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 2005/7/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:38544 Activity:low 7/11 link:tinyurl.com/8wbn2 (journalnow.com, Bloomberg News) The US gov will report this week that rising tax revenue is shrinking this year's budget deficit, possibly by as much as 90 billion, giving Bush a shot at fulfilling his deficit reduction promise 3 years early. Also, California's economy is improving: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050708/85505.html?.v=1 If things do indeed improve in the next few years, will you guys still say bad things about Bush? \_ He promised to cut it in HALF. $90 billion isn't close to half of$400 billion. For that matter, he CREATED the problem in the first place by being the first president EVER to push tax cuts in a time of war. So to answer your question: yes. A minor reduction in problems he created won't validate him for me. \_ Does your quoted $400 billion include the spending in Iraq/Afgh? The added debt during Bush's terms is in the ballpark of$2.1 trillion. There was a join study including the Heritage Found. that found that on our current track, the only thing the gvmt will be able to afford by 2040 is financing our debt. \_ I believe it was stated in the promise that the deficit will be halved by half by the END of his second term, not in the 2004/2005 fiscal year. \_ Does "halved by half" mean 25% reduction? \_ Wishful thinking aside, does 2004/2005 mean the end of W's 2nd term? \_ The only reason tax revenue is rising is because more and more people are getting hit with AMT problems. \_ Do you have data to back that up? \_ Racking up a gigantic deficit and then cutting *that* in half isn't quite that impressive, which is why promising to cut the deficit in half seems like a kind of vague goal. deficit in half seems like a king of vague achievement.
 2005/7/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:38545 Activity:nil 7/11 http://tinyurl.com/de4fu Check out reader's comments on The Truth about Hillary, and how people vote for "Was this useful? \_ Atticus' comments were the most poignant. \_ Boo Radley's comments were the most poignant.
 2005/7/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38546 Activity:nil 7/11 "If anyone in this administration was involved in [outing CIA covert agent Valeria Plame], they would no longer be in this administration." -Scott McClellan, 9-29-2003 \_ Surely you have a URL for this so that we can see the entire quote in context as well as the (very important) original text that's been replaced by the brackets? \_ Have you forgotten how to google? For chrissake... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html \_ No, I haven't. I'd like to see the anonymous poster realize his problems with fact. His [] is editorial, not a quote. \_ No freakin' shit. Of course it's fucking editorial. Are you suggesting it's misleading? Did _you_ read the "entire quote in context"? You're a fucking moron. \_ No it is not. The word in the actual quote was "it." How would paraphrase what "it" means in that context? I think they did a good job making it clear what "it" meant. You are just nit picking. \_ "leaking classified information". It doesn't appear that Rove "outed" her.
 2005/7/12-13 [Consumer/CellPhone, Finance/Shopping] UID:38547 Activity:nil 7/11 It was only 2 years ago when I had a $29.99/month wireless plan with 300 any time minute and unlimited incoming and night&wknd. My contract is up and I can't find a$29.99/month plan anymore. The cheapest I can find is $39.99 plus$7 tax, which jacks up the price to almost $50/month. Cell phones used to be cheap, what's going on??? \_ Last December I signed up for a T-mobile plan for two phones, five lines, everything free for one year after rebates. \_ Because cell phone companies know that after you have been hooked into having a cell phone, you can no longer live without out. At least your SO and friends will pressure you to always have one. That's why companies were willing to offer these money-losing plans. \_ Back then competition was hardcore and AT&T sold a lot of cheap contracts forcing others to follow. With buyouts, there isn't as much competition and those still in the biz have to make up the money lost making those before mentioned acquisitions. The best way to game the system now is to abuse the "friends and family" plans that allow unlimited time within their company .  2005/7/12-13 [Consumer/Camera, Reference/Military, Computer/Theory] UID:38548 Activity:nil 7/11 Just wanted to thank the person who posted about the PBS special Guns, Germs and Steel. Tonight's eps. (the 1st?) was pretty good. I'm not sure I completely agree w/ the premise that geography dictated "success", but I'm pretty sure I can go along w/ the fact that it predisposed certain people to create civilization and culture. \_ I can't believe I missed this book when I came out in 1999. I'm going to have to get it from the library after finals. BTW, he seems to have written another book last year called Collapse. Have you read that one? \_ I forgot to watch. The newest hardback edition of the book out now has a new chapter on the author's theory of the origin of the Japanese language and people. - danh \_ I can't believe I missed this book when I came out in 1999. I'm going to have to get it from the library after finals. BTW, he seems to have written another book last year called Collapse. Have you read that one? \_ I read the stuff at http://pbs.com, which seemed to contain the entire show content, and you can read it all in 5 minutes or whatever. I guess seeing the landscapes and people on camera would be fun. Oh well. \_ I watched it in HD and it looked great. \_ http://www.pbs.org not http://pbs.com.  2005/7/12-13 [Reference/RealEstate, Finance/Investment] UID:38549 Activity:low 7/11 http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/topten/earners.html Saratoga has the 7th highest median income in the US, trailing behind Great Falls VA, Darient CT, New Canaan CT, Wilton CT, and others. What the heck do people do in VA and CT that make them rich? \_ Pretty shocking that these are ahead of places like Beverly Hills. Anyway, the CT people work in NYC. The VA people rip off the government. \_ The residents of places like Beverly Hills and Brentwood probably don't have high incomes but instead high net worth. \_ Brentwood is not a city. BH's median income was$91K (2000). What you say is true, but you don't buy a $2M house by making$91K. The "slums of Beverly Hills" must drive down the median. \_ Also, many SoCal places (e.g. Manhattan Beach and Laguna Beach) have had a huge run-up in the last few years. Long time residents might not have the income of people who might be buying in now. \_ I went to Maggiano's once and overheard 3 real estate agents talking about how hot the market is, and one of them said his dream house is to buy this condo in Santa Monica, 1100 sq ft, is really close to 3rd Street and overlooks the beach. It starts at 1.5 million dollars. Then he said he sold one of them last week, and the other agent said "Jesus! What kind of people buy these places?" and he replied "Oh, she works for the Judge Judy production." \_ Only for cities with population over 14000, thus eliminating the truly posh towns. \_ The amusing list is the top 10 priciest homes. http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/topten/homes.html \_ What's so amusing about it? If you have money, anywhere is a good place to live. \_ It's amusing that 9 of 10 are in CA. \_ It'll more amusing when they go down by 20% of their value in 3 years. \_ Drat, so in 3 years I'll only be up 115% since I bought my house? \_ :-) \_ I piss in your general direction. \_ Actually, no. Some places are awful to live in, especially if you have money.
 2005/7/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/RealEstate] UID:38550 Activity:low 7/11 Top cities to live in the US. Northern Cal towns got mentioned a few times. Go Bay Area!!! Northern Cal >>> Southern Cal. We are the best! Go Mill Valley, Saratoga, Aptos, Benecia, and Petaluma. Proof that California >>> Rest of the US!!! http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/top100_1.html \_ I regard any list with Chino Hills on it with the utmost suspicion. As someone who lived in LA and SF, though, I think San Diego is the best place in CA. Nice weather, lots of single women, good quality of life, close to LA but not in it. Somewhere like La Jolla would rock. \_ Dude...they have COMPTON on that list!!! \_ I don't see it. What number? \_ Coronado is indeed BEAUTIFUL, but if the median household income is $72000 and the average home price is over 1 million dollars... then something's really screwy here. \_ Naperville, IL has a median household income of$96,000 and average home price of $311,000. Compare that to California where it is not unusual that average home prices are 10X the household income. Based on unaffordability, I failed to see why they even bother to put in CA cities. I guess it makes sense if you bought houses in the 80s or inherited land. \_ Wait until you see how big that house in Illinois is, too. It's probably 3x the size of the average house here. However, it is in Illinois. I wouldn't move there if you paid my mortgage for me. \_ nah, Naperville is not that cheap.$300K will likely get you a nice 1800 sq ft townhouse, but that's about it. A suburb of chicago, it's a pretty nice city, but not comparable to the bay area in terms weather, outdoors activities, places to go within 4 hours drive, and cosmopolitan demographics. activities, places to go, and cosmopolitan demographics. \_ 5 bedrooms, 2 baths $374K. 3/2$239K. $500K gets you a 3000+ square foot house. \_ yes, that sounds about right. How much is a decent 1800 sq ft townhouse in the Bay Area (say Fremont) these days? \_$500-700k \_ Sister's 2/2 in Walnut Creek is $595K. I saw a 3/1 1600 square foot SFR in Naperville for$200K. \_ but the SFR is likely old and crappy. \_ Sure, just like it would be here in CA but cost 3x as much. \_ don't worry, the price/rent ratio between naperville and bay area will eventually start converging, one way or another. A $200K townhouse in naperville rents for about$1300. \_ Yeah, but it will probably be home prices going up in Illinois. You still make more money over the long run by buying, even in California. There is a global savings glut right now, driving down yields, forcing investors into things like rental property.
 2005/7/12-13 [Computer/Blog] UID:38551 Activity:nil 7/11 The perils of blogging: http://csua.org/u/cog (Kevin Drum)
 2005/7/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38552 Activity:nil 7/11 "I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors." - George H.W. Bush - April 1999 \_ Yeah, but he was an Un-american traitor who raised taxes, so fuck him. \_ Did you ever read the Constitution? Who writes the laws? Who controls the money? It was George Mitchell who pushed Bush, sr to raise taxes. \_ Awww, poor widdle Georgie. Only the pwesident, getting beaten up by the Bad Bad Democrats. \_ You make me laugh with your silly non-sequiturs.
 2005/7/12-13 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/Security] UID:38553 Activity:low 7/13 Scotch will be coming down tonight. Expect disruption in CSUA service between 7pm and wheneverweactuallyfinish. We don't intend on bringing soda down for more than a few minutes to rotate it in the rack (so that it cooks evenly). Probability of list disruption will be high. Office accounts will be unavailable. Njh will be piss drunk. - jvarga / / July 12, 2005 Root is planning to swap out scotch.CSUA for a newer machine in the next few days as part of planned server upgrades. Scotch serves DNS, NIS for the office, mailing lists, and is soda's backup mail server. During the downtime, some or all of these services will be unavailable. The length of the outage depends on our luck, but we hope to have everything back available within a few hours with as little disruption as possible. Note that the soda motd will continue to be as troll-filled as usual. Additionally, the scotch replacement will bring in phase 1 of the new soda upgrade. We will be unifying soda logins and office logins (but not home directories), which means that I will be pulling the password database off of soda to serve as the master list for office logins. This means that if you have an office account, your office password will be the same as your soda password. If you did not have an office account before, this change will not grant you an office account. The exact date and time of this switchover will be announced soon. Please direct all questions/comments/concerns to root. jvarga
 2005/7/12-14 [Uncategorized] UID:38554 Activity:nil 7/12 Is there a site like rottentomatoes for music reviews? \_ Not the same at all, but I find http://www.allmusic.com helpful. \_ answering my own question: http://metacritic.com
 2005/7/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:38555 Activity:nil 72%like:38796 61%like:38598 57%like:38833 7/12 Read the official motd, you twinks. - jvarga \_ I refuse to read it further because it's not 80-column compliant!!! :-) \_ It doesn't even get close to trying to wrap in my 80-column terminal! Get your columns back! - jvarga
 2005/7/12-13 [Health/Disease/General, Science/Electric, Recreation/Music] UID:38556 Activity:nil 7/12 Bob Moog is seriously ill with a brain tumor: http://www.caringbridge.org/cb/inputSiteName.do?method=search&siteName=bobmoog If you don't know who he is, check: http://www.synthmuseum.com/moog
 2005/7/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38557 Activity:nil 7/12 "President Bush, at an Oval Office photo opportunity Tuesday, was asked directly whether he would fire Rove in keeping with a pledge in June, 2004, to dismiss any leakers in the case. The president did not respond." http://csua.org/u/cok \_ Re: The other day's press conference. Is there a way to learn who the reporters were that Scott McClellan was addressing (besides Richard, Dave, John, Dana, Terry and so on)? I'd like to know who they are, particularly the ones who were (gasp!) asking real questions and the guy who lobbed him non-questions. -- ulysses \_ Al Franken has a 2nd cousin, Bob, in the White House Press Corps who apparently caught McClellan as he was leaving and said "Scott, one more question.... Never mind, it's not worth it." Who'll bet that Scott is gone before Karl? --scotsman \_ Okay, the original .wmv I posted has what you want: http://www.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash/scotty_rove_71105.wmv Better quality QuickTime: http://www.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash/scotty_rove_71105.mov
 2005/7/12-14 [Finance/Banking, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:38558 Activity:nil 7/12 Is it just me or it seems the quality of entries in CDDB sucks lately? For example, I stick in a CD and the name of the song and artist would reverse, pop/classical/blues would get falsely categorized, and other things? \_ On a related note, is there a place I can look up ISRC album codes? All my Chinese p1r8 CDs from the Burmese flea market have them, but none of the "legit" gwailo ones do... -John them, but none of the "legit" gwailo ones do... -Joh
 2005/7/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38559 Activity:nil 7/12 Story describing verbal exchange during yesterday's WH press conference, including listing reporters' identities: http://csua.org/u/coo (Post) "McClellan is indeed well liked by the press corps. But that counts for little now, when recent events have shown that he either misled reporters deliberately or was duped by his White House colleagues."
 2005/7/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:38560 Activity:nil 7/12 Illegal immigration brings yummy TB! http://csua.org/u/con
 2005/7/12 [Computer/SW/Languages/JavaScript, Computer/SW/Languages/Functional] UID:38561 Activity:nil 7/12 HAHAHAHA... In Javascript, null == undefined is true. However, Number(null) != Number(undefined) Number(null) is 0 Number(undefined) is NaN HAHAHAHAHAH \_ Now is that across all Javascript implementations? Or is this one of those happy joy joy non-standard windows things? \_ This is ECMA spec. Below poster is correct about ===. \_ Programming language equality is rarely the same thing as mathematical equality. This is actually a fairly complex issue (seeing how lisp treats something is a good way to tell -- lisp has 4 or 5 different notions of equality). -- ilyas \_ All equality is equal, but some are more equal than others! \_ This is more accurate than you might think. In particular, null === undefined is false in Javascript. -gm \_ String(null) is also different from String(undefined). So?
 2005/7/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:38562 Activity:low 7/12 People caught with their pants down, literally! NOT WORK SAFE http://csua.org/u/com \_ Are cars in China more roomy than the ones here? \_ The people are just smaller \_ The people are just smaller 
 2005/7/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/HateGroups, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:38563 Activity:nil 7/12 CPB ombudsmen report back on NPR bias: thumbs-up http://csua.org/u/cos (wash post)
 2005/7/12 [Transportation/Car] UID:38564 Activity:low 7/12 Was there a reason why I-280 turned into a giant parking lot this morning or did people just decide to be extra stupid today? \_ don't stomp on other people's posts \- it is the Governator's Learn to Drive Day \_ I880 northbound near Union City / Hayward was more packed this morning than usual too. \_ Blame the lookylous at southbound I880. I knew it was bad when I had to make room for two fire engines to pass by. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/07/12/BAcrash12.DTL http://tinyurl.com/8kgyv (sfgate.com)
 2005/7/12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38565 Activity:nil 7/12 So is it too early to talk about what the appropriate punishment for Karl Rove would be? Do they still hang traitors in wartime? I sure would love to see that fat bastard dancing at the end of a rope. How about you jblack, you seem to be a patriotic guy. What do you think an appropriate punishment for Rove would be?
 2005/7/12 [Uncategorized] UID:38566 Activity:nil 7/12 You Karl Rove haters are racist. -peterm \_ Very funny. --PeterM
 2005/7/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:38567 Activity:high 7/12 Today's White House press briefing http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/07/20050712-4.html "Let's let the investigation take place, and let's let the investigators bring all the facts together and draw the conclusions that they draw, and then we will know the facts at that point." Translation: Dubya buys time for Roveian general to execute on GOP plans, with expectation that Rove will come out fine anyway since the base doesn't really care. In case you didn't figure it out yet: Dubya's current and future position is he will only be firing people for illegal acts with convictions, not for merely being "involved" in the Plame affair as a previously reported position. \_ I call flip-flop on them! \_ From http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html (My quotes are going to be partial for emphasis. See the page above for the full context.) Q: has the President tried to find out who outed the CIA agent? ... McClellan: if someone leaked classified information of this nature.. ... McClellan: the President believes leaking classified information is a very serious matter It's fairly clear that McClellan was saying that anoyone in the WH who leaked classified info would be gone. It doesn't appear that Rove did that. \_ Why would you say that it doesn't appear that Rove didn't leak \_ Why would you say that it doesn't appear that Rove leaked classified info? \_ Because saying "You know the reason he got that job is because his wife is in the CIA" may not have revealed classified info. \_ But that isn't what he said. He said his wife was a CIA operative. Pretty clear cut what that means. \_ Because the CIA is in the habit of calling for investigations by the DoJ just because... \_ that sounds like a leak of classified info to me. I guess it depends on what the meanings of "leak" and "classified" are. "I did not leak classified info to that man, Mr. Cooper!" \_ Is being in the employ of the CIA classified? \_ When it is, yes. You're deliberately being obtuse. \_ huh? \_ When the person's affiliation needs to be secret, it's classified. You're an idiot. The CIA requested an independent investigation. It's been ongoing for 2 years. if there was no there there don't you think it would have been wrapped up with a bow by now. \_ I'm not being obtuse, you're being a dumbass. We'll find out at the END of the investigation if he violated the law. If he did, he should be out of there. If he didn't, shut the fuck up. \_ Yawn. The man's guilty. This is just what he's been caught at. I say hang 'im. \_ The END of the investigation... in 2010? 2020? \_ Uh, I hate to be a nancy about this, but you should write, "If he did, I should shut the fuck up. If he didn't, you should shut the fuck up." Are you an undergrad? \_ Actually, no. I'm no lefty partisan, but I also don't want someone who would leak classified info in the WH. So if he's found to be guilty, I'll join the chorus demanding that he be fired. \_...but until then, Shut the Fuck Up? \_ Yeah, let's all stfu until the investigation is over. \_ Can't we complain about the previous pronouncements that Rove had nothing to do with the Plame affair, and that it was ridiculous to suggest that? \_ He never said he had nothing to do with it. Just that it was a ridiculous suggestion. Maybe he means the whole situation is worthy of ridicule.
 2005/7/12 [Uncategorized] UID:38568 Activity:nil 7/12 diff Anarchism Libertarianism
 2005/7/12-14 [Finance/Banking, Finance/Investment] UID:38569 Activity:nil 7/12 I ran out of money market checks from Etrade and reordered them online. I was surprised that it's free, but they only gave me 5 at a time. Anyways, the new checks do NOT come in checkbooks, but in a long piece of paper. Is that normal? \_ I got the same treatment. In fact, I didn't even realize that was the checks I ordered, so I told them I didn't receive the checks and they sent me one book worth for free. Oh well. I only need one per month, and it's easy to reorder on-line, so it's not that big of an issue.
 2005/7/12-14 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:38570 Activity:nil 7/12 Now for something that has nothing to do with Sith Lord Rove: http://tinyurl.com/aaa4a (news.yahoo.com) EU Anti-trust regulators raided Intel's European offices.
 2005/7/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38571 Activity:low 7/12 What's up with the freeper going nutzoid today? \_ today and every day. I think the fear of Rove being outed has driven him over the edge. \_ It's not only Rove, it's whoever fed the info to Rove, since \_ It's not only Rove, it's whomever fed the info to Rove, since there's no reason Rove would know it on his own. -tom \_ There will be others. If you can't beat him, destroy him should be your motto. \_ You know that strange feeling you are having? It is called cognitive dissonance. I know it sucks to find out that your Republican heros are scoundrels, just like all the other politicians, but that is just the way it is. The sooner you admit it to yourself the better off you will be. \_ Only those who died for their country are heros. \_ The idea is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his. \_ "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." --Patton
 2005/7/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38572 Activity:nil 7/12 Rove is here to stay and Bush expresses confidence. There is only room for one party in the United States and if you don't like it shut your mouth. You liberals lost, get over it. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050712/pl_nm/bush_leak_dc \_ you're the one deleting replies to your threads, hiding url's, and generally being a baby. \_ 'The key questions went unanswered by the White House for a second straight day. So far this week, McClellan has told reporters 23 times that he would not comment because of the "ongoing investigation."' \_ ahem. deleting replies again, I see. GROW UP. \_ "...only room for one party..." Hmm, where have I heard that line before? Is that Mao or Lenin? \_ Godwin to thread! \_ Christ, you're embarrassing me. How can you call yourself a tech geek and not know what Godwin's Law is???
 2005/7/12-14 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38573 Activity:nil 7/12 Firefox 1.0.5 is out: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.0.5.html So is OS X 10.4.2: Delta (10.4.1 to 10.4.2): http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1042.html Combo (10.4.[0-1] to 10.4.2): http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1042combo.html
 2005/7/12-14 [ERROR, uid:38574, category id '18005#2.34375' has no name! , ] UID:38574 Activity:nil 7/12 CNN Anchor: "Definitely a major smear campaign going on against Karl Rove." HAHHAHA http://www.cjrdaily.org/archives/001672.asp
 2005/7/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:38575 Activity:nil 7/12 London Bombing: Further Proof We're Winning http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=15626 \_ I wanna see you people tell the British that we're "fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here"... \_ Maybe if the Brits arrested people who openly called for the overthrow of their own government they wouldn't have been bombed. Here's a nutty idea: fighting them there doesn't matter if we're inviting them over here. \_ This is even dumber than the Freeper links you keep posting. It is all one ad hominem rant vs. Senator Kennedy. Where do you find these pearls of Conservative "wisdom"?
 2005/7/12-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38576 Activity:nil 7/12 What You Don't Know About Guantanamo Bay And What the MSM Won't Tell You: http://tinyurl.com/ajkk7 (freeper link) \_ The silence is a bit deafening about the three senators who visited gitmo and said it's run very well. \_ Spin spin spin little Freeper. I notice you still haven't commented on your favorite traitor Rove.
 2005/7/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38577 Activity:nil 7/12 The Democrats Fight Against Democracy and the Constitution: http://tinyurl.com/7gghk (freeper link) \_ *sniff* I don't know whether to spew because of the content of the post or because our own little freeper troll has finally figured out how to use tinyurl. \_ Proof that not all Conservatives are as stupid as the ones you meet in Fresno.
 2005/7/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38578 Activity:nil 7/12 Still think there's no connection between Hussein and Bin Laden? Think again! http://tinyurl.com/ckl7g (freeper) \_ "I would characterize it as sort of an on again, off again relationship. I mean, I don't think these guys were buddies by any stretch of the imagination, but they viewed each other as something that could be exploited." That's it? You are crowing about that? Pathetic.
 2005/7/12-14 [Consumer/Audio] UID:38579 Activity:nil 7/12 Looking to upgrade the headphones i use for my ipod. Currently I am using SONY MDR-NC5. Willing to spend <$150 Thanks \_ Shure e3c \_ I looked at those too, but the Amazon review where the guy went to the emergency room with a plastic pieced lodged deep in his ear canal scared me. \_ I've never had any issues or heard of anything like this. \_ Shure.  2005/7/12 [Uncategorized] UID:38580 Activity:low 7/12 Is it me or are there alot more cops on 101/280 these days? Is it ticket quota time or is this a response to London ? \- maybe our governator cut funding to the police department again  2005/7/12-14 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:38581 Activity:moderate 7/12 This discussion of Sith Lord Rove bores me, so I will query the motd environmentalists again. Assuming your worst fears about global warming were true, and you had the license to applications of power to fix the situation, what would you do? -- ilyas \_ I blame global warming on capitalism, a system that over-uses and over-produces goods, plunders precious gifts that our mother nature gave us just for the selfish goal of pleasure. Hence to combat global warming, I would first seize power and turn the entire Earth to communism. Then I'll stop productions on unnecessary consumer goods and get rid of home ownership so that the government can issue nearby housing to reduce traffic. I'll also require everyone to take classes that expose them to the pleasure of being in-tune with mother nature and to share resources with the community. I'll offer free birth control to slow down population growth. I'll offer FREE education to everyone, a system based solely on meritocracy (no more Ivy League style admissions). I'll setup a national R&D center that researches renewable resources. Doing all of the above will reduce usage of massive raw materials that were once needed in capitalism, but no longer needed in our new communism. Doing so will raise the quality of living especially those in 3rd world countries, but will surely piss off overly spoiled Americans with whom I'll appease with "Soma" pills. \_ off the top of my head, I'd venture the following policy changes: - Stop subsidizing oil in all forms: exploration, processing, research, etc. This should have the effect of raising the gas tax affecting supply & demand, as well as affecting all oil consuming industries. - For non-oil based global warming pollution, I would implement something similar: (a) eliminate gov't tax breaks, subsidies, (b) if that's not enough to dampen emissions, enforce some sort of emissions protocol similar to kyoto, or perhaps stronger: something that forces corporations to pay for the real-cost of polluting, making it an incentive for them to find ways not to pollute. - Invest a heavy sum:$10-50 billion dollars into alternative energy R&D firms: eg. fuel cells, solar, wind, nuclear fusion, ... - Establish & fund a dept. within EPA concerned with global warming, and enable it to fund grants studying causes of global warming, and possible solutions. This latter is critical, as we need more science about causes and solutions. - Establish some sort of budgetary allotment for future years to invest in gov't implementation of the previous two items. - Engage the U.N. and other countries on emissions treaties like Kyoto, and push for stricter treaties that encompass all nations, developing or not. Perhaps meet with developed economies to find some sort of economic fund to incentivize developing economies. I don't think we're going to reverse global warming without some serious pains. The economy will suffer setbacks. The first two items above will cripple certain industries, but the survivors will be much stronger companies. The implementation of the first two may have to be phased in over a short period, to avoid an "imminent" crippling blow. Even if they weren't, the industries would survive: (cf. 9/11 & airlines). I need to think more about what to do about other countries. -nivra other countries. \_ The point I am trying to make here is lowering the temperature a very small fraction \epsilon costs big money (many billions of dollars). I think treaties like Kyoto are mostly stupid for this reason. I think a much more reasonable approach would be to have 'commons rent' for both corporations and individuals, and funnel the money into R&D that directly fights the threat. -- ilyas \_ Yes, but there's a time horizon issue. Any R&D into research that does what you say (eg. directly remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere), and then implementation of said research solutions has a fairly long time-line. There may be a critical tipping point, and reducing current emissions, altho more costly, helps the situation immediately. As an aside, why would you introduce a "commons rent," rather than a a direct fee assessed to polluters? Isn't the latter more libertarian? -nivra libertarian? \_ I take a 'commons rent' to mean a general mechanism by which a fee is assessed from any entity that uses a 'commons,' proportional to the use of said commons, and which is used for maintaining that commons and repairing 'use damage.' I am not sure how that differs from what you are proposing. I am not using standard terminology, as far as I know 'commons rent' is a term I made up. It is true that things like Kyoto help things _now_, but that's about the only saving grace they have. I frankly think they do more harm than good, regardless of what the whole story on global warming is. -- ilyas \_ I take a 'commons rent' to mean a general mechanism by which a fee is assessed from any entity that uses a 'commons,' proportional to the use of said commons, and which is used for maintaining that commons and repairing 'use damage.' I am not sure how that differs from what you are proposing. I am not using standard terminology, as far as I know 'commons rent' is a term I made up. It is true that things like Kyoto help things _now_, but that's about the only saving grace they have. I frankly think they do more harm than good, regardless of what the whole story on global warming is. -- ilyas \_ "proportional to use?" or "proportional to abuse?" Also, your response fails to address the time horizon issue. Also, I'm not that sure that "proportional to abuse" won't be so different from what I proposed above. Removing tax breaks and trying to implement some sort of "real-cost" accountability program for polluters is similar. Anytime you implement real-cost solutions, industry will be hit, and this will help supply & dem. to limit current emissions. -nivra \_ I think the general commons problem is too complex to treat here. My intuition is that 'abuse' should not be treated by economic means. If someone hoses the commons so much that NOBODY can get any use out of it, it doesn't seem like assessing rent is the commons so much that NOBODY can get any use out of it, it doesn't seem like assessing rent is the appropriate response. At any rate, leaving those issues aside, you can get a lot of use out of 'commons rent' for reasonable use. 'Abusing' the environment would be like setting off nukes for profit. At this point you start putting people in prison. -- ilyas \_ fine. But the current situation has "abuse." Certain corporations are polluting greenhouse gases to a proportion way more than other corporations and invididuals. corporations and invididuals. -nivra \_ So there is a line between 'use' and 'abuse.' For me, 'abuse' is when you hose things so much it interferes with others using the commons. I take it you want to other countries. libertarian? I am not using a standard terminology, as far as I know 'commons rent' is a term I made up. -- ilyas I take it your perception of the dividing line has something to do with your intuition you have to charge more than proportional rent from 'big users,' per the usual liberal has something to do with your intuition you have to charge more than proportional rent from 'big users,' per the usual liberal progressiveness. -- ilyas \_ no. proportional is entirely fair. The key is how you calculate it. Truly proportional commons rent would be a fantastic idea. The major environmental problems we have today are due to exploitation of public resources by a few individuals/corporations who are not paying anything close to "proportional" costs for the public resources they utilize. Some (not me, b/c I haven't looked into it enough) may argue that current emissions have already crossed the line from "use" into "abuse." The earth has a sustainable level of greenhouse gases it can support in the atmosphere above and beyond what would naturally be present if no human emissions occurred. However, enormous levels of emissions beyond this sustainable level has "hosed things so much" that everyone has to curb back emissions in order to avoid hosing the earth as we know it. -nivra \_ We're all bored of you too, ilyas. \_ Raise gasoline tax rate to 100%. \_ Unleash my gasoline-eating nano-bots in the oil-wells. \_ Sacrifice a half-wit libertarian to the earth goddess. \_ seclude myself in an island paradise with a bevy of maidservants to meditate upon the solution \_ I'd split the US into two. The Union and the Confederate. All the Confederates can do what they've always wanted, like making abortion illegal, repeal ALL firearms control for unlimited rights to use use and carry assault rifles/grenades/artillery units, putting gays and lesbians into re-education internment camps, give extra tax incentives for the expansion of our new government (Walmart), legalize shooting and killing immigrants, and most importantly, legalize incest. The Union on the other hand should do what they've always wanted, like raising tax back to ~60% like the pre-Reagan social-communist era, legalizing gay marriage & marijuana, and encouraging sodomy on public media. \_ I'd split the US into 2 and put all the dumbass stereotype spitting morons like you on an island and the rest of us could get on with life. \_ As President of the United States, I would say that the scientific consensus is that a significant proportion of the warming of the earth in the last 100 years is from humanity's emission of greenhouse gases. I would say that a small minority of established scientists believes that this is not true. As such, I would like to work with developed and developing countries toward creating a progressive but fair energy policy, mindful of both the current situation and future predictions of who will be contributing the most to global warming. mindful of both current and future predictions of who will be contributing to global warming. This is in contrast to Dubya's position in which he puts the small minority ahead of the scientific consensus. [Yeah, I'm setting tone, not really spelling out a plan, but isn't that what Dubya does?] \_ I would lie and dissemble and try to twist the facts to the point that the public was paralyzed into inaction. Then I would hope and pray I died before the problem really came to light and pass it on to the next generation for them to fix with their superior technology. Hey, I should get me a job with the White House! \_ Wow ilyas. You have superior troll fu. I salute you! \_ Terra-form mars - we need to get off this planet quick. I'd increase funding for fusion and matter-antimater research b/c we need Zefram Cochrane to invent warp drive and save humanity. \- the "if you were king" phrasing is sort of silly. what makes the difficult are the structural issues that make coordination/ cooperation hard. i would make pol pot type arbitrary cooperation difficult. i would make pol pot type arbitrary decisions about what rights to give to people. \_ I wouldn't. Enlightened dictatorship is a dangerous fantasy. The 'if you were king' is a meaningful question about what one would want in an ideal situation. This gives me information \_ I hope you weren't serious about that last part. -- ilyas \- i sort of am. if i became king of the earth, on a bad day i'd probably be more like saloth sar/pol pot than say the sultan of brunei or stalin or your avg african kleptocrat. \_ Yeah, terraforming mars would be so much easier than cleaning up Earth. \_ How lame. So you are going to pattern yourself after a butcher. Good for you, Mr. Kantian. Anyways, this is probably why !psb is a perennial candidate. -- ilyas \- well i am distinguishing between various butchers. my point was i would probably put various people to death for "decadence". actually i would have then tomented via "symbolic restribution" and then maybe put them to death. \_ If you are distinguishing between various butchers you, once again, are missing the point. By your own description, the only thing stopping you from monstrosity is the threat of violence. In other words, you are immoral. -- ilyas \- i am not defending this as moral but if i were king, i would put many decadent cockroachs to death and torment. \_ Go you... \_ I would use the Swift Sword of Death. -geordan
 2005/7/12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:38582 Activity:nil 7/12 If you are going to delete all replies to your Freeper links, I am going to delete your links.
 2005/7/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:38584 Activity:high 7/12 This isn't a Democrat vs. Republican issue. This is a we've-gone- through-a-wormhole-into-a-nightmare-alternative-universe -where-Greg Stillson-from-THE DEAD ZONE-got-elected-president-and- the-sound-of-demon-trumpets-are-cracking-the-horizon kinda thing. Republicans. I don't have any bad feelings for you as individuals or even as a group. The fact is, this time you guys fucked up. You backed the wrong horse, and we're going over the cliff. There's no harm, no foul, in throwing up your hands and saying, "Whoops!" Didn't we kinda do that when we nominated losers like Mondale and Dukakis? I promise we won't rub it in your faces about Bush in the future. It was a fuck-up, and we all make them. Hey, four years of Kerry and you guys'll probably find some dude who can actually speak in public, isn't a dry drunk, and doesn't believe in angels the way Oprah, Melanie Griffith and Anne Heche all do. \_ Amazing. You just don't get it. Oh well, 60 senate seats aren't far away. \_ Fortunately I have duel citizenship, so I can get the fuck out \_ Fortunately I have dual citizenship, so I can get the fuck out once we live in a theocracy. I love America but I wouldn't love a Christian Iran run by the American Taliban. \_ Duel Citizenship? Is that like some PvP-oriented MMORPG I haven't played yet? \_ It means you can become a full citizen if you successfully kill an existing citizen in a duel. \_ Sweet! Sounds like an old Schwarzenegger movie. \_ No, Dune. \_ Uh, no. \_ What is your other citizenship? \_ Then leave now. The "I know better than you" attitude is something that we really don't need. \_ What part of "I love America" don't you understand, motherfucker? \_ What does exactly does he "not get," and what will the 60 Senate seats help to change about that? Reeducation camps? \_ That momentum is moving towards a Republican dictatorship, and once they get a filibuster proof Senate and 2 or 3 extremist Supreme court justices they will basically be able to do whatever the fuck they want, and the American sheeple will go along with it. \_ A small minority of us republicans are still upset that the Bush campaign smeared McCain in order to get him out of the running in 2K. iirc, Sith Lord Rove was responsible. \_ We dodged a bullet. McCain is more interested in castrating the 1st amendment than Bush is or Ashcroft ever was. And he actually succeeded. \_ You mean the interpretation of the 1st amendment which says campaign contributions == free speech which threw the door wide open to legalalized bribery/corruption? door wide open to legalalized bribery/corruption? Yeah, door wide open to legalized bribery/corruption? Yeah, that really makes a democracy flourish! \_ Did you know that any website that says anything about a political candidate falls under the requirement that you must register as if you donated to a campaign? Yeah, that restraint of free speech. You know, the amendment says "congress shall make no law". \_ So far, this is all just talk by the FCC. This is not true yet and almost assuredly will not pass judicial muster. \_ I am pro-campaign finance reform. Campaigns should not be about who can raise the most money and buy the most TV time for BS like the swift boat vets ads. They should be about IDEAS. May the best IDEA win, not the richest dude.
 2005/7/12-14 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:38585 Activity:nil Edit_by:auto 7/12 Your favorite O'Reilly books online, for free. This includes big titles on Java, Perl, networking, UNIX, Oracle, Linux, and Samba. http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly and here www.hackemate.com.ar/textos/O'reilly%20-%20Complete%20Bookshelf \_ With all the political trolling that's been going on around here, at first I thought this was about Bill O'Reilley. \_ keywords: book learning perl mysql postgres Oreley keywords: OReilly Reilly OReiley Reiley OReilley Reilly Orelly Orelley
 2005/7/12 [Politics/Domestic/President, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:38586 Activity:nil 76%like:38588 7/12 Another DeLay ally indicted: http://csua.org/u/cp3 (WashPo) Republicans. You just can't trust them.
 2005/7/12-14 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:38587 Activity:kinda low 7/12 Free lecture on gravity waves tomorrow night at stanford: http://continuingstudies.stanford.edu/course/EVT96.asp \- that GGS fellow is giving a talk on friday in SF. ok tnx. \_ url/time-location please \_ This guy is a Laser guy. Why is he having a talk on gravitationa \- i dont have a url. sponsored by the long now people. probably in NW quadrant of SF ... presideo or ft mason. \_ This guy is a Laser guy. Why is he having a talk on gravitational waves? What is nonlinear optics BTW? \_ Laser interferometry is an extremely sensitive detector of distance, including over long distances, which makes them useful for detecting gravity waves (since they should manifest themselves as distance fluctuations.) As a laser guy, he's presumably involved at the detector end of things, and gravity waves make a much sexier topic for a talk like this than nonlinear optics (see below). \- narrowly, NLO is the study of the behavior of em radiation in "non linear" media ... which turns out to capture most complex optical phenomena. in practice, this is a pretty big catch all convering everyhting from lasers to lcds to "slowing light" and various other photonic manipulation projects. there are many applied subfields, including the obvious [like optical comm], but also less obvious ones [like obvious [like telecom], but also less obvious ones [like biology, but i dont know anything about that]. in terms of physical phenomena, it includes things like the raman effect and on the theroy side things like the theory of solitons. berkeley actually has some quite important people in this field [CHU, SHEN, TOWNES etc]. if there are any phyiscs grad student replying, feel free to delete this. optics is the only field where i came across septuple integrals. optics text books are a good way to scare normal people. area [CHU, SHEN, TOWNES etc]. \_ It's fairly normal to see huge nested integrals in belief propagation. -- ilyas \_ Laser interferometry is the leading method for detecting gravity waves (and possibly proving string theory). NASA is currently working on a space based laser interferometry system called LISA (Laser Interferometry Space Antenna) which is supposed to be a big laser triangle in space (3 million miles each side) and will be able to detect gravity waves generated by black holes and stars. iirc, there is a current laser interferometry experiment called LIGO (Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory) that hopes to detect gravity waves from the big bang in order to show if some predictions of string theory are correct.
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