when the bubbles start popping and that will probably mean the end to low mortgage rates for another generation or two. \_ Home prices will start to fall in Q4 of 2005 and reach a nadir on Nov 17, 2007. -Swami the Magnificent (from 03/05) \_ aus^H^H^HSwami the Magnificent, do you think there will be a secondary recession soon? What do you think about the US currency (vs. foreign currency)? And why do you hate America? Are you a gay sympathizer? Do you like sodomy? \_ No recession. Probably a further slowdown, but no actual recession. I think the dollar is overvalued, but then again so is the Euro. All my 401k money is in overseas stocks, mostly developing economies. I don't hate America, I love America. I consider myself a patriot. I do hate idiot warmongering Republicans, though. I am defintely a gay Republicans, though. I am defininetly a gay symapthizer. I love sodomizing yermom, though. \_ Stop lying! There is no bubble! Lalalalalalalala! \_ Just tell Chinese stop buying those treasure notes that is hurting America! |
| 2005/8/27-29 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:39304 Activity:nil |
8/27 Korea looking to sell some fighters jets for $100 each:
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200508/kt2005081519485168040.htm
\_ That's awesome. Only if I have a place store it...
\_ Shipping not included |
| 2005/8/27-29 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:39305 Activity:high |
8/27 There are 3000 pro-war anti-Sheehan protestors on tour, with lots
of television broadcasts paid for by moveamericaforward. So, where
are Cindy's ads? Poor liberals can't afford expensive broadcasts?
Secondly Cindy's campaign seems so disorganized, with no clear
financial backers. The first link to her web site says "Donate."
This is sad. We fucking liberals are apathetic and pathetic need to
get out and counter moveamericaforward's mega Cindy-bashing campaign.
\_ Nonsense. She's got a catered camp funded by http://moveon.org and the
rest of the usual suspects. Go STFW for 5 seconds to find out
who is funding her.
\_ The Swifties are going to try and character assassinate her, too.
\_ Cindy was camping out in a ditch for the first week before people
started to organize around her. No one is "funding" Cindy. If
there were no one else there, she would still be.
\_ The Swifties are going to try and assassinate her, too.
\_ The Swifties are going to try and character assassinate her, too.
Let's see if that works out for them. So far, it has not:
http://www.pollingreport.com/national.htm#Bush
\_ Honestly, what's there left to assassinate with Ms. We Are
Waging Nuclear War In Iraq? She's her own worst enemy, imo.
-- ilyas
\_ And so is our ilyas, but we still lurve him so!
\_ People tend to see in her what they want to see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1466555/posts
You are pro-War, right?
\_ I am pro-yermom. I think the characterization of that lady
as a nut is pretty spot on. This 'people see what they
want to see' line is weak. She is a nut. Do I get to
call you a liberal nut apologist now, ausman? -- ilyas
\_ Sure. Liberal nut apologist is a fair
characterization of me. -ausman
characterization of me. Did you even read the
Freeper article? -ausman
\_ I think you should give it a rest. I remember you
were calling Cato right-wing big business lackeys
due to their funding sources. Since people's agendas
are fully determined by their funding (according to
you), we have all we need to know about Sheehan just
from that, right? Except you seem strangely
silent about Sheehan's funding, preferring to talk
about public opinion being split. I mean if you
want to know the reasons people aren't even-handed
or 'see what they want to see,' I don't think you
have very far to look. My characterization of
Sheehan is that she is a nut exploiting her son's
death for political ends, who in turn is being
exploited for political ends. For the record, I had
not a single bad thing to say about Sheehan until
she finally opened her mouth. -- ilyas
\_ Ilya, she's been in the media since at least May.
She spoke to Conyer's meeting on the Downing St.
memos. You've complained about a couple of
passages. If you think that's the sum total of
what she has said, you're jumping the gun.
\_ In the political world, I think it's usually
pretty telling where the money comes from,
especially when its origin is from large,
politically charged entities. To be in denial of
this is to be in denial about the realities of
how politics work in this country. Of course,
I think you probably aren't in denial, but you
seem a little hasty in your accusation of ausman's
how politics work in this country. Of course, I
don't think you are in denial, but you seem a
little hasty in your accusation of ausman's
hypocrisy wrt bringing up sources of funding.
(in Sheehan's case, it's so blindingly obvious
In Sheehan's case, it's so blindingly obvious
where her political bias is, I have a hard
time seeing why any sane person would need
confirmation via her monetary backing. -mice
\_ To tell you the truth, I have not really bothered
bothered to do any serious research on Sheehan's
positions. All I really know about her is that
she lost a son in Iraq and is now protesting the
War outside of Bush's ranch. Which is a perfectly
legal and acceptable thing to do. If she starts
to write something of serious intellectual note,
say in the New Yorker or The National Review,
I will read it and decide what I think of her ideas
As far as I can tell, you think anyone opposed to
the Iraq war is a "nut" which means about 2/3
of the populace now. Sure, she is supported
by http://moveon.org and Michael Moore, they are on
the same page politically, at least with regard
to the War in Iraq. Is everyone supported by
http://moveon.org a "nut" in your book? John Kerry,
for example? And how the heck is she being
"exploited for political ends"? Who is exploiting
her? If you willingly work with someone else
for the same political end, you are not being
exploited, you are forming political coalitions.
One further thing and why I will not "give it a
rest." If you disagree with Sheehan then attack
her positions. Do not follow the tried and true
Right Wing tactic of character assassination.
This is what they did to Clinton, Kerry, Schiavo's
husbande and now they (and you) are trying with
Sheehan. If her ideas are so weak, you should be able
to demolish them without resorting to questioning
her sanity. -ausman
husband and now they (and you) are trying with
Sheehan. If her ideas are so weak, you should be
able to demolish them without resorting to
questioning her sanity. -ausman
\_ No, I think someone who says we are waging a
nuclear war in Iraq is a nut. I actually have
no problem with her position per se (being
anti-war), I have a problem with _her_, more
specifically what she says. As I said, I had
no problems with her at all until she opened
her mouth. My position is similar to someone
who doesn't like freepers because they are nuts,
not because what they believe in is stupid
(freepers can hold perfectly defensible
positions on a number of issues). -- ilyas
\_ Okay, now that I think about it some more,
I can see that if you honestly think she
is insane, that it is obvious how she is
being exploited. I haven't read enough of
her to know if she is or not. Do you base
your assessment of her on extensive readings
of her ideas or on one out of context
quote on the motd? -ausman
\- believeing we are waging nukular war
in iraq as am epirical fact is about as
in iraq as an empirical fact is about as
insane as believing in changing water
into wine, transubstitution, astrology,
creationism, or fat reducing creams,
and is about as ignorant as not being
able to locate the pacific ocean on a
globe ... in fact know knowing the diff
globe ... in fact not knowing the diff
between DU bullets and nukular weapons is
probably more forgivable. so sheehan
is in a lot of company if not necessarily
quality company. pat roberson is who is
shocking, not cindy sheehan. --psb
\_ The people that generally refer to DU
use as nuclear warfare know the
difference. It may be a crudish over-
statement, but they've at least got
some research to back up their health
concerns over its use.
\_ This is not an excuse an english
speaking american could use, but
Al Jazeera reported that the U.S. had
used a nuke at one point in Iraq. It
was the same bullshit as typical lies
on foxnews: put it up long enough
for morons to believe, but take it
down in time to still make it look
like a mistake. I did not personally
see this, as I don't know arabic,but
it was pretty well documented at the
time(shortly after the initial
invasion).
\_ I don't think everything lumped under
astrology is necessarily insane, the
influence of the moon on the biosphere
is pretty well documented. -- ilyas
\- and this needs no response. --psb
\_ Do we know Sheehan actually had DU
bullets in mind when she talked about
nuclear war? Do we cut her slack
nuclear war? Or do we cut her slack
because we are sympathetic to her
cause? Would we be as forgiving of
some freeper bogeyman or even jblack?
\- you can be too stupid to be put
to death by the state, but not
too stupid to vote or have a
right to free speech.
\_ The question is not whether one
can be too stupid to have a
right to free speech. The
question is whether one can be
too stupid to be taken
seriously. The question is also
whether we invent excuses for
Sheehan because we agree with
her.
\- i dont think she is an
expert on middle east
policy. is she any more
clueless than the large
numbers who believe WMDs
were found or saddam and
osama sed to have pool parties
together? or is she any more
insane than the "a zygote
has a soul" crowd? i dont
think so. she is a figure
of pathos, not logos, to
put it in "greek" terms.--psb
\_ Are motd types apologists
for WMD-believers? For
Osama/Saddam theorists?
For soul zygote types?
Then why excuse Sheehan?
All animals are equal, but
some animals are more
equal than others?
\- the "excuse" isnt
categorical. i doubt
sheehan knows anything
about measure theory
but i have no problem
with her right or
inclination to sit at
the side of the road
ranting. micahel moore
probably isnt much of
a historian but as an
film maker he has a
certain talent as a
rhetorical terrorist.
i think the immediate
pullout view point is
dumb and unethical
but i think the ethical
position is to have
BUSHCO consigned to the
dustbin of history but
since that is not going
to happen, i'm not
displeased to see things
a little hot for BUSHCO
\_ Hey ilyas, don't tell us about
the stars.
\- "Various polls have shown that erosion of war support has been
faster in Iraq than during the Vietnam War in the 1960s."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9084651/page/2
What do you guys have to say about this? |
| 2005/8/27-29 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:39306 Activity:nil |
8/27 Is there a web site that'll give me statistics and historical charts
on the progress of the increasingly maimed and dying soldiers in
Iraq and Afghanistan? I was reading this web site that says Iraq
war has the lowest fatality rate (only 10% of wounded soldiers
dead) vs. Vietnam (with 24% wounded dead).
\_ http://icasualties.org. In relation to past wars, yes, casualty rates are
lower, prob because of tactical and medical advances.
\_ that makes sense. we have better technology. i bet we have a
higher percentage of soldiers coming home with non functioning
limbs, if only because in previous wars, they would have did. |
| 2005/8/27-29 [Reference/Law/Court] UID:39307 Activity:nil |
8/27 How's this for a frivilous lawsuit?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050827/ap_on_re_us/creationism_lawsuit
\_ i still want credit for the 5 on my AP Christianity test |
| 2005/8/27-29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:39308 Activity:moderate |
8/27 Told you the Bushi'ites were going to turn violent:
"In one heated moment, members of the pro-Bush crowd turned on
what they mistakenly thought were a group of anti-war protesters,
cursing them, threatening them and tearing down their signs.
A police officer rushed the group to safety."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050827/pl_nm/iraq_usa_protest_bush_dc
They see their dreams of world hegemony crumbling before their
eyes, so they are taking out their frustration on the nearest
available target, right now Cindy Sheehan.
\_ So what became of the reports of people attacking wounded vets
at the vet hospital? Did the anti-Bush attackers see their
dreams of world hegemony crumbling before their eyes, so they
took out their frustrations on the nearest available target,
right now some wounded vets just back from Iraq?
\_ URL? If true, this is disgustig.
\_ I assume the OP was referring to the Code Pink protest
\_ URL? If true, this is disgusting.
\_ I assume the pp was referring to the Code Pink protest
outside Walter Reed.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pol/93345236.html
(CNSNews.com is down, but this seems to be a faithful quote.)
http://csua.org/u/d6f (CNSNews)
\_ If this is the case, pp is nicely twisting "protesting at
army hospital" to "attacking wounded vets". Nonetheless
it's a pretty inappropriate place for a protest. -John
\_ When have the "anti-Bush attackers" ever dreamed of global
hegemony. Your message is muddied a bit by your pointless troll.
\_ Uhm, hello? Marxism? Read a book some time.
\_ A hell of a lot of very financially conservative people think
Bush is a mistake in every conceivable way. Anti-Bush ==
Marxism is about as stupid as you can get.
\- without defending marxism as a accurate description of
how national/global economies work, it is a fairly
interesting theory ... you learn something about what
it means to come up with a theory in the social sciences
and stucturally it has a lot in common with ideas that
in terms of substance it is totally unrealted to, if not
antithetical [for example what is the relationship of
natialism to other forces, be the class-consciousness, or
"globalism"/bond market etc]. see e.g. response to
T FRIEDMAN by JOHN GRAY. --psb
\_ Thanks for the tip -- John Gray's article is quite
good. -- Tom "Metropolitan" Townsend
\- you may wish to read the article on
Whit Stillman's "world view" reference in:
http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/BLOG/MetropolitanJudgment.txt
\_ STW for Code Pink. Context. Thank you.
\_ From a Code Pink website:
"CODEPINK is a women initiated grassroots peace and
social justice movement that seeks positive social
change through proactive, creative protest and
non-violent direct action." Sounds like Evil Monolithic
Communism to me. "positive social change" is probably
a code word for teaming up with the UN to take your
guns away and seep your precious bodily fluids.
\_ And this doesn't scream "MARXIST!" to you? Okey
dokey! Good job at reading between the lines. If
Halliburton's website described the company as being
an environmentally friendly, peace loving, do-no-
evil place, you'd believe that too, huh?
\_ IF YOU ARE NOT WITH US, YOU ARE WITH THE TERRORISTS! -GWB |
| 2005/8/27-29 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:39309 Activity:nil |
8/27 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4192004.stm Why didn't these anti-war grannies join Sheehan, or the other way around? See, this proves that us liberals simply can't unite. It's sad. I've lost faith in the Democratic party. Fuck it. -disillusioned |
| 2005/8/27-28 [Reference/Religion] UID:39310 Activity:nil |
8/27 Poll. c=caucasian, a=asian, j=jews, b=black, X=christian,
m=muslim, A=arab, Aj for arab jew, .=anonymous, what do you
think the effect of Gaza and West Bank pullout will be:
more peace: c
more conflict because Pallies are now
emboldened and want more: .
same: .
\- i think the palestianian leadership conducted themselves
faily poorly during the pull out. they would have looked a
lot more civilized if they had issued a statement along the
lines of "as persons deprived of our right to our land ourselves
we udnerstand what a visceral issue this is for the settlers and
the state of israel [ok maybe you cant say that] and even thought
it is mandatory to move forward to restore our patrimony, we
recogize this is a traumatic time" etc. --no supporter of israel
\_ You know, there might be a reason the Palestinians didn't issue
a statement that would make them appear a lot more civilized.
-- ilyas
\_ I guess it depends on how you define peace. I think that Hamas
has certainly been emboldened and wants more. They have
clearly stated as much publicly. On the other hand, the
internal Palestinians strife is escalating, which could lead to
real civil war. I think the Isrealis will see more peace
simply because they are now totally seperated from the
Palestinians and the Palestinians have now lost they main
methods of attack. The Isrealis can simply put up their wall
and say, "screw you Palestine." |
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