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| 2005/8/26 [Transportation/Airplane, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:39287 Activity:low 50%like:39369 |
8/25 Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
<DEAD>www.veganza.org<DEAD> -John
\_ I think you mean http://www.venganza.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
Also known as pastafarians.
\_ Unfortunately, there are way more than 17 pirates in the world
today.
\_ Half-life of C14 is 5730yrs? I thought it was 5400yrs.
\_ May all His followers find the right pirate outfits in the
closet, so that they can walk out of it and show the world our
real strength. RAmen.
\_ This starts out as a good "show how silly ID is" bit, but rapidly
devolves to stupidity. I think The Onion's "Intelligent Falling"
article is much better:
http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4133&n=2
\_ But FSM leads to good holiday names like Pastaover and Ramendan. |
| 2005/8/26 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:39288 Activity:nil |
8/25 The Governator isn't all bad, he's for solar power:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/million_solar_r.php
\_ A related article someone posted two months ago:
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/11790776.htm
\_ Go Governator! |
| 2005/8/26 [Uncategorized] UID:39289 Activity:nil |
8/25 |
| 2005/8/26 [Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:39290 Activity:nil |
8/25 What happened at San Leandro BART?
08-26) 09:15 PDT San Leandro (SF Chronicle) -- BART is experiencing major
delays this morning and the San Leandro station has been shut down after
a man was struck and killed by a train there. Today is the 26th... -ax |
| 2005/8/26-29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:39291 Activity:low |
8/26 Nice, John Bolton is already making a huge impact!
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_08_21.php#006347
\_ I'd just as easily believe Bolton were doing it with complete
support from the Administration.
\_ Uh.. duh. Bolton is Bush's guy, though, not the State
Department's. By all indications, State had been trying
to get the guy out of there. He fucks up everything he
touches. I think that's why Bush likes him. How else is
he gonna get his war with Iran?
\_ hey, isn't he supposed to be Condi's guy more than Dubya's?
wasn't condi throwing all this support in for Bolton?
\_ Not particularly. She basically said "Don't worry,
We'll babysit him if you confirm him"
\_ "John Bolton is eminently qualified for this job. And I'm
the one who talked to the president about having John do
this." -Sec State Rice, May 11 2005
\_ You didn't follow the confirmation process too closely,
huh?
\_ I probably followed it more closely than you:
In addition to saying they would keep him on a
leash, Rice also made that rather clear, emphatic
statement.
\_ Because Rice is a good trooper. The odor
of embarrassment about the guy is palpable.
\_ Let's put it this way: Between Cheney,
Rummy, and Rice (let's exclude Rove),
Rummy, and Rice (let's exclude Rove, please),
who do you think Dubya trusted most when it
came to checking himself before deciding to
invade Iraq?
came to deciding to invade Iraq?
\_ Apples to oranges. This quote from Rice
is for the unwashed masses (ie Congress).
Also, when has ever been apparent that
Bush checks himself?
\_ It's the first thing many people think
of (along the lines of: Rice is loyal
not dumb), and it's definitely
plausible, but so is my theory (true,
Rice is loyal, but she's more the
"dumb smart" person that Dubya trusts).
Rice is loyal, but she's also the
"smart" person that Dubya trusts).
Same goes with checking himself.
heh.
\_ He fucks everything up he touches? Is he Bush's clone?
\_ we don't have the troops for Iran.
we are nothing but a limp penis right now, and Bush knows it.
\- what is stephen krasner's role in this? |
| 2005/8/26-29 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:39292 Activity:nil |
8/26 AP Poll on Iraq war:
http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5580679.html
37% approval of war, 87% support of expression of dissent.
\_ Mission Accomplished! |
| 2005/8/26-27 [Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:39293 Activity:moderate |
8/26 What happened at San Leandro BART?
\_ 08-26) 09:15 PDT San Leandro (SF Chronicle) -- BART is experiencing major
delays this morning and the San Leandro station has been shut down after
a man was struck and killed by a train there. Today is the 26th... -ax
\_ A badly formated motd post caused some BART trains to run late
which resulted in stations that were more crowded than usual
with a few dozen people being pushed at the tracks by the
growing pressure of body mass.
\_ 08-26) 09:15 PDT San Leandro (SF Chronicle) -- BART is
experiencing major delays this morning and the San Leandro station
has been shut down after a man was struck and killed by a train
there. Today is the 26th... -ax
\_ Suicide or homicide?
\_ Two witnesses have said suicide.
\_ He deserves to die man! Doing this in rush hour and
tying up thousands of other people. He should have jumped
tying up thousands of other people. He could have jumped
the GG Bridge with much less impact instead.
\_ Deserves to die because he died? That's like saying
a lollipop ought to be sweet because it's, uhm, sweet.
Or that badgers deserve a fearsome reputation because
they are fearsome!!!1!
\_ No, he deserves to die because he needlessly tied up
thousands of people's lives by choice.
\_ Right -- ie, 'he deserves to die because he
needlessly tied up lives...by dying' He wouldn't
have held up traffic if he hadn't died.
\_ He doesnt deserve to die, but we should
at least throw these type of people in jail.
\_ or the 11:30pm train
\_ If you ever decide to commit suicide, please do not do it
this way. It is not painless way to die,not just because it
ties up the commute. |
| 2005/8/26-29 [Reference/Military] UID:39294 Activity:moderate |
8/26 Okay, I want to buy a gun. I don't need it, but just wanna get
one cause it's fun and cool, and it's one thing I can't do in
most other countries. I lean towards not allowing guns, but
on a personal basis, if it's legal, I feel like exercising my
right and freedom, and also it feels good to annoy mot.
what gun should I get? where can I get a basic gun safety
training? and where can I go shoot?
beretta? glock? s&w revolver? where do I buy them?
\_ Get 2 Desert Eagles in silver and don't look back
\_ If you're in the SF/BA, Target Master's in milpitas is an
excellent indoor shooting range with a great selection of
weapons that you can rent. Their staff is good and willing to
answer questions from novices. My suggestion is to go to a
range where you're comfortable, get your HSC, try out a
selection of weapons in different calibers, then make a
decision. I'd suggest Beretta (92/96), Smith Wesson 490*, HK
USP, or maybe Sig 22*. For a beginner, you might want to start
decision. I'd suggest Beretta (92/96), Smith Wesson 40[03|06|13],
HK USP, or maybe Sig 22*. For a beginner, you might want to start
with a revolver in .22 to get used to handling a firearm, then
granduate to a 9mm semi. Email me if you have questions. -mice
\_ If you're in the SF/BA, Target Master's in milpitas is an excellent
indoor shooting range with a great selection of weapons that you
can rent. Their staff is good and willing to answer questions from
novices. My suggestion is to go to a range where you're
comfortable, try out a selection of weapons in different calibers,
get your HSC, then make a decision. I'd suggest Beretta (92/96),
Smith Wesson 490*, HK USP, or maybe Sig 22*. For a beginner, you
might want to start with a revolver in .22 to get used to handling
a firearm, then granduate to a 9mm semi. Email me if you have
questions. -mice
\_ How about Sig Pro vs. Sig 22*?
\_ Target Masters seconded. http://www.thegunplace.com/range.htm
--erikred
\_ What is a S&W 490*?
\_ Smith and Wesson 4003 TSW, 4006 TSW, 4013 TSW -- typo on my
part. Corrected -- thanks! -mice
\_ Don't get a glock. -- ilyas
\_ So are you guys against all polymer frames or just Glocks? What
about a Sig Pro?
\_ Another thing about glocks I forgot to mention. They, uh ..
they tend to explode. See 'the glock ka-boom faq':
http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html -- ilyas
\_ Seconded. -John
\_ Thirded. Damn thing was too small for my hand. --erikred
\_ Fourthed, I guess. I loathed the pull - felt uneven. -mice
\_ Fifthed. Feels like a blocky piece of crap in my
hands. -geordan
\_ I've heard the "don't buy a glock" advice now from
quite a few people who know guns. So if people in the
know all hate them so much, why are they so successful?
Brilliant marketing? What?
\_ They are successful because Glocks have one advantage
-- they are _extremely_ reliable and resistant to
shocks, dirt, sand, water, etc. However, there are
plenty of guns that have comparable durability to
Glocks without all the, well, suck. -- ilyas
\_ The marketing helps too. I just hate the balance on
them--it doesn't feel like a gun. -John
\_ I thought a lot of the law enforcement use was
because of the safety. -geordan
\_ Glocks have a safety? -- ilyas
\_ They have a "trigger safety" and internal
safeties against non-triggered fire.
\_ Not a safety safety. I meant the "dropping
it on the ground" safety. Safeness. Fine,
I'll find a /. article to torture you with.
-geordan
\_ Glocks have almost no safety features. This
makes them very mechanically simple, much
less likely to misbehave in the hands of a
panicky or freaked out cop/soldier, and
very, VERY cheap. It is seen as a true
professional's gun in its stripped down
simplicity. This makes it somewhat less
safe for anyone other than really hardcore
gun people or professionals. That's the
theory, anyhow. *shrug* I still don't like
them very much. As a side note, no
modern semi-auto will (should) fire if
dropped, whether it's in the cocked state,
safetied, decocked, etc. IIRC, James
Bond's Walther PPK was actually notoriously
bad in this respect. -mice
\_ I am not sure I believe this. Lots of
cops shoot themselves in the foot
(literally!) with glocks every year.
It _is_ an excellent gun if you plan
to roam the jungles and fieldstrip it
often enough to appreciate how few parts
there are. -- ilyas
\_ Well, yeah. I know CCCSO considers
the glock an out-of-policy weapon for
exactly that reason. That's partly
why, I believe, it's viewed as a true
professional's weapon -- that if you
don't know what you're doing, you'll
shoot yourself in the foot, etc -- but
that's counterbalanced by the gun's
simplicity/reliability and its ease
of use right out of the holster, etc.
Personally, I think that reputation
speaks of a mentality which has more
to do with machismo and less to do
with pragmatism. I mean, as you
pointed out above, there's no reason
why you can't carry your Smith cocked
and hot...but I think that's a great
way to make an ass of yourself by
shooting your toe off with your own
service weapon. -mice
\_ So if I have small hands it's good?
\_ Maybe. Beretta also makes a 92/96 model with slimmer
grips (the Vertec). -mice
\_ Shooting on a regular basis can get pricy. Owning a gun just to
\_ Highly dependant on caliber, dude. .22 is cheap.
\_ People who shoot regularly often invest in reloading equipment.
This makes shooting significantly less expensive as a hobby.
As a bonus, you can become a powder/ballistics geek. -- ilyas
have a gun is kinda stupid. There are a few places to go for a
handgun safety class. Train and learn first before you start
popping off about gun makers and calibers. Where do you live?
\_ This post added nothing to the thread at all, aside from you
taking the opportunity to declare your semi-informed opinions.
\_ http://dmoz.org/Recreation/Guns/Education
My brother in law (a collector more into rifles than pistols)
says that the Chabot Gun Club is pretty decent. As the
previous poster reiterates, definitely get your HSC before
handling a gun -- it's the absolute minimum in terms of
safety the state of CA requires in order to own. More
advanced casses are highly recommended, though. You could
probably also call Target Master's for better pointers to
other gun clubs that offer classes. This all assumes that
you're in the BA, of course. If not, then you could probably
just call the local gun store (google/yahoo can help find one).
They usually somewhat connected as a community. -mice
says that the Chabot Gun Club is pretty decent. As was said
before, definitely get your HSC before handling a gun -- it's
the absolute minimum in terms of safety the state of CA
requires in order to own. More advanced casses are highly
My brother-in-law (a collector more into rifles than pistols)
says that the Chabot Gun Club is pretty decent. Yeah,
definitely get your HSC before handling a gun -- it's the
absolute minimum in terms of safety the state of CA requires
in order to own. More advanced casses are highly
in order to own. More advanced classes are highly
recommended, though. You could probably also call Target
Master's for better pointers to other gun clubs that offer
classes. This all assumes that you're in the BA, of course.
classes. This all assumes that you're in the SF/BA, of course.
If not, then you could probably just call the local gun store
(google/yahoo can help find one). They usually somewhat
connected as a community. -mice
(google/yahoo/YP can help find one). They're usually somewhat
connected as a community, and are likely to be knowledgable
and willing to help. -mice
\_ Depends on your ergonomics, and if you want a safety. Never
depend on a safety, but many jurisdictions like LA are getting
draconian about "safety features." Some guns have loaded chamber
indicators as well. Like with cars, the imports usually cost
more. But going to any indoor range in CA will never prepare
you for when you really have to use your gun. Get a shotgun
for that. Drop me a line for more. -jlee
\_ I really like my WWII vintage Remington/Colt .45 M1911. It feels
more like an heirloom than a soulless tool, and is a pleasure
to shoot. There was a _lot_ of discussion of "how-to" gun safety
and mechanics type of stuff on the motd about a year ago, look at
KAIS archive; a lot of people mentioned good tips about what to
look out for, where to go, etc. -John
\_ For most things I stick to dual berettas, but I usually
carry a desert eagle or dual ingrams to deal with tricky
situations. -mpayne
\_ I dunno, man. My glock has always served me well -- even in the
most extreme situations. -gfreeman
\_ Word on the street is that you do your best work with your
crowbar.
\_ Guns are for pussies -- I like SWORD! That's a personal
weapon. -lwang
\_ Do any motd people have Class III/Title II or whatever weapons?
Silencers, machineguns?
\_ I hear John has a tank.
\_ I didn't get the tank because I had myself declared psycho
in lieu of having to spend 15 weeks being told by farm boys
to do pushups. I did, however, acquire an arsenal from a
colleague under some weird circumstances recently, and a
friend in Germany has a bunch of machine guns and sniper
rifles and other scary shit. -John
\_ Don't have them, but just two weeks ago I was out visiting
relatives in Atlanta who are in the gun business, and got
to try a whole host of stuff that you can't get in the
good ol' People's Republic of California.
\_ That's the People's Democratic Republic of Kalifornia, fool
\_ Should be Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia
(DPRK).
\_ I hate the smell of motd humor in the evening.
\_ All hail Kimnold Jongilnegger!
\-Hasta La Vista, PSB
http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/LBL/Gubernator+Chu.jpg
\_ Don't forget to visit http://www.nra.org and sign up
\_ You might want to consider this gun:
http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1734 |
| 2005/8/26-29 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:39295 Activity:nil |
8/26 Everytime I go to Yahoo Odd News I see some German guy/gal doing
something crazy or stupid. What is it about the Germans?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050826/od_nm/germany_vandal_dc
\_ Adam Carolla (Loveline, Man Show) has a bit he calls "Germany
or Florida" where he talks about some stupid stunt and callers
have to guess where it happened. He points out that weird stuff
always seems to happen in Germany or Florida.
\_ or reported more often in .de or FL. If some of that
stuff happened say in SF, would anyone even blink an eye?
\_ Have you read any of Carl Hiaasen's fiction or Elmore
Leonard's? I think they often write about Florida (and both
live there) because batshit crazy makes for good fiction.
-- ulysses |
| 2005/8/26-29 [Reference/Tax, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:39296 Activity:low |
8/26 How many poeple here would find the following tax system to be
acceptable:
A flat income tax of 15 % is paid by everyone, *but* it's based on
your first job right out of college, and stays fixed even as your
income increases. So if you work at walmart for a year and then
go into investment banking, you're still taxed at the flat 15%
rate based on your walmart salary, while the guy who got the ibanking
job right out of college pays six times what you do in taxes.
Imagine also that everyone who moves into the state starts at the
rate of their first california job. Hence when an out of stater
takes a job, they might pay four times what their co-workers pay,
since the co-workers are paying based on happening to have a low
paying job 15 years ago when they graduated college in California.
Sound fair?
Or does it sound like a perverse nightmare that would fuck up the whole
labor market for the state and totally distort the tax base?
\_ I didn't think the current tax system could be any more broken
than it already is. I was wrong.
\_ I'm guessing this was intended as a Prop. 13 analogy.
\_ Yes. I wanted to see if any of the pro-prop 13 crowd would be
willing to defend the same system applied to fucking up the
labor market as they're using to fuck up the real estate market.
\_ Then get a real analogy. Yours is silly.
\_ Hm, I guess. It's a poor analogy since a job != a house. I
can get a crummy job for a day and then get a high paying one.
If I get a crummy house, I pay less property taxes. If I get an
expensive house, I pay more. The analogy falls over at step 1.
\_ It continues to be poor: changing income tax rates don't
screw over retired people on a fixed income.
\_ When I graduate, I'll make sure I tell Google or whomever to
postpone my start date by a month, so that I'll have time to take up
a job at Walmart for a few weeks.
\_ How do idiots like this get into Cal? Is it really that easy?
\_ broken analogy. When/if I buy a new home, I pay new taxes. |
| 2005/8/26-29 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:39297 Activity:nil |
8/26 Hawaii caps gas prices:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/hawaii_becomes.php
\_ Won't oil companies just sell the gas for Hawaii in other states?
\_ In other news, the Hawaii state legislature failed economics
101.
\_ The Hawaii state government has been failing remedial econ
for quite some time now.
\_ Damn I'm glad I no longer live there .. gas lines suck, just ask
your parents! |
| 2005/8/26-29 [Health/Men, Health/Skin] UID:39298 Activity:nil 80%like:39653 |
8/26 hey ilyas i have a link for you
http://fray.com/drugs/worm/post - danh
\_ Gee, I almost feel honored. -- ilyas |
| 2005/8/26-29 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:39299 Activity:nil 50%like:36690 |
8/26 RIDE P2P BIKE in France:
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,68576,00.html |
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