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2005/8/8-11 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:39035 Activity:nil
8/8     At least 80 wealthy liberals have pledged to contribute ...
        to compete with the potent conservative infrastructure built up
        over the past three decades.
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/rich_liberals_vow_to_fund_think_tanks
        That's weird, I only heard about the conservative build-up now.
        I didn't know they have been building up even before I was born.
        \_ "The goal of the alliance, according to organizers, is to foster
           the growth of liberal or left-leaning institutions equipped to take
           on prominent think tanks on the right, including the Heritage
           Foundation, the Hoover Institution, the American Enterprise
           Institute and the Cato Institute, as well as such training centers
           as the Leadership Institute and the Young America's Foundation.

           Almost all the alliance partners have been active donors of the
           Democratic Party and liberal interest groups. Many said they have
           concluded that their spending to date has lacked strategic
           coherence."
           Oh give me a fucking break.  The Cato Institute is conspiring with
           the neocons as part of a Vast Rightwing Strategic Vision to Reshape
           the World.  The fact that 'the Left' is finding itself 'without a
           voice' is somewhat ironic.  Aside from Murdoc's holdings, American
           mainstream media has a mostly moderate-left presentation to it.
           It's probably moved to the right a little since 2004. -- ilyas
           \_ The left already has a huge, well funded national level organ
              for getting the word out: the public school system and vast
              majority of universities.  The problem the DNC has isn't getting
              the message out, it is the message.  Or lack thereof.
           \_ I don't think you can call it a conspiracy when it is
              right out there in the open like that. -ausman
              \_ So the Cato institute is a ring-wing organization now?
              \_ So the Cato institute is a right-wing organization now?
                   -- ilyas
                 \_ When wasn't it? It has been funded by Scaife, The Olin
                    Foundation and the usual batch of large corporations
                    from the start. A bunch of their "scholars" move around
                    between them, the AEI and The Hoover Institute, though
                    I would call them big business conservatives, as opposed
                    to the holy roller type, myself. -ausman
2005/8/8 [Science, Computer/SW/Security] UID:39036 Activity:nil
8/7     I heard something about someone attempting to utilize NIS
        authentication on Sloda. What was the exact nature for this,
        was it to allow for a centralized system to manage users
        amongst the different computers within the CSUA? What is
        currently being utilized for this, and why was NIS chosen
        vs. a less obsolete technology like LDAP?
        \_ Why do you think somebody owes anonymous you an
           explanation?  Check the wall, motd logs.
2005/8/8 [Finance/Banking] UID:39037 Activity:nil
8/8     http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/08/opinion/08krugman.html
        "This is the way the bubble ends: not with a pop, but with a hiss."
        \_ I agree there's a certain amount of "irrational exuberance" in the
           housing market, but this opinion piece is nearly devoid of facts to
           back up the claim.  He barely mentions the slow down in purchases
           in San Diego and claims the savings rate has dropped to "zero" which
           is flat out impossible, meaning he's just being sloppy and alarmist.
           With the thousands of people on the net writing about housing, why
           choose this fluff piece written 10 minutes before deadline?
           \_ Are you sure it's flat out impossible that the savings rate has
              dropped to "zero"?  What quantifies as "nearly devoid of facts"
              to you?  Do you know what a "fluff piece" is?  Are you an
              undergrad?
              http://csua.org/u/cym (L.A. Times)
           \_ Why is a savings rate of less than zero impossible? It just means
              you are growing your debts more rapidly than your assets,
              correct?  Can someone provide the definition and explain why it
              is impossible ...
              \_ If even 1 person has savings, the rate can't be zero.  He
                 doesn't provide a single reference for anything.  Nearly
                 devoid of facts isn't quite right.  Completely devoid of
                 any references for the 1 or 2 fact-like statements would be
                 more correct but also pedantic and anal.  Are you pedantic
                 and anal?  Thanks.
                 \_ I've always thought pedantic and anal was slightly more
                    desirable than obtuse and uninformed
                    http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0803/p01s02-usec.html?s=yahw
                    \_ Thanks for the link.  That's better than the NYT opinion
                       piece could offer.  How sad that the motd can provide
                       better researched information than the NYT.  This
                       demonstrates my original complaint which is the article
                       is fluff written 10 minutes before deadline.  Why
                       couldn't Mr. Krugman have provided similar references?
                       \_ Um, because he assumes the reader does their research
                          as well?  Accusing Krugman of not doing his homework
                          won't get you very far.
                       \_ Are you an undergrad?
                \_ Uhhh ... There's a difference between saying the average
                   savings rate is less than zero and everyone's saving rate
                   is less than zero.  I would assume that most readers would
                   know that saying the savings rate is less than zero
                   means the average savings rate, just like when you say
                   Palestine, you probably don't mean Palestine, Texas.
2005/8/8 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:39038 Activity:moderate
8/8     any equivalent to arp on soda?
        what about tracert (dos)? thanks
        \_ Hrm, maybe, /usr/sbin/arp?
           and traceroute or mtr
                \_ sadly, typing arp didnt work, should we put
                   /usr/sbin/ path in .cshrc?
                   \_ No.  Do some research on why things in /usr/sbin aren't
                      in /usr/bin.  People are free to add it on their own.
                      \_ any urls for the clueless? google didn't turn
                         up anything for me :(
                         \_ Googling for "introduction to unix" without quotes
                            turned up approx 7,820,000 results for me.  Or you
                            can look for the Nemeth book.  -John
                            \_ i know how to use unix fairly well. i
                               just want to know why things in sbin
                               aren't in bin.
                           \_ funny thing is that arp/traceroute used to
                              be in /usr/etc/
                              \_ On freebsd?
                                \_ no. on SODA about 2 years ago
                                   \_ Seriously doubt it.  Maybe on the sequent
                                      but that's like 7 years ago now.
        \_ tom holub, you have my permission to flame this newbie.
2005/8/8 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:39039 Activity:nil
8/8     Hahaha
        "The real issue, of course, is that Novak has a long history of
        bullying and abusing lower-level employees, whom he terrorizes with his
        angry outbursts over such vital areas of newsgathering as how to pop
        his popcorn just so, or like when he reduced a former colleague of mine
        to tears when he asked here how many Jews her family had transported
        to the death camps (this woman was of German ancestry)."
        http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2005/08/oral_sadist_suf.php
        \_ Yeah, how many did her family transport? Damn Germans.   -jew #1!!
           \_ Not enough.
        \_ Why should we believe what "DC Media Girl" says?
           \_ Because she's Clara Frenk
              \_ http://www.outfoxed.org/FeaturedInterviewees.php#Frenk
                 (For those who, like me, still didn't know who she was)
              \_ Which doesn't mean squat to me.  Where has the claim been
                 corroborated, or is this merely another anonymous source?
                 \_ Oh for fuck's sake.  It's just gossip, illustrating a
                    general point that Novak is known amongst the DC press
                    corps as a total flaming asshole.
2005/8/8-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:39040 Activity:nil
8/8     Mozilla Foundation Announces Creation of Mozilla Corporation
        http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7085
2005/8/8-11 [Politics/Foreign/Canada, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:39041 Activity:nil
8/8     I'm going to Vancouver for two days. What did you guys do when
        you were there, and what did you like and didn't like?
        \_ I really liked the area around Mainland St. for restaurants and
           bars--check out Section(3) for good food.  The big park is nice,
           and the aquarium is kind of cool.  -John
        \_ Full nude strip bars serving alcohol with imported dancers.
           God Bless Canada.
                \_ Imported from where?
                   \_ All over (eastern Europe and Asia mostly). But they are
                      cracking down a bit.  See  http://csua.org/u/cyt (WS)
                      \_ According to this guy it's easier to get a
                         stripper visa than a nurse visa because
                         strippers are more in demand. Hooookay....
                         \_ This has been a pretty big problem. Immigration
                            now demands proof that you have been an active
                            exotic dancer before letting you in on a work visa.
                            That's easy next to proving to them that you're
                            a certified nurse. Plus there is the stigma of the
                            "bad job."
           \_ This is a joke right? My only images of Canada from media
              bombardment are their famous maple syrup and Canadian bacon.
              I haven't seen anything relating to strip bars or hooker or
              anything wonderful like that.
              \_ I forgot. Legal drinking age is 19 except for Alberta,
                 Manitoba and Quebec where it is 18.
                 \_ But they have shitty Canadian cigarettes.
2005/8/8 [Finance/Investment] UID:39042 Activity:kinda low
8/8     I was trying to short BIDU (Baidu) just now, and it says, "Currently
        no shares available for shorting".  Anyone has experience with these
        things?  Would it help if I call in to the broker?
        \_ Basically it means that not enough shares are held by other clients
           of your broker.  When you short you're generally borrowing shares
           from other clients.  If few shares of BIDU are held in your broker's
           other accounts, or those have already been shorted, you can't short
           it without causing an uncovered (naked) short.  Your broker *may*
           be able to borrow shares from another broker.
           \_ thanks, tried a few times to short starting from $146 all the way
              down to $130 but no luck.  calling scottrade up also didn't help.
              now it's $116.  oh well.
           \_ thanks, tried a few times to short starting from $146 all the
              way down to $130 but no luck.  calling scottrade up also didn't
              help. now it's $116.  oh well.
        \_ Buy options then
           \_ I think options are usually not available for stocks that just had
                its IPO.
           \_ I think options are usually not available for stocks that just
              had its IPO.
        \_ "Now the shares' meteoric rise have captured the attention of short
            sellers, who are wondering when it will be time for them to move
            in. Sources said the shares aren't yet available at Wall Street
            lending desks, but are expected to show up by mid-week after the
            initial purchases of the stock are settled."
            Answering my own question.  - op
2005/8/8-11 [Health/Disease/General] UID:39043 Activity:nil
8/8     http://peacehall.com/forum/pic/932.shtml
        Suicide bus bombing in China, reportedly by 42-year-old farmer with
        terminal lung cancer pissed off at lack of health services
        Warning:  Graphic images
        \_ So reading articles about this, many mentioned the "rising cost of
           health care" and how health care cost increases are outpacing
           salary increases.  This is true in the US too.  My question is: are
           health care costs rising faster than the quality of care provided?
           If so, why?  If not, is it just a case of our expectations of
           quality rising faster than what we can afford to spend?  --dbushong
2005/8/8 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:39044 Activity:nil
8/8     Iran resumes fuel cycle work
        http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0809/p02s01-wogi.html
2005/8/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:39045 Activity:moderate
8/8     jblack, nice try, but no cigar. Let me give you a hint. The type and
        the duration of your command has absolutely no bearing on whether
        they're detectable or not. I CAN SEE YOU! Surprise surprise! Take
        your trash elsewhere, or better yet, sign your name and we'll
        gladly leave your trash around.
        \_ Fuck you and die, you censoring shithead.  The *reason* I hate
           fascist fucks like jblack is that I don't want them to turn America
           into the kind of country where people can't post stuff freely on
           a public message board without it being deleted by some
           self-appointed thought police.  You suck.
           \_ ironic, isnt it?  or perhaps it isn't ironic at all.  *that*
              would be ironic.  ;-)
           \_ lafeable response. ha ha.
        \_ The joke here is that, of course, the above is anonymous trash.
           \_ Those who have the power determine what is trash and
              what is not. You sir, have no power on soda.
              \_ Huh, there's a power structure on soda?
                 Does r00t get all the ladies / himbos?
        \_ I have no idea why jblack is even bothering to try to hide his
           name.  AFAIK he's the only one here who reads freerepublic, so
           everyone knows it's him posting anyway.  On the other hand,
           from jblack's point of view, this censorship campaign has to be
           the best thing ever.  It's making 'liberals' look like
           hypocritical dickheads WAY more effectively than those
           freerepublic posts ever did.
           \_ There's one stupid person waging this pointless war.  It doesn't
              reflect on anyone other than that fucktard.
              \_ I find that to be typical. One person's posts often get
                 needlessly characterized as some sort of contingent. Just
                 like the anti-Arab frothing after 9/11.
           \_ I read freerepublic almost every day -moderate/liberal
              \_ Really?  Why?  I've never seen much there that couldn't
                 be found easier someplace else with less drivel.  Unless,
                 of course, you go becuase you think the drivel is funny.
                 \_ I knew a guy who lived in Lothlorien who used to get
                    incredibly stoned, pig out on vegan snacks, and troll
                    Freerepublic for hours at a time. --lye
                 \_ I got the http://peacehall.com link from there.
                    But yeah, mostly I look up "wedge" issues just to see how
                    freepers handle it.  It is true ... if there's one thing
                    I've learned, these folks are very black/white.  They get
                    confused by things like Roberts' pro-bono pro-gay work,
                    Peter Jennings dying, and Dubya pandering for the
                    Latino vote.
2005/8/8-11 [Uncategorized] UID:39046 Activity:nil
8/8     Help. How do you get rid of grape fruit stain on the shirt?
        \_ zout + wash with detergent.
2005/8/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:39047 Activity:nil
8/8     http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/08/pirro.clinton.ap
        Down with Pirro the Republican BITCH! Someone please publish
        The Truth About Pirro
        \_ Huh?
2005/8/8-11 [Recreation/Food] UID:39048 Activity:low
8/8     How much does your weight vary on any given day?
        \_ I don't have weight sensors in my shoes.
        \_ I eat about 5 pounds of meat a day, and I shit once a day.
           I drink about 1 gallon of liquid. So I'm guessing maybe 10 pounds?
        \_ I eat about 5 pounds of meat a day, and I shit once a week.
           I drink about 2 gallon of liquid. So I'm guessing maybe 16.5 pounds?
           I drink about 1 gallon of liquid. So I'm guessing maybe 10 pounds?
           \_ Yeah but if you eat like that 5 of those pounds aren't temporary.
        \_ About half a kilo or so (a pound, give or take)
        \_ About 3 lbs - though some of that could be due to the
           fact that I'm using an el cheapo target bathroom scale
           for weighing myself.
        \_ On a long bike ride, I'll lose 5-8 pounds.  -tom
           \_ Out of curiosity, what does "long" mean?
              \_ A few weeks ago I rode Mount Hamilton via Mines Road,
                 which came out to a little over 100 miles, and I was out
                 there for 10 hours.  I was about 6 pounds lighter, on a
                 not very hot day.  -tom
                 \_ I assume that you were rehydrating aggressively along the
                    way...?
                    \_ I drank 7-8 liters of fluids (mostly water).  -tom
2005/8/8-11 [Uncategorized] UID:39049 Activity:low
8/8     \_ No, not "whatever".  At least you (a)
           sign your posts, and (b) have some sort
           of contributory logic to your political
           argumentation (i.e. links and arguments
           that you post have _some_ intrinsic value
           as you seem to have put some thought into
           them instead of just spewing shit, even
           if it's usually wrongthink--for example,
           I find your generalizations about
           "liberals" to be disappointing and below
           what I would expect from you.)
           By my definition, "cretinous thugs" are
           rampant on the motd and wall, alongside
           a lot of other stuff.  -John
           \_ 'Wrongthink?'  Generalizing about liberals?  That's double plus
              ungood!  John, do me a favor.  Stop commenting on what I write.
              I could do without your condescending attempts to 'improve me.'
              As for your actual claim, I don't actually generalize about
              liberals as a whole except in jest.  You don't seem to understand
              me, or my sense of humor, or something like that.  Regarding
              \_ You're not funny.  Not offensive funny (I'm not easily
                 offended), just not funny.  Amuse me and I may stop
                 commenting on your posts.  -John
                 \_ Remember John, it is I who politely asked to be left alone
                    and it is you who refused.  Who is the cretinous thug
                    today? -- ilyas
                    \_ Why would I try to improve you?  You're perfect.  -John
              \- didnt we establish you didnt have a sense of humor in the
                 psb -> polpot thread?
                 \_ I asked you if you were serious TWICE, partha.  Fuck off.
                      -- ilyas
                    \_ You shouldn't call someone names unless you are
                       sure of that person's identity. In this case, someone
                       could have masqueraded as partha, but at any rate
                       he didn't sign his name.
                       \- ilyas lives in a baysian world --could be anybody
              jblack and FR, the man has as much right to post as you or
              anybody else.  I am not really impressed by FR, but what do I
              know, I don't even follow those links anymore.  The punitive
              personal campaigns that go on the motd piss me off a hell of
              a lot more than anything jblack posts. -- ilyas
              \_ Die Fahne hoch die Reihen fest geschlossen
                 S. A. marschiert mit ruhig festem Schritt
                 Kam'raden die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen
                 Marschier'n im Geist in unsern Reihen mit

                 Die Strasse frei den braunen Batallionen
                 Die Strasse frei dem Sturmabteilungsmann
                 Es schau'n auf's Hackenkreuz voll Hoffung schon Millionen
                 Der Tag fur Freiheit und fur Brot bricht an

                 Zum letzen Mal wird nun Appell geblasen
                 Zum Kampfe steh'n wir alle schon bereit
                 Bald flattern Hitler-fahnen Uber allen Strassen
                 Die Knechtschaft dauert nur mehr kurze Zeit

                 Die Fahne hoch die Reihen fest geschlossen
                 S. A. marschiert mit ruhig festem Schritt
                 Kam'raden die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen
                 Marschier'n im Geist in unsern Reihen mit
                                                -John
                 \_ The other thing of note, is I never have seen John campaign
                    nearly as tirelessly (or at all) regarding FR-like behavior
                    within the hallowed 'walls' of this machine, like one
                    aaron@csua's outbursts.  Fortunately aaron is gone.
                    The guy was the very definition of a 'cretinous thug,' with
                    his violent fantasies, yet I heard nothing from anybody
                    about him.  -- ilyas
                    \_ (oh good, heil cherman john guy is back, I was worried
                       about him.)  How exactly am I campaigning?  I don't
                       think I've commented on his posts except as an aside to
                       clearly stating that censoring someone, no matter how
                       obnoxious, is teh suck.  I really fail to see the
                       issue here.  -John
                    \_ You must have been blind then.  People bitched about
                       aaron's ranting all the time.
                       \_ So is the revisionist historian ilyas or this guy?
                          \_ Honestly, I don't remember anybody complaining
                             about aaron except myself, and I remember some
                             people defending him.  Of course I don't usually
                             read wall logs. -- ilyas
                             \_ Search for aaron on KAIS motd.  A lot of
                                people complained about/made fun of aaron.
                             \_ Why do you think the left soda? Lots of
                                people were making fun of him and tom pushed
                                him over the top on wall so he left in a
                                huff.
2005/8/8 [Uncategorized] UID:39050 Activity:high
8/8     The way liberals welcome freedom of speech, even for those who
        are against freedom of speech, reminds me of this childhood story
        where a close knit herbivore community finally opens up its
        gate to everyone, only to have the community destroyed by other
        carnivores.
        \_ which leads you to conclude ...?
           You know, you could easily replace "freedom of speech" with
           press, or religion, or dissent.
        \_ Will human suffer from the same fate when SETI finds E.T. and
           initialtes communication?
2005/8/8-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:39051 Activity:nil
8/8     Rumsfeld: "I'm increasing troop levels before I decrease them."
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050808/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/iraq_us_military
        \_ He didn't say that, although that's what's happening.
        \_ He didn't say that, although that's definitely the official plan.
           Increase will occur for the elections.
           Decrease will occur after, depending on conditions on the ground.
2005/8/8-9 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:39052 Activity:low
8/8     How do you make clear case behave simpler, like say CVS. My office
        is using it and it has way too many features and complications, but
        are not going to be switching to CVS anytime soon. We develop using
        Clearcase\ibm eclipse\MQ. -nesim
        \_ Uhm, shouldn't you be asking clearcase this question? You figure
           that the amount you're paying them per seat license you'd get
           answers to this sort of question.
           \_ clearly you haven't dealt with IBM "support".
              \_ Ugh.  Thanks for opening that wound again.  I hate those
                 fucking bastards.  -John
        \_ Use Base Clearcase or Clearcase LT instead of ClearCase UCM?
        \_ I haven't used CC in many years, but you used to be able to
           enable something called the "offline" module. This was like
           CVS in that you checked everything out and then you worked
           on it and when you were done you checked in your files. You
           didn't need to get all that vob/nfs crap running.
           As far as views, &c. go, you don't need to use any of those
           features if you don't want to.
           \_ Create a snapshot view instead of a dynamic view if you want to
              work off-line.
2005/8/8-11 [Science/GlobalWarming, Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Health/Women] UID:39053 Activity:nil
8/8     Anyone else going to Linux World Expo tomorrow? -jrleek
        \_ well, I don't know, are they gonna have beautiful women with
           bikini, kind of like what they have for Nascar or Indy-500 where
           georgeous women surround Linux PCs instead of race cars?
        \_ Will it be anything like this picture of E3?
           http://www.seanbaby.com/e32001/images/fatty.jpg
2005/8/8-11 [Consumer/CellPhone, Industry/Jobs, Industry/Startup] UID:39054 Activity:nil
8/9     Work with Anthony and Brian!  Again!  We have yet another position
        open, this time as a BREW developer doing pretty interesting cell
        phone applications/server side support for pretty interesting cell
        phone applications.  Startup in Emeryville with VC.  -aspo
2005/8/8-11 [Academia/GradSchool, Academia/UCLA, Industry/Jobs] UID:39055 Activity:nil
8/8     Any students actually read motd? The Yahoo! Login and Registration
        team is looking for a fresh college grad to write perl and
        shell scripts. This position is for fresh college grads only.
        If interested, send resumes to atom at yahoo-inc dot com
        \_ I'm a starving PhD student and I am desperate for money. How
           much do they pay and are they near UCLA? And how much referal
           money do you get, and would you like to split with me? I'll take
           33% of your referal.
2005/8/8-11 [Computer/SW/Database] UID:39056 Activity:nil
8/8     I'm looking for a good log analyzer.  My systems generate about a gig
        a week of sendmail logs.  I'd like something I can feed in the logs
        in bulk and then query them through either a gui or SQL (which I can
        put behind a cgi).  The point is to track emails in/out of the system
        so I can tell if particular emails based on from and/or to within a
        date range were successfully delivered and hopefully how long it took
        to deliver as well.  I have a budget sufficient to purchase something
        if necessary.  Any suggestions?  Thanks!
        \_ Doesn't do everything you want, but you could check out isoqlog
           --dbushong
        \_ Check out Sawmill.  If you want stats, munin is nice but also
           doesn't do all you're looking for.  -John
2005/8/8-11 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:39057 Activity:nil
8/8     Iran resumes fuel cycle work
        http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0809/p02s01-wogi.html
        My interpretation:
        (1) Iran has just successfully called the bluff of both the EU3 and
            the U.S., or,
        (2) The U.S. really does want to refer Iran to the Security Council,
            impose sanctions, and gear up for war in ~ 2-3 years.
        My solution had been to create a schedule whereby Iran /could/
        perform different stages of the fuel cycle until after some number of
        years they could do the whole thing, but hey, if we want to do (1)
        first that's fine by me, and if the U.S. wants to do (2), well ...
        I guess we'll find the troops to do it somehow.
        \_ They'll just draft CSUAers and conservative bloggers.
2005/8/8-11 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:39058 Activity:nil
8/8     Any tips on getting a bank, cell phone company, or utility to properly
        acknowledge a change of address?  With my recent move, both PG&E and
        Cingular fucked up the change.  In PG&E's case, they moved the
        location of the account (i.e., where the gas and electricity was
        being delivered), but not where the bill was being sent.  In Cingular's
        case, they just dropped the ball completely and failed to move the
        account at all.  In both cases I called specifically ahead of time to
        move the account.  Since the Post Office acknowledged my forwarding
        request, but never forwarded any of my mail, I never got any
        bills and got hit with all sorts of "surprise" disconnection notices
        recently.
        \_ You could try praying.
        \_ Cingular's customer service is so f*cked up. Best bet is to
           contact their customer service and get someone to give you their
           direct phone number for future inquiries. If you get a different
           person for each customer service inquiry, then just start praying.
        \_ I moved several times in the past.  Every time PG&E always sent the
           bills of the old and new accounts to my new address properly.  USPS
           forwarded most of my mail properly for a year or so.  Once a while a
           piece of mail slipped USPS's forwarding mechanism and went to the
           old addresse.
        \_ I had a serious snafu with PG&E that took 6 months to resolve.
           The short version is they couldn't keep track of what money was
           supposed to go toward a deposit and what was towards my bill.
           Even after you call them, the rate they actually fix things
           is much slower than the rate the computers send out "we're
           shutting off your electricity" notices, so I had to call a lot
           to confirm with someone "Yes, I see the notes here, the
           paperwork just hasn't gone through yet. Don't worry, we won't
           shut you off." I'd say call once a month until things are
           resolved, and when you call, just give them your account
           number so they can bring up your case history and catch up
           on the story. Thank goodness I don't have to deal with
           PG&E anymore. -bz
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