7/1 Economy's good in Republican states: http://tinyurl.com/9o829
\_ Fuck God, fuck Texas, and fuck you.
\_ How about your Buddy Jesus? Come on, you can't be mad at your
good ole Buddy Jesus? His old man is just upset because some
of the uppity kids at work won't listen to him. He'll get over
it. Hey who's yer pal? Who's your friend? Your Buddy Jesus!
\_ War profiteering is good business, too.
\_ No to mention all those homeland security dollars going
to red states with nothing for terrorists to target.
\_ Red states tend to have lower taxes and lower costs of living.
I'd be better off working in Texas with a 10% pay cut than in
Cali.
\_ That's because California living costs have lost all touch with
reality. You could take a 10% pay cut and have a higher standard
of living by moving to any other blue state as well (excluding
New York City, but there you salary would go way up anyway.)
\_ Not sure about that. Places like Massachusetts,
Maryland, Connecticut, and Hawaii are very expensive.
Pretty much anywhere with a big city that isn't in
The South. I was in Denver on business and was surprised
to see houses are costing $500K there, too, and they
make less $$$. You might get more for your money there, but
California seems like a bargain given all the other
advantages of living here.
\_ And what are all these advantages you speak of?
\_ Weather, people, geography, culture (museums,
shows, etc.), educational institutions, restaurants,
and so on. You can get almost anything you want here
locally. This is true in, say, NYC, but not in
most places. A place like Phoenix or Idaho is cheap,
but totally blows.
\_ But then you'd have to hang out with all those damn Texans...
\_ Who are *far* nicer on average than the people in the SF area.
\_ http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4127&n=3
\_ Ugh, I hate LA so much. You couldn't pay me to
settle down here. People and culture indeed. -- ilyas
\_ Seconded. If I could take a job in a decent place
for salary X or in LA for salary 2X, I'd take the
X.
\_ You are experiencing the idiocy that is
Westwood/Santa Monica. Lots of people went to
Berkeley and thus think the Bay Area is a
shithole, too, based on Berkeley, Oakland,
San Jose and limited experiences in SF.
\_ Third that. I lived in LA and orange county.
\_ LACMA, The Huntington, The Guggenheim, The Getty,
MOCA, The Norton Simon...
Have you ever left campus?
\_ Have you been to the greater LA area? It's full
of diversity nowadays, Little Taipei, Little
Saigon, Little Bombai, not to mention Japantown,
Koreatown, etc. Also, there's quite a bit of
counter-culture as well. Maybe not as much as
Berkeley, but it's not lacking. LA's main prob.,
imo, is the lack of a real "city-climate." That's
something that SF & NY have in spades. LA is
too "sprawling," with cultural pockets spread
between vast wastelands of suburbia.
\_ SF is a tiny city that feels big. LA is a massive
city that feels small. This is because LA has no
real center. I sometimes take out-of-town guests
around and they say 'Is that downtown?' when we
pass Glendale, Century City, Universal City, Westwood,
and so on. Each of those enclaves is a city unto
itself by the standards of most Americans.
\_ SF is a tiny city that feels big. LA is a
massive city that feels small. This is because
LA has no real center. I sometimes take
out-of-town guests around and they say 'Is
that downtown?' when we pass Glendale, Century
City, Universal City, Westwood, and so on.
Each of those enclaves is a city unto itself
by the standards of most Americans.
\_ agreed. There's downtown. But there's not
much there worth seeing. Nothing else is
really centered around it, either.
\_ Downtown has Chinatown and Little
Tokyo. There's also Exposition Park
and MOCA. The Jewelry District often
appeals to women. The Biltmore is
pretty historic and there are some good
restaurants.
\_ Sure, but none of these is high on the
list of things people want to see:
For general interest, Monterey Park,
San Gabriel, etc. >> Chinatown; Rodeo,
Melrose >> Jewelry District; Getty,
LACMA, Huntington >> MOCA. I'm
speaking in general terms, obviously,
as all the places you mention have
great qualities that make them worth
visiting. Just most of them get
out-shone by other things elsewhere
in the greater LA area, which is the
general trend I was pointing out. cf.
what's avail. near SF or NY downtown.
\_ Northern Californians like to rag on LA, but
LA is a lot closer to SF/NY than it is to, well,
just about every other city in the country.
Certainly by any cultural measure it's in the
top 5 even if you're being hard on it; it's
ahead of the Bay Area in theater and visual
arts. -tom
\_ Given the huge density of actors, writers,
and almost every other Hollywood-related
profession in the Los Angeles area, it isn't
exactly a surprise that LA is ahead in theater.
The visual arts is likely because there are so
many more affordable places to rent gallery
space.
\_ It's not a surprise, but it's a reality.
It's cheap to rent gallery space in Des
Moines but that hasn't made Iowa a
cultural powerhouse. -tom
\_ There may also be some synergy betw. acting
and other creative arts.
\_ Of course there is. Also, a lot goes
into making a film other than acting.
Set design, storyboard artists, and
others have lots of artistic talent.
\_ The creative arts seems to be flourishing
in LA much better than in the Bay Area,
except for the acapella scene. But I think
the reason for that is that in LA, anyone
with enough talent to do good acapella
can actually work in the music industry and
actually get paid.
\_ Speaking as a huge fan of The Bobs,
the rest of the "a capella scene" can
bite me. Most a capella groups are
basically karaoke with better singers,
and singers are a dime a dozen.
-tom
\_ Out of curiousity, I wonder if you've
come across my friends, Clockwork.
they opened for the Bob's last F&S
show (iirc). Nearly all original
charts, some original songs, and I
think they're pretty damn tight.
--scotsman
\_ Haven't heard them, no; I was
out of town for the last Bobs
show. -tom
\_ Ignoring CoL for the moment, wouldn't be you better off with that
10% cut somewhere w/ higher taxes? Then you'd drop into a lower
tax bracket, pay (proportionally) less in taxes than you would
in the low-tax region, and thus have lost less than 10%.
\_ Unless you run into AMT territory because of the higher state
tax deduction, and end up getting screwed twice
\_ Having lived in DC and LA, I would have to agree that
traffic in DC is indeed worse than LA.
\_ Regardless of the posts above, LA traffic sucks. If you have to go
through 405 or other parts of LA that you must go through, you'll
be happy to move at 5MPH. Want to go to LACMA or Getty or whatever
you think is cool? Try to get there first. You may have to leave
2-3 hours in advance.
\_ what about taking the rtd a.k.a. mta... or metro ???
j/k..
being a minority (asian), being in l.a. or the bay area is so
much better than most places... i heard that in the south,
minorities get ignored (as if the minority was non-human)
in stores and shops..
\_ Having lived in DC and LA, I would have to agree that
traffic in DC is indeed worse than LA.
\_ Sure, LA traffic sucks. Got any other newsflashes? Traffic
in every big city sucks. I think LA's freeway system is
better than most. I shudder to think what many other large
cities will be like when they reach 13 million people. LA is
designed around the automobile unlike, say, DC.
\_ Having lived in DC and LA, I would have to agree that
traffic in DC is indeed worse than LA.
\_ this reminds me of a stat I heard once. Some people complain
that LA is just one big network of freeways. However, if
you calculate miles of freeway lanes per resident, LA ranks
45th in the nation or something.
\_ Cruisin' down the street(s) in my 6-fo'
Jackin' the bitches, slappin' the ho's
Went to the park to get the scoop
Knuckle-heads out there cold shootin' some hoo's
A car pulls up, who can it be?
A fresh elkomino rolly Kilo G
He rolls down his window and he started to say
It's all about makin' that GT A
Cuz the boyz in de hood are alwayz hard
You come talkin' that trash we'll bull your car
Knowin' nothin' in life but to be legit'
Don't quote me boy, cuz I ain't sayin' shit ... |
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