Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2005:August:02 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2005/8/2-4 [Recreation/Dating] UID:38923 Activity:moderate
8/2     Dear obliviously happily married for 9 years guy-- how's the sex life?
        What do you do about it?
        \_ Have sex! Be respectful, sensitive, honest, and adventurous.
        \_ Not as good since my wife has been gaining and losing pounds at the
           wrong spots.  -- some other guy
           \_ Here's a wacky question: Am I the only guy whose tastes are
              aging along with my body? I'm not saying I'm not attracted to
              an 18yo hard-body, but women my own age are simply much more
              \_ My tastes are aging, but not as fast as I am.
                 \_ Ditto. What's hard for most women is that after 45 or 50
                    they lose their ability to have babies and thus lose
                    sex appeal. That's a generalization, of course, but I
                    can't imagine being 65 and being physically attracted to
                    a 65 year old as much as I would be to a 35 year old.
                    However, looks aren't everything.
                    \_ Um, I think it's safe to say the loss of sex appeal has
                       nothing to do with the ability to have children.
                       Has the fact that in our culture sexual attraction is
                       completely conceptually divorced from having children
                       completely passed you by? -- ilyas
                       \_ I don't think that is always true under the surface.
                       \_ I don't think that is true under the surface.
                       \_ I don't think that is true under the surface. -foo
                          \_ Yeah, I really think it is.  What about beautiful,
                             but sterile women?  What about fertile ugly
                             women?  Have you ever been, you know, attracted
                             to someone?  Are you some special kind of
                             Christian or just stupid?  -- ilyas
                          \_ I think you are confusing a hidden common cause
                             (the breakdown of the body due to aging) with
                             directional causation. -- ilyas
                             \_ Well, this is a kind of subtle subject to
                                go on about on the motd. I'll just maintain
                                that I don't think the ideas are "completely
                                divorced". Obviously an animal wouldn't be
                                able to learn the concept of being sterile
                                on that level. However I think I saw some
                                study where if partners go without children
                                for too long then attraction is harmed. So
                                I wouldn't be surprised if there was a subtle
                                biological link. But there's also an
                                intellectual link in humans. Humans are able
                                to understand explicitly the "child bearing"
                                qualities of a woman, and nowadays can
                                understand the sterility thing too. I think
                                that sexual attraction or at least excitement
                                can definitely be affected by ideas related to
                                getting pregnant. I'll leave it at that. -foo
                                getting pregnant. I'll leave it at that.
                                Oh and I'm not a Christian. I don't give a shit
                                if you think I'm stupid. -foo
                             \_ The idea being that whether or not a beautiful
                                woman is sterile we are hardwired to want to
                                breed with her. I'm talking about primal urges,
                                not about 'attracted to someone'. We find
                                younger women sexier because they can give us
                                babies. I disagree that sexual attraction is
                                divorced from having children. The two are
                                tied together fundamentally, even now.
                                \_ Ok, I am afraid I stand by my assessment of
                                   your argument.  Animals and people cannot
                                   afford to be attracted to binary attributes.
                                   The reason is very simple, almost any adult
                                   animal is fertile.  Being attracted to
                                   fertility itself means the engine of
                                   natural selection cannot function.  Thus,
                                   animals are attracted to 'secondary
                                   characterics' that correlate with producing
                                   a lot of fertile offspring (the biological
                                   definition of fitness).  Notice that this
                                   definition has nothing to do with fertility
                                   of your mate per se.  Or rather, the
                                   fertility of your mate is the bare minimum
                                   that isn't even taken into account by the
                                   forces of attraction, because it is _assumed_.
                                   Are you a Christian?  Your argument smacks of
                                   the kind of vague feel-goodism you get from
                                   certain kinds of Christians who see God's plan
                                   in everything, without truly understanding
                                   what it might be. -- ilyas
                                   forces of attraction, because it is
                                   _assumed_. Are you a Christian?  Your
                                   argument smacks of the kind of vague
                                   feel-goodism you get from certain kinds of
                                   Christians who see God's plan in everything,
                                   without truly understanding what it might
                                   be. -- ilyas
                                   \_ Being attracted to fertility itself
                                      is the reason dirty old men like
                                      nubile young women. You can feel
                                      free to disagree, but this seems
                                      fundamental to me. There is no
                                      biological gain having sex with a
                                      female partner over 50.
                                      \_ Do you honestly not see the fundamental
                                         flaw in your logic? -- ilyas
                                         \_ No. Please point it out.
                                            \_ Your argument:  'Old men like
                                               nubile young women.  Nubile young
                                               women can have children.
                                               Therefore old men like fertility.'
                                               This is fallacious. -- ilyas
                                               \_ Your opinion. I don't
                                                  see any flaw in the
                                                  logic, though.
                                                  \_ Uh, wow.  Mr. Gerasimatos,
                                                     you are one amazing guy.
                                                       -- ilyas
                                                     \_ Thanks. Now prove to
                                                        me why line #3 *cannot*
                                                        follow from #1 and #2.
                                                        It's an observation,
                                                        not a mathematical
                                                        proof. Whether it is
                                                        fallacious or not is
                                                        only your opinion. You
                                                        are saying that #3 does
                                                        not necessarily follow
                                                        from #1 and #2, but
                                                        your statement that
                                                        #3 is thus fallacious
                                                        does not follow.
                                                     \_ Maybe you should
                                                        reread what the PP
                                                        originally said.  His
                                                        point seems far less
                                                        extremist than your
                                                        interpretation.  -mice
                                                        \_ No, mice, at this
                                                           point I am staggering
                                                           from the 'I see no
                                                           flaw' comment.
                                                           \_ Hmm.  Okay, up
                                                              to that point,
                                                              I think you're
                                                              a little off in
                                                              your read -- but
                                                              I'll concede that
                                                              the PP seems to
                                                              wander out into
                                                              the weeds after
                                                              that point. -mice
                                                              \_ For the record,
                                                                 I think pp is
                                                                 wrong in a
                                                                 wider sense as
                                                                 well, for
                                                                 reasons I
                                                                 stated.  Almost
                                                                 all animals are
                                                                 evolved well
                                                                 enough to be
                                                                 healthy and
                                                                 fertile as a
                                                                 norm.  Thus,
                                                                 the great
                                                                 game is
                                                                 centering around
                                                                 how well
                                                                 will work, not
                                                                 whether it will.
                                                                 whether it
                                                                   -- ilyas
                                                                 \_ I disagree.
                                                                    I think
                                                                    too. There
                                                                    is an age
                                                                    at which
                                                                    are too
                                                                    young or
                                                                    too old
                                                                    to be
                                                  \_ Old men like nubile
                                                     young women.  Nubile
                                                     young women can eat
                                                     prunes.  Therefore old
                                                     men like regular
                                                     bowels. -geordan
                                                     \_ Stop -- you're turning
                                                        me on!  Oh geordan,
                                                        you animal, do I have
                                                        an unexpected *back
                                                        door* delivery for
                                        \_ Depends how much you believe in the
                                           Selfish Gene.
                    \_ Stifler's mom.
                       \_ Exactly -- I don't find her attractive at all.
        \_ Great.  We've learned over the years how to pleasure each other
           more and more.  I know what makes her happy and she knows what makes
           me happy.  --9 years happily married
           \_ I haven't been married for so long, but I've found sex with long
              term girlfriends gets better.  Practice makes perfect.
           me happy.  --9 years and happily married
                \_ Sex is always better with the long term girlfriends when
                   you're married.
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:38929 Activity:nil
8/2     Can someone define "social justice" for me?
        \_ "Social Justice" is someone's idea of how things ought to be
           run.  Depending on that person, it could mean universal health
           care, or executions for all murderers.
        \_ A simple definition would be "A fair society" where 'fair' is a
           matter of debate, but it is more commonly used by Liberals to
           refer to helping some disadvantaged group.
2005/8/2-4 [Computer/HW/IO] UID:38930 Activity:nil
8/2     Apple debuts multi-button mouse:
        Will wonders never cease?
           Reviews on the mouse.
           "I've never seen a mouse with a clitoris before. Looks like it
            would be good digital stimulation practice for most men."
        \_ Hell froze over!
        \_ Wow!  What an innovation!  I wonder if the one who wrote the
           marketing text feels embarrassed.
           \_ Multiple buttons isn't the innovation: the lack of *buttons*
              is the innovation. It's like the clickwheel on the iPod.
              also it can be configured as single/multi depending on
              who logs in.
        \_ No wireless version.  Poo.
           \_ Yeah, and its not l4z3r powered like my 1337 logitech
              mouse either. I'm getting a dell!
2005/8/2 [Uncategorized] UID:38931 Activity:low
8/2     To the guy who replaced all the links with girl pics:  I like
        the girl pics, but I probably would have liked to see
        the original links too.  Next time, would you please
        just add your links instead of overwriting others?  --PeterM
        \_ I restored what I had. -jrleek
        \_ Thanks for all the links.  I just got a hard-on in my cube.
        \_ Thanks for all the links.  I just got a hard-on in my cube.  Amanda
           is the best!
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:38932 Activity:nil
8/2     Go Hillary Go!
        \_ Well, the article does lay down all the reasons for !Hillary
           pretty well.
        \_ I'd do her.
           \_ Yup, considering how hot she is.
           \_ All the chicks Bill sleeps with on the side are less hot than
              Hillary, maybe she's really bad in the sack.
2005/8/2-4 [Uncategorized] UID:38933 Activity:nil
8/2     Probably old news to some of you, but:
2005/8/2-4 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:38934 Activity:nil
8/2     Save CBGB's!
2005/8/2 [Uncategorized] UID:38935 Activity:low
8/2     Crosswalk button hacks. Anyone tried this? "Instant Walk." Three
        short clicks, followed by two long, one short, two long, and
        three short; turn any crosswalk signal from "don't walk" to "walk"
        \_ You do know that bbspot is a parody site, right?
           \_ If you hadn't posted your reply, I was literally minutes away
              from running around town like an idiot pushing sequences into
              crosswalk buttons.
           \_ Oh, darn :)
        \_ I guess by the time one finishes that sequence, it's time for the
           signal to change by itself anyway.
           \_ Well, you punch it in and nothing happens. So then you try
              it again, figuring you got the pauses wrong. And then again.
              And then the light changes so you tell everyone it works...
2005/8/2 [Uncategorized] UID:38936 Activity:nil
8/2     cfarivar@ocf: Spoilsport or journalist?
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:38937 Activity:nil
8/2     In Europe, ground floor is 0 instead of 1.
        \_ No, Ground floor is "ground floor".  Not "0"
        \_ The question is whether the "first floor" is 1 or 2.
        \_ Survery: Countries/regions where the floor above ground floor is:
           1st floor: Europe
           2nd floor: USA
                      Hong Kong
           \_ What makes people think this is regional? I have been in both
              types of buildings even in the same office complex.
              \_ The architect should be shot.
                 \_ Not the same building, but the same campus. I'm sure there
                    were different architects.
           \_ My apartment in Oakland (~1910 hotel) had G, 1, 2, 3
              \- the ground floor convention depends on whether the
                 bldg was designed by an analyst or a number theorist.
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:38938 Activity:nil
8/2     Best headline ever:
        \_ Seconded.
           \_ Thirded
        \_ How about this one:
           \_ Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
           \_ Yuck!
2005/8/2-4 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:38939 Activity:nil
8/2     How do you create an NDMP user/pass on a netapp?  The docs seem to
        tell me how to check a given user for a password but not set up a
        new user.  thanks.
        \_ Just use the admin/root user.
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:38940 Activity:nil
8/2     That's pretty funny.  Last week Iran said they would resume uranium
        enrichment.  Dubya called them on that.  Iran backed down.  Then
        we have reports yesterday of the National Intelligence Estimate saying
        the consensus is that Iran is 10 years away from a nuclear weapon -- at
        best.  Now Iran today says, fuggit, we're enriching.
        Diplomacy at work!
2005/8/2-4 [Finance, Finance/Investment] UID:38941 Activity:nil
8/2     This was an interesting read about an rich vs. poor riot in China.
        \_ Note to self: If surrounded by an angry mob, do not smirk and
           wave dismissively.
        \_ I hate to say this, but... I'm with the people. I don't agree
           with the senseless destruction of precious goods like Toyota
           sedans, but I think they really should have beat the shit out of
           Wu and his two body guards who act like mafias in the 40s.
        \_ herein lies the answer to the question "what's social justice [or
           lack thereof]" below.
        \_ Note how the rich dude and his two bodyguards got through completely
           unscathed (except for rich dude's car), while the computer-guy bike
           rider was left needing wires for his jaw and a nose job.
           The only person who lost out was the supermarket owner, who actually
           did the people a service having lived there 20 years.
           \_ If you're rich in China, you can get away with beating people.
              If you're rich in America, you can get away with murder.
              If you're rich in Mexico, you can do anything you want.
              It is good to be rich.
              \_ Not in a real communist country.  Check out what happened to
                 the rich in China in the 50s.  All rich guys were
                 automatically labeled "evil" and tortured.
                 \_ Well, most of the wealthy rich people escaped to HK
                    Taiwan or Phillipines so that they can continue using
                    their wealth and power to influence politics that
                    support their agendas.
2005/8/2-4 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:38942 Activity:kinda low
8/2     What happens when your pilot doesn't know how to land a plane
        correctly:  (Paris -> Toronto, 309 passengers, Airbus 340) (Yahoo! News slideshow)
        "Leah Walker, a radio reporter in Toronto, said she saw a third of the
        plane fall and that the rest became a fireball." ...
        Marx said he initially didn't think anything was wrong. But then,
        "The guy I was with piped up, 'You know, he's getting pretty close to
        the end.' Immediately afterward, right off he went."
        \_ Isn't the A340 supposed to be auto-everything?
        \_ Wheew.  Apparently no one died:
           \_ The pilot has killed himself:
           \_ The pilot has killed himself: --danh
              \_ Some of you guys have wierd senses of humor.
                 \_ I laughed.  Does that mean I'm demented?
              \_ Yermummy!
                \_ Whoever enjoys signing my name to the motd, I do
                        \- "Whomever" --psb
                   not add "--" to the beginning of my name, try
                   only 1 dash next time. - danh
              \- The time has come for:
                 \_ I don't get it, why was this posted?
                    \_ I dunno but it made me look up the real facts:
                       Oh and haha, I just noticed it's from "world socialist"
                       web site. Whatever. I guess this is better:
                       If anyone cares.

                        \_ CNN - complete waste of airwaves... they can't report
                            anything on happening in real-time.  -cnn_sufferer
                            anything on real, happening events.
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38943 Activity:nil
8/2     You gotta love the qualities of international news
        outlets.  For instance, Hong Kong's Standard on Bolton nomination:
2005/8/2 [Recreation/Media] UID:38944 Activity:high
8/2     Which came first.. the South Park episode about special olympics
        and steroids?  Or the Family Guy episode about special olympics
        and steroids?  Someone has got to pay.  Dammit, don't nuke this,
        I must know.
        \_ since Family Guy looks like Michael Moore, i'd have to
        say South Park came first
        \_ Family Guy episode first aired 12/20/2001.  Dunno for the South
           Park, but I would guess it was later.
        \_ Family Guy episode first aired 12/20/2001.  South Park was 3/24/04.
           Some day you will realize Parker and Stone for the hacks they've
           always been.  And you shall walk in the light eternal
           \_ While I don't disagree about South Park, I have to note the
              vast majority of Family Guy plots were ripped from the Simpsons.
              Except the Family Guy doesn't have the notion of a Halloween
              Except Family Guy doesn't have the notion of a Halloween
              special.  They are all like that.  -- ilyas
              \_ I think trying to evaluate shows like Family Guy or The
                 Simpsons based on "how original is the plot" is missing the
                 point. They both ironically poke fun at standard sitcoms
                 by recycling their plots, so pointing out that they have
                 similar plots doesn't mean the Simpsons is "being ripped
                 by recycling their plots, so just because they have similar
                 plots doesn't mean the Simpsons is being "ripped off".
              \_ Eh, if SP had stopped after a handful of seasons, they might
                 have managed to remain funny.
                 \_ Simpsons started making me sad when all the writers left for
                    Futurama. -- ilyas
        \_ I will answer your questiong with another question: "Which
           came first the chicken or the egg?"  I believe it is provable
           that this more general question implys your question.  CS170
           buffs are welcome to comlete said proof. -mrauser
           \_ This is such a stupid false dilemma.  Eggs evolved before
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:38945 Activity:nil
        From Fox News to the Internet, Rupert Murdoch is dominating
        media. Now, all your anti-Murdoch messages beyong to us.
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:38946 Activity:nil
8/2     Can we PLEASE get a petition of Douglas Adams fans together to name
        the 10th Planet "Rupert?" (yahoo! news)
        \_ Dear god, I hope your petition not only fails, but is subsequently
           taken out back and shot.  twice.
        \_ you mean 9th, amirite??
           \_ Someone didn't read Mostly Harmless.
              \_ Someone is going to be a pathetic geek all his life.
                 \_ There's an irony in calling someone a "pathetic geek" on
                    the CSUA motd, but it may very well be lost on you.
2005/8/2-4 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:38947 Activity:nil
8/2     New drug blocks HIV from entering cells
        "[T]the drug sticks to a protein called CCR5 that acts as an entrance
         into human cells for the AIDS virus. When the new drug becomes
         attached to the protein, it can prevent HIV from entering, and thus
         stop the virus from spreading."
        What does this protein do when it's not being used as a gateway?
                 \_ I don't get it, why was this posted?
                    \_ I'm curious to see what effect blocking this protein
                       would have on a human being. -op
        \_ [reply moved to correct thread]
2005/8/2-4 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:38948 Activity:nil
8/2     XP question.  The C function CreateThread() returns both a thread ID
        and a thread handle.  What's the difference between them?  Thx.
        \_ A thread handle lets you do stuff with the thread, like kill it
           (TerminateThread) or get its exit code (GetExitCodeThread).  A
           thread id is just a number, and all you can do with it is call
           OpenThread to get a thread handle.  Thread ids and thread handles
           are exactly analogous to filenames and file handles -- CreateThread
           is like a function that creates a new file, and returns both an
           open file handle and the name of the file.  Usually all you care
           about is the handle.  --mconst
           \_ Very helpful!  Thanks!
2005/8/2-4 [Science/Biology, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38949 Activity:high
8/2     Bush comes out in support of teaching "intelligent design": (yahoo! news)
        \_ "People might cite George Bush as proof that you can be
           totally impervious to the effects of Harvard and Yale
           \_ It's those damned C students!
        \_ 55% of Americans (including 47% of Kerry voters) believe "God
           created humans in present form".  27% believe "humans evolved, God
           guided the process".  A mere 13% believe "humans evolved, God did
           not guide process".  About 2/3 of Americans want creationism taught
           along with evolution.  "Intelligent design" is solidly in the
           mainstream of American thought.
           \_ It's safe to say that Bay Area is the opposite of mainstream.
              I'm not sure if this is anything to be proud of anymore.
              \_ We shouldn't be proud of teaching our students um, science in
                 science classes?
           \_ 95% of Americans don't know what "Intelligent Design" means.
           \_ Yes, I lent her my assault rifle?  Sorry, did I miss something?
           \_ Creationism IS taught alongside evolution, just not in the same
              \_ The ironic part is that most Protestant denominations,
                 the Catholic Church, and a fair chunk of Judaism have
                 accepted evolution as part of God's plan.
                 \_ What's amusing is that, when I was at a fairly religious
                    (protestant) jr. high school, the biology teacher, who was
                    an extremely religious man, made it clear that he felt it
                    was his duty that we were taught evolution even if he
                    himself believed otherwise (he never ever said this in the
                    context of a class, and even outside of class only when we
                    pressed him on the matter.)  We had to take religion
                    classes, but even then they made very sure to only present
                    creationism and its ilk as "something some people believe
                    in".  -John
                 \_ Wouldn't that make it "Intelligent Design"?
                    \_ No.  Intelligent Design is a creationist critique of
                       evolutionary theory.  It has nothing to do with
                       science, and everything to do with Biblical literalism.
                       \_ Huh, well, stick me in with the other 95% of
                          Americans I guess.  According to Wikipedia, I
                          was thinking of Theistic evolution.
                       \_ Um, ID is formulated as a scientific hypothesis, from
                          what I understand of it.  There was a long ass motd
                          what I understand of it.  There was a long motd
                          discussion about it a while ago, complete with tom
                          making an ass of himself and everything. -- ilyas
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:38950 Activity:nil
8/2       In 1998, Susan Cummings, heiress of the late billionaire arms
        dealer Sam Cummings, murdered Roberto Villegas at her 2.3 million
        dollar vacation home. She was proven to have shot him in the back,
        withdrew her self-defense claim, and was found be guilty of
        voluntary manslaughter. She was sentenced to 60 days in jail
        and a $2500 fine.
          In 2005, a rich Chinese lord had his 2 bodyguards beat up a
        peasant boy who now needs wires for his jaw and a nose job,
        was not guilty of anything and gets away clean.
          All hail great Capitalism! I guess China is catching up to
        our great nation.
        \_ Ooo Susan was born in Switzerland. Did you know her, John?
           \_ Yes, I lent her my assault rifle?  Sorry, did I miss something?
           In the same county a year before Cummings' trial, a cow killer
           was sentenced to 9 months in jail, woman who shoplifted got
           135 days, a car thief 5 years, a purse thief 15 months, and
           a man who fired into an empty dwelling got 2 years. Hmm...
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:38951 Activity:nil
        Palestinians fire on pissed off Israeli mob. Maybe it's time the
        Israelis start suicide bombing the Palestinians.
        \_ "Militant attacks against Israelis had dropped off after a February
           truce between Israel and the Palestinians. In recent weeks,
           however, as the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza approaches, militants
           have stepped up attacks to try to portray the Israeli pullout as a
           military victory for the Palestinians."
        \_ Why use suicide bombers, when you can just fire rockets from
           a helicopter? The whole story is actually rather amusing,
           in a morbid kind of way.
        \_ The whole story has a great morbid humour to it. Those two sides
           deserve each other.
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:38952 Activity:nil
8/2     French men can bike but they can't fly.
        \_ Do we call French airline passengers Freedom Fries now?
2005/8/2-4 [Consumer/Camera, Politics/Domestic/HateGroups] UID:38953 Activity:nil
8/2     Is Jessica Lynch hot? (Yahoo! News Photo)
        \_ White Trash extreme makeovers!
        \_ Something done to her face and hair for sure. Damn Hollywood.
2005/8/2-4 [Recreation/Humor] UID:38954 Activity:nil
8/2     Read them all, they are all pretty funny:
        \_ Man, my geek-fu is weak.  I don't get any of these.
2005/8/2-4 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:38959 Activity:nil
8/2     Here's one for you mr. short g00gle guy. The reasonable
        person uses google:
        \_ I'm not the short-google guy, but what does this have to do with
           google being priced high, low, or just right?
           \_ google is such an integral part of the world that its current
              valuation is probably TOO low.
2005/8/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38960 Activity:nil
8/2     Ok, all you Bush-haters, in case you haven't seen this clip:
2005/8/2-4 [Uncategorized] UID:38961 Activity:nil 50%like:38955
8/2     FTP back.  Quit yer complainin. - jvarga
        \_ Yeah!!!  Thank you thank you!!!
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