Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2005:August:06 Saturday <Friday, Sunday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2005/8/6-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:39024 Activity:high
8/6     DeLay: Round Up Illegal Immigrants,50
        \_ Look Justin, I don't know why you keep posting stuff from
           freerepublic, but it's getting pretty annoying. And if you
           want to deny it, you can't, because I clocked you editting
           files that match with contents on motd. Nice try hiding
           your identity, but you can't match our root power. Fuck off.
                   jblack Justin Black BG Sat 00:51 ( vi immigration )
                   jblack BG 55665 0:00.03 sec vi immigration
                   jblack BG 55665 0:00.01 sec cp immigration
                   \- what exactly are yoy unhappy about? i agree it seems
                      leem to mask the website but people are free to post
                      as often as they want, short of some kind of denial of
                      service level of churn and they are welcome to seek
                      anonymity just like you are free to post your evidence
                      "outing" him. how much trouble is it to not go to the
                      web site? isnt this sort of the "gay marriage in CA
                      ruins my boy-girl marriage in IA" type thinking?
                      sometimes closing your eyes is a reasonable answer.
                      i recommend seeking him out and deliver a beating
                      if you dont like him. --psb
                      if you dont like him.
                      \_ The number and persistence of the swiftboat trolls
                         during the election was borderline spam. -!pp
                         \_ Why hasn't jblack signed form 180?  What is he
              \_ What are you using your mighty root powers to prove that
                 jblack posted a freerepublic link?  We all know it was
                 him anyway, no one else here even seems to read
                 freerepublic.  Why don't you use your mightly powers to
                 find the guy who keeps replacing links with porn or the
                 guy who keeps signing other people's names to posts?
                 jblack is harmless.
           \_ jblack ttyBG Sat Aug  6 00:51 - 00:53  (00:01)
              Actually you don't need to use the root power (yet). Just
              look at the login log, if he logs in for less than 5 min,
              cross reference with the motd log, and you'll see a pattern.
              After getting caught using motdedit, he's been doing clever
              things to avoid detection, but everything can be traced, if you
              are willing to work a little bit harder. And if jblack starts
              spamming, by all means, use the force^H^H^H^H^Hroot. You have
              my endorsement.
              \_ The 'endorsement' of some random to abuse use root heap
                 abuse on a member because you disagree with their political
                 philosophy and want to silence them?  Yeah, great.  Thanks
                 for doing your part to make the world a better place.
                 \_ logical, soft spoken liberals like you is the reason why
                    the conservatives are winning. It's time we take a
                    more hardcore approach like the conservatives and fight
                    fire with fire. Freeper censors? So can we. Freeper
                    uses immature (and SUCCESSFUL) tactics? So can we.
                    We are at WAR with the conservatives, damnit and we
                    will use whatever arsenal we have.
                    \_ Uhm, no.  Get some perspective.  This is the motd.
                       You're "at WAR" (sheesh).  The guy posts a freeper
                       link with a 1 line comment a few times a week.  If
                       that sort of "hardcore approach" is too much for you,
                       I suggest you "fight fire with fire" and post a link
                       to the democraticunderground site with a 1 line
                       comment a few times a week.  That'll show that "we"
                       can use "immature (and SUCCESSFUL) tactics" as well!
                       Then at some point (after you've gotten some
                       perspective) you can explain how a few freeper links
                       is so threatening *and* "SUCCESSFUL" to the point that
                       you would have to do something *HIGHLY UNETHICAL* like
                       _abuse_ root privs.  All this entire thread tells me is
                       the CSUA seems to have too many people with root.  "We"
                       don't support abusing root on a CSUA machine in a weak
                       attempt to somehow advance *your* childish "WAR".  Get
                       some perspective.  The CSUA does not need a reputation
                       as the place where the kiddies are playing with root to
                       abuse each other.  That's a great way to kill the CSUA.
                    \_ I concur.  We are on the road to civil war, and it's
                       time to prepare for the fight.
                    \- defenders of the liberal faith who worry about some
                       doofus on the motd while the xtian fundamentalists
                       are keeping their eye on the ball is why "conservatives
                       are winning" (well that is not why, but it is a more
                       valid criticism than charges of being "soft" in the
                       context of the motd ... i fully support calling people
                       liars or incompetents etc rather than saying toning
                       down say public debates about the iraq war etc).
                       \_ So you support or don't support abusing root to
                          serve a highly questionable non-CSUA purpose?
                    \_ To paraphrase, conservatives are winning because
                       liberals are dumb. -- ilyas
                       \_ "Conservatives" aren't winning, idiots are winning.
                          It's hard to argue rationally with a cretinous thug,
                          no matter what your political persuasion is.  -John
                          \_ I think the only cretinous thugs in this exchange
                             are the root-abusing idiots.  jblack didn't do
                             anything wrong, he is just hated.  Anyways, I
                             support removing everyone not currently a student
                             from root@csua, like poster above. -- ilyas
                             \_ No, jblack's barrage of fr garbage is very much
                                "cretinous".  It's pointless, uninformative,
                                vitriolic shit in the form of teasing.  I don't
                                care what his viewpoints are.  Post something
                                that is not vitriolic shit and we'll talk.  As
                                for abusing root, well, yes.  -John
                                \_ The guy posts a few random links a week to
                                   a site run by the extreme right wing.  So
                                   what?  That's hardly a barrage and compared
                                   to the rest of the wall/motd is one of the
                                   least offensive posters here.  Abusing
                                   root privs is far more disturbing and
                                   disruptive than any amount of random posts
                                   of any sort by anyone.
                                \_ Whatever.  By this standard, the vast
                                   majority of the motd is like this, without
                                   any help from external sources.  By your
                                   definition, 'cretinous thugs' have won on
                                   the motd and wall long ago, or rather, I
                                   rarely if ever saw either place rise
                                   far above FR levels.  Honestly, have we been
                                   reading the same motd all this time? -- ilyas
                                   \_ No, not "whatever".  At least you (a)
                                      sign your posts, and (b) have some sort
                                      of contributory logic to your political
                                      argumentation (i.e. links and arguments
                                      that you post have _some_ intrinsic value
                                      as you seem to have put some thought into
                                      them instead of just spewing shit, even
                                      if it's usually wrongthink--for example,
                                      I find your generalizations about
                                      "liberals" to be disappointing and below
                                      what I would expect from you.)
                                      By my definition, "cretinous thugs" are
                                      rampant on the motd and wall, alongside
                                      a lot of other stuff.  -John
                                   \_ Ilyas, I hate to pull out an old cliche,
                                      but "pot, kettle, black."  You are one of
                                      the biggest shit-disturbers around.
                                      \_ Uh, in that case almost every motd
                                         poster is a shit-disturber.  I don't
                                         think I have ever trolled for the sake
                                         of trolling, believe it or not.
                                           -- ilyas
                       \- ^dumb^hedonists
                       \_ "Evil will always triumph over good, because good is
                           dumb." --Lord Dark Helmet
                    \_ "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of
                       liberty is no vice.  And let me remind you also that
                       moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
                       \_ So posting a few freeper links is going to harm
                          or even eliminate liberty in this country?  If
                          liberty were so fragile it would have no value.
                          Again: get perspective.
                       \- a lot of these conservatives are energized to
                          extremely curtail the liberty to vices such as
                          assmastery, while giving a pass to a moderate amount
                          of torture or invading a country on false pretenses.
                          \_ "nothing prepares the way for tyranny more than
                             the failure of public officials to keep the
                             streets safe from bullies and marauders".
                             \_ And from assmasters.  -John
                    \_ You're starting to sound like a communist revolutionary.
                       You also assign far too much importance to these tactics
                       and too little importance to the likability of actual
                       candidates. Kerry almost won, so did Gore, and I think
                       a lot of people would agree that, well, they both had
                       character/image "issues". They also had an unclear
                       platform, basically health care plans and "we're not
2005/8/6-8 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:39025 Activity:nil
8/6     Does anyone know whether booting from a Windows PEBuilder CD accesses
        the hard drive of the machine you're booting in any way, if you don't
        tell it to?  -John
        \_ What is a PEBuilder?
           \_ obGoogle
        \_ Well, it'll access it to enumerate the drives, but it shouldn't
           write anything.  You can boot from a PEBuilder CD with no HDD.
           \_ Cool, thanks.  I need to consider it for a fairly specific
              purpose (run XP without leaving any local traces, but with a
              fully bootable "normal" XP installation on the HDD.)  By the way,
              if you're interested, look at Bart's PE Builder for a free
              alternative.  -John
2005/8/6-8 [Uncategorized] UID:39026 Activity:low
8/6     "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
        the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
        being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
        for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
        --Hermann Goring, 18 April 1946
        \_ damn liberal weenies
        \_ Hey, it worked for FDR and JFK.
           \_ If you wouldn't take it from FDR and JFK, why would you take it
              from Rove's Pinnochio?
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