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2005/8/1-2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38902 Activity:kinda low
7/31    Btw, how are those charges against Rove coming along? I haven't been
        following the news lately.
        \_ Everything is speculation at this point, with no big revelations
           after the story about the Air Force One memo and so forth.  Either
           Fitzgerald and the Grand Jury are much better at controlling leaks
           than Kenneth Starr was, or there isn't much going on.
           \_ Reporters covering it say the former.
        \_ Bush bashers are failing. Democrats are fucked and Republicans
           are winning: http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/bushbashingfizzles
           are winning: http://lin.kz/?vprls
           are winning: http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/bushbashingfizzles
           \_ is US News a conservative news source?
           \_ Duhhh...
           \_ Strength through Purity! Purity through Faith!
              \_ Stupidity through Partisanship!
           \_ Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Partei!
           \_ Yeah, that 43% approval rating is just knockin' em dead!
              \_ Faith Based Politics. Actual results don't matter, just
                 faith in your leader.
        \_ Commodisation of news-- if Rove reports are not selling, move on.
           http://www.wcfia.harvard.edu/fellows/papers02-03/shaw.pdf
           http://lin.kz/?i3myr
           http://www.wcfia.harvard.edu/fellows/papers02-03/shaw.pdf
2005/8/1-2 [Uncategorized] UID:38903 Activity:nil
7/31    the new burger king commercials with fucking punk chickens
        is annoying enough that i never will darken their door in the future
        \_ I don't have a TV, can you please describe the commercial?
        \_ You're totally right. as if it wasn't shitty enough, it has
           to be a super long commercial, too.
2005/8/1-2 [Computer/Rants] UID:38904 Activity:kinda low
8/1     Another nice economist article on china, which among other things,
        provides some investment insights:
        http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=4221685
        "the entry into the world economy of China, India and the former
        Soviet Union has, in effect, doubled the global labour force ...
        The new entrants to the global economy brought with them little
        capital of economic value. So, with twice as many workers and little
        change in the size of the global capital stock, the ratio of global
        capital to labour has fallen by almost half in a matter of years:
        probably the biggest such shift in history. And, since this ratio
        determines the relative returns to labour and capital, it goes a long
        way to explain recent trends in wages and profits."
        \_ China has been making huge investments in capital. The former
           Soviet Union had a lot of capital. I don't think a shortage of
           capital is the problem. I think it has more to do with the ratio
           of consumers to producers. That is, those countries produce more
           than they consume. I'm speaking of course about the types of globally
           desirable products that bring in profits, like iPods, and not
           commodities like rice.
           \_ nah, china, russia and india doesn't have much capital.  that's
              why they all try to grab the fdi from the west, and japan,
              korea, taiwan.  china/india pop >> usa, but china/india cap <<
              usa.
              \_ It's not about population or about comparisons to the USA.
                 China has a large (and getting larger) manufacturing
                 capacity, perhaps even too much. If China had the
                 manufacturing capability of the US it would make things
                 worse, not better. I believe the problem to be (as I stated)
                 that China (and India for that matter) produces much more
                 than it consumes. If the domestic populations of those
                 nations consumed at a higher rate than they do now there
                 would be less product to export and more desire to import
                 high quality products. It's not a numbers game in terms of
                 ratio of workers to capital, especially since most of the
                 populations of these countries can't seriously be counted
                 as 'labor' by Western standards.
                 \_ why does it have a "larger [and growing] manufacturing
                    capacity"?  because capital rich west and developed
                    asia keeps pumping in capital to exploit the abundant
                    labor.
                    \_ I think maybe we are working with two different ideas
                       of capital. I am thinking capital in terms of
                       equipment, not in terms of dollars. The two are
                       related, in that dollars can procure capital, but
                       not identical. The West is investing in China, agreed.
                       However, I am not sure it is relevant where the dollars
                       are coming from. I would also replace 'abundant' with
                       'cheap'. There is no labor shortage even in the US. Why
                       is the labor so cheap? Because they are not consumers
                       in the way US labor is.
                       \_ yes, I am referring to dollars when I say capital.
                          there may or may not be a labor shortage in the US,
                          but wages are not growing even though companies
                          are doing well, which is the point of the article.
                          wages are not growing in the US because 3 book
                          keeping kindly grandmas who don't like to touch
                          computer can be replaced by one indian college
                          grad paid at 1/5 their salary.  big winner:
                          US capital holders, countries with lots of natural
                          resources; small winner: labor in
                          developing countries; big loser: labor in developed
                          countries.
                          \_ But *why* is the Indian grad willing to do a
                             grandma's job for 1/5 the salary? I would argue
                             it is only partly a supply/demand issue and has
                             more to do with standard of living. It's not
                             that capital is static and labor has increased.
                             The labor has always been there, right? For how
                             long will that Indian grad accept a 3rd World
                             lifestyle?
                             \_ Or for some kinds of labor it has to do
                                with being in countries where you can
                                get away with killing people who try to
                                organize unions.
        \_  Thanks for the link. I'll need to read it again and think a
            bit more about it, but it's definately an interesting article.
2005/8/1 [Uncategorized] UID:38905 Activity:nil
8/1     Has anyone in history ever escaped the Alcatraz prison?
2005/8/1-2 [Finance/Investment] UID:38906 Activity:low
8/1     I placed a limit order on eTrade to sell at $20.80, and later it was
        exercised at $20.85.  That's nice.  eTrade could have bought my shares
        at $20.80 and sold to the other party at $20.85, pocketing the $0.05.
        \_ Um, that's what traders do all the time.  That's one of the ways
           they make money.
           \_ So eTrade decides not to make money this way?
        \_ how do you know they didn't exercise it at $20.95 ?
           \_ No I don't, but the point is that they could have satisfied my
              order by giving me only $20.80 in exchange of my share.
                \_ nah, I don't think they can do that.  you can see the
                   bids and asks right?   however, etrade does (or at least
                   used to) play games with orders made before the market
                   opens.  they say datek doesn't do it, but datek is
                   now part of ameritrade, so I don't know if it's still
                   true.
        \_ I don't know about this, but I read that some brokers do the
           thing where if they see large number of buy orders for a stock
           placed during the off hours, they would place their own buy
           order first, and then send in the larger number of buy orders.
           same for sell orders (or they would buy after first sending in
           all the sell orders).
           all the sell orders).  that's why you should place your orders
           only during market hours, and try to avoid the first hour
           after market opens, and possibly also the half hour before
           market closes.
2005/8/1-3 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:38907 Activity:nil
8/1     Does anyone here participate in FightAIDS@Home?  I've been running it
        for about a year.  But its web page never changes except the timestamp,
        and my mail to support@fightaidsathome.org always bounces back.  Is the
        project real?
        \_ AIDS KILLS FAGS DEAD!!11!!!! --Fred Phelps
           \_ But it kills others too.
                \_ Collateral damage
                   \_ Heh.  When/if an effective HIV vaccine becomes available,
                      you can bet your bottom dollar the Christian Right will
                      opppose it.
                      \_ I have a hidden wish that all creationists who want
                         the state to teach it to children are struck by a
                         drug-resistent bacterial infection.
                         \_ It's God's will whether an antibiotic be found to
                            save the children.
                         \_ Why hidden?!
                      \_ I consider myself a Christian conservative and do not
                         oppose an HIV vaccine.  It could do wonders in Africa.
                         -emarkp
                         \_ But they only get AIDS when they commit adultery!
                            \_ Or get raped.  Go away troll. -emarkp
                               \_ Raped? That doesn't stop the abortion crowd.
                                  Anyway she was asking for it. Women should
                                  be completely covered outside and be
                                  accompanied by a male at all times. Go ahead
                                  and fight AIDS, it's merely the warning!
                                  \_ The trolls are really dumb today.  You
                                     must be more subtle in your baiting,
                                     Daniel-san.
                                  \_ You are aware that in Africa it's a widely
                                     held belief that having sex with a virgin
                                     will cure you of AIDS?  And that children
                                     are being raped because of this?
                                     \_ I take it back, I guess people ARE
                                        dense enough to fall for this
                                        trollbait. +1 for the troll.
2005/8/1-3 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:38908 Activity:nil
8/1     What's a reliable website that tells me approximately where an
        ip address is from?
        \_ whois -a will give you the ARIN registry entry.
        \_ use <DEAD>dnsstuff.com<DEAD> - danh
        \_ use http://lin.kz/?u4f1e - danh
        \_ use <DEAD>dnsstuff.com<DEAD> - danh
2005/8/1-2 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:38909 Activity:nil
8/01    And the JEWS are POISONING your BANANAS!
        http://csua.org/u/cvq
        But I guess it's a step up from learning to kill Jews at summer
        camp:
        http://csua.org/u/cvr
2005/8/1 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:38910 Activity:nil
8/1     Is eBay a gay friendly company? Their logo is so... gay.
        And whatever happened to Apple's gay friendly logo in the 80s?
2005/8/1 [Finance/Investment] UID:38911 Activity:nil
8/1     Tell me if this is legal and feasible. We all know about the
        housing boom and possible bubble. The bubble hasn't happened
        yet, but if it happens, it'll burn a lot of individual
        investors. Since it's a risky business, how about starting
        a corporation that borrows money from banks and from individual
        investors to buy up huge amount of properties, and maybe even
        buy sections of big cities? They can make huge profits by
        renting out properties or flipping them to other individual
        investors? If things go sour, the corporation shares the risks
        so no one gets burned badly, and worst case comes they can
        always declare bankruptcy. Is this legal? Possible? Can
        corporations buy blocks of land or buy cities and make huge
        profits since they have no competitors?
2005/8/1-2 [Uncategorized] UID:38912 Activity:nil
8/1     The healthy human flesh alternative.
        http://www.eathufu.com/home.asp
2005/8/1-3 [Consumer/Audio] UID:38913 Activity:nil
8/1     Bush Alba Corporation to make MP3 players for kids:
        http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000633052745
2005/8/1-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:38914 Activity:moderate
8/1     I'm surprised there has been no Bolton discussion yet.  Any bets on
        how China will react when our UN Ambassador is taken out in handcuffs
        for his part in the Plame matter?
        \_ Let me get this straight, if the Congress doesn't want to approve
           a nominee under any circumstances, the president can just say, "oh
           well, we'll just wait until those pesky lawmakers go home" and
           appoint him anyway?  Am I the only one whom this strikes as a
           bit, oh, I dunno, REALLY FUCKING DEFECTIVE?  -John
           \_ Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. -jrleek
              \_ Yeah, it's part of the legacy of the constant give-and-take
                 between Executive and Legislative branches; the correct
                 response of a responsible congress would be to block all
                 nominations made by the President until he withdraws Bolton
                 as Ambassador; this would send a clear message reminding the
                 President that he is, in fact, a President and not a King.
                 Odds of this happening? Zero to none.
                 \_ Because Bush is the first prez evar to use a recess
                    appointment.
                    \_ But he _is_ on target to use it the most.  Also, Clinton
                       did 140 or so.  Can you name any of them other than
                       the gay Ambassador to Luxembourg?  I can name a number
                       of Bush's..
                       \_ I remember Bill Lann Lee's appointment by Clinton.
                          Here's an old article on recess appointments
                          http://slate.msn.com/id/1002994 .  Interesting
                          recess appointments include Thurgood Marshall,
                          Earl Warren, William Brennan, and Potter Stewart.
                          \_ You mean you got this slate article on your
                             first google hit (rather than "remembering BLL").
                             If you had just said "Bill Lee" you wouldn't
                             sound so phony.
                             \_ Bill Lann Lee has always been referred to with
                                his full name.  I'd be the phony *if* I called
                                him "Bill Lee" (and, indeed, I probably would
                                not have remembered his name were he plain old
                                Bill Lee).  Try googling "Bill Lann Lee"
                                him "Bill Lee".  Try googling "Bill Lann Lee"
                                if you wish.  I take it you were unaware of
                                his confirmation drama.
                    \_ Comparing the ambassador to Luxemborg with the
                       ambassador to the UN really only demonstrates how silly
                       you are.
                       \_ Now, if only we can decide which post is the more
                          important...
                          \_ Burn. -- ilyas
        \_ There is no real evidence that Bolton has anything to do with
           the Plame investigation, just a lot of speculation.
           \_ Okay then, how 'bout when he's cuffed for perjuring himself
              in his confirmation hearing by saying he wasn't interviewed
              by Fitzgerald
              \_ No no no.  Perjury is ONLY bad when a D POTUS does it.
                 \_ And then only if it's about something that has zero
                    to do with running the country, say, hypothetically,
                    consensual oral sex between two adults.
                    \_ You know, people always make this remark.  But I think
                       it's fairly natural to think the POTUS, in some sense,
                       'represents America.'  In particular, the POTUS ought to
                       conform to American cultural norms, which involves
                       avoiding things like infidelity and borderline perjury.
                         -- ilyas
                       \_ See, this is where I'm always surprised at your
                          idealism, ilya.  I have never expected personal
                          perfection from a politician.  This remark does
                          color the validity of impeachment.  He did not
                          misuse the office to perform his bad act.  He did
                          it all on his own.  It tarnishes _his_ presidency,
                          but not _the_ presidency.  I agree with your choice
                          of "ought".  Yes, the president ought to behave,
                          but Clinton was wrongly impeached and rightly not
                          removed.
                          \_ I don't expect personal perfection from a
                             politician -- far from it.  But it is surprising
                             that the bar is set so low that those Bad Things
                             I mentioned 'get a pass' so to speak.  I mean does
                             it really take so much character to avoid
                             compulsively lying and sleeping around outside
                             your marriage? -- ilyas
                             \_ Who said to give him a pass?  A more
                                appropriate action would have been censure.
                                I bet they could even have worded it to get
                                it to pass unanimously.
                                \_ I don't understand.  Tarnishing 'his
                                   Presidency' deserves censure, but
                                   tarnishing 'the Presidency' deserves
                                   impeachment?  Are these things written down
                                   somewhere, or is this just your personal
                                   opinion on what should be done? -- ilyas
                                   \_ Of course it's just my opinion.
                                      \_ You know, there sure as heck was a lot
                                         of criticism of the EVIL REPUBLICAN
                                         WITCHHUNT at the time, and even now,
                                         for a matter that reduces, ultimately,
                                         to a matter of opinion.  Thanks for
                                         discussing this civilly, Ben.
                                           -- ilyas
        \_ Stop harassing that nice man from the oatmeal commercial!
           \_ Appoint Bolton as ambassador.  It's the right thing to do.
2005/8/1-3 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:38915 Activity:nil
8/1     The China thread below is interesting.  Why is it that neither of the
        major political parties seem to talk about globalization from any
        perspective?  This is probably the most important issue we face as
        a nation and a planet at the moment, yet nobody talks about it besides
        some nutty neo-Marxists.  It seems to me that the first political
        party that articulates an effective response to the uncertainty we
        are faced with will reap huge benefits...
        \_ Peak oil is actually the most important issue we face, followed
           closely by global warming.
           \_ I disagree. A substitute will be found for oil and there's
              nothing we can do about global warming, if it's even real. Terrorism
              is important, but fundamental. Globalism is something that
              affects us now and will affect us in the future. It is the
              nothing we can do about global warming, if it's even real.
              Terrorism is important, but fundamental. Globalism is something
              that affects us now and will affect us in the future. It is the
              largest looming threat to "the American way of life".
              \_ Yep.  Now again my question - why isn't anyone really
                 addressing this?  --op
              \_ This substitute for oil better show up real quick because
                 many predict global oil production peak within 5 years.
                 \_ People predict all kinds of things.
                 \_ there are many substitutes for oil already.  it's
                    just that it wasn't cost effective to use them
                    when oil price is low.  that's not to say I don't
                    support energy conversation.
        \_ The Democratic Party opposes NAFTA, CAFTA, etc, mostly because
           of union pressure. The Tancredo wing of the Republican Party
           is always griping about immigration. These are two facets of
           what are you calling "globalization." If you read The Economist,
           every other article is about globalization. But you are generally
           correct, both parties don't really want to talk about it, probably
           because it is too complicated to expliain in 10 second sound bites.
2005/8/1-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38916 Activity:nil
8/1     People keep talking about "BushCo" but is he actually a CFO
        or chairman of something? I'm not talking about Cheney/Halliburton
        but Bush/Some-other-real-company. ok thx.
        \_ Motd will not do your homework for you. But here's a hint.
           google for "ceo president"
           \_ Nope, no evidence of him running a Halliburton-like company,
              nothing of the scale or the threat. I only find info that
              he was a failing CEO at insignificant companies. No connection
              to Walmart or huge threatening corporations. This BushCo
              phrase is catchy but false. It should be updated on factcheck.
              \_ You're an idiot.  Motd is disappointed, but not surprised.
                 You will be forgiven if you can show you were in Jr. High
                 in 2000.
2005/8/1-3 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:38917 Activity:kinda low
8/1     Fuck you.  go speculate on real estate somewhere else.
        \_ To repost the original question... "Tell me if this is legal and
           feasible. We all know about the housing boom and possible bubble.
           The bubble hasn't happened yet, but if it happens, it'll burn a lot
           of individual investors. Since it's a risky business, how about
           starting a corporation that borrows money from banks and from
           individual investors to buy up huge amount of properties, and maybe
           even buy sections of big cities? They can make huge profits by
           renting out properties or flipping them to other individual
           investors? If things go sour, the corporation shares the risks
           so no one gets burned badly, and worst case comes they can
           always declare bankruptcy. Is this legal? Possible? Can
           corporations buy blocks of land or buy cities and make huge
           profits since they have no competitors?"
           \_ Why not just sell crack,  you worthless fuck?
              \_ You seem to have a lot of anger. What's wrong?
                 \_ I've had to move three times in three years because of
                    places that were bought out by real estate speculators
                    who drove all the tenants out.  In one case, a place I moved
                    out of three years ago is still vacant because the soulless
                    motherfucking cunt ass shits who bought the place are simply
                    sitting on it, presumably to sell later.  I know, I should
                    have just bought a place like everyone else, blah blah blah.
                    Well, I'm sorry I commited the crime of wanting to get
                    an education and delaying my entry into the workforce at the
                    time whenn all the bloodsuckers decided to fuck low income
                    renters with their little speculative shitfest.
                    \_ I'm sorry you hate the spirit of capitalism that makes
                       United States the best country in the world. If you
                             \_ We lived in my grandfather's basement until he
                                asked us to leave.  She couldn't find an
                                apartment.  She had some savings and used them
                                to buy a cheap house so we'd have a roof.
                                She didn't "owned her own successful business",
                                she took over my grandmother's failed business
                                and made it work again with 16-20 hour days
                                when said grandmother died and my father
                                divorced her and she had to move back to the
                                US.  She made it, I made it, and I know people
                                whose family had far more than we ever did who
                                got financial aid.  Enough of a sob story for
                                you?  Who are you to ask?  -JOhn
                       hate America so much, you should get the fuck out of
                       my country and move to Commie Europe.    !williamc
                       \_ Go fuck yourself.  I couldn't get a financial need
                          scholarship because my mom bought a cheap house with
                          all of her savings so we'd have a roof over our
                          heads while she spent 20 years resuscitating a
                          failed business (successfully) that she'd taken over,
                          only to have it triple in value.  You're not a
                          capitalist investor, you're a third-rate
                          opportunistic tick.  -John
                          \_ Your mom owned her own successful business
                             plus her house was paid for, yet you still
                             felt entitled to financial aid? Who are
                             you calling a tick???
                             \_ We lived in my grandfather's basement until he
                                asked us to leave.  She couldn't find an
                                apartment.  She had some savings and used them
                                to buy a cheap house so we'd have a roof.
                                She didn't "owned her own successful business",
                                she took over my grandmother's failed business
                                and made it work again with 16-20 hour days
                                when said grandmother died and my father
                                divorced her and she had to move back to the
                                US.  She made it, I made it, and I know people
                                whose family had far more than we ever did who
                                got financial aid.  Enough of a sob story for
                                you?  Who are you to ask?  -JOhn
                                you?  Who are you to ask?  -John
                             \_ Reading comprehension 101, padawan.  "Cheap
                                house" + "failed business" = "no $".  "Cheap
                                house" + "resuscitating a failed business" +
                                "real estate speculators" = "expensive house" +
                                "no $" + "people with far more but who didn't
                                grow up not believing in debt getting financial
                                aid".  Enough of a sob story?  I'm calling
                                you a tick, assuming you're the op.  -John
                 \_ This is the anger one feels when having to spend $600K
                    for some crap place that's still kind of far from work.
                    \_ ObIGotIntoTheMarketInTimeGloating.
                    \_ People are unlikely to change their investment habits
                       and it's a waste of energy to get angry, so how
                       you get your ass in an investment club and start
                       investing? If you don't have enough capital, there
                       are lots of time-shared flipping clubs you can join
                       these days. You can buy 1/4 of a house with 4 other
                       members and flip the house for 1/4 of the profit
                       (minus club fees), I've made a lot of money in the
                       past 2 years this way, and now have enough to flip
                       a few houses of my own. If I can do it, SO CAN YOU!
                       Don't wait! Do it while the market is still hot. All
                       indications show that sales of homes rose AGAIN in
                       June. Despite liberal naysayers yapping about the
                       bubble, the Bush economy is really working and
                       things are looking really good.
                       http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8758416
                        http://lin.kz/?mbl19
                        \_ Erhehehahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah
                           Didn't any of you LIVE through the late '90s?
        \_ To answer the original poster, it seems this is done with corporate
           space.  E.g., Arden Realty owns a whole bunch of class A office
           bldgs in SoCal.
           Big real estate companies owning lots of single-family homes is not
           as natural, since home buyers get a big tax break that frequently
           goes into the hundreds of thousands of dollars if they live in the
           house for two years, and if you're the big company, you don't get
           \_ Could you go into detail on this?  I'm not quite at the point of
              buying a house yet (esp. in this market), but considering it.  I
              wasn't aware that the savings were in the hundreds of thousands?
              \_ http://biz.yahoo.com/brn/050726/16039.html?.v=1
              \_ http://lin.kz/?40lym
              \_ http://biz.yahoo.com/brn/050726/16039.html?.v=1
           the tax break, so you're not as competitive.
           Persons or small/mid-size companies owning lots of apartment bldgs
           is more common.
           \_ True, rental real estate does not get the 250K/500K tax free
              treatment of residental real estate.  However, you do get to
              roll one rental unit over to the next rental unit and put
              off paying taxes on your profits.  I've always assumed that
              there are not companies owning and renting out many residential
              units because the business doesn't scale well.  And of course
              being a new landlord today is just awful for cash flow.
        \_ so let's come back to the original question. Can rental (apartment)
           companies as well as land-owning companies merge to form a single
           land owning mega corporation? Can companies own and run their own
           cities? Will the CEOs be like kings and the people who rent or
           \- like Disney?
           pay exorbitant city fees and association fees be like... peasants?
           \_ isn't that what a REIT is?
              \_ Yes. Also, look up Irvine Land Trust.
                 \_ There are also lots of real estate investor's groups doing
                    this. Someone forms a LLC and each investor puts up $x .
                    Usually it is for office buildings and the like, but
                    investors have been doing this for residences on a large
                    scale in places like Arizona, Florida, and Las Vegas.
           \_ I never understood this spectre of corporate feudalism that
              people are so afraid of.  The government is a much more dangerous
              entity as far as sliding back into feudalism is concerned.
                -- ilyas
              \_ Insofar as govt. is given broad central powers, sure. But in
                 terms of actual legal implementation of serfdom in the US,
                 look no further than Walmart.
              \_ You load sixteen tons and what do you get?
                 Another day older and deeper in debt.
                 Saint Peter don't you call me, 'cause I can't go....
                 I owe my soul to the Company store. -Kentucky folk song
                 I owe my soul to the Company store. -West Virginia folk song
                 \_ http://www.ernieford.com/Sixteen%20Tons.htm
                 \_ http://lin.kz/?fmdj3
                 \_  http://www.ernieford.com/Sixteen%20Tons.htm
                 \_ It is important to remember in discussions with ilyas that
                    he is a tax payer supported grad student.
                    \_ This is a similar red herring to saying tom holub or psb
                       is a college dropout.  -- ilyas
                       \_ I don't remember either of them espousing an extremist
                          ideology that equates dropping out of school with
                          evil.  If they had, it would certainly be relevant.
                          What if you found out one of our local religious
                          conservatives worked at an abortion clinic?  Would
                          that be a red herring?
                    \_ ilyas reminds me of those old shredded wheat
                       commercials.  "The whole grain libertarian in me says
                       'FUCK POOR PEOPLE!  POWER TO THE CORPORATION!', while
                       the frosted side of me in the real world loves the fact
                       that MEN WITH GUNS are forcing poor slobs like meyers
                       AT GUNPOINT to pay for my quality education!" -meyers
2005/8/1-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38918 Activity:low
8/2     "When the left attacks kids, you know it's in bad shape."
        http://tinyurl.com/9ldmy
        \_ A Fox News link!  Thank you sir, may I have another?
        \_ Here's the editorial that the above link is criticizing.
           http://csua.org/u/cvx (Washington Post)
           The FOX link is pretty dumb, but I have to admit, this
           editorial is pretty stupid too, and deserves criticism.
           \_ Do you know what makes an editorial, an editorial?
              \_ Stupidity and pettiness?
                 \_ Wrong and wrong.
           \_ The Wash Post editoritial is moronic.  Would they have been happy
              if the girl was dressed up as a little hooker and the
              boy as a gangsta?  Could we please concentrate on the abuses
              of power going on the administration and not the dress code
              of family members of nominees?
              \_ You people have no sense of humour.
        \_ At least they didn't call anyone The White House dog, like
           Limbaugh did back when Chelsea was in her awkward phase.
           Limbaugh did back when Chelsea was in her dog phase.
2005/8/1-2 [Uncategorized] UID:38919 Activity:nil
8/1     I take back (almost) everything I ever said bad about NYC.  The
        people are generally nice and well-dressed, the food is really good,
        you can always get cabs, and I haven't encountered anyone who tried
        to bite me or who eats babies yet.  Three thumbs up, it's expensive
        but a really cool place.  -John
        \_ Obviously, you never lived there for a long time. How long were
           you there? NYC, great to visit, not so great to live.
           \- in my experience something really changed there post-Guilliani
              \_ good or bad?
                 \_ It depends on your politics.
           \_ Good lord no, I thought that was pretty clear and obvious.  My
              friends here are paying $4200/mo. for a 2rm. apartment, along
              with people who pay others to walk their dogs and can't find
              parking, EVAR.  I was just commenting on how it was a nice place
              to visit.  -John
2005/8/1-4 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:38920 Activity:nil
8/1     Why Germans stink, literally:
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050801/od_nm/germany_fungus_dc
           \_ it's a glorious day for the gay community.
           \_ Looks like a Nazi Penis. Big, white, and stinks.
        \_ Heh.  http://a9.com/Phallus%20impudicus
           \_ it's a glorious day for the gay community.
           \_ Looks like a Nazi Penis. Big, white, and stinks.
2005/8/1-4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:38921 Activity:nil
8/1     http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050802/ap_on_re_us/lesbian_country_club
        Up yours emarkp, it's a glorious day for the gay community.
        \_ My anonymous troll is back!  And he's making less sense than ever.
           Hi anonymous troll! -emarkp
        \_ Somehow I kinda doubt emarkp wants it "up his."
           \_ You'd be surprised
              \_ Silly anonymous troll.  Homophobia is just fine here on motd,
                 glad you could join. -emarkp
        \_ Dang, the trolls just get lamer and lamer.
           [Oh, and please don't delete my responses if you leave your troll,
           Mr. Anonymous Troll.]
2005/8/1-4 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Display] UID:38922 Activity:nil
8/1     Somehow I've been delegated by my boss to buy a big plasma screen
        for the department, for about $2000. The size is not specified,
        but he says to get it as big as possible with good resolutions.
        What is a good deal nowadays?
        \_ Are you sure it was plasma and not LCD?  $2K may not be possible,
           or so cheep it defeats the purpose.  Anyway, according to the prices
           in the "Best-buy LCD and plasma ..." URL it might be possible:
           http://reviews.cnet.com/Televisions/2001-6475_7-0.html?tag=ont.tv
        \_ You can probably by a decent 32" LCD TV or a really crappy 40"
           plasma from a no-name brand.
        \_ With coupon passed out instore for 8/8 to 8/16, Costco is selling
           the Maxent 42" plasma for $1699.  Link to product, but not at
           Costco.
           http://www.monitoroutlet.com/M10551.html
           \_ That claims to display 1280x1024, but is that stretched to 16:9
              or does it remain 5:4?
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